Can we all agree that this is a 10/10 masterpiece?
Yes
no, it's the worst of Mann's post-2000 films
it would be 9/10 if it ended directly after when Max crashes the cab
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W85mbsD_5_U
Based Cruise accidentally tripped over this chair during filmed but stayed in character
>>71970872
L.A. at night has scarcely looked better in a movie. Crazy considering that digital filmmaking was basically unknown territory to Mann while he was shooting.
Also,the entire first half you assume Mark Ruffalo is going to save the day, then he dies the minute he shows up to help.I love that shit.
>>71970891
I'm glad you don't write movies.
eh plot and character development could have been better but it's an excellent action film
>>71971007
the last 20 minutes are an incredible letdown. i'm not saying the film should have just cut to black on the crash. i guess what i mean is that it should not have ended with a conventional chase sequence/race to save the girl.
If the chase sequence had ended with Vincent killing Max and Annie, it would be GOAT. Maybe don't even show it, just a shot of the train rolling by and you see flashes and shots coming from inside or something
I should write movies I'm really good at this.
>>71970969
Yeah he really managed to show the clean parts but it still felt like it had weight and verisimilitude. Some weak writing for Foxx's character IMHO but still a well made movie. Creates a certain atmosphere that Mann was unable to do in his other recent flops.
>>71970891
>I'm a pleb who only cares about the last 10% of a movie as if it's a real event
>>71971312
it's still a solid 7/10, but the last 20 minutes drag it down immensely.
yo homie
For the plebians who didn't understand the ending, Vincent loses the final gunfire exchange because he has been using the mozambique drill (two to the chest one in the head) shot placement technique throughout the movie but when he uses it here the metal center of the door takes it, meanwhile Max is firing wildly so some of his bullets go through the windows.
This is to show that if you are autistic like Vincent rigidly sticking to your rituals can be bad for you and you should try to overcome your autism.
>>71970872
10/10? Give me a fucking break. Watch more films, kiddo.
>>71971419
yeah, i get that. that scene on the subway is great. unfortunately, there's 20 minutes of boring, Hollywood-standard chase in between it and the car crash.
>>71971353
I agree to disagree. Throughout the movie, Vincent can't stop stressing how important it is for him to "keep his cool" and "control every situation" but once he loses both of those things, he goes full operator.
Thematically, it makes sense, even if Vincent's personality disappears among the chase.
I figured that was the whole point of the climax - Vincent's professional nature slips away while Max grows a pair and steps up. They meet in the middle, both contextually and in the subway train.
A pack of wolves, one running while the other slowly walking behind: later representing Max running to save the women.
Now that's Symbolism
>>71971673
Was meant to say Coyote
>>71970872
Terrible 3rd act. 7/10 at best.
>>71971713
>big-budget Hollywood movie
>stars Tom Cruise, the most recognizable A-list celebrity on the planet
>has a traditional happy ending
Were you really that shocked?
That said, the whole movie could've been Vincent talking shop with the jazz musician and I would've been cool with that.
The last act really drags it down. I hate that cat and mouse game.
>>71970944
Is there anything this man can't do?
>>71971793
>that brief look of regret on Tom's face when hekills the jazz player, a man he learned to respect in a tiny time frame, possibly the last living link to Miles Davis
That one shot of Tom's reaction to that says more about his character than any of his speeches in the rest of the movie.
>>71970918
what's the song?
>>71972358
"Ready, Steady Go (Koreatown Remix)" by Paul Oakenfold. At least that's what it says on the back of the CD case.
>>71972358
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0EeuN-g0Rg
>>71972418
It was also used in the Bourne Identity
>>71972358
It's a slight variation on the original, the only major differences are the words are in Korea and it gets to the hook faster.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAHxAD6X-Ng
>>71971573
This is a good post, well done anon.
>>71970891
Nope. What should have happened was that Max got killed. The last shot though is fantastic - Cruise hunched over, motionless.
Of course we can't. We can't agree on anything, fuckface.
>>71972823
Hey, he's got a decent face, meanie.
>>71972806
>"Guy dies on the subway. His body sitting there for SIX hours before anyone notices, riding from one end of the line to the next, back and forth, over and over... Max, you think anyone will notice me?"
I wasn't expecting feels but damn, you finally realize just how lonely Vincent felt in that moment.
>>71970872
>movies that tv likes that are actually kind of shit
>>71972894
Exactly. It's been a while since I've seen it, but that last shot really got me.
What did PTA say? "you don't remember what happens in a movie, just how it made you feel". That's true with film and people. Collateral's ending got me hard.
>>71970872
pure garbage
blackhat was way better.
>>71970944
>Tom intentionally tripped over the chair to showcase Vincent losing his cool which ultimately lead to his demise
Fucking Mann at his best.
>>71973006
>typing intensifies
20+ years of movies about hackers, and they still can't make it look interesting without having the camera zoom around microchips and wires at double-speed.
I will say the main girl they got was nice to look at, but that's about it.
>>71972806
>Max should have got killed
lol no, that entirely misses the point
For all his talk about adaptation and evolution, Vincent is so set in his "two to the chest one to the head" shooting pattern that he does it on the subway when the door's frame is in the way, which takes the bullets, while Max's erratic and untrained shots are able to hit Vincent
Saying that Max should have lost that shootout is to miss the fucking point
>>71973070
Forget your autstic ideas about the way Cruise shoots. Max should have saved the girl and then been killed by Cruise.
No, it is pretty bad like every Mann film.
>>71973006
Has the director's cut of that one released yet?
>>71971419
Everyone fucking understands it. Fucking Mannchilds I swear
>>71970944
That was even better, showed more credibility.
god i fucking love this movie, nothing compares to the feeling it gives
mann is a legend
Tom Cruise doesn't do bad movies.
>>71973287
Even his misfires have moments.Cocktail is fucking great, I don't care what anyone says. It's basically partying with Tom Cruise for 90 minutes. Comfy as hell.
>>71971419
>>71973070
End yourself.
>Those looks on Max's face when it appears his questioning his life
>>71971046
>plot and character development could have been better
What's wrong with it? I think both leads were very developed and I thought the plot was original and unpredictable.
>>71970872
It's definitely a 7, maybe an 8
Watched it for the first time just hours ago.
It's pretty good. I liked that the cop got his shit fucked up. I didn't care at all for the lawyer chick or Jamie Foxx as an actor so the last bit of the movie fell flat.
7.5/10 for me
>>71970872
Sicario is better desu.
>>71974702
>it's a I saw one film that isn't run-off-the-mill blockbuster shit or capeshit and i think it's the best thing in the world and now i'm a film enthusiast episode
>>71974781
It would have been pretty good point but the fact that you are frogposter undermines everything you said.
>>71970872
Definitely !!! Tom Cruise is John Wayne of our time, & is better than big duke already.
>>71974905
well that was meant to be a wojak post so my statement still stands
>>71971245
Why'd the guy on the right struggle so much with his gun?
>>71975135
Because normal people don't practice killing other people like Tom cruise does. Because he was panicking. Because he's never been in a fight where he might be killed before. Pick as many of these as you like
>>71975540
I'll pick "because the director couldn't think of a better reason for him to not kill cruise on the spot"
>>71975582
How fast can you draw your gun, aim and fire while you are watching your friend die? You probably think you can shoot an aggressor in the knee too
Why am I even replying to bait
>>71975135
he was surprised, he thought the cuck in the suit was harmless
>>71970872
Unfortunately Jamie Fox was in it and survived, so no.
>>71975623
Adrenaline rush m8
He already had his hand on his gun too
Unless he was holding his dick in the first shot?
There's no good reason he couldn't have killed Cruise then and there
I'm not even calling this movie bad. I haven't seen it. But it has a flaw; is that really so hard to accept?
>>71974702
What? They're not comparable at all.
>>71970872
I really like the movie but the climax just feels really out of place.
>>71970872
9/10 because of the ending
>>71975681
I think he's saying that because Sicario has one scene where someone's being operator.
>>71975678
You're the kind of person who thinks they can shoot the weapon out of someone's hand aren't you?
>>71975678
Adrenaline doesn't turn you into a focused emotionless killing machine. In fact shaking hands is a common symptom.
I can accept that this is a flawed movie, but the fact that random goon #2 can't draw his gun in time is not a flaw.
>>71975782
I didn't even motion why a likley experienced mugger would be dumb enough to get within arm's reach of a victim while he has a gun
Even if he didn't turn out to be a trained killer there had to have been some gung-ho asshole that tried to slap it out of his hand
>>71975678
>Adrenaline rush m8
Thats how you miss anon. Especially if you lack any kind of weapons training.
>>71971069
Its not conventional at all. LA in the last chase sequence has a dreamlike emptyness to it. In a city that before that point wss buzzing with crime corruption and degenercy now it only serves as lifeless expanse for the final showdown between these two characters and their ideologies. Vincent takes on an almost supernatural persona like a looming spirit or angel of death always a few steps behind jamie foxes character and he foesnt stop until the life is literally drained out of him
Wtf was stereotypical about that
Black power fantasies are only 10/10 among the marginalized.
>>71975678
you are a kid who likes to play a lot of FPS games.
that doesn't make you a weapons expert.
>>71975858
The guy's a junkie who thinks he's a badass for stealing the wallet of a guy tied to his stearing wheel
>>71970944
the best fucking scene
>>71975864
>>71975832
I only pointed it out because of the akward little dance the actor did during that moment
You could tell he could pull it out if he wanted but knew that the script called for him to die
They just could've staged it better imo, it's a cool little moment but it's logically flawed
Maybe not have the guy have a gun at all?
>>71975623
look at him wriggle at least two extra times with his hand on the gun than necessary
you're defending bad choreography, you cuck
>>71974702
Training Day was better desu
>>71975881
>Wtf was stereotypical about that
That it devolves into a shoot out when most of the movie was a pretty subdued dialogue heavy atmosphere piece.
>>71975918
A junkie would be nervous as shit, probably wouldn't let him within ten feet of him. Hell, paranoia might actually make him come to the conclusion that Cruise is probably a trained killer.
>>71974781
> he doesn't remember collateral made a boatload of monies
>>71975910
The only fps game I play is tf2
And watching a lot of action movies doesn't make you a weapons expert just so you know
>>71975952
Oh come on now
>>71971673
The music in this scene was really out of place.
>>71975946
Yeah but like the other post says its not done like a run of the mill chase scene.
>>71975858
Lol, it's almost as if he's just some regular guy who has never come face to face with anyone like Vincent before
>>71975926
You're absolutely right, if he was standing alone in a field in the middle of the day, after a good night's sleep, then he'd have no trouble pulling his gun out and shooting it
>>71975929
No u
>>71975982
Recognising that you might not be able to do something when you are under pressure is hardly claiming to be a weapons expert.
>>71970872
>masterpiece
>starring tom cruise
i don't have to watch it to know it's not.
Mann is bad, but what would /v/ermin know about it.
>haha le epin manly man operator shooty rooty point and epic for the win.
Every thread
>>71976064
>he doesn't like Tom Cruise
>>71976001
>almost as if he's just some regular guy
Given the confidnce he has, no, he's been at this a while. An again, he might not have run into any trained killers before, but he must've run into someone willing to try and knock the gun out his hand, holding it that close to his victims.
>>71976036
And recognizing that you could probably do something easily even when under pressure isn't either
The guy has a good few seconds there, and already had his hand on his gun. He could've at least capped crusise in the knee.
>>71975623
I said it here, and then, and I can hardly believe it, you actually said this
>>71976107
>he could have at least capped cruise in the knee
You absolute madman
Thank you for proving your idiocy beyond a shadow of a doubt. Please fire a gun at least once, and get into a fight once or twice before you post about this sort of thing again.
>>71975993
>SHADOW ON THE SUUUUUN
>>71975881
>Wtf was stereotypical about that
Bad guy turns into a moron and good guy turns into Jason Bourne. Just to save some bitch he doesn't even know.
The club scene was also laughable.
>>71976214
>what is point-blank range
He could've shot Cruise with his eyes closed. Maybe not to kill on the first shot, but enough time to make cruise stumble and fire another few.
>>71975992
Let autistic dogs lie.
6/10
i never realised how much ass mark ruffallo sucks until i watched this a few weeks ago.
>>71976311
You've already revealed your lack of experience with physical confrontation, feel free to continue trying to save face.
For what purpose? One might ask, I don't know why you would, we're all anonymous, the only person you have to front up to is yourself. I'm going to bed.
Yeah it would have been a 10/10 if not for the weird Mark Ruffalo side plot that went nowhere.
>>71976416
It's a poorly-blocked scene. The only way to justify it is that Cruise's character got incredibly lucky. That's the bottom line.
>still no .webms with audio allowed on /tv/
Why?
>>71976447
I should've been a movie with two characters. No detective, no girl, just two men in a cold, indifferent LA.
>>71976471
I'm not even the person you're arguing with, but you're a fucking moron. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. People don't move coordinately when adrenaline is high at least not without extensive training. The body literally deadens the senses and finer motor control.
>>71970872
Its quite good, among Mann's best, but not a 10/10.
>>71971245
>no bullet holes
>>71972358
Chunky Tuna Go by PSY
>>71975999
Having some marginal subtext doesn't fix the weird shift the final scenes take.
As elevated as the rest of the movie is the ending misses a beat and feels very much like some suit said "but we have to let jamie fox have an action scene."
In an otherwise flawless movie it stands out as the weakest part.
>>71975135
>>71978386
Bunch of cucks. This scene perfectly shows Vincent's power and composure in just a few seconds, it's just about flawless.
>>71976492
Jada worked fine though. Shes completely absent for most of the movie and helps define Foxx's character
>>71974702
Why the hell even bring that up really? Kind of doesn't make sense.
Sicario .. more like shitcario...
>>71974993
Yeah because every time I see Tom Cruise I totally think about John Wayne.
