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Is this the greatest animation kino to ever be made?
That would be Akira. Don't worry, I know I'm a pleb.
The comic was better.
no, but its close
honorable mentions to perfect blue and grave of the fireflies
>>71937548
No.
Heavy Metal sucked but was 2x better than Nausicaa
No, Popeye is.
>>71937548
Not even the best Miyaza...
wait a sec, Labeuf does the english dub? wtf?
>>71937548
It's definitely high-tier but don't know about greatest. Here's the shortlist of all-time animated kino to show all of your friends how cool you are:
>Belladonna of Sadness (1973) (just the name is enough to let people know you have taste)
>The Tragedy of Man (2011) (It's Hungarian so everyone will assume you know everything if you know Hungarian movies)
>Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade (1999) (the distributors would have just called it 'Wolf-Man' if they had balls)
>Pinnochio (1940) (probably tied with Fantasia for most impressive animation from Disney, but you get bonus hipster points for this one because everyone says Fantasia)
>Watership Down (1978) (possibly the best vocal performances you'll ever hear in an animated kino)
>Wings of Honneamise: The Royal Space Force (1987) (talk about this one now before the sequel makes it popular)
>>71937607
That's not even the best Oshii-kino. Ghost in the Shell 2 is a much better movieand The Red Spectacles is better than every animated movie he ever made.
Perfect Blue is great too but Kon's classics-homage-kino peaked with Millennium Actress. It's simplicity makes it hit harder than Perfect Blue, which takes a standard enough Dario Argento plot and then goes full nippon-twist-mode on it for some reason. PB might have some stronger imagery but I think Kon wasn't quite sure of where he was at yet.
and
>Grave of the Fireflies
There are probably at least 10 Ghibli movies that blow that one away.
>>71937568
Akira is simultaneously entry-level and a pleb filter. It blows your mind with its nonsensical plot and violence when you're 14, but then when you come back you appreciate it as the cyberpunk masterpiece that it is. Only plotfags hate Akira because they're too autistic to appreciate anything that isn't fed to them directly via expository dialogue.
I am autist hear me list facts and opinions.
The Nausicaa film is pretty lame. Prime Miyazaki was late 90s to early 00s.
>>71937818
>That's not even the best Oshii-kino. Ghost in the Shell 2 is a much better movie
>>71937868
>prime miyazaki was late 80's to early 90's
FTFY m8
>>71937931
After watching the rest of Oshii's filmography it really feels like the movie he wanted to make. The only real problem I have with it is the gunfight in the middle act which maybe goes on for a bit too long and gets too big at the end. It's well directed and I appreciate that he used it to demonstrate how inhuman Batou can be but it still felt like an invasive element messing up the ideal Oshii formula.
The first Ghost in the Shell felt like it was going two different directions entirely. It was one part tightly directed police-espionage drama like Patlabor and one part a meandering aesthetic trip. I think that Oshii is much stronger when he focuses on one or the other. Ghost in the Shell feels like it misses out on a core because it tries to be two things. It can work one way or the other but both is too much.
Innocence does a great job of looking nice and pondering stuff while Jin-Roh is an amazing psychological-thriller. Each has elements of the other but one is clearly dominating the other. Ghost in the Shell feels like it's stuck in the middle compared to the rest of Oshii's work. And I know Oshii didn't direct Jin-Roh, and that's probably the reason it is the way it is. His touch is clearly there in the writing, but without him at the helm during production the movie was steered into the safer (but not necessarily less noble) direction of being a thriller over whatever it is you want to call Innocence and the other two Kerberos movies.
>>71937996
nigger GitS 2 is a mishmashed slow poorly directed mess.
Perfect Blue is far better than everything you just listed.
>>71937996
where the hell can I watch Straydog? I've been looking forever.
Nausicaa certainly has the best cast of voice actors for the English dub... admiral adama and captain Picard in the same movie!!!
>>71938165
I don't like answering requests but since Stray Dog can be so hard to find compared to most stuff:https://bakabt.me/torrent/130481/stray-dog-h264-live-action
The soundtrack is the only part of the movie everyone loves, Kenji kawai was in the zone on this one. It's a controversial movie but I love it.
>>71937548
No, because there is no such thing as the greatest animated movie. Or the greatest live action movie. Or the greatest video game. Or the greatest album.
>>71938225
bummer, no seeders. thanks though.
>>71938430
>no seeders
They're around since it's a tracker you have to register for, just not all the time. I'd be seeding but my current internet setup is awful. Might be about to get a nicer one soon though.
>>71937548
NO, this is
>>71938277
Behold, we have The Greatest Retard over here!
If anyone is in the mood for something different and not well known, try I Want to Return to That Day (Ano Hi ni Kaeritai). It's a follow-up to the TV series Kimagure Orange Road, but it's probably fine to watch without having seen it as it's very self-explanatory and even drops some major elements from the original that would have gotten in the way of the story.
The story is essentially a love triangle, or more specifically the end of a love triangle and the ensuing fallout. Very cinematic and understated. And very, very underrated (I've never seen anyone mention it).
http://www.silveremulsion.com/2012/05/09/stephen-reviews-kimagure-orange-road-i-want-to-return-to-that-day-1988/
>>71938430
It's a private tracker. You need to get a p2p client that isn't blacklisted.
>>71938171
>watching dubs
I will never understand this. Can you people not read or do you actually enjoy it?
I'm even more surprised when people watch dubs of live action movies and series, it looks and sounds so out of place when people speak.
>>71938606
What was retarded about what I said?
>>71938536
it says I'm not whitelisted. made an account on the site, but still says that.
>>71937548
>Is this the greatest animation kino to ever be made?
It's great, it's damn good. But it's not even in the top five.
>>71938681
Some dubs are actually good, like Bepop for example. I have no idea how good Miyazaki dubs are though.
>>71938624
how do I p2p? obviously I don't torrent usually.
>>71938430
It has five seeders and BakaBT either doesn't require registration or has open registration.
>>71938773
Disney was told they couldn't make any cuts so they fucked up the dubs instead. I heard they fixed some of it in later releases though.
>>71938619
Kimagure Orange Road is absolut kinographi. Not to mention also one of the key sources of future-funk visuals. I really like that soft featured look that a lot of mainstream anime had in the 80s. Honourable mention to Cream Lemon and Marmalade Boy.
>>71938681
I personally like dubs. They generally act as another layer of localisation, both in writing and performances. This is ideal cases though. For what I mean consider anything done by Manga Entertainment. They're easily the best at it. It's generally agreed that they lifted Cyber City Oedo 808 from a 5/10 to an 8/10 purely through their new audio (they redid the soundtrack too). Some things just sound strange when translated from Japanese to English and while an anime fan who watches a lot of the stuff gets used to these things for the casual viewer it can be very helpful.
>I WILL NEVER FORGIVE YOU FOR THIS
makes sense but doesn't sound like something someone would actually say. Which is why Manga Entertainment would change it to something like
>YOU FUUUUCKEEERRRRRR
>>71938685
>I am the grand mediator of all discussion, nothing is right and everything is opinion, except this
way to add absolutely nothing to the discussion.
>>71938713
>>71938795
what client are you using? Utorrent 2.2.1 is a very reliable one. Are you using something stupid like the latest Utorrent with all the ads and junk clogging up the sides?
>>71938773
>>71938858
Ghibli dubs are generally very high quality if a bit by the books since Disney realized that they had a sizeable audience and started hiring big name actors to stir up additional interest. They did first try to kill Ghibli in the west by botching the release of Nausicaa but then they eventually decided to play nice and share the money/audience.
>>71937548
Not as good as Princess Mononoke. Just to talk Studio Ghibli.
>>71938929
>what client are you using? Utorrent 2.2.1 is a very reliable one. Are you using something stupid like the latest Utorrent with all the ads and junk clogging up the sides?
ugh, yea, 3.4.3
>>71937996
>>71937818
xv-kun?
>>71938619
That's a comfy show and movie. Such an 80s gem.
>>71937568
That's not Watership Down
>>71938984
you aren't supposed to do that. I rate the value of my torrents based on the clients of the people using them. Not worth sharing data with 3.4.3 peons. You know you're seeding high-tier stuff when your peers are all on Deluge or Utorrent 2.2.1.
>>71938990
No, who's that? I get mistaken for a lot of people/things because I write so much.
>>71938929
>I personally like dubs. They generally act as another layer of localisation, both in writing and performances.
The original performances and script are part of the work like anything else.
>I am the grand mediator of all discussion, nothing is right and everything is opinion, except this
That's not what I said. I just said that there isn't any work that is absolutely and definitely better than anything else.
>Ghibli dubs are generally very high quality if a bit by the books
The storylines of Kiki and Spirited Away were altered by the dub. The characterization of Kiki's cat was also completely redone. If that's high quality then I'd hate to hear what bad quality sounds like.
>>71937818
Jin-Roh is trash.
And the Zeta pic lowers the value of your opinion.
>>71939028
>you aren't supposed to do that.
changing versions fixed it, thanks mang.
>>71939057
>Jin-Roh is trash.
Thank you.
>>71939029
>The original performances and script are part of the work like anything else
I know they're a part of the work. That's what localisation is, changing the original work for a new audience.
>That's not what I said
looks more or less like the gist of it, and your next sentence looks like just about the same thing again if you ask me.
>The storylines of Kiki and Spirited Away were altered by the dub
I think that as long as they're keeping the spirit of the work intact it's fine. It's clear that at least a bit of thought and passion went into those dubs.
>what bad quality sounds like
I think pretty much any mainstream anime dub now is pretty bad. The ones where they get the same 5 actors to play everybody doing the same handful of voices. I can't stand that. What bothers me in particular is the idea of the 'anime voice.' People who have been working in anime for so long that they've developed a distinctive style for doing it. What this gives us is actors who aren't trying to sound natural, or theatrical or whatever else in their portrayal of the given role. They're trying to sound like anime. It's a hard concept to get your head around unless you've already realized it yourself but it bothers me to no end.
>>71939057
>Jin-Roh is trash.
Can't argue with that. (I really can't. Unless you provide substance your post is pointless)
>And the Zeta pic lowers the value of your opinion
That's a gif. And Zeta is high-tier /m/-core. Ideon is Tomino's masterpiece but I still like Zeta a lot. It's obvious that the production was kind of a mess but Tomino got to get some cool ideas into the mainstream. I really like how morally ambiguous and generally not ideal at all he decided to make the Gundam setting.
>>71939152
np fampire
Are there any movies like Ninja Scroll or Vampire Hunter 2000? Looking for sleek, good-looking action movies that tell their plot through the characters and fights rather than exposition. Anyone seen the Highlander anime made by the same guy as Ninja scroll?
>>71939250
>That's what localisation is, changing the original work for a new audience.
And it's unnecessary unless you have some condition that prevents you from reading subtitles. If you need everything to be Americanized then don't even bother with anime.
People who watch live action foreign cinema take it for granted that things should be watched in their original state, but anime watchers have all kinds of excuses as to why the voices and script and even the music need to be changed. God forbid that they should be exposed to anything that's different.
>your next sentence looks like just about the same thing again if you ask me.
How?
>I think that as long as they're keeping the spirit of the work intact it's fine.
It's not fine. It's not the localizer's job to start rewriting the story any more than they have to.
>>71937818
>that list
>Ghost in the Shell 2 is a much better movie and The Red Spectacles is better than every animated movie he ever made
>Akira cyberpunk masterpiece
were you genetically engineered to be a pleb? fuck you
Perfect blue fags go home, da GOAT is coming through.
>>71937548
Its the most epic fantasy tale, but a few surpass it easily in both quality and story.
>Akira
>GITS
>Howl
>Mononoke
>SA
>Cowboy Bebop
>>71937548
It really inspired people to create great art also check out these doujins by Suzuki Dogezaemon, wonderful art and strangely arousing
Part 1
http://exhentai.org/g/573350/973dcf29a2/
Part 2
http://exhentai.org/g/589366/cbb0273966/
Part 3
http://exhentai.org/g/648887/118ec38f58/
I dont even watch a lot of anime but akira and EoE are my two favorite films of all time
Imagine if the japs had access to the same budget and technology as dreamworks and pixar
>>71939340
Sword of the Stranger.
>>71939340
Redline. You want Redline. That's the only one I can give you for sure. Aside from that maybe Afro Samurai and Sword of the Stranger. Your taste sounds pretty limiting here. Have you seen Akira? Everyone loves Akira.
>>71939358
>If you need everything to be americanized then don't even bother with anime
That's the thing, I don't but it's the reason why so many people don't bother with anime. If there were more high-quality dubs around more people would get to see cool stuff they normally wouldn't expose them to.
>people who watch live action foreign cinema take it for granted that things should be watched in their original state
tell that to Italy, or China, or India, or a shitload of other places. Lots of cultures consider it totally normal.
>How?
>there isn't any work that is absolutely and definitely better than anything else.
Does that not sound like
>nothing is right and everything is opinion, except this
to you?
>It's not the localizer's job to start rewriting the story any more than they have to
There's no official guidelines to this stuff. Once they have the rights they can do whatever they want. Whether or not they should could be discussed endlessly.
>>71939397
I bet your taste is all kinds of shit and that you don't even sincerely enjoy watching Genocyber at least four times a year. What do you know about science-fiction?
>all this talk about Oshii
>no mention of Patlabor 2
absolutely shameful
>>71939504
Why would you want them to make 3D movies?
>>71939509
>tell that to Italy, or China, or India, or a shitload of other places. Lots of cultures consider it totally normal.
I mean cinephiles. People who go out of their way to watch foreign movies.
>Does that not sound like
>nothing is right and everything is opinion, except this
>to you?
There's no basis for thinking that this one single movie is definitively better than any other movie ever made.
>Once they have the rights they can do whatever they want. Whether or not they should could be discussed endlessly.
No, it couldn't. Their job is to localize the movie, not rewrite it. They may also not have the right to do whatever, because the licensor may demand to approve the dub.
>>71939483
I'm just seeing a happy grizzly bear wtf?
>>71939602
That's the casual filter working
>>71939596
>I mean cinephiles
and I don't. Dubs aren't made for cinephiles, just like lots of other things. That doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.
>There's no basis for thinking that this one single movie is definitively better than any other movie ever made.
Well aren't you just the king of no fun then?
>>71939602
try lighting some incense and then giving a prayer of thanks to your computer's machine spirit.
>>71939669
I'm not talking about who dubs are made for, I'm talking about the differences in attitude.
>>71939626
there are 2 different time lines
Movie Timeline: Mobile Police Patlabor: Early Days (7 episodes) --> Patlabor: The Movie --> WXIII: Patlabor the Movie 3 --> Patlabor 2: The Movie
you can ignore the 3rd movie, it's not great and doesn't add anything
or the TV series which is much more laid-back
TV Timeline: Patlabor: The TV Series (47 episodes) --> Patlabor: The New Files (16 episodes)
I'd personally recommend the movies+ early days first and if you like that then try the TV series
>>71939550
The first one is a better movie. Patlabor 2 is like an animated essay with cameos from the Patlabor franchise.
It is a very pretty essay though, I'll give it that.
>>71939729
I think the third movie is good, it's just that it has barely anything to do with the series.
>>71939719
>cinephiles and people who refuse to watch stuff in foreign language have different attitudes
I think we can all agree on that. What's your point?
>>71939808
I already made my point:
>People who watch live action foreign cinema take it for granted that things should be watched in their original state, but anime watchers have all kinds of excuses as to why the voices and script and even the music need to be changed. God forbid that they should be exposed to anything that's different.
>>71939825
It's worth noting that it's standard practice in some countries to dub live-action things into local languages too. A few even have 'official' voices for certain actors that will dub them in all films and TV.
One good reason for watching dubbed anime is you don't have to put up with that weird Japanese thing where all women squeak and simper like 6 year old girls
>>71939861
Frankly, most shows and movies with that style of voice acting wouldn't be of interest to most of /tv/ anyway.
>>71939861
Except you don't actually have to put up with it even if you watch in Japanese, because it's a meme and not a real thing.
>>71939825
But we've already established that that's not exclusive to anime fans at all, and a lot of anime fans dislike dubs very strongly. Your point is stupid and you should stop pushing it and any other conclusion you reached without any knowledge on the subject.
>>71939861
>One good reason for watching dubbed hentai is you don't have to put up with that weird Japanese thing where all women squeak and simper like 6 year old girls
I made your post make sense
>>71939885
That's demonstrably false and if I wasn't shitposting from a mobile device I would provide ample evidence.
>>71939925
I've never seen anyone defend live action dubbing like "anime fans" defend dubbing, and I've never seen people who go out their way to watch foreign cinema say they want to watch things dubbed.
>>71938758
>But it's not even in the top five.
which ones?
>>71939769
Nah mate. The first one is too conventional. This scene shits on anything from the first one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dmlwhaEEgE
>>71939509
>I bet your taste is all kinds of shit and that you don't even sincerely enjoy watching Genocyber at least four times a year. What do you know about science-fiction?
GOAT science fiction: Nausicaa, GITS(1995), Patlabor 1,2 and FF: Spirits Within. Wings of Honneamise and GITS Innocence are garbage.
>>71939432
Satoshi Kon isreddit-tier
>>71940046
I'm ambivalent towards P2 because it's a good movie but not a good Patlabor movie.
>>71940066
Everything you listed as GOAT is reddit-tier
>>71940046
I enjoy Patlabor 2 but it's Oshii at the furthest up his own ass he's ever been. Conventional isn't inherently a bad thing and please don't try to pretend that the entire sequence in the middle with the detectives tracing the scientist's trail wasn't stunning in terms of mood, animation and atmosphere.
>>71940148
>Entire sequence
Entire sequence in the first movie, to be clear.
>>71939995
This doesn't really sound like a discussion worth having.
>I've never seen people who go out their way to watch foreign cinema say they want to watch things dubbed
First off anecdotal evidence is shit. Second how many people do you know who go out of their way to watch foreign cinema and are they all from more or less the same population sample? Do you know any Italians/Chinese/anybodywhosefirstlanguageisn'tenglish?
Now back to this main point which is the heart of the issue, what's wrong with dubbing? You say
>People who watch live action foreign cinema take it for granted that things should be watched in their original state
Yes, so what? Are you saying that these people are inherently superior to anime fans? And who even are these people?
and
>but anime watchers have all kinds of excuses as to why the voices and script and even the music need to be changed. God forbid that they should be exposed to anything that's different.
If they didn't like things that are different they wouldn't be watching anime. What's really lost in dubbing? Maybe the script changes a bit (which can happen in subs: see Angel Cop) and you get new performances. Is hearing somebody speaking a language that you don't understand and reading along to follow the plot really a new experience that dub watchers are missing out on? Is it a problem? I get that some performances are real good on a raw level above language (eg in Eva I think that the actress playing Shinji really sells the suffering) but I think it's still perfectly possible to watch the show dubbed and get the experience that Hideaki Anno intended for you to have and I don't think you can convince me otherwise.
>>71940066
>GOAT science fiction: Nausicaa, GITS(1995), Patlabor 1,2 and FF: Spirits Within. Wings of Honneamise and GITS Innocence are garbage
Wow. I bet you thought Prometheus was bad too you turbopleb. I'll give you a max character limit response on each of those movies by request if you want.
Bobby's In Deep is animekino and motorcyclekino
>>71940254
Hey, other Bobby's In Deep anon! What's happening? It's me, the original one, if you didn't already guess from the walls of text that compose 2/3 of the thread.
>>71940208
>First off anecdotal evidence is shit.
I'm comparing anecdotal evidence vs. anecdotal evidence. I see "anime fans" rationalize dubs all the time, but I've never seen anything like it from the live action crowd.
>Are you saying that these people are inherently superior to anime fans?
Yes.
>If they didn't like things that are different they wouldn't be watching anime.
But they are watching it, and at the same time they require the safe familiarity of English voice acting.
>What's really lost in dubbing?
The original voice performances, the original script, the authenticity and the culture.
>Is hearing somebody speaking a language that you don't understand and reading along to follow the plot really a new experience that dub watchers are missing out on?
They are completely missing out on it since the original voice acting has been completely replaced.
>>71940208
The FLCL director put a huge amount of effort and deliberation into the casting. When I learned that, I felt it was almost disrespectful to watch the dub.
>>71939550
Thank
You
>>71940309
TAKE ONNNNNN MEEE
>>71939057
>Jin-Roh is trash
(You)
>>71940208
Will you tell me about Evangelion, Prometheus and Wings of Honneamise superior hidden meaning as well? Please enlighten me, sensei.
>>71940309
ayyyy
not much, id post some relevant webms if i wasn't on my phone
>anime "fans" who defend dubbing in any capacity whatsoever
just fucking KYS
Mononoke did most of the same things Nausicaa did except much better.
>>71937548
I got you covered fà m
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPUIrnivDRE
>>71940148
Patlabor 2 takes more stylistic risks. It's the Chris Marker of anime. It engages you in a synaesthetic sense rather than conventional notions of narrative and character drama. The first movie is good though.
>>71937548
This
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SxceXxrCrA
>>71940405
>kys
>>71940325
>I see "anime fans" rationalize dubs all the time, but I've never seen anything like it from the live action crowd
Again I get the impression here that you don't actually know any live action crowd. About half of Europe has no problem with rationalizing dubs, are there no true """""""""film fans"""""" among them?
>Yes
No, maybe. I don't know,canyou fucking kill yourself
>they require the safe familiarity of English voice acting
Maybe they have trouble perceiving subtleties in Japanese performances and genuinely don't have anything added to their experience by original dubs. To people who don't have great language skills foreigners speaking can be more or less white noise to them. If they'd rather have a recognizable performances which doesn't exclude half of their utilized senses when taking in a piece of media I think that sacrificing a part of the creators original vision is reasonable.
>The original voice performances, the original script, the authenticity and the culture
This varies wildly from dub to dub but as somebody who is really into their anime I think I can safely say this isn't a problem in most cases.
>original performances
no shit
>original script
99% of the time it's the same thing just altered to sound natural in the new language
>authenticity and culture
this is really a case to case thing but I can't think of any examples where it matters
>They are completely missing out
I think I made my point badly, I'll try again. Is the casual anime viewer replacing subbed-moonspeak with a dub really robbing themselves of an experience? Either way you're getting the dialogue as interpreted by somebody else. The sub-guy didn't write it, and the Japanese VA is still just a guy reading the script in a booth. Maybe you prefer his take but in the end it's just another take.
>>71940385
Got you my man. I live for this stuff. Which order do you want?
>>71940481
>1:07
>dat rape face
>>71940549
that came out far more spoilered that it was meant to. Only meant to hide telling subs-anon to kill himself. Don't know how that last spoiler mark hid from me.
>>71938773
Depends on the film really. Some of the Disney dubs are just plain awful, but you're cheating yourself if you don't watch the dub of Howl's Moving Castle, for example.
>>71940549
>Again I get the impression here that you don't actually know any live action crowd.
I do.
> don't know, can you fucking kill yourself
For stating a fact?
>Maybe they have trouble perceiving subtleties in Japanese performances and genuinely don't have anything added to their experience by original dubs. To people who don't have great language skills foreigners speaking can be more or less white noise to them. If they'd rather have a recognizable performances which doesn't exclude half of their utilized senses when taking in a piece of media I think that sacrificing a part of the creators original vision is reasonable.
I'm not talking about people who have cognitive problems.
>This varies wildly from dub to dub but as somebody who is really into their anime I think I can safely say this isn't a problem in most cases.
The dub fully replaces the original voices, the script has to be fully replaced, and in the vast majority of cases you end up with Japanese people speaking English in Japan.
>99% of the time it's the same thing just altered to sound natural in the new language
It's not the same thing.
>this is really a case to case thing but I can't think of any examples where it matters
Of course you can't. You don't even care.
>Is the casual anime viewer replacing subbed-moonspeak with a dub really robbing themselves of an experience?
Yes.
>Either way you're getting the dialogue as interpreted by somebody else. The sub-guy didn't write it, and the Japanese VA is still just a guy reading the script in a booth. Maybe you prefer his take but in the end it's just another take.
It's the original take directed by the original production team, reading from a script prepared by the original production team.
>>71940698
I think Christian Bale was a little out of his element dubbing.
>>71940549
this order: Nausicaa, GITS(1995), Patlabor 1,2 and FF: Spirits Within. Wings of Honneamise and GITS Innocence
>>71940783
Wait, you meant those ones? Damn that's no fun. I wanted to talk Prometheus.
>>71940722
It's like you're trying to kill discussion here. Look how fucking big the parts you're quoting are compared to what you're posting. And look at your answers, they aren't counter-points. Your aim just seems to be to shut down point rather than reach a conclusion.
Let's cover what seems like actual substance here
> I do know live-action crowd who only watch subs
I don't even remember why this was brought up now, something about anime fans being stupid faggots. Even if let's say that every single live-action film fan on the planet has exquisite-perfect 11/10 taste and refuses to watch a single dub in their whole life does that invalidate anime dubbing in any way?
>For stating a fact
>live-action-subs fans are better people than anime-dubs fans
>cognitive problem
It's not a cognitive problem to be able to interpret your own language better than a foreign one. It's a skill if you can follow a second language as well as your first. And then you disregarded everything else there which is really the heart of this thing.
Some people simply don't get anything out of hearing Japanese, no matter how flawless the performances are it just doesn't really do anything for some people, and it's not because they're mentally inferior, some people just don't like it. I personally think I can get the gist of what's going on in another language and enjoy it just as well but some people are bothered by having to read or are just more engaged with English/less engaged with Japanese. I sometimes even watch anime in Italian just to see how they do it.
I'd like to see you take another look at that paragraph and not draw one point from it that isn't even there and then dismiss the rest.
>in the vast majority of cases you end up with Japanese people speaking English in Japan.
So? With their dubs you end up with Japanese speaking Englishmen. What's the problem?
>>71937548
not even best ghibli movie
>>71940942
>Part deauxeueoue
>The dub fully replaces the original voices
So? Original vision is overrated. Do you think Shakespeare's original cast is the definitive version of Hamlet?
>script has to be fully replaced
or just translated, it depends. Generally it's the same thing with minor localisations that make no substantial difference outside of spooks like 'experience' and 'culture.'
>it's not the same thing
I can't argue with this statement but not because it's right. Is this really how you want to go about this? Is this how you communicate to people face to face? What's the point of even posting if you're going to provide absolutely nothing of substance?
>of course you can't. You don't even care
what's your excuse?
>Yes
See two answers above
>It's the original take directed by the original production team, reading from a script prepared by the original production team
See the point about Shakespeare again.
Also from your logic here I take it that you never read translated novels/manga/etc? What you say applies here would have to be double in solely language driven mediums.
>>71940964
Movie discussion is dead. Only the merits of subs v dubs now.
>>71940942
>It's like you're trying to kill discussion here. Look how fucking big the parts you're quoting are compared to what you're posting. And look at your answers, they aren't counter-points. Your aim just seems to be to shut down point rather than reach a conclusion.
Please spare me the whiny meta bullshit.
>Even if let's say that every single live-action film fan on the planet has exquisite-perfect 11/10 taste and refuses to watch a single dub in their whole life does that invalidate anime dubbing in any way?
Anime dubbing invalidates itself, and it's not what I was talking about. I was, once again, talking about the differences in attitude.
>live-action-subs fans are better people than anime-dubs fans
People who respect acting and writing are better than those who don't.
>It's not a cognitive problem to be able to interpret your own language better than a foreign one.
I didn't say it is.
>Some people simply don't get anything out of hearing Japanese, no matter how flawless the performances are it just doesn't really do anything for some people
The Japanese is still part of the work. If they don't like it then maybe they shouldn't be watching anime.
>With their dubs you end up with Japanese speaking Englishmen.
That's part of the work.
No. This is, unironically. There are at best a handful of TV shows with direction and kinematography that rival Sailor Moon and only the very best anime films match it is this regard.
>>71941059
>Original vision is overrated.
Do you just outright hate anime?
>Do you think Shakespeare's original cast is the definitive version of Hamlet?
Not a valid comparison. Stage plays are inherently different from movies and TV shows.
>or just translated
I.e. replaced.
>I can't argue with this statement but not because it's right
It is right. It's self-evidently right. They don't alter the original Japanese script, they replace it with an entirely new one.
>Also from your logic here I take it that you never read translated novels/manga/etc? What you say applies here would have to be double in solely language driven mediums.
Again not comparable. With manga and literature there's no choice but to replace the original text.
Itt autism
>>71941093
Is this actually worth watching or are you baiting?
>>71941059
>Do you think Shakespeare's original cast is the definitive version of Hamlet?
The people at the time definitely did and treated them as the highest celebrities. It may scholars would argue that Shakespeare wrote his plays specifically for those particular actors.
There's no way you can defend the crap the Disney dub did to Spirited away anyway. The original is much more somber in mood and the writing was changed so much that the plot no longer makes any sense. There's no way you can claim that it captures the intent of the original work or even respects its basic themes.
>>71941285
It has some really cool shots like pic related but in the overall it is repetitive as pokemon
Just watch the opening it is the best it has to offer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ten4sIwapQ4
If you want something with said visuals watch Madoka (even if not one of my favorites it is still a 6/10 and worth a watch, I like Rebellion better tho)
>>71941285
I've only seen the original Sailor Moon series and it's cinematographically and aesthetically speaking nothing special.
>>71941155
>Do you just outright hate anime
no, I think that the idea of the artists original vision is overrated
>State plays are inherently different from movies and TV shows
I think they're more similar than most people think, especially now that movies and tv have become old enough to start drawing from themselves for inspiration. Take all the superheroes for example, we see old ideas redone, reimagined, whatever all the time.
>translation=replacement
about as much as subbing is
>they replace it with an entirely new one
aside from language I would say that in most cases it's the same thing. Saying that konichawa =/= hello is just splitting hairs.
>Again not comparable. With manga and literature there's no choice but to replace the original text
How about you learn the language? They're very comparable. With both you're having somebody else interpret it for you and give it to you in a format you can understand. The way I see it displaying text on the screen is more or less the same as putting new voices over the top. Both are interpreting something for you because you can't appreciate it as it is. You could say that the original dub is closer to the real thing, but since you're still reading and only really getting the inflection of somebody's voice, which can be conveyed accurately through a dub, I see no value in one over the other.
>>71941310
Spirited Away's dub is a matter of decisions with scripting made by that specific movie's distributors. If they had chosen to sub instead they could have changed the plot just as easily. Angel Cop did this, Spirited Away could have too. You don't speak Japanese.
And as for Shakespeare even if he wrote with them in mind that doesn't make them the be all and end all. Maybe he would have preferred Kenneth Branagh?
>>71941285
>>71941093
I have to say I agree with this. Sailor Moon is some top-shelf stuff and Shoujo in general has the best to offer as far as anime goes. And with that I leave this shit thread forever.
>>71941397
>>71941425
Won't bother then. I have Madoka downloaded so I might finally see what it's like.
>>71941285
If you are asking in earnest, I'm not joking at all. Sailor Moon is fucking weird, in that it is basically a popular animated Saturday morning Power Rangers for young girls along with everything that entails, yet it also simultaneously manages to be the zenith of made for TV anime in several respects and represents honestly the highest level of total achievement the medium has produced thus far. At its best, it is unabashedly operatic tragicomedy played out on a grand scale set in a life filled, myth spliced urban Tokyo.
Evangelion's director worships Sailor Moon's directors.
>>71941602
Let's be serious here
>some threat appears
>the sailors go to fight it
>some sailor is captured
>tuxed mask appears
>sailors save the sailor captured
>tuxed mask disappears
That's every episode in a nutshell
Yes. You are my nigga, OP.
>>71941499
>no, I think that the idea of the artists original vision is overrated
Dubfags all seem to be like this. They just have no respect for the original work.
>I think they're more similar than most people think
A stage play is equivalent to Disney remaking Spirited Away, it isn't equivalent to Disney dubbing it. Stage plays are also meant to be played by anyone and aren't made to be recorded.
>about as much as subbing is
Subtitles don't replace anything.
>aside from language I would say that in most cases it's the same thing.
It isn't. This is absolute fact and not something you can argue against so I don't know why you're even trying.
>How about you learn the language?
Not what we're talking about.
>The way I see it displaying text on the screen is more or less the same as putting new voices over the top.
They aren't the same thing at all. The dub completely removes the original voices and script. With subtitles you can hear the original performances and the script is still intact (even if you don't know much Japanese, you can for example hear honorifics and personal pronouns).
>>71941499
>If they had chosen to sub instead they could have changed the plot just as easily.
They used voice overs to alter the story in Spirited Away and Kiki. It wouldn't have worked with subs.
>>71941499
>You don't speak Japanese.
Kek, I do and they totally fucked it up. Their subs are more accurate, but still contains tons of dumb errors.
>>71937548
>greatest animation kino
Nope, that would be Honnêamise
>>71941397
But Sailor Moon is way better than Madoka anon.
>>71941648
I don't even slightly pretend to deny that its monster of he week format is the worst in any show ever made. As a kid I really hated it for that and only watched it sporadically, so it really surprised me coming back and watching it as an adult "for the plot"seriouslyhow good it manages to be when you actually follow its continuity properly.
>>71940348
I've only ever watched the dub of FLCL, but it seemed like the cringiest shit in the world. Everyone I know talks so highly of it, but I hated it to no end. Maybe I need to go watch it in subs, instead.
>>71938619
>>71938929
>>71939002
What sauce would you guys recommend for the show?
>>71942275
BakaBT.
>>71942247
FLCL IS COMING OF AGE HORSESHIT, THE ENTIRE GENRE IS GARBAGE
HIGH BUDGET FLUID ANIMATION THOUGH, BUT MOST OVAS HAVE THAT
WATCH MEMORIES INSTEAD, STINK BOMB IS THE GOAT
>>71942377
>STINK BOMB IS THE GOAT
It's the weakest of the three.
>>71942377
Coming of age isn't a genre and it doesn't make any sense to say that every coming of age story must be shit.
>>71942410
ITS THE BEST BECAUSE ITS THE LEAST TRYHARD AND MOST ENJOYABLE
>>71942377
Oh look another pleb who can't appreciate the best anime from the century.
>>71942247
I hated it too
And I'm the biggest dick sucker to gainax
>>71942417
EVERY COMING OF AGE STORY IS SHIT
>>71942432
>FLCL
>GOOD
LMAO
>>71942477
>EVERY COMING OF AGE STORY IS SHIT
Maybe it's time to stop being thirteen years old.
>>71942438
>>71942377
Okay, so at least I'm not alone here. It just seemed like randumb "Oh, rook, pantsu!" shit.
>>71942503
>thirteen years old
AKA THE COMING OF AGE FAGGOTS
>>71942559
I was referring to you.
>>71940942
Where did you go, legitimate-discussion-kun? ;_; I miss u
>>71942555
There is literally nothing random, incoherent or nonsensical about FLCL. Where did this meme come from?
>>71942617
>nothing random, incoherent, or nonsensical.
Sorry, it's been a little while, I last watched it on Adult Swim in like...2008 or something, so this might not be a very accurate critique. How in the hell, though, is "SUDDENLY! secret space police force girl runs over the MC with a a Vespa and whacks him with her guitar in the head!" Not nonsensical or random?
The thing is, I really liked some of the parts with the MC just hanging out with his family, and the weird commercial-esque art style was really neat.
Some of the fallen coming of age/puberty metaphors were a little heavy-handed(Wow! He sees a hot girl, then she makes him grow a horn that spits out weird shit!), which is weird, because reading back on it, the director threw in some really cool imagery like the iron shaped building, etc.
I don't know if what he envisioned was lost in the dub, or maybe I was just a little too immature to respect it back then.
>>71942924
I have no idea why the word fallen is in that sentence, by the way. I'm retarded.
>>71937548
of Ghibli
Grave of the Fireflies>Mononoke>Spirited Away>Kiki's Delivery Service>Whisper of the Heart>Only Yesterday>Nausicaa>Porco Rosso>Totoro>Princess Kaguya>The Wind Rises>the rest
>>71943021
Wrong.
Spirited Away>Nausicaa>Laputa: Castle in the Sky>Mononoke Princess>Totoro>Grave of the Fireflies>Porco Rosso>rest
>>71943252
Oh shit, Ponyo between Laputa and Mononoke
>>71943252
oh fuck how could I forget Laputa
fixed:
Grave of the Fireflies>Mononoke>Spirited Away>Laputa>Kiki's Delivery Service>Whisper of the Heart>Only Yesterday>Nausicaa>Porco Rosso>Totoro>Princess Kaguya>The Wind Rises>the rest
>>71937548
Definitely one of my favorites.
>>71943021 >>71943252 >>71944882
ALL OF THIS IS WRONG
ITS:
PORCO ROSSO > *
THE QUALITY OF A MIYAZAKI FLICK IS PROPORTIONAL TO ITS AMOUNT OF FLYING SCENES
>>71938681
I prefer subs but reading means you aren't watching the movie.
>>71937818
>That's not even the best Oshii-kino
That's right, because that would be pic related and the sequel
>>71945028
That's not how subs work unless you are completely unaccustomed to reading them.
Nausicaa isshe killed millions.
Everybody knows Princess Mononoke was better.
The dub for Nausicaa annoys me because they give her monologue where there isn't any at the beginning and actually insert "God" into her speech.
Picture related is animation kino
Your chinese cartoons are on the save level as the average modern young adult book are lower than flicks you parasite
>>71940046
>Not "Kill Wyvern" scene
I think this is one of the most tense scenes I have ever scene, and it had next to no action.
Also, the fact they used real airmen and women for the radio chatter makes it immersive as fuck.
>>71945062
You must not watch many subbed works if you've never had something subtitled at the same time some shot was only only screen for two seconds and then had to rewind to take it in.
>>71945028
>reading means you aren't watching the movie.
yes if you are 8 years old and just learned to read
>>71945143
I read things with the spoken lines so I don't get ahead.
>>71945108
You don't know anything about anime.
>>71945141
All I ever watch is subbed anime.
Yes sometimes it's necessary to rewind but if you think reading subs means you aren't watching anything else it means you aren't able to read subs properly.
Not the "greatest", whatever that means, but definitely one of the most memorable and deserves a honorary mention.
>>71937818
>Jin-Roh
I like the armor designs, but they laid the Little Red Riding Hood element on more than a bit too thick for it to be clever or to resonate. I didn't like it and honestly can't see how others do beyond "woah, skull armor Nazis are so cool".
>>71945175
>reading subs means you aren't watching anything else
That's exactly why it's >necessary to rewind
>>71945223
You don't know how to read subs properly.
>>71945175
>You don't know anything about anime.
You don't know anything about the art of cinema or kino.
>>71945253
then why did you admit it's sometimes necessary to rewind?
>>71945175
>Yes sometimes it's necessary to rewind
Seriously people in this thread act as if you need some kind of university degree to read subtitles. What country are you guys from, where reading is such a foreign concept?
>>71945259
Nothing I said indicates that. Your post on the other hand indicates that you don't know anything about anime.
>>71945253
THAT
YOU KINDA DEFOCUS YOUR EYES A BIT AND PASSIVELY ABSORB THE SUBS
ITS A SKILL YOU ACQUIRE WHEN YOU GRADUATE TO PRO WEEB
FUCK LEARNING NIP THOUGH, THAT SCENE IS THE TRUEST OF SHITSHOWS
>GIRUGAMESH
>>71942377
>Hates FLCL
>likes Stinkbomb
So conflicted whether to hate or not.
>>71945296
Watch the first episode of Lucky Star (I just rewatched it yesterday) and tell me you don't miss anything if you read all of the subtitles without rewinding.
>>71942247
Subs won't save it if u already hatin'. Try Dead Leaves instead.
>>71945423
I don't recall having any issues with Lucky Star.
>>71945108
>hot opinions
Running Man is the best piece of animation ever.
>>71937548
It would make an amazing libe action fantasy film with a true strong female lead. Could inspire girls to be something more then just a woman studies major. She's so awesome a fighter, scientist and environmentalist what more could you ask for. She's the role model girls deserve and the one they need right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH5sacgeY5Q
>>71945496
Female leads of all sorts already exist in Western media.
>kino
I'm gonna do something else other than participate in this thread
>>71945259
>I know you are but what am I?
Plumbing the depths of a true animation connoisseur, Kek.
I'd like to see the difference in how the brain lights up for watching subs vs watching dubs.
>>71945705
It wouldn't light up at all for dubfags.
>>71937548
That's not Mononoke (the series).
>>71945593
But in this case it is actual literal Kino
>>71945549
True but she's a solo lead who doesn't puff up her chest with pride and screams at you woman stronk! Like that bitch in zero dark thirty.
>>71942611
I just read three volumes of Devilman-Lady then decided to check the thread one more time before going to bed to see if there's any potential for real discussion around.
>>71945200
Here's some.
Jin-Roh is my least favourite of the Kerberos movies but it's still got a lot going on for it. The score is still quite solid and on the visual side while there's nothing as out there as in The Red Spectacles and the colour that gave Stray Dogs:Kerberos Panzer Cops its unique tone is absent Jin-Roh does its own thing well enough for me to respect it. It's in colour but the whole movie looks very subdued and hazy throughout which I thought was interesting and lended a general atmosphere of dreary mugginess to the whole thing which suited the themes of gloomy espionage and brooding inner turmoil quite nicely.
And the Little Red Riding Hood motif felt quite on-the-nose but it doesn't really bother me because it's not what comes to mind when I think about the movie. The movie's about Fuse and whether he's a man or a wolf, hence the title (Jin-Roh means Man-Wolf). Not really a wolf of course but whether he's a man who will do what he sees as 'right' by himself or society or whatever else he puts faith in, or a wolf, for whom the only 'right' is what's right by his pack and serves their survival. On its own this doesn't sound like a whole lot and it really isn't, which is why I think all of the somewhat confusing inter-police intrigue adds to the movie. When we aren't even entirely sure who Fuse's pack is, or if he's loyal to anybody at all it makes the question much more interesting. [one more post]
>>71946050
And now that I think about it Red Riding Hood works well for the movie's ending because not only do we know how the story ends, but the characters do too. After Red Riding Hood sees her kind grandmother for what she really is the wolf eats her. And at the end of Jin-Roh Kei understands how deep The Wolf Brigade runs and what has to happen to her and so does Fuse. Neither of them want it but they can't stop it.
It's a pretty simple motif but it adds a nice tone of tragedy to the story by implying that what happens was inevitable. I think that the movie actually used it fairly well thinking back now, but then I also haven't seen the movie for a while. I'll have to again soon.
And one more thing, if you didn't know women wearing red was a theme in Kerberos before Jin-Roh, so it's nice that they tried to preserve elements of the earlier films even though they weren't too popular.
>>71938681
If an Anime takes place in Japan or heavily uses Japanese culture I will watch Subs. In all other cases I prefer the English dub.
Not to mention there are several instances where the English dub is far superior to the Japanese version.
>>71946232
As usual dubfags have no respect for the original work.
>>71946232
>several instances
Half a dozen at best
Watching this animê atm senpai
>>71946369
Cobra is really patrician, Australia
![huevo+9[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/2NCry7s.jpg "huevo+9[1].jpg")
ctrl + f: Angel's egg
ctrl + f: Tenshi no Tamago
0 Results for both
Git gud, /tv/
>>71946050
>>71946169
Oh yeah, I agree with you on the score.
Your other reasons are pretty much just further explanations of why I dislike it though, different strokes for different people I guess.
>>71937583
This, the comic is a masterpiece, movie had to cut toom uch shit, but is still a great kino.
Nausicaa is one of the worst Ghibli movies and is thoroughly mediocre.
>>71937548You guys should check out "The Princess Who Loved Insects" by Suzuki Dogezaemon. Parts 2 and 3 were the best.
I prefer Fantastic Planet.
Also, dubs are never acceptable. Subs>Dubs always.
>>71942924
FLCL is a quiet show invaded by the craziness that is Haruko. It's not random and it's a running motif throughout the whole show. It balances melancholic introspection with crazy antics. Pure Gainax ethos.
>>71937548
That's Princess Mononoke. The manga of Nausicaa is better than Mononoke, but within the movies, I thought that Nausicaa was too preachy and had a message of "humans are trash and deserve to be wiped out by the righteous and borderline holy nature". Whereas Princess Mononoke has the message that both man and nature need to find a balance between them and at the end Ashitaka says that the Forest Spirit (God) "is telling us both [humans and nature] to live".
>>71937818
> Pinnochio (1940)
Literally my favorite Disney movie
> >Wings of Honneamise: The Royal Space Force (1987)
Just watched this a couple of days ago. Pretty good. Some people seem to have a problem with the sexual assault scene and claims that it keeps the film from being a masterpiece. I think it was appropriate and worked.
>>71948521
>the sexual assault scene
I personally found it strange and out of place, but that also made me think I was missing something. I'm curious what your thoughts on it are.
>>71945069
She might have doomed the human race at the end of the manga.
>>71937818
>Belladonna of Sadness
Legit great film. I went in knowing about it because it was airing in a small theater in my town and got the most pleasant surprise of the year.
>>71940046
awesome stuff. the music especially. Gives me a Ace Combat 3 vibe.
>>71948626
The scene is kind of vague and open to various interpretations. Shiro was finally feeling the pressure from everything (guilt about the money not going to the poor, his conscience stirred by the religious text he had been reading, and anxiety from the impending rocket launch) weigh down on him. I'm assuming Shiro thought Riquinni earned the money that was in her shoe through questionable means and that led to him having further doubts, as he did stop talking to her afterwards.
He might have been questioning how genuine her devotion to her religion was. Plus he probably thought there was a good chance he was going to die and wanted the touch of a woman one more time (first time?). Not excusing his actions, but it does complement his descent into despair. Manna didn't act all that surprised when stuff happened, Riquinni did mention something about an uncle buying Manna clothing, and I don't think street preaching paid the bills. But then again I'd like to think Riquinni wasn't doing anything against her religious beliefs. I'm planning on watching the movie again soon. I'll see if my thoughts change any.
And Shiro did realize what he was trying to do was wrong and later tried to apologize for it. He just had a brief lapse in judgment. Stress can do that to you.
>>71941602
Sailor Moon is good stuff. And yes it's inherent weirdness is perhaps its greatest strength.
There is something uniquely satisfying about it...something I can't quite put my finger on. The storytelling is so simple and effective, the pacing steady and extremely comfy.
having recently watched all 200 eps, and then started on Crystal...much of the charm is just not there - largely due to the pacing. If anything Crystal is the argument FOR "filler".
>>71949162
>money falls out of shoe
prostitutes in japan during wartime used to put their money in their shoes, I think it's a reference to that
>>71941285
when sailor moon is directed by Kunihiko Ikuhara it's great
>>71949162
Are you seriously analysing Wings of honneamise? The only interpretation of this piece of shit is perversion. It doesn't convey anything other than sickness. Same with Evangelion. Why are these constantly brought up? Are you retarded?
>>71946508
>Angel's Egg
This you fucking plebs
>>71937548
>Ghibli
>Not Satoshi-Kon
Sorry guys I'm an expert on anime here I've seen at leaast 10 and looked at the reccomended anime kinos on a 4chan infograph and can conclude the best flicks are angels egg, sadness of belladonna and wings of honnemaise despite having no knowlage whatsoever
>>71937568
akira is a horrible movie that is literal 2deep4u trash. and people say Evangelion was intentionally made to be hard to follow ...
>>71939057
>Jin-Roh is trash
Shitty bait
>>71949162
Interesting, thanks. I had some of the same thoughts, but I think the part I didn't understand was her reaction after. I guess she was just in denial or something?
I haven't watched it in a while and might watch it again soon as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAMtmK7ObkA
>>71937548
>TFW its not Angels Egg
>Pure Kino
Grave of the Fireflies
FLCL
5cm Per Second
Only Yesterday
My Neighbours The Yamadas
Ernest and Celestine
>>71950138
> I didn't understand was her reaction after. I guess she was just in denial or something?
She thought highly of him and I'm sure she knows everyone makes mistakes/has their flaws. Up until that point he had been pretty good guy and they shared the same interests. How many other people accepted her beliefs like he did? He was the guy going to space.
And she might have noticed that he froze after he realized what he was doing, but she was understandably freaked out and hit him anyway. She is religious and forgiveness is usually a major component of religion. I definitely think the morning after scene could have been handled a little better, but it doesn't ruin the movie.
>>71951402
Wow, you are so insightful about human emotions; you're almost not an autist. Have tv shows convinced you that endlessly picking apart motivations and reactions of characters is good analysis of film?
>>71939057
Excuse me?
>>71951763
My bad. How dare someone have a serious discussion about a movie on /tv/. It's apparently a sign of autism to talk about why a character did x or y. Back to declaring that Dawn of Justice is kino and commenting on the occasional porn topic I guess.
>ctrl-f
>no tekkonkenkreet
Are you fucking kidding me
>>71952037
I think that's called a false dichotomy. Your "serious discussion" is more suited to soap operas. This thread started with a great film and you are seriously discussing garbage.
>>71952621
>S-stop thinking about things
I'm sorry his discussion wasn't profound enough for you
>>71952621
What is good analysis of film and why is RSF garbage? Lead the way.
>>71941923
Madoka is poor man's Utena, which WAS the real deconstruction of shoujo in the period of genre glory instead of shit 'ironic' memefest sucking on memories of classic shoujo tropes like these in sailor moon
Miyazaki is a cuck. Indonesian cave drawings are interesting for the exact reasons he said it's a mistake: ultra-violent, sexist, absurd, and no pandering to jews and feminists. Miyazaki is the equivalent of that watered down new age version of Celtic folk music that plays in hippie housewife bookstores. He sanitizes the medium for white liberal NPR listeners who are neurotic about the ideological hygiene of their entertainment media.
>le strong womyn protagonist
>save the whales
>mankind is bad cuz pollution n stuff
>war is bad
I have a penis so none of that resonates with me
>>71952944
this 2bh
>>71945069
Nausicaa is the closest I've ever seen a character come towards being a Mary Sue without directly stepping over the line
>>71942477
>never knows best
What the fuck is this even mean
English is not my first language though
>>71952944
He's just a commie.
>>71953356
whoever came up with it said they just thought it sounded cool
>>71952755
Honestly, I watched Wings of Honneamise a long time ago, so I can't remember it too well. From what I remember, I'd say the film's theme is corruption. Everything from the art style to subplots fits that. Mission is about sending man into "virgin" territory (sorry if I'm wrong about the plot). So, seriously discussing the rape scene (and film), you would have to relate it to the theme or meaning of the whole film. That guy was just, basically, retelling the scene in more and more detail without any final point.
>>71953356
ITS TYPICAL TEENAGE ANGST
WHICH IS WHY COMING OF AGE STORIES ARE UNEQUIVOCALLY SHIT
>>71952944
>compensating this hard
>>71949994
Akira is like a thousand pages of manga made not even 2 hour film, made with 80's japanese narrative. Of course it'd be hard to follow
The bait here is actually pretty tame, not what I'm used to
Has anyone watched Saint Seiya's movies? Shinku no Shonen Densetsu and Tenkai Hen are pretty amazing, at least for their soundtrack and animation porn
>>71937548
Yes.
>>71954633
True, but the retardation to defend any dubbing by certain people itt could be considered bait, but perhaps it's funnier to believe these 'people' are for real.
>>71937548
nah miyazaki movies are tryhard disney flicks
Fantasia towers over pretty much everything tbqh. I can think of excellent animations, and even some other masterpieces, but not of a worthy enough contender to top it. As in the horror genre with TTCSM, it's the fantastic phenomenon of lightning in a bottle happening.
>>71953356
don't worry, it's actual gibberish
>>71937548
I like the manga where she gets fucked by aliens
>>71952944
But spirited away, howls moving castle and laputa aren't like that, they're my favorites by far so I win..
yes
Would you recommend reading the Nausicaa manga first? Or does it not really matter?
>>71939057
nice bait. have a (you). hope you enjoy it.
>>71937818
Angel's Egg is essential Oshicore.
and yeah, GitS2 felt much more like P.K. Dick novel than a simple Shirow manga.
so you like this shit but transformers no?
>>71956289
I like Transformers :^)
>>71950306
>>71946508
have a (you) my patrician kinobros.
>>71949408
it's simply a comfy show. perfect balance of comedy, drama and teen coming of age bullshit.
also sailor suits make my dick diamonds.
>>71955903
this can't be real.
>>71956982
oh, it's real
>>71957167
delete this
Inferno Cop is pure kino desu
Akira, Ghost in the Shell, and End of Evangelion; the holy trinity of animekino
>>71957480
Of them, only Evangelion belongs, and preferably in the combo series+film. Quality wise, Akira and GITS aren't even top 20 anime.
