Faction Paradox edition
Gobbled by Lolita: >>71837543
Reminder Gareth hates 6, 7 and 12 and thought they were miscast.
This is a great photo.
It's not a glamour shot or anything, she's fully dressed, yet it still really "does it for me" if you know what I mean. Definitely some spongy erectile tissue filling with blood. The way she seems overwhelmed by all the things she's carrying, it's almost as if she's in mild distress. You just want to take everything off her hands and tousle her hair. The fact that the material of her tee-shirt is so soft and flimsy, and is also being pulled tight against the right breast by the strap of her handbag. The slightly parted lips and sideways glance. Her girlishly bare legs and innocent, frowsy, sandals. The crowning achievement of the photographer was to capture her in the act of grabbing her handbag and some article of clothing she must have shrugged off earlier. The position of her hand, almost directly over her groin, makes her look like a Greek nymph in a classical painting who has been surprised while bathing. A nymph trying, but not too hard, to preserve some modesty by demurely holding a piece of fabric over her mons pubis.
It's pictures like these that remind me that Western Civilization is still worth saving.
>>71850406
Very true. I think the best trailer was definitely Series 5's.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x30xxkn
>>71850755
>You were listening, of course.Listen!
>>71850755
Have "Spinning Jenny" and whatever the other new book is called, been released?
>>71850869
I have no context for this conversation, but agree this is the best Doctor Who trailer ever cut.
>>71850820
Reminder that Gareth hates Capaldi now but once said
>I got the rushes sent to me every day and I was punching the air at the performances of Peter, Jenna and Sam.
>>71850926
Yep, because he's hardly likely to slag it off, is he? Also he felt 12 was miscast, so wrote him to his own tastes in The Caretaker, but obvs didn't like anything else of 12.
This could have redeemed Journey's End but it lead to fucking nothing
https://youtu.be/vtxnaxAZfnE
>>71851001
He was singing a different tune on twitter when Series 8 was airing. Something happened behind the scenes, or he got butthurt about not being asked back for series 9. He didn't complain about Capaldi's Doctor being too scary and mean until later, oddly considering that's when Capaldi's Doctor lightened up.
>>71851086
I'd discount the "butthurt" option cos he didn't write for Series 7, and didn't kick up a fuss then. So something else happened for sure.
>>71851001
>Roberts doesn't like 12 because he's not 'nice' but is pretty much the only writer to write him acting like a petty asshole
12 in the Caretaker was just one dimensionally grumpy
>>71851175
He wrote a skit with Matt/Jenna for one of the 50th shows, but was otherwise too busy with the Shada book to do an episode.
>>71850869
This is just such a solid piece of editing in general.
You can see how intelligently considered every single cut is, the way it flows from image to image (e.g. the Doctor shooting a catapult at something -> the window being broken by vampires -> vampire dude waving a torch -> the Doctor waving a sonic), the timing of action to the beat of the music, combining lines with images (e.g. Doctor saying "hold tight" just as River blasts the airlock), the way it uses moments of high action at just the right times to build excitement.
We haven't had anything like it before or since desu.
>>71851216
Still, I don't think he'd have kicked up a fuss, given the chance he might've been instead asked back for Series 10 (which, now, he's just burnt all bridges for the foreseeable). If he hadn't been asked back for Series 10, then I could see him getting pissy about it.
Maybe he asked Moffat about Series 9 and had a heated exchange, leading to a fall-out? As opposed to him just saying "fair enough, no room for me this year but I'll keep quiet and hope to return for Series 10")
>>71851292
I wish he'd come out and say it. If not outright then something subtle, but stick to his guns at least. He either blocks people or claims he's only joking when asked about some of his comments.
Maybe Capaldi asked Moffat to erase Gareth
Maybe Gareth is a fat bitter fuck
>>71851292
I think this is probably what happened. Moffat probably rejected his story idea or just didn't bother contacting him and now hes mad.
They should have 12 regenerate into the valeyard. Full on Doctor evil. Bill then highjacks the tardis and makes a run for it when she realizes what 12 has become. Shes alone isolated. Tardis alarm starts going off. Tardis crashes. Ends up on an alien planet She walks for a bit comes across an old farm house. Comes across an older version of 11. One who survived the events of time of the doctor and returned to galifrey to live out his final days.The planet turns out to be galifrey but in an alternate universe. She explains to 11.1 what happened. 11.1 realizes ok this is bad. Series 11 they team up and search for the valeyard and attemp to restore balance to the universe.
>>71851836
>One who survived the events of time of the doctor
Er, how?
>>71851836
sorry, think you're looking for fanfiction.net
I rewatched Bill's intro video for the first time since April. I was nervous about doing so.
I shouldn't have been. Even though the dialogue isn't Moffat on his prime form, Pearl is actually really charming and charismatic with it, it got a chuckle out of me. I can see in her line readings exactly why they thought she'd be a good choice.
>>71852036
I'm not convinced by her presence or skill yet but as it's such a terrible bit I'm not gonna write her off yet.
>>71852141
It's not even that terrible a bit desu, and I was one of the people trying to remind everyone that it was one of the audition sketches. I remembered it as way worse than it actually is.
>>71850899
Not yet, they're still concentrating on that Target charity anthology. Probably get a release date soon though
>>71850755
>Faction Paradox edition
Onto episode 2 of Underworld and my God is it ugly. Is this episode he ugliest episode ever? All the sets are just dark or just awful cgi. The characters are boring and nothing seems to be happening at all. This honestly may be the worst story I've seen...
>>71852730
Hey, at least RTD's cum isn't smeared on the cameras like in series 1.
>>71852730
I told you it gets worse m8
>>71852886
It is terrible, gonna keep watching. I'm surprised though, I actually enjoyed part 1 quite a lot.
>>71852977
Me too, that's the only part I really remember anything of, the little bit of Time Lord lore and the situation on the spaceship seems promising enough. Then it dumps you in some caves made of shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QiR684csQA
>Doctor Who - Ultimate Battle: The Doctor vs Empress Rachnoss - BBC
>Ultimate Battle
What about this scene is ultimate, or a battle?
>>71853648
what the fuck am I watching?
>>71854283
NOooOAOAOoaoOOOAOAOOWWW
MYYYY CHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEELDRREEEEEAAAAOOWOAWHWANNNNN
>>71853648
Well it is their final encounter, so I guess it's "ultimate" in that sense.
>>71854325
>>71851836
>They should have 12 regenerate into the valeyard.
No. I wouldn't mind the Valeyard coming back in some form but he should be something more akin to Handy, not a full incarnation.
>>71850820
>Gareth hates 6
/who/ is dead in its bed.
>>71858818
>The line's gone by the time the camera script is prepared
>Often the case when 5th Dr in danger of saying something interesting
I guess we can add 5 to the list. >>71850820
>>71858913
Yeah, I think his other miscast Doctor was Davison, not McCoy.
>>71859101
Huh? 5 didn't like his companions? I mean yeah he got agitated by Adric in some episodes but its not like hated him.
The real reason he hates Capaldi.
>>71859343
I don't see what he means.
>>71859343
Post rare Gareths
>>71859408
Why does he look so creepy in this photo? It's like his head is photoshopped on.
>>71859507
his head looks about ready to hatch
>>71850755
What's this about Smith coming back?
>>71859682
Stupidity
>>71859682
utterly unsubstantiated bollocks
>>71859682
It's BS. Literally one random guy on twitter making stuff up and somehow it spread around everywhere.
>>71859408
goo goo g'joob.
>>71859682
Money.
>>71859682
Why was he so ugly in Series 6?
I think its clear hes had a fallen out with Moffat for whatever reason. All these little jabs every so often at him the show and even Capaldi now.
>>71859682
I'd welcome his return, but Tennant should be the one coming back.
>>71859780
>but Tennant should be the one coming back.
Why?
>>71859682
tfw he comes back but with a completely different personality than 11
>>71859775
He just doesn't like the idea of muh dark, serious Doctor.
>>71859808
Because he's the best. Can even balance out shitty writing with how great he is.
>>71859819
But he wrote him the most one dimensionally grumpy/angry in S8 compared to every other writer. That PE stuff was just dumb desu.
>>71859808
>>71859845
Also, Chibnall worked with him on Broadchurch, so he's probably his favorite.
>>71859881
But that's why he's not good at writing an edgy doc, he doesn't like the idea.
>>71859819
But that's not even what he complains about. He's made digs about 12 playing guitar and trying to be cool, said 12's smiling made him hide behind his sofa, hated the little dance he did in Flatline. He just doesn't seem to like Capaldi in the role.
>>71859845
>Can even balance out shitty writing with how great he is.
No he can't, this meme has never had anything to do with reality. Bad Tennant episodes are every bit as insufferable as bad episodes under other Doctors.
>>71859954
When did he complain about Capaldi playing Guitar?
>>71859956
The show's popularity at the time despite the number of poorly-written episodes suggests otherwise.
Daily reminder. This will happen if the new Doctor is a woman or minority.
>>71860119
If Doctor Who only sustains itself on white supremacism then it deserves to die.
>>71859408
>>71858818
Just looked this guy up. I think he was made for us.
>Roberts also co-wrote, with Russell T Davies, "Invasion of the Bane"
>>71860003
https://twitter.com/OldRoberts953/status/704343634825629697
he's posted this a few times in response to discussions talk about 12 playing guitar but twitter won't let me go back farther than this
>>71860119
No, the ratings would spike at first and where they went from there would depend on how good the actor was.
>>71860646
You know what would happen. Critic would praise it, but every straight man would stop watching.
>>71860744
What makes you think so?
>>71860299
Why does putting Gareth's face on Matt make him look like a dwarf
>>71860838
Because Gareth is really three dwarfs in an egg costume.
What does /who/ even think of Gareth's stories? I thought The One Doctor and The Lodger are great. Not so much The Shakespeare Code.
>>71861413
I think all his tv episodes are either mediocre or crap. His SJA eps are a bit better. I like the Shada novelisation. Haven't read any of his other novels.
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Lodger_(comic_story)
>>71861413
Agreed, The Lodger is max comfy while it's almost impressive how many levels The Shakespeare Code manages to be shite on. The Unicorn and the Wasp is pretty comfy as well, but I don't find any of his other tv eps particularly notable.
During the recording of the footage of the maggots around the quarrysite, several of the maggot props were in fact inflated condoms (some inflated with air, others with water). The colliery used for filming was Ogilvie Colliery near Deri, Caerphilly, while Global Chemicals was the RCA International factory in Brynmawr. The script required the Doctor to state that the maggots have "thick chitinous skin". Pertwee asked Producer Barry Letts how to pronounce the word, and Letts, unaware of the term, told him to pronounce the first syllable "chit", rather than the more correct "kite". Two days after Episode 4 was broadcast, Letts received a letter consisting simply of the words, "The reason I'm writin'/Is how to say kitin.
>>71862352
>Two days after Episode 4 was broadcast, Letts received a letter consisting simply of the words, "The reason I'm writin'/Is how to say kitin
The way this is phrased reminds me of when serial killers write letters to newspapers.
>>71862688
only sociopaths omit trailing quotes
>>71864219
is that from the new star wars?
>>71864566Yes but it looks pretty dr who tier so I posted it here for the purposes of funposting and rusing.
>>71864610I'm not sorry that I saw through your chicanery and exposed you for the rascal that you are. Ha ha you can't fool me!
>>71861477
Gareth was OK in SJA, but he has nothing on Phil Ford.
>>71865884
Curse you anon! You have foiled my shenanigans!
Can /who/ give me a recap of what happened in parts 1-3 of ...Ish I listened to them spaced out between three weeks and then I never finished it. Last time I listened was about 3 months ago. Want to get it over and get to the next audio and then probably lose interest again.
>>71865884
>>71864566
You are a massive piece of shit for using these pictures. Burn in Hell.
>>71866665
>>71866818
It's the girl who recently died from cancer.
>>71866833
Oh. That is unfortunate.
>>71866890
It's heartless and being an utterly cunt. Poor form and bad taste all around. The poor kid wasn't even 18 IIRC. This is disgusting. I know we're on 4chan but this doesn't mean human decency and respect has gone AWOL. Fuck's sake.
>>71866960
Calm down anon. You're making a big deal out of nothing. What's so terrible about posting a picture of someone who has since died?
>>71859751
It's the military greatcoat, didn't really work with the bow tie
Probably the worst look for any new-who doc
>>71867662
>>71867687
How is this relevant to dr who?
>>71866992
What's great about it then? What do you get out of it? It's disgusting.
>>71867717
Pearl Mackie is in Doctor Who.
>>71867717
The new companion is against democracy. This all but confirms that Peter Harness is returning for Series 10.
>>71867725
Please tell me how it is disgusting? Is this picture of the late William Hartnell disgusting?
>>71867869
[TRIGGERED]
>>71867869
Someone on /who/ thinks they knew this girl personally and they are experiencing autism grief.
Someone using a recently deceased young person's photos as reaction images on 4chan is pretty obviously in poor taste.
>>71868048
I don't see how but whatever. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
https://twitter.com/bbcdoctorwho/status/752458385459712000
Spot the stalker
>>71868132
Official Who's twitter CM is one of us !
>>71868077
Thanks, but I already read it.
So uh yah.... /who/ ...Ish parts 1-3, what the fuck is that shit about?
>>71867869
He didn't die a week ago and wasn't 18 when he did but nice try.
>>71867963
It's just bad taste and obviously shows no respect to her.
>>71868071
Then you have no education.
>>71868249
>>71868269
Typical mong reply. Sometimes I wonder if monganon isn't right about you.
>>71868249
Get over it m8. The more you get triggered, the more likely people are to post them.
>>71868286
He most definitely is m8.
>>71868286
So you want /who/ to burn with mongo because someone said something you didn't like? Get the fuck over it. The girl died and no one here but you gives a fuck.
>>71868313
They don't genuinely give a fuck. They're just using it as an excuse to start a shitty off topic argument. Classic monganon.
>>71868313
Did you get triggered? I said he's right about you being worthless pieces of shit.
>>71868288
Yeah there's no use at this point.
>>71868332
In fact I would not be at all surprised to find that they were the one that posted the pictures in the first place.
Can the edgelords please leave, or tone down the edge.
>>71868359
kk, here, enjoy some Osgood
>>71868359
There's no edge. Just someone pretending to be triggered so they can start a silly argument.
>>71868359
Just let it go m8, they're cunts and deserve to get exactly the same thing she got.
>>71868386
>There's no edge
>>71868313
>Get the fuck over it. The girl died and no one here but you gives a fuck.
>>71868439
That's not edge it's stating a fact. Anyway monganon, I think you've had your fill of (you)s for today.
>>71868463
Oh wow careful there. Not to cut yourself on that edge.
>>71868463
Okay, /b/uddy.
So... um... like who's your favourite Dr Who?
And the based janitor strikes again.
>>71868621
The 4th Doctor, also known as Tom Baker
>pic related
>select all images with a lighthouse
>>71868679
Nah, I deleted it myself because I thought it was a bit too edgy.
>>71868686
He was a good Dr Who. I liked him.
>>71868705
Either you have finally developed a bit of human decency or you're lying. One of them is obviously not possible.
>>71868730
Okay.
>>71868740
>>71868705
>he cut himself on that edge
Too late, how does it feel to know you're gonna go and suffer in Hell?
>last screencap I posted was from the banshee
>confirmed for /who/ poster
>>71869472
That is the worst rule I have ever seen. It's literally muh sekret club.
>>71869472
What was it? Like do they actively monitor /who/?
>>71869509
It was this.
>>71869544
How do they tell who posted it?
Has GB ever given a reason as to why they're so autistic about being a secret club?
Will they ever know you were the one to screencap something if you wait some time before posting it?
>>71869544
That was like yesterday m8. They ARE here.
>>71869563
I got banned for the same reason, it's pretty stupid. You can't even screencap your own fucking posts and show them elsewhere, by their rules.
>>71869561
Well they can probably tell who was browsing the thread at the time when I posted the screencap here. But that means one of the admins is here looking for them. Possibly still lurking from last year with the fake spoilers.
>>71869621
>yfw the GB mods take shifts monitoring /who/ just in case a screencap shows up
>>71869638
I hope they hate every second of it.
>>71869621
>>71869567
>>71869627
They have like some sort of tracer on the screenshot and they can know where the picture is posted to. They're not actually here.
>>71869671
>They have like some sort of tracer on the screenshot and they can know where the picture is posted to
Do you have a source on that information
>>71869671
>hey have like some sort of tracer on the screenshot
no they don't
>>71869671
>They have like some sort of tracer on the screenshot
That's not possible unless there was a button on their site to take a screenshot. I'm using an outside program.
>>71869657
>>71869638
most likely there are some GB members also here on 4chan, and they go sucking up to the GB admins by reporting people.
>>71869638
Also there was a guy recently who said the character names of the characters in the S10 opener were "safe" and that it "rang alarm bells". The Banshee made a post how S10 writers "safe" and "rang alarm bells"...
>>71869657
>mfw adam hasn't appeared yet
>>71869712
>>71869701
>>71869697
IIRC they admitted to it last year.
>>71869671
>t. Gallifrey Base fearmongering team
>>71869731
Damn. Ya got me.
>>71869745
They are blatantly lying m8 to hid the fact they constantly browse other who forums for their own posts. It's not possible.
>>71869731
I have zero doubt that there are some unironic GBites among us. You can almost tell when they turn up, there's a certain GB writing style that always comes packaged in with the worst kinds of autism.
>>71869732
We need to get him to confess.
>>71869733
He was offered a tour by cats but literally ignored his tweet.
HAHAHAHA TOO LATE
I'VE GOT YOUR CRISPS NOW
>>71869768
I have an account and post fairly often there.
>>71869764
So you're telling me they're actually here?
>>71869821
>So you're telling me they're actually here?
Maybe not right now but they do check in for sure.
>>71869799
I don't need crisps man, do you have some molly man?
>>71869768
I got banned last year for posting these.
>>71869799
Shoo shoo nasty northerner!
I figure that the only way they can get a time frame on your screencap is by looking at when you post it, working off the assumption that you post it relatively soon after taking it, and then see who was viewing that page at that time. In theory, if you left a long enough interval between the capture and the post, they wouldn't be able to reliably narrow down the culprit.
I might be talking shit though.
>>71869858
>>71869861
NOOOOO STOP
NOT SUMS
ANYTHING BUT SUMS
MY ONE WEEEAAAKNEESSSS
YOU HAVEN'T HEARD THE LAST OF ME
I'LL BE BACK
AND I'LL BE TAKING YOUR CRISPS WHEN I DO
>>71869890
>In theory, if you left a long enough interval between the capture and the post, they wouldn't be able to reliably narrow down the culprit.
I believe this would be the case, but I don't have an account to try it out myself
>>71869890
Nah that's probably how its done. The Banshee probably got mad that people laughed at him calling gattis episodes classic and then reported the thread to one of the admins. I was also probably the only one browsing the thread at the time since it was late at night.
Cats is posting all his face pics again
>It's a GB episode
>>71869960
Who's that in the middle?
>>71869981
Phil Collinson
>>71869981
Phil Colon-son
>>71870001
Haha nice one.
>>71869994
Speaking of Phil. I once read on GB someone claimed that he was at the 50th Premiere and got mad at the ending where they saved Gallifrey because it "ruined" his era. Do you think that actually happened?
>>71870028
This is indeed true. He wasn't too happy with the retcon.
>>71870028
No.
His era was already shit.
>>71870038
>“The Day of the Doctor was a success. Record ratings, awards, rave reviews. By any measure, it did alright. But two years later, I’m still haunted by the guilt.”
>He continues: “I know some of you, including friends of mine, were upset that we reversed the outcome of the Time War. My defence, however feeble, is that given the chance, the Doctor would do exactly that. And it was his birthday, how could I deny him that chance? What could define him more? This man who always finds another way? And there he is, at every moment of his life, proving to himself – literally – that there is always a better path.
>“Ah, well. My heart was in the right place, at least. But in this job you always need two!”
>including friends of mine,
>>71870028
It's true. Wonder how RTD felt about it
>>71870130
He's haunted by the guilt of it being a load of shit.
>>71870130
>there is always a better path
I hate Moffat for that. Because he literally can't be arsed writing consequences. Sometimes even the best nicest characters have to make horrible decisions, but not in Moffatland!!! There's always a cheap way out ugh.
The 50th was a disgrace. Decent episode but Steven "I own the show" Moffat turned it into a PHUCKING 8TH ANNIVERSARY OF NEW WHO.
>>71870232
And took the Time War, something which RTD created and which hadn't been mentioned for ruddy ages, and basically shat all over it. Like he did with the entire show with Clara in the timestream.
>>71870186
I think it'd had gotten old imo. It became an easy way to insert some angst and drama. Ithought the part Inversion is the best it'd had been used since maybe Eccleston since it actually factored into the plot and resolution.
>>71870212
>Because he literally can't be arsed writing consequences.
What is the entire Capaldi era?
"There's always a better path" doesn't mean he can't write consequences, it means Doctor Who does not actually need to obsess itself over rehashings of the Trolley Problem and other narratives where mass slaughter is taken for granted. The whole point of having a superintelligent alien who can fly anywhere and contravene time and space is that he is the wild card element in every story, he brings something new and changes the stakes, and the result is it means you can have a more hopeful outcome.
>>71870265
But what did saving Gallifrey do? The Doc should've been happy, but 12 turned out as miserable as ever. So much for freeing him of angst and whatever else.
>>71870212
Yeah I agree. A magic solution every time makes it all pointless. Compromises and no-choice situations often arise.
>>71870153
I think I read an interview where they asked him about the 50th and he said it was fabulous or something. But I guess it's not like he would say it was bad even he thought so. At least not in an interview.
>>71870284
The Time War was one time the Doctor couldn't find a more hopeful outcome, and it became a big part of his overall story/character. But nope, 8 years after the event, oh look, he finds another way out! Yay for taking that away from us.
>>71870284
>What is the entire Capaldi era?
So far, it's been a build up to Clara's death, depicting how becoming like the Doctor has consequences. Then she dies. This is the consequence. Then she doesn't die and gets to fly away in a magic Cafe TARDIS with her sassy companion.
Moffat has a habit of creating great endings, then shitting on them. Amy and Rory is another example of this, they should've died jumping off the roof
>>71870320
Moff even cheapened it for me by making the War Doctor. 8 is already dead so has no choice, but he literally ignores the name of "the Doctor" and drinks a magic potion to be able to deal with the War, and then takes on the mantle of "the Doctor" again once it's done. It felt so cheap to me. It's on a par with saying if the Doc ever faces a horrible situation ever again, he can just say "right, I'm not the Doctor anymore", do the horrible deed, shun those memories and crack on. It feels like a shitty way out.
In my head, it was 8 in the Time War, as the Doctor... but as a hopelessly lost Doctor who had no choice but to fight, as opposed to drinking a magic warrior potion for a bit.
>>71870350
Exactly this. Moff tends to do something bold or great, but then chucks it all away episodes later.
>>71870338
B..but it's trapped in a pocket universe!
Oh no. There it is. It's back and without explanation.
>>71870420
Hey look, there's Rassilon, that utter fucker who tried to ascend to becoming a God and who became an outright monster.
Oh, okay, the Doctor told him to fuck off and, uh, he just... yep, he walked off and that was that. EH.
>>71870350
I didn't mind the Clara stuff as much as everyone else but I have to agree on Angels Take Manhattan. The suicide scene was really emotional. Amy chooses to go with Rory and then they die together. But then basically the exact same thing happens directly after except they go back in time. Rory also got really shafted. "Oh look my grave, oops"
>>71870381
He forced a new Doctor to force his regeneration reset.
There was no need to force all that in all at once.
>>71870338
>Yay for taking that away from us.
Oh no. Whatever will we fucking do without the abstract concept of the Doctor having had to do something terrible. We're lost, I tell you.
Moffat went to exhaustive pains to make sure none of the Doctor's characterisation since 2005 was actually unwritten. Half the special was about how the decision to destroy Gallifrey made the Doctor who he is in the new series. He even went as far as having 10 and 11 literally go up to War and accept their mutual guilt. What has meaningfully been 'taken away'? Sweet fuck all.
>>71870455
Yup, Moff always wanted to "solve" the 13 limit even though he wasn't there - more of him wanting to stamp his mark on everything, so Hurt provided the perfect opportunity for it.He would've done it anyway though, regardless. Even if Matt had still been 11, the end of Time of the Doc would've still granted him a new cycle in advance just so Moff could say he was the one to 'solve it'.
>>71870467
Go back to Gallifrey Base and lick Steven Hill's arse, you utter idiot. Moff did a magic retcon cos it was easier for him. Simple as that.
>>71870467
Day of the Doctor: 10 is literally bursting with joy that he gets to save the planet, omg squeeee yay!
One episode later, for him, The End of Time: "omg they're all utter fucking bastards, fuck the Time Lords, send them back into hell!"
Oh, but Moffat inserted "what about da poor kiddiwinks!" out of nowhere to justify it. What a load of balls.
>>71870501
Yup. I could have been done so much better and over time.
You could have created a new thing with different rules. Made it unpredictable. Made it dangerous.
You could have justified race/sex change in the new framework.
Moffucked.
Fuck Moffat. Hopefully Chibnall retcons his era and we can start fresh right after End Of Time.
>>71870350
>Then she dies. This is the consequence. Then she doesn't die and gets to fly away in a magic Cafe TARDIS with her sassy companion.
Sounds like an ideological dispute to me.
Moffat didn't actually think "becoming like the Doctor means YOU DIE, HAHA!" was a story worth telling. And frankly I agree.
This is not a meaningful message for audiences because the Doctor is not real. He is almost defined by his unreality. Furthermore, the Doctor is the hero of the show - he's been presented many times as something to aspire towards. For someone to want to be like him, die, and for the show to then go "welp you had it coming!" would seemingly contradict that.
What actually ends up happening? Because the Doctor and Clara had such a strong bond, the Doctor ended up breaking all kinds of rules (as is his way) in order to secure a different fate for her. And she ended up with a strange and melancholy one, but one that deliberately parallels the Doctor's own story. She transcended, becoming something just as unreal as he is.
If you tried to be like the Doctor in real life, you probably would die. But if you tried to be like the Doctor and he was your best friend, who's to say he wouldn't change things?
>>71852683
Rory and Amy are both shit characters though. I could not see a single aspect of them I liked. Rory was literally who and Amy was meme tier. The pregnancy arc and the 'meet my extended family arc' almost put me on a one way bus to the Doctor Who EU forever.
>>71870634
Fuck wrong quote. >>71870567
>>71870440
By then, the Doctor had the entire Gallifrey military on his side. Rassilon knew he was phucked.
>>71870631
Frankly, I wish we'd return to the days whereby companions left of their own accord and the Doctor was fine with it. The Ponds and Oswald exits were botched and shite, IMO. Wish they hadn't bothered. I actually preferred the Pond exit in The God Complex, to what we eventually got.
>>71870631
Piss off Phil
>>71870634
But Rory is based.
>>71870667
Both Clara and the Ponds got several perfectly fine exits, before the melomdramatic shit that turned out to be their final.
>>71870664
Would've been nice to see that play out more though, as opposed to being told that was the case. Where was the rest of the high council to revolt against Rassilon? All we saw were some shit villagers and about 10 random collared Time Lords stood in a row while Rassilon shouted a bit and then stormed off. Rassilon barely even fucking tried, and it was poor. Dalton would've raged against the Doctor and the entire planet if necessary to try and win.
>>71870699
Completely agreed. Moff seems to want his cake and eat it, and provide about 4 exits each to make everyone happy somehow.
>>71870667
Sadly YA fiction demands TRAGEDY!! at every stage.
The Doctor's special snowflake can't decide to leave as she's been built up as his One True Love, so the story has to be super contrived to get rid of her.
>>71866665
>the whole argument that follows from this
Some of the weakest bait I've ever seen. What has happened to /who/?
>>71870746
This is the problem when they build up the companion too much.
>>71870672
Never!
>>71870768
Yup. It's a hindrance.
>>71870704
Whole episode should have been 12 Vs Rassilon with the Clara stuff more towards the end and he eventually decides against bringing her back or something.
>>71870783
Phil likes candy!
>>71870796
Yup. It was rather a damp squib. Moff felt the Clara and Ashildr stuff was more interesting than the Gallifrey stuff, clearly. In which case, he shouldn't have bothered with the Gallifrey stuff. Or, as you say, the focus should've been better spread across the episode. The Doc literally only uses Gallifrey as a means to get Clara back, then fucks off again anyway. Waste of time.
>>71870765
What was bait?
No Americans /who/ is the best time of day.
>>71870837
The episode was GOAT until Rassilon gets kicked off.
>>71870924
I'm american ;)
>>71870924
As a British user I find other British users to frequently be cunts. The nicest /who/res are almost uniformly Europeans.
>>71870837
Maybe it's just me, but I'm not particularly interested in the Gallifrey stuff. And if I was, there's a wealth of classic Who/ audios and books to explore.
>>71870993
HALLO DAS ITS GARETH JA
>>71870879
>it's terrible and insulting to post pictures of someone who's dead
Anon obviously didn't even know she died, but it's an over-the-top stupid position anyway and obviously just trying to get a response.
>>71870924
>mfw American
>>71871021
Burn in Hell you miserable shit.
>American
Oh that explains your autism and lack of education then.
>>71871222
Trips for truth.
>>71871222
Nah cats is worse, m8. He's an Abbo.
>>71871222
Okie dokie.
Do the Clara fragments still exist?
>>71871336
Maybe.
>>71871336
probablyso she'll probably be back in S10
>>71870664
fuck hell bent was GOAT
does /who/ like Ingrid Oliver and her work outside of Doctor Who?
Apparently she's a comedian
>>71871480
It was up until the extraction chamber then it went very shit, very fast.
>>71871480
Hell, you are bent over fucking a goat, m8.
>>71871483
No. She's wooden and fake in everything I've seen her in.
Posting pictures of her will give you the same thing she had and you're gonna die in terrible terrible pain, a slow painful death.
>>71871635
What an odd thing to write.
