http://www.thewrap.com/die-hard-john-mctiernan-mad-max-comic-book-movies/
>John McTiernan, director of the hugely successful ’80s action movie “Die Hard,” is disappointed in Hollywood’s recent output — specifically “Mad Max: Fury Road” and the “Captain America” films. “There is action but not of human beings. These are films made by fascists,” McTiernan told French movie magazine Premiere.
>When asked specifically about last year’s “Fury Road,” which won six out of the 10 Academy Awards for which it was nominated, the director said “Pffff … corporate product.” McTiernan went on to grouse that movies are no longer the exemplars they used to be, recalling that children once learned adults by seeing them admirably portrayed on screen.
>“A kid could learn how a man or woman should behave by watching movies,” McTiernan said. “Comic book heroes are for businesses.” The reasoning behind the action filmmaker’s distaste for most movies appears largely political.
>“I can’t really watch them. I’m pissed off the second they start,” said McTiernan. “The cult of American hyper-masculinity is one of the worst things that has happened in the world during the last 50 years. Hundreds of thousands of people died because of this stupid illusion. So how is it possible to watch a movie called Captain America?”
Its a fucking movie.
Why are some people incapable of removing the stick up their arse.
>>71945502
>director of Predator ripping on "the cult of American hyper-masculinity"
He hasn't been relevant for twenty years
>>71945502
He should shut his stupid fucking mouth
>“A kid could learn how a man or woman should behave by watching movies,”
How are Max or Cap any worse a role model than John McClane? He's talking out of his ass.
he says that like it's a bad thing.
Fury Road was a good movie and I'd rather watch that than anything McTiernan has done.
MARVEL KEKS BTFO!
>>71945624
He's been blacklisted for years, it goes all the way back to the Pellicano wiretapping scandal. The retard lied under oath and went to prison.
ITT: Marvelcucks talk shit about the director Die Hard and Predator
The later movies forgot that Die Hard was supposed to be a deconstruction of the macho action hero by putting a fallible everyman hero in the role.
>>71945561
When you've made movies like predator or die hard you've done enough for your opinion to remain relevant forever.
>>71945502
>hasn't made anything since 2003
he should really shut the fuck up, dude isn't even relevant
capeshitters confirmed fascists who need to be eradicated
>>71946291
keep forgetting he also did hunt for red october
fucking genius
>make awesome testosterone fulled movies
> now bitches about testosterone fulles movie
What have they done to you. You became a side character you used to mock back in the day.
McTiernan hasn't made a movie in 13 years and hasn't made a good movie in 26 years
>>71945805
Predator is garbage
wtf I hate Mad Max now
>>71946336
you're seeing it through rose-tinted glasses, it's not good and strictly reserved for weekday afternoons on TNT
>>71946427
err no i saw it a couple of weeks ago and it's by far the best clancy adaptation as well as based poledouris' second best OST and arguably, baldwins and neills finest performances.
>>71946291
I have a soft spot for The 13th Warrior even though it's objectively mediocre.
>>71946291
Rollerball (2002)
>>71945502
When did he got out of jail?
>>71945502
What a fucking faggot. Literally nothing wrong with fascism
>>71945502
You'd think he'd focus on how garbage the Die Hard sequels became.
>John Mcclain now can destroy a military helicopter using a car
>>71945502
Predator and Die Hard are both so much better than any of the comic book movies and Mad Max movies as well (even the good ones).
It's sad that he's lost his touch.
>The cult of American hyper-masculinity is one of the worst things that has happened in the world
So you can become a numale at any age
>>71945502
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNQZF0KF-zw
>>71947209
lol this is how i imagine all anti-American shitposters. Just bitter losers
>>71945502
this guy is a retarded faggot, Mad Max was a fucking unique sequel/reboot UNLIKE Star Wars 7 The Jew Awakens which was and felt like a corporate product.
>"Nerd culture is the product of a late capitalist conspiracy, designed to infantalize the consumer as a means of non-aggressive control."
- Simon Pegg
>"A sweet-faced boy of twelve told me proudly that he had seen Star Wars over a hundred times? I said, 'do you think you could promise never to see Star Wars again?' He burst into tears. I just hope the lad, now in his thirties, is not living in a fantasy world of secondhand, childish banalities"
- Alec Guinness
>"I don't think they are making [comic book movies] an elevated art form, I think it's still just Batman running around in a stupid cape.. It's for kids, it's adolescent in its core. "
- David Cronenberg
>"I don't want to see or make films about super heroes that fly around in spandex and a cape solving the problems of the world. I think it's fine for children, children of all ages by the way, but it's not for me."
- William Friedkin
>“They have been poison, this cultural genocide, Because the audience is so overexposed to plot and explosions and shit that doesn’t mean nothing about the experience of being human.”
- Alejandro Iñárritu
>"Superman makes me vomit, Batman and all of that. That whole empire... this religion... It is so important that superheroes suffer... I don't give a damn, I shit on the United States."
- Alejandro Jodorowsky
>"To my mind, this embracing of what were unambiguously children's characters at their mid-20th century inception seems to indicate a retreat from the admittedly overwhelming complexities of modern existence"
- Alan Moore
>"It’s produced by humans who can’t stand looking at other humans. And that’s why the industry is full of otaku!"
- Hayao Miyazaki
>"The movies are for children but they don't want to admit that... There is a small group of fans that do not like comic sidekicks. They want the films to be tough like The Terminator, and they get very upset and opinionated about anything that has anything to do with being childlike."
- George Lucas
>>71945502
Something that annoys me whenever a lot actors or directors come out against comic book movies is they make it out to be some kind of artistic travesty, like it's destroying society. No one ever just says they're shitty movies it's always a toxic culture or it's undermining the art form. People have been following trends and making cash grabs since the start they might have gotten more repetitive now but it's not something new.
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>>71946427
>muh, stop not liking what I like
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>>71947113
yup
>Mad Max was a fucking unique sequel/reboot
>unique
>sequel/reboot
oh, anon! You make me laff.
>>71947365
some wisdom here, some lame politicizing
>>71945502
>Hundreds of thousands of people died because of this stupid illusion.
ummm, what? what exactly is he referring to here?
>new mad max: feminist propaganda 101
>somehow fascist
lmao
>“The cult of American hyper-masculinity is one of the worst things that has happened in the world during the last 50 years.
Says the director of Die Hard and Predator lmao
>>71947365
You post this everytime and everytime I'm reminded how much none of these people matter and all if their opinions are shit.
I need McTiernan and Verhoeven to start making action films again.
>>71945502
He's seriously criticizing Hollywood movies for being TOO RIGHT-WING? Holy shit what a megafaggot.
Agree with the sentiment but Fury Road wasfun
>>71947717
Won't happen in today's climate.
>>71947365
>Alec Guinness
Just salty that he's barely a cameo in the only GOOD Star Wars film.
>>71945502
I smell envy. Who can call Die Hard a well made action movie after seeing Fury Road. All filmmakers that relied on explosions see their legacy tarnished by better special effects, while real classics who didn't rely on technology prevailed.
I saw him in France last week he has not actually seen fury road, and his criticism of super hero movie was more about the fact that for him those movies were only about the technology used to make them.
>>71947365
>Simon Pegg makes his living solely off of nerd culture
>Alec Guinness was a jaded old shit by that point that was pissy that none of his thespian bullshit he did was as popular as Star Wars
>Inarritu bitching that superhero movies are shallow and trying to be something more than they are despite making The Revenant; a shallow action movie trying to be much more than it is
>Alan Moore is being an edgy faggot shitting on his consumer base when he fucking wrote comics that centred on adult themes or outright pornography
>Friedkin, Miyazaki, and Lucas are the only ones reasonable here and they're not talking about the media itself but rather the extreme fandoms that take that shit too seriously
So now can you stop posting this pasta?
>Hundreds of thousands of people died because of this stupid illusion.
It's actually more. The USA have killed more than 20'000'0000 civilians with their military operations in the last 60 years.
>>71945502
>The cult of American hyper-masculinity
not that I disagree with him, but this is the guy who directed Predator
Probably hasn't seen anything he mentioned.
Surely Captain America is an exemplary example for kids.
Oh he just hates nationalism. Who'da thought.
>>71948144
yeah dude, all military operations are because of hypermasculinity
>>71945502
>“Comic book heroes are for businesses.”
What a fucking moron.
>>71945502
>“The cult of American hyper-masculinity is one of the worst things that has happened in the world during the last 50 years. Hundreds of thousands of people died because of this stupid illusion. So how is it possible to watch a movie called Captain America?”
He went full-commietard, Noam Chomsky tier cringe
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>>71947773
But now Verhoeven is into rape movies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp3vr098WqY
>>71948520
this looks fucking awful
really fucking awful
>>71948026
Salty because he was in such films as Lawrence of Arabia and Doctor Zhivago yet he's most remembered most for a fun flick
>>71948118
>Alec Guinness was a jaded old shit by that point that was pissy that none of his thespian bullshit he did was as popular as Star Wars
Reddit is that way, you mouth breathing shit stain
>>71945502
I adore Die Hard and Predator but Fury Road and Winter Soldier ware some of the best action movies that came out recently. What did they do to you in prison John?
>>71948578
>100% fresh in RT
>Average Rating: 9.2/10
>86 in Metascore
>>71948669
Brother, you need some good action movies in your life if you think furry road and winter bucky are some of the best we've had recently.
Actually, come to think of it, action movies these days suck! There aren't any good ones anymore. All that comes to mind are Guardians of the Galaxy, Deadpool, and those are capeshit too! Plus bait for idiots...
>>71949054
Thanks for the opinion.
He's right about Captain America. Not sure why the mediocre Winter Soldier is so revered and the first one was god awful.
Isn't Die Hard a hyper-masculine movie?
What?
>>71947720
People living through social media and being constantly connected and focused on screens is a new form of fascism.
>>71946268
>When you've made movies like predator or die hard you've done enough for your opinion to remain relevant forever.
Except when you've clearly had a stroke
Everything he said incoherent or pot calling the kettle black.
>>71947365
>look up to see if that Lucas quote is real
>it is
>find Reddit thread defending that adults can like the SW movies, regardless of they're for kids
I really hate how popular and overblown it became.
>>71947365
"Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence."
—CS. Lewis
>>71947690
This.
The guy made some good movies. But ones a hurrah murrica action film and the other is a man vs alien film. These are loved by action hounds and dudebros
>>71949504
What would he say about the people who refuse to partake in any media they see as being too "mature?"
>>71947365
Daily reminder this is 100% correct and if you disagree you're just mad at being called out as a tasteless baby
>>71949209
Seriously - how does pred and dh compare to wsoldier and fury? Are they better or worse? Which would you prefer to watch: the old flicks or the new ones? Why? What makes a better action film?
>>71947365
>"I don't think they are making [comic book movies] an elevated art form, I think it's still just Batman running around in a stupid cape.. It's for kids, it's adolescent in its core. "
>"I don't want to see or make films about super heroes that fly around in spandex and a cape solving the problems of the world. I think it's fine for children, children of all ages by the way, but it's not for me."
>“They have been poison, this cultural genocide, Because the audience is so overexposed to plot and explosions and shit that doesn’t mean nothing about the experience of being human.”
>"To my mind, this embracing of what were unambiguously children's characters at their mid-20th century inception seems to indicate a retreat from the admittedly overwhelming complexities of modern existence"
>"It’s produced by humans who can’t stand looking at other humans. And that’s why the industry is full of otaku!"
These are all right though. Superhero movies are for kids or the kid in you. And there's very little attention paid to humanity in modern action movies.
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>>71947690
Not even close. There is a significant difference in philosophy behind super hero films and human action films, even if the action defies human limits
Read more into Jodorowskys comments to get a better explanation
He's wrong about Fury Road though. I doubt he even saw it
>>71949054
Fury Road is superb.
But there's lots of great shit. John Wick and the Raid movies come to mind.
>>71949549
depends on what you mean by too mature. do you mean people who are uncomfortable watching media with violence and nudity, or do you mean autists who only watch pony cartoons?
Bet he's only mad because Fury Road didn't have a evil german in it.
Bill Burr has announced his interest for running as a Police comissioner.
>>71945502
Don't get me wrong, I love Predator and Die Hard, but this guy's considered a loon for a reason. He virtually invented the hyper-masculine style. Also, he bitches about learning behavior, yet his movie had the line "slack jawed faggots" in it, along with the heroes slaughtering countless people.
Along with that, he CREATED the corporate action model. That was his contribution to Hollywood. This is the same thing as when that moron Mark "I wrote Civil War, Red Son, and Ultimates" Millar complained about superheroes fighting eachother.
>>71949650
Mike Stoklasa types who think films aimed at people his age are too dry and pretentious and prefers media for young and late teens or even children.
His point is kinda short sighted but hes right that Marvel shit is just cynical for-profit parafernalia.
>>71947461
Because if it was no big deal, then anyone's opinion about it, especially their own, would not be important and not be worth listening to
The human race would explode in quality if we would stop overvaluing our own opinion
>>71949644
your post has absolutely nothing to do with the people you linked to. you are talking about super hero movies and action films, but those posts were talking about a man who is famous for hyper masculine action movies complaining about hyper masculine action movies
>>71949461
That's just GL bitching about the JarJar hate. JarJar is a shit character that makes five year olds cringe - gl doesn't get that. gl thinks kids want to be kids, when kids are in fact always looking up, always looking to grow (they don't know this consciously, of course, but playing = learning = growing) gl is pretty pants-on-head retarded when it comes to human beings and reality.
tl;dr george lucas is the autismo king
>>71946291
>The Last Action Hero
Son of a bitch I fucking loved that movie.
How did this guy go from riding atop Arnie's shoulders to making crazy old man complaints?
>>71949705
give examples. are you sure he simply just doesnt like pretentious garbage that tries to be "deep"?
>>71947365
Alejandro Jodorowsky definitely posts on /tv/
>>71945502
>Fury Road
>corporate product
Is he retarded? Does he even know anything about that movie?
Also this >>71949504
>>71945502
>Die Hard director
>mad about Super Hero flicks
they are the same thing. What a fucking moron.
>>71945611
>Max: Survivalist who has a small piece of heart left in him, remaining from the times he has failed others. He was once an officer who fought for peace, and still has a glimmer of it inside of him.
>Captain America: An honest man who fights for the sole purpose of fighting for people who can't fight themselves. He is but a man, but has shown so much integrity and effort that even the likes of gods and monsters listen to him. Treats violence with a reluctance, constantly attempting to to find ways to not kill unless it's unavoidable.
>Dutch and his crew: Love killing for the violence, wink and smile as they now through countless people, great people less manly like shit
>John McClane: Reluctant hero with a lot of flaws, who despite his positive role was confirmed to be a bit of a deadbeat and a jerk
I love Predator and I love DH, but let's call a spade a spade.
>>71949644
What are some examples of human action films?
Die hard has carl from family matters convicting himself for shooting a kid, and john hates himself despite being a bad ass. But everyone else in the movie is an idiot or a mustache twirler.
The last act of predator is about a man connecting with his inner hunter and sharing the concept of ultimate sportsmanship with an alien. But everything else is incredibly thin 10 little Indians movie.
>>71949674
Ol' Billy Nigwife would never do that in earnest.
>>71947709
>none of these people matter
>inaritu: 4 academy awards, 3 golden globes, 3 BAFTAS
yeah irrelevant douchebags
>>71947709
They might not in your manchild canon but they do irl and in the industry.
>>71949504
>Be a man-child and be comfortable about it
-CS. Lewis
>>71945502
He's right but Fury Road was a good film.
>>71950272
You're here, ain't ya?
>>71945561
Predator was an AIDS allegory ;^)
>>71945502
I agree with a lot of his points but I don't really follow his reasoning or understand his conclusion.
I'm really not sure what his deal is.
>>71945502
wtf i hate everything i used to love now.
>>71945502
What the fuck am I reading
>>71947365
in order, we have hypocrite, hypocrite, has-been, another has-been, yet another hypocrite, a washed up nobody, a wizard (who is also a hypocrite), a Japanese wizard, and George Lucas.
>>71949504
A very selective and misunderstood quote. CS Lewis loved the mythmaking that made fables such an effective tool for teaching children how to live a full and moral life, Lewis the Christian deeply resented materialism and had no time for the kind of consumerist pop culture shovelled into people today
>>71950070
>>inaritu: 4 academy awards, 3 golden globes, 3 BAFTAS
All awards given to him by Western, white culture that he claims to be disgusted by.
>>71945502
Wait a minute, Max and Cap were both heroic, what is his beef?
>>71950915
funny how much you use "has-been", it's better than being a never-been like yourself
>>71951089
He's just a nobody with no good movies from the past 10 years. hes mad that everyone else is making money and he's nothing.
>>71950915
>tripfag
>>71945502
>The cult of American hyper-masculinity is one of the worst things that has happened in the world during the last 50 years.
What the fuck? Is he aware that he directed Predator?
>>71949999
Die hard and predator
capecucks on suicide watch
true auteurs are always critical of amerikkka, and rightly so
>movies are no longer the exemplars they used to be, recalling that children once learned adults by seeing them admirably portrayed on screen.
Yeah, John McClane is totally portrayed admirably on screen. What the fuck is he talking about?
>>71945502
I'm just glad he's staying out of prison for the time being. When do we get a new McT movie?
>>71949734
No, he specifically criticizes the jingoism that goes with the super hero movies, and the fascism that their masculinity reinforces
Die hard and predator are masculine as fuck buy aren't fascist
>cult of American hyper-masculinity is one of the worst things that has happened in the world during the last 50 years
Holy fuck. What a faggot.
>>71951214
>John McClane is totally portrayed admirably on screen
he's a normal working class man who takes it on himself to do what is morally right in a dire situation
>>71946291
>Rollerball remake
Kek, dude should keep his mouth shut if he knows what's good for him.
>>71949956
>despite his positive role
Honestly, if the guys he was fighting were anything but eurotrash terrorists he'd look like a psycho. Dude fucking taunts them with corpses and cackles and shit. He's probably resulted in some really fucked up cops walking the streets, wanting to emulate their hero, if we're going by movies imprinting on kids.
Still love Die Hard, though.
he's right
the wrong superpower won the cold war
>>71949911
>Die Hard
>the same as capeshit
Someone's definitely a moron here.
>>71945502
Based Sokurov.
>>71947690
>He doesn't fucking understand Die Hard or Predator.
The capeshit generation.
>>71951245
right, because a US-led special forces unit entering a foreign country to save the skins of their comrades (who shouldn't have been there) isn't just a little fascist.
>>71947259
You imagine all anti-american shitposters as Jodo? Huh.
>>71949504
This quote doesn't apply to those directors at all. They are not afraid of being childish. They have simply looked at those movies and seen them as vacuous garbage that has very little to do with human experience. That's why they say they're only fit for kids. It has nothing to do with their insecurities about being grown up.
>>71945502
This guy is a convicted felon, why do we care about his opinions?
>>71951376
To be fair Dutch gets legitimately conned to do that.
>>71951327
That being said, Die Hard and Predator are both R rated, they're not targeted for a younger more impressionable audience.
Capeshit on the other hand would be rated G if it wasn't for fantasy violence and someone saying the word "damn".
>>71951376
And their hyper masculine, take no shit attitude gets shred to pieces
Arnold only wins by subverting his over confident nature
capeshit is what happens when you have a privatized education system
>>71949504
He's talking about childishness as an aesthetic; defending his own Narnia series. They are myths and fantasy stories for children that have great depth and humanity to them
Iron man does not
>>71951431
>look at this shit.jpg
>>71951410
>>71951424
Fair points. but the pretense of "fuck you, we're America, we do what we want" is just a little fascist.
Poor Dutch.
Sounds like he was at the receiving end of some hyper masculinity in prison and now can't look at the exact type of movies he made 30 years ago
>>71951424
He only won because he bullied the predator about his looks. He called him an ugly mother fucker and the predator decided he was tired of being made fun of, but he was going to take this last earth chad with him.
>>71951398
>hurr Roman Polanski raped a 13-year old now his opinions on things don't matter
kys
>>71951466
Yeah it is, but that's only the first act of the movie and they end up losing. It doesn't show that attitude triumphantly
>>71951466
>fuck you, we're America, we do what we want
That's what Dillon, and his previous Special Forces troops were doing.
Dutch is a rescue-only team leader that gets tricked by Dillon (he has still some trust on him) to go at the jungle, with the pretense that it's a rescue mission when it's a S&D type of stuff.
>>71951480
HE was always against hyper masculinity though.
>>71951398
So is your "father" Tyrone.
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>>71951393
This. I hate that qoute so much
>>71951424
>>71951376
Yep, the ending of predator is kinda sad, it closes on a face of a man who thought he was unstoppable, but got his shit so busted that he'll rethink about his life.
>>71951431
>MOTHERLAND STATUE
PANSY SOVIET FEMKUCKS
GERMAN FATHERLAND WOULDVE FUCKED HER UP IF RUSSIA DECLARED WAR AT THE HEIGHT OF THE REICH
>>71951561
>would have
didn't
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>>71951538
it's pure ptsd
>>71951538
well shit, never thought about it that way.
>>71951531
but even some of Dutch's guys reinforce the hypermasculinity and get their shit blown in, like Cooper.
mctiernan is a damn good action movie director
hopefully he gets back to making movies soon, all his court problems seem to be gone now. that's why he's been out of the game for so long.
>>71945502
funny he didnt bitch about the charred raped corpse of Die Hard franchise lol
>>71951531
>HE was always against hyper masculinity though.
I don't know, look at this scene >>71951149 late in the film after the tables have turned on these macho men. Billy makes this big stance complete with phallic knife, and it's more awe inspiring than laughable. It's impossible to watch and not think these big guys are cool in some way
If he was so against hyper masculine films why was he solely making movies about violence and clashing male egos that completely play into the audiences interest in them?
>>71951608
Yeah they do get btfo despite their trigger happy gun ho attitude, big muscles.
>>71951665
Are you legitimately retarded? He is showing you all these fucking macho men getting blown the fuck out, and he shows these stupid war rituals in a ridiculous light, ridiculing it, when Predator kills them in a blink.
You are one of those idiots that think if movie shows *X* it *SUPPORTS IT*.
Context and big picture are what is missing from that webm, and you'd know it had you watched it.
>>71951665
I think I need someone to define the HYPER part of masculinity. This was the fucking 80's, the age of shirtless, sweaty, and oiled hardbodies jumping and hugging celebratorily in slow motion and it wasn't even a little bit gay.
Billy was just standing his ground to face his fate with now fear, and the buy his friends some time. And he's an indian, so there's the whole noble savage thing going on.
>>71951717
HE SHOWS A MACHO ALIEN BLOWING OUT MACHO HUMANS
BUT ONE HUMAN OUTMACHOES HIM PROVING THAT MACHO WINS
There's nothing "hyper" or overly masculine about Captain America in the way McTiernan imagines. I doubt he's seen any of the movies. Cap is quick to question blind allegiance to authority and stand by his own set of principles even if he stands against the American government.
>>71945502
>super hero movies are for businesses
yeah but he's right though
JUST TURN YOUR BRAIN OFF XD ITS A HERO FLICK
>>71951744
Fucking Conan comic.
The intro part of Predator.
He's right. Fury Road and Civil War were overrated as fuck.
>>71945502
>“The cult of American hyper-masculinity is one of the worst things that has happened in the world during the last 50 years.
>So how is it possible to watch a movie called Captain America?”
>The West is completely emasculated
>Captain America is from the 40s
>>71951089
Cap a shit.
>>71951678
Those big muscles saved Dutch's ass numerous times. I don't know if he meant to say you need a combination of masculine strength and smarts to survive, but that's what it looks like.
>>71951055
Still has awards, so still pretty fuckin' relevant dude
>>71951134
Kill yourself tripfag.
>>71951776
Dutch doesnt outmacho the predator
He uses cheap tricks (from the macho predators pov) to beat him.
You think yelling "come kill me, walk into my trap" is macho?
Why am I explaining this to you, you're stupid.
>>71951134
Spot on, actually. This has cantankerous jealousy written all over it.
>>71951717
I'm saying there are conflicting ideas here. One is that this men are nothing compared to technology an cunning, but at the same time he presents them as very appealing male fantasy figures. The extended dramatic shots of Billy preparing his last stand is downright heroic, not critical.
>>71951216
This is all I want.
>>71951936
HE OUTMACHOES HIM WITH PURE BALLS AND A BIT OF MUD
MACHO WINS, ITS A VICTORY OF MACHO
PANSY ASS AMERICA-HATERS WOULD JUST CRAWL INTO FETAL POSITION AND GET SLAUGHTERED
>>71951648
Wasn't the last one about John's son being a US spy in Russia and getting caught up in some Russian criminal's plan to steal a Soviet gold stash hidden in a nuclear dump-site or something like that? I only really remember that it was so fucking shitty.
>>71945502
>These are films made by fascists,
Making a pretty strong case for fascism here Jack.
>>71951431
You fucking crazy Russians.
Meh, i just wish there were more masculine and violent movies like in the 80s.
>>71946291
>makes great movies and then suddenly stops
Why?
>>71952277
A decade of legal issues and prison for perjury and illegal wiretapping conspiracy
>>71952008
Keep telling yourself that, mate.
>>71950915
>Cronenberg
>has-been
Fucking pleb, he still makes good films. Although I'll admit that I doubt he'll ever make another Videodrome tier masterpiece.
>Iñárritu
>hypocrite
How is he a hypocrite? He has never made a superhero movie.
>>71952079
Fun fact: disney is fascist.
>>71952362
>MACHO IS BAD
KEEP BEING A TRALA FOOFOO FAGGOT
>>71952396
BIRDMAN HAS CGI CAPESUITERY
>>71952362
Just ignore him
>>71952421
Birdman is a dramedy that shits all over capeshit.
>>71951959
This.
>>71952459
IT DOESN'T REALLY
THE HEAVIEST SHITTING IN BIRDMAN IS ON THE CRITICS
>>71945502
I agree with him about capeshit, but disagree with Mad Max
>>71947365
>George Lucas
lmao. He never understood what Star Wars was.
>>71952510
>>71951959
You are tone deaf, that might be heroic act in itself but it is there to highlight the uber masculinity of these guys and how useless it is. The scene itself plays out fucking ridiculous.
>>71945502
I guess you could argue that his comments on capeshit aren't hypocritical because those films are PG-13 whereas his films have always been rated R but his comments on Mad Max: Fury Road are inexcusable. He's not wrong about it being a corporate product but all of his films are corporate products too.
>>71951959
>>71952510
Since Billy dies right away I wouldnt say it portrays it as appealing, just as what would expected of a "man".
The point to me is that there's always a bigger fish - at some point even arnold has to accept that and rely on cunning instead of force.
>>71952625
IF HIS MASCULINITY IS SO USELESS HOW DID ARNOLD OUT HUNT THE SUPREME HUNTER
CHECK MATE LIMP WRIST
PREDATOR IS PURE MACHO
GO WATCH YOUR ALL FEMALE GHOSTBUSTERS
>>71951398
He's basically a martyr for civil rights you retarded faggot
>>71952695
He literally baits the Predator to trap. No guns, no muscles. Brains.
Are you this stupid?
How is that Sicario worshipping going for you, same fucking pleb posting I seee.
>>71949999
Carlito's Way
>>71952633
I don't get it either. Everything that makes his films so appealing (clear and exciting action, memorable side characters, good tonal balance between serious and comedic, great visual design, simple stories elevated by their execution) is readily available in Fury Road.
>>71951134
He's been in prison the last ten years as an innocent man
He's done more for film and freedom than you ever will
>>71952722
You're arguing with a faggot that's on your side. Isn't that obvious?
>>71952764
Nah it's that Sicarioshill from few months back. Same moronic posting style and attitude.
>>71952722
RIGHT, YOU SURVIVE TO THAT POINT THEN GO MAKE THAT TRAP WITH YOUR SCRAWNY SJW ARMS
PURE MACHISMO CARRIES HIM UP TO AND THROUGH THE CHALLENGE
PANSY KUCKBOI
>>71945502
>hasn't made a movie in 13 years
>telling others how to do their job
>>71951281
git gud, faggot
>>71949999
James Gray's the Yards is probably the best 'human' crime film, not really *action* in the sense of Die Hard.
Johnnie To's Election and Drug War
>>71952754
>>71952716
>hire a criminal to commit a crime for you
>commit perjury
>"fighting for freedom"
>>71952881
>Drug War
Now THAT is a subversive action movie. At no point does anyone in that look good, they're all obsessives killing themselves and others for nothing despite it appearing like a heroic cop film on the surface
How can anyone compare poorly written trash like Fury Road to true masterpieces like Predator and Die Hard? Hell, even Last Action Hero is a hundred times better.
Also, Predator (while I prefer to read it as a rejection of technology and a return to primitivism, as well as a brains over brawn metaphor) is very clearly able to be read as a film about AIDS. A bunch of macho gay dudes think they can fuck anything, but a hidden enemy begins to wipe them all out. The only one who can defeat it is the one who covers himself in mud (condom) and rejects his masculinity (guns). Might sound silly but there is a very good essay about this somewhere, recommend you read it.
Die Hard, on the other hand, can be read no other way than as a metaphor for a bisexual man who ruined his marriage through his own sexual curiosity and drifts through a labyrinth of gay hook ups before finally overcoming these feelings and reconnecting with his wife. It's good as a pure action movie and all, but there's no other substance to it besides gay shit
Anyway, the reason Mad Max 1 and 2 are good and Fury LOAD is pure shit is because 1 and 2 had wastelands that meant something. 1 is Max fighting against an insane world and when he finally succumbs to the violence around him he embraces it and becomes the hardest motherfucker on the block. 2 never explains the apocalypse because for Max there may as well have never been a world to begin with, let alone an end of the world. He drifts through life alone and on autopilot, he does what he needs to do and has no interest in other people. Sometimes Fury Road has some decent moments that go back to these themes but in general is a poorly written, absurdly plotted, badly acted shitshow with repetitive action and a director that no longer understands the character he created
>>71952421
>buh huh things have to be the way I want them to be
Keep crying, you butthurt faggot.
>>71945502
wew
>>71950414
This. His two-word brush off implies he never even watched it.
>>71952959
When I think of human action I want to think of the actions at first level, the human to human interaction level and the Yards and Drug War are quite good with regards to that IMO. Different type of films, different effects, but very detailed emotions
I'm just glad that he's back.
>>71952658
That force kept him alive long enough for him to realize he needed to be cunning. The film is not anti-masculinity, it is pro, despite the director's intentions. The ultimate badass macho man cakes himself in mud, foregoes conventional weaponry, and uses his manly strength, agility, and intellect to overcome evil, foreign technology. A wimpy, scrawny man pausing to catch his breath, no matter how smart, would have been killed by not possessing the masculine strength, the physical endurance necessary to survive.
>>71949999
Seven Samurai would be the movie I'd most define as a "human action film"
>>71945502
>most of his films are simplistic action movies
>he did a terrible Rollerball remake that took most of the political stuff that was in the original film
>shits on Mad Max: Fury Road for being "corporate product"
Die Hard and Predator are masterpieces but they're just as corporate as Fury Road. John seems to have no self-awareness.
>>71952867
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My four chins all raff at lou, famalamadingdong!
>>71951936
>He uses cheap tricks (from the macho predators pov) to beat him.
He's making himself invisible to the predator, the exact same trick the predator was using.
>>71953259
Aaaannnd 'invisible' ain't 'macho'!
Game set and match, like you didn't even try.
>>71953198
>but they're just as corporate as Fury Road.
The whole reason Shane Black was cast in predator was because he was a studio plant. They didn't have a whole lot of faith in the movie, and wanted to know what was actually happening on set.
>>71953259
JUST A BIT OF INVISIBILITY BANTZ BETWEEN TWO ALPHA-MALES OF THEIR RESPECTIVE SPECIES
EVENING THE PLAYING FIELD IS THE DEFINITION OF HONORABLE MASCULINE BATTLE
PREDATOR IS SO MACHO ITS RIDICULOUS
>>71952884
He was setup.
>>71953297
>Aaaannnd 'invisible' ain't 'macho'!
But you specifically called the predator macho. So if invisibility is not macho, then the predator isn't macho either by the transitive property of machismo. You can't have it both ways, goofball.
>>71953164
>The ultimate badass macho man cakes himself in mud, foregoes conventional weaponry, and uses his manly strength, agility, and intellect to overcome evil, foreign technology
>The ultimate badass macho man
>cakes himself in mud
not macho
>foregoes conventional weaponry
not macho
>uses his manly strength
nope, the predator is shown to be stronger than him throughout the entire fight
>agility
not macho
>and intellect
not macho
> A wimpy, scrawny man
Like Adrian Brody?
>>71953480
>no, cause I say so
Compelling argument.
>>71953480
>not macho
>>71953259
>>71953374
I know what you mean but to the predator the invisibility isnt a trick - hear me out - seriously.
All movies make it clear the preds have some kind of honor system, they want the best game, the best kills, they dont want trophies from some unarmed girl.
This implies that for the predators the invisibilty, plasma cannon, arm blades, nanofiber shurikens etc. etc. etc. arent seen as an unfair advantage, just like in fox hunting being on horseback, having bloodhounds etc. etc. isnt seen as an unfair advantage.
But if the fox was to suddenly become invisible and start building pitfall traps and shooting exploding arrows at the horses this...
somehow... proves my argument I feel but cant find the words to express it properly sorry, also very drunk by now
>>71953641
Yeah of course Arnie will always be macho fucktard, but the pred outmachos him for gods sake.
>>71945502
>things I dislike are fascist
what a time we live in
>>71953756
PRED GETS BEAT DON'T HE
HUNTER BECOMES HUNTED
MACHOEST WINS QED
Fury Road had just as much if not even more heart than Die Hard did
Sorry McTiernan, but you're talking out of his ass
>>71953872
Fucking lol. It is always ridiculous to me how people can tolerate the writing of Max (there's barely anything but the tattoos and flashback, ok this might be enough but not enough to warrant its praise) and acting of Theron and Max.
Immortan Joe, and literally every antagonist was great fucking stuff but jesus the main characters outside Joe fall off hard.
Mean while Rickman and Willis are pulling off hilarious performances, and there's just more to relate on Willis's McClane than Hardy's Max.
Max should've been Gibson.
>>71949504
>oxford graduate and gifted writer
>his quote is being used by hordes of neckbeards to justify their mass consumption of mediocre capitalist entertainment aimed at children for no purpose other than making money.
but do tell me again how these ya novels or marvel quip movie #25 are on the same level as cs Lewis' oeuvre
>>71945502
>There is action but not of human beings. These are films made by fascists,
Did he even watch Fury Road? Or was the subtle character development too much for him?
How the fuck that slightly better than average flick won all dem awards is a fuckin d.b cooper tier level mystery to me tbhfamalam
>>71953480
To be fair, Brody only needs to inhale once a day to get all the oxygen he would need.
>>71953688
Pay attention to the movie, the predators always have a crutch. He's only using guns when they're armed. When billy makes his stand with a knife, he uses his knife claws. When arnold confronts him with nothing but his fists and giant balls, the predator goes h2h as well.
They wouldn't be hunting the deadliest prey if they weren't looking forward to some shenanigans from them. Manhunting is a completely different ball park from even big game hunting.
The movie I really want to see is Jurassic Predators, where the Pred's go back in time and hunt some raptors only to find out they're actually super bro's. and fly off into space with raptor riding predators kicking ass across the galaxy.
>>71953984
>How the fuck that slightly better than average flick won all dem awards is a fuckin d.b cooper tier level mystery to me tbhfamalam
you
i like your bantz
>>71953480
>Like Adrian Brody?
no.
>>71954067
fanx bruv
>>71953953
To appreciate art is to appreciate it from its most basic levels to its highest points. Dismissing a young adult novel or a Marvel movie because it's, ultimately, a cold capitalist product made for children is precisely what Lewis wanted you to avoid. Whatever buzzwords or distinctions you want to throw at the piece of media you're criticizing becomes irrelevant when you dissect and analyze it as what it really is: art.
>>71946291
to be fair he had legal problems and was in prison
>>71949054
Guardians of the Galaxy
action movie
yeah thanks for having an opinion, but you shat on it with the same breath
>>71945502
>made one of the GOATEST and manliest movies aka "PREDATOR" of all time
>The cult of American hyper-masculinity is one of the worst things that has happened in the world during the last 50 years.
He must have been on drugs when he said that, I can't explain it any other way.
If anything the nu-male hypersensitive "MUH FEELS" slack jawed faggots of the past 16+ years Hollywood has been shitting out have not only distorted, but outright ruined and destroyed the image of what a man should be.
>>71954478
>past 16 years
Babyfigs don't know what being a man is.
>>71954478
>>71954537
>romanticized fake men make for good role models
Just love your dad. Make sure he lives happily before taking shits in diapers.
>>71954537
john wayne was never good. you could have at least posted Clint Eastwood.
>>71954537
I've never understood the "manly" fascination with John Wayne. Dude pretty much always looked like a cosplaying grandpa.
>>71954478
There's a difference between the masculinity in predator and American hyper masculinity, predator barely focuses on any sort of nationalistic pride and rather focuses on a power struggle in its most pure form, rather than be muddled by political ideation
>>71954762
>cosplaying grandpa.
Grit, plain and simple. The ability to stand for what you know is right in the face of any opposition. There was never any equivocation with John Wayne, he has the famous quote of "When people say its not a black and white issue, I say 'Why the hell not?'"
There was never any pussyfooting around the issue, as a person of any kind of fiber you should KNOW what is right and what is wrong, and there isn't a good enough reason to ever not do the right thing.
Look at the man who shot liberty valance, he sacrifices the only thing he really wants to defend Stewart because it was the right thing to do. The only other person who knows what really happened is Stewart who tries to balk the responsibility being thrust on him until ol' Marion smacks some sense into him. Stewart then goes on to have a huge career in politics and civilizing the frontier, and is seen as a hero of the west, and its all because of that unspoken obligation, he has to honor of what wayne did.
It wasn't about john wayne the man, as the legend that he represented.
>>71954762
You haven't watched a single John Ford film I bet.
>>71954145
the ya novels that are being churned out for the sole purpose of banking on the popularity of certain storylines that are in vogue e.g; the hunger games clones can not be described as art.
they are the literary equivalent of painting by numbers
This has nothing to do with what C.S Lewis warned people about. Whereas his work was seen as childish at the time, it still has literary merit. The vastly popular ya novels a la labyrinth, a la divergent are so devoid of any style, are so culturally bankrupt, that quite frankly, it's embarrassing that certain adults genuinely enjoy them
It reminds me of adults unironically enjoying MLP
>>71955301
>Draft dodging pussy
>>71955751
The fuck does that have to do with the characters he played on screen?
>it's a leftists label everything they don't like ''fascist'' episode
>>71945502
>someone with prestige pointing out how stupid fury road was
fucking finally
>>71956463
I don't think it was necessarily stupid.
It's just the main narrative, 'Men ruined the world - look at Furiosa rising to where Joe was at the end - declare victory and revolution' is so fucking stupid, hamfisted and clearly referential to current affairs sjw bullshit that it grates you the entire time
Plus Theron and Hardy really fucking sucked desu qh
>>71945502
>make one of the best action films of all time
>then much later spout off some inane bullshit like this
>>71951336
Get raped, commie.
>>71945647
Die Hard is objectively a fantastic movie though.
I mean, I like Fury Road a lot, but I'm not sure it tops it.
Of course, the majority of his filmography is really awful, compared to the few real gems he's done.
>>71946181
I agree, as far as I'm concerned, the series ends with 3.
>>71946380
No it's not.
>>71946427
Nah, it's pretty good.
>>71947113
I kind of hate what the later sequels became.
>>71947365
>"Nerd culture is the product of a late capitalist conspiracy, designed to infantalize the consumer as a means of non-aggressive control."
Yet you made Paul and appeared in Star Trek
>"I don't want to see or make films about super heroes that fly around in spandex and a cape solving the problems of the world. I think it's fine for children, children of all ages by the way, but it's not for me."
I actually don't think that's too unreasonable.
>"Superman makes me vomit, Batman and all of that. That whole empire... this religion... It is so important that superheroes suffer... I don't give a damn, I shit on the United States."
Fuck you too.
>"It’s produced by humans who can’t stand looking at other humans. And that’s why the industry is full of otaku!"
People pay you to make cartoons, not to hear you talk.
>"The movies are for children but they don't want to admit that... There is a small group of fans that do not like comic sidekicks. They want the films to be tough like The Terminator, and they get very upset and opinionated about anything that has anything to do with being childlike."
It always floors me how poorly he understands a thing he had fundamental involvement with early on. And the strawmanning.
>>71948118
This pasta should be the sticky here.
All of it is correct.
Yes you can rationalise, contextualise and debate it to a point, but the truth is the truth.
>>71945567
no he shouldn't. It's refreshing to see this kind of candid response, good or bad.
u shut urs
>>71948520
Disgusting
>>71947365
That Pegg quote is completely right.
"Nerd culture" was a mistake.
>>71947720
It's funny, right?
>>71952742
I love that movie.
