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Terminus - Mary Ridge was an appalling director and screwed up recording so badly it overran by an entire day.
>>71837688
I don't know who is worse. Her or Lisa Goddard. Terrible choice.
>>71837857
I always fancied Lisa Goddard until finding out she shagged Colin Baker, Alvin Stardust and Michael Grade.
Nah...
mfw he didn't bring any crisps today
Lmfao
>>71838246
what's so funny?
Billie back on the Charlie:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/1418916/billie-pipers-new-boyfriend-sniffs-coke-on-boozy-night-out-with-actress/
![nintchdbpict000250356153[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/VjjX8PF.jpg "nintchdbpict000250356153[1].jpg")
>>71838558
JUST
>>71838013
yeah that's offputting
she is a terrible actress though just so wooden and anodyne
another one of JNT's great ideas
>>71838597
jesus christ
chuck em
>>71838558
>has 4 year old and 7 year old kids
>outside till 2am smoking coke instead
JUST
>>71838597
Now that's what I call three bags full
>>71838608
light entertainment actress. friend of Michael Grade
bad casting
looks like roberts is laughing about davros again on twitter. definitely not working for moffat again. (he also made a dig at cyberwoman, but I suspect chibnall may agree with him on how awful that episode was)
>>71840245
fuck gareth
>>71838597
I feel sorry for her. What is she going to do now that Penny Dreadful ended?
>>71838558
>>71838597
>>71838774
Reminder of Billie Piper's ex-ex hubby.
>>71840596
heroin
>>71840600
FACT
>>71837543
peter capaldi is ruining doctor who
it no longer appeals to mainstream audiences
>>71840973
your b8 is ruining the the thread
>>71840596
>>71840600
>>71840770
>>71840814
She's better lay off the powder. She's playing Yerma at the Young Vic Waterloo for 2 months, starting end July.
i've been going through old BBC website archives and there are some really neat interviews. Here's an excerpt from Cartmel
>Q:So was the Seventh Doctor God?
>A:I've just seen an episode of The Simpsons where Ned Flanders turned out to be God. That worked rather well. As for the Doctor, I certainly thought it was an interesting notion if he turned out to be the Prime Mover. The butterfly wing that causes the hurricane. After all, that's virtually what his power amounts to. Doctor Who as God was considered a somewhat controversial notion, though.
>But then I came up with a concept that I like even better. That the Doctor and the Master are a single entity, one being, all powerful and both good and evil in balance. Light and darkness, yin and yang. That's probably also too controversial. Perhaps the Doctor should turn out to be Ned Flanders.
https://web.archive.org/web/20060314193835/http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news/cult/news/drwho/2004/01/01/13691.shtml
I guess that settles that question then
>this show will never be this GOAT again
listened to this last night. pretty comfy lads, i've got to listen to some more big finish
Immigrant
The *addition of Jenny flint is just fine
>>71840973
Regardless, series 8 had the highest L+7 ratings average of all the nuwho series in the UK.
Then the ratings dropped off a cliff at the start of s9.
Why? Phuck knows. Possibly the Beeb broadcasting DW at the same time as the biggie rugby matches on the rival channel?
And the news of poor viewings has an ultimately negative effect: fewer people bothering to catch up, which results in even fewer people watching later episodes.
>>71843835
It's not like they marketed the start of the series very well.
>"Same old, same old" literally said in the trailer
>"BORN TO SAVE THE UNIVERSE" literally used as a tagline?
>>71843897
In the UK, the start of the new season was barely marketed at all.
And yes, the 'same old same old' line seems wrong now, but maybe the Beeb thought that was good after the previous season's high ratings.
>>71844228
BBC got lazy with promotion. They should have promoted Davros imo. The original synopsis for TMA made it sound like most of the episode was about planes stopping in the sky. That being said, I don't think the rating were as bad as people were saying. It was pretty consistent 5-6 Mil and went back up for the Christmas Special. The critical reviews were also really positive.
>>71843835
>Then the ratings dropped off a cliff at the start of s9.
because s8 ended shit
because Christmas episode was shit
because s9 was advertised with Missy who got killed 2 eps ago
>>71844228
>In the UK, the start of the new season was barely marketed at all.
that is not true - the trailer was on many many times
>>71844639
In comparison to other series, S9 seemed to not be hyped much whatsoever.
But tbf, not many current shows get to a 9th or 10th series and are still as exciting as they once were. If Chibnall doesn't reignite the old spark, get the UK back on board, the show will go the same way as Flop Gear now.
>>71844639
>the trailer was on many many times
Good promotion for a show does not equal playing a TV ad many many times.
>>71838558
>>71838597
Wait wait wait.
You mean... you mean the "Rose loved drugs" meme is actually not a meme but real?
>Series 10
>Ratings go back up
>Moffat and Capaldi ride out into the sunset
>Chibnall takes over
>Series 11 Airs
>Ratings drop lower than S9
>Only 4 Million for opening
>2 Million by the time the finale airs
>Show cancelled
>Chibnall blamed for the show's death
>Chibnall never works on another TV show again
>>71845163
>Entire line of spin-off novels/etc. begins that exists for the sole purpose of spitting on Chibnall's ashes and refuting everything he did with the show
>>71844390
>The critical reviews were also really positive.
"Doctor Who's ninth series received critical acclaim, and was hailed by many critics as the show's best season to date." (Wikipedia - dare I quote this???)
>RTD brought back the show with a monstrous school bully and a notorious drugged up teen
The absolute madman
>>71845235
>dare I quote this
Wot? But yeah they were positive. The only one that got bad reviews was Sleep No More.
John Wiles.
>>71845235
muh Mary Sue Clala
muh Ashildr
muh Ogsood
muh Female UNIT
muh Missy
of course they praised it
>>71845014
I didn't see one single trailer for s9.
Maybe I wasn't watching at the right time.
>>71845316
hi /pol/
>>71845287
>Rumours of Tennant reportedly hitting on his wife too
>>71845352
He's not wrong though. There wasn't any male secondary character except in Face the Raven.
>>71845352
muh shitty response mate
did your bra get caught in your dildo again?
>>71845382
thank you.
>>71845382
and he HAD to be male because he was a dick who caused all the trouble
>>71842449
>I've just seen an episode of The Simpsons where Ned Flanders turned out to be God.
What the fuck is he on about? Is he massively misinterpreting the episode where Flanders turns out to be Satan?
>>71842449
>Perhaps the Doctor should turn out to be Ned Flanders.
This is the most sensible thing I've read today.
>>71845546
>What the fuck is he on about?
He said he just seen an episode of The Simpsons where Ned Flanders turned out to be God.
ROSE
LOVED
DRUGS
>>71845316
>>71845382
Moffat should learn to ignore articles like this (and worse)
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2014/aug/23/doctor-who-steven-moffat-sexism
and just concentrate on what he does best - writing great eps like Heaven Sent, Blink, Girl in the Fireplace, Eleventh Hour, Pandorica Opens/ Big Bang, Listen, +++about another 30 others.
>>71845357
What?
>>71842758
Ah, that two parter was something special...
>>71845955
Phuck sake. It's b8 m8.
>>71843835
I can't put my finger on why, but I know several 'watch every Saturday' fans who stopped watching and still haven't even finished s9.
I almost stopped, it's never felt so stale and uninspired.
>implying you don't get itchy
>implying you don't scratch it
>implying that its wrong for everyone to do so
>implying that there's something wrong with enjoying a nice piece of cake
>>71842758
>>71846051
The book that the TV eps originated from was good too.
>>71846142
>it's never felt so stale and uninspired.
Series 7?
>>71846142
exactly this.
it made me laugh when they did the Bill announcement during the football in a bid to "get a whole new audience" (the words of Edward Russell, a DW 'brand manager) pahaha. they probably saw that and laughed their heads off at it, shrugging it off as some cliched shitty old sci-fi show that used to be popular but hasn't been (apart from in america and uk fan circles) for ages now
>>71846212
*better
>>71846071
No it's not.
>>71843835
It was on too late and they kept pushing it later at night. What the fuck was that about?
>>71846458
Yeah Capaldi said people were coming up to him asking what time it was on and he had no idea because BBC kept changing it around.
>>71846509
Inconsistent scheduling has been going on for years. I remember the grim times during early Matt Smith when it would be on at fucking 5.45 one week.
>>71846458
Someone at the BBC once held the view that Doctor Who was so popular, that they could shift it around and the viewers would just follow. Obviously this has backfired, and puts people off. If it's an important show for the BBC, which it is and should be, it should be given a timeslot and should (roughly) stick to it.
>>71846212
>the books will never be that GOAT again
>>71846458
it's shown at that time elsewhere in the world
DW is trapped in this "but it's for 5yos" black hole in the UK
The merch and figures are lower quality, the DVD's have less content, Confidential is gone, no more prequels/minisodes. What is the next thing to go?
>>71846555
That was The Snowmen, which aired at 5:15.
No other Matt Smith aired before 6pm, although I will admit it kept changing every other week.
http://guide.doctorwhonews.net/info.php?detail=ratings&type=date
>>71846635
>tfw no comfy capaldi and jenna confidential episodes
was a sad day when BBC cancelled that
>>71846635
Peter Capaldi.
http://blindgossip.com/?p=67366
http://blindgossip.com/?p=71806
DOCTOR WHO?
>>71846509
>>71846576
this is directly the opposite of the 'people make their own schedule in the 21st century' rhetoric
>>71846640
I was probably thinking of the end of S5 and start of S6 when it was on at 6pm. It's not an issue with Christmas specials.
>>71846238
That was a ridiculous time to intro the new companion, especially with a cheapo cobbled together audition vid.
Why?? Just a simple news statement noting Pearl's GOAT West End reviews would have been perfectly fine.
If the various trips of /who/ were in charge of series 10, what kind of series would we see?
>>71846706
hmm?
>>71846509
I had friends asking me when it was on who watch with their son. They stopped altogether 'cause they thought it was too late.
>>71846706
Not only is it a timing thing, but they spent ages shifting the show to Autumn/August, only for it now to be heading back to Spring (where it won't be up against other Saturday night entertainment)
Also, part of it is: the general UK just don't care as much about the show as they used to. Seems to be a lot of Tennant hate here but those were the days when everyone seemed to be talking about the show.
>>71846740
it made the show look like a cheap pantomime instead of making it look interesting for adults to tune in to
>>71846760
Cats would make a low-rent knockoff of the John Wiles era and kill a load of characters.
>>71846760
There are no trips left
>>71846234
Series 7 wasn't great but part one was at worst fun schlock, The Snowmen was good (though I wish we'd kept grumpy Doctor/Victorian Clara dynamic) and part two had some GOAT SMith moments.
Series 9 felt like they were trying too hard whilst simultaneously not trying hard enough.
Lazy stories, bad pacing, poor direction and some of the worst special effects I've seen on the show, followed a 'heart wrenching' monologue from Capaldi at the end as if it somehow masks the detritus with five minutes of Peter's acting chops.
They were trying too hard to have a message make the audience emotional without trying hard enough to make good television. I never felt "sucked in" during Series 9 and was always aware that I was just sat watching a program, which made these feeble attempts to tug my heart strings feel very disingenuous.
>>71846774
Do you have trouble reading or comprehending English?
>>71846775
Series 9 wasn't 6-7pm friendly either - check out that Zygon story, for example. That's partly why they aired it later. Cos the production team lost sight of their audience (do they even know who they're aiming for these days??), S9, as good or bad as it was, felt more like a 9pm drama.
>>71846702
>that second one
All I can think of now is Moffat saying Brian Minchin told him Maisie was perfect for the role of Ashildr.
>>71846740
Exactly, and like ANYONE watching the football would give a shit?? The clip was shite to start with, and it was embarrassing to air it during the football. (Bet you could ask any football fan watching that day about it, and they'll have forgotten or given 0 shits about it)
if you're gunna do a promo during the football, it needs to be a well known name too.
>>71846740
>Just a simple news statement noting Pearl's GOAT West End reviews would have been perfectly fine
Those don't exist though
>>71846784
NuWho was brand new back then.
It's been on for 11 years ago. It's just not going to have that new factor regardless of the stories qualities.
>>71846868
oops meant to write now not ago
>>71846831
I think people underestimate kids. My 9 year old cousin liked those episodes and whatever he didn't understand about them he was still entertained enough to sit still for 45 minutes.
>>71846868
It's a brand now too, arguably more so. But one that isn't selling or working much for the UK, because it's too up its own arse and made for the American tween/cosplay type of fan.
>>71846812
>complaining about special effects on doctor who
>>71846932
I'm glad, and I'm sure others did too. But compare, say, the overall tone of Series 2 and 4 to that of Series 9, and you can see why suddenly the show's airing around the 8-9pm sort of slot.
The character Ashildr. only exists because Maisie Williams plays Arya in Game of Thrones. It was a way to attract fans of that show towards Doctor Who.
>>71846932
>entertained enough to sit still for 45 minutes
not exactly praise
most kids would watch anything if it was colourful enough
>>71846990
..and the show lost a million UK viewers.
great plan BBC
>>71846990
They needed a character to explore immortality.
>>71846990
And the twitter feed did not stop banging on about it. It was practically fucking DAILY. Ugh. Talk about overhyped.
>>71846991
>not exactly praise
Because it wasn't, anon brought it up in response to someone saying it wasn't suited to a kid-friendly timeslot. Get the stick out of your arse please.
>>71847051
Oh, you mean like Capt... oh wait hang on, every Moff character gets brought back to life every Tuesday anyway. There's no such thing as death in this show anyway.
>>71847054
>It was practically fucking DAILY. Ugh.
The twitter? Tweeted? Every DAY? UGH!
>>71846458
>>71846509
>>71846555
>>71846576
>>71846640
>>71846671
>>71846706
>>71846711
Hopefully, by returning Doctor Who to the Spring time slot that it had in the RTD years, the show can be broadcast at a more consistent time in the UK.Strictly Come Dancing is a MASSIVE show here at the mo.
>>71847051
But they didn't explore it at all. In any way.
She was the basic tragic immortal we've seen a thousand times. Worse than that she had no personality or anything likeable about her.
It was dreadful.
And she could end her life any time by throwing herself into a star. No nanotech could work in those conditions.
>>71847051
Perhaps they did but I bet if that character was played by anyone other than Maisie Williams they would not be in that tardis at the end of the finale.
>>71847127
I want Strictly to die.
>>71847120
don't take the piss. I meant about shoving MW and Ashildr down our fucking throats, "LIKE THIS CHARACTER, GODDAMMIT, LOOK WE GOT MAISIE, LIKE HER, LIKE HER, GET HER LOOK, IT'S MAISIE!!! FROM GOT!!!" it was literally that annoying
>>71846990
Maisie Williams and her character were easily the WORST factor of series 9. Face The Raven was her best episode but the overall arc was shite and the characterisation and acting from the GoT girl was awful/bland.
>>71847078
Please fuck off, you moronic arrogant cunt.
>>71846846
Isn't Minchin gay tho?
guys stop fighting :(
>>71846867
Maybe. British press hate the BBC because it's not privatized (yet).
>>71847160
MW was awful in Doctor Who. So so bland. Not sure if she couldn't be arsed, or bad writing, or a mix of both.
>>71846238
My friends are all typical football 'lads' and were in fits when it came on. Really didn't sell the show to them, the particular scene was incredibly CBBC.
>>71847200
People who disliked S9 need to circlejerk once in a while or they will die of frustration. Be gracious.
>>71846991
I dunno if I would call those episodes colourful or flashy. And kids I've seen these days lose interest in shows pretty easily. They have way more entertainment options than I did as a kid so if something doesn't keep their attention they play with their smartphones or something else.
>>71847219
No m8 the reviews don't exist because Pearl is a bit part actor in a long running stage show and not a West End Star like some seem to think.
I have a tinfoil hat theory that the 50th lost the beeb a lot of money and they are strangling all financial aspects of who to clog the money hole.
>>71846238
>Edward Russell
I never know if he's actually transgender.
>>71847184
Is he? He's mentioned a wife fwiw.
>>71847361
minchin loves munchin the muff not moff
>>71847329
You are not alone. I have spoken to many people who think the 50th was not the money maker some at the BBC imagined and worse still it did not increase viewing figures or create millons of new fans to propel DW towards a bigger future
>>71847329
The strangling started well before then though. Commentaries and Confidentials both effectively died before 2013. Given how much they cashed in on the 50th I find it hard to believe they didn't turn a profit, if anything the problem is the arts dying in general.
>>71847361
I don't know but he comes across as really gay.
So they've just wrapped on block 2 of Class, they have two more blocks to go. Is this spinoff really going to air this year?
>>71847398
Oh, I think it did make a nice profit, especially with the big conventions they put on too.
But the problem is Series 8 instantly put a lot of people off (moody as fuck Doctor was a bad move they got told to tone back, for example, for S9) and the fans haven't followed the show beyond Smith.
>>71847428
Probably. In 2014, DW was still filming in July and it aired ep1 in August
>>71847419
Not all gay men have lisps. Not all men who have a lisp are gay.
>>71847419
Why? Is it the lisp?
>>71847329
I'm gonna be very harsh and I'm sorry for saying that but it's because of Peter Capaldi and Jenna Coleman as well as Moffat.
>>71847428
Probably in October/November, at this rate. End just in time for DW at Christmas.
>>71847153Me too.Yet another fixed reality TV show.
>>71847456
pith off, you thilly ethjaydoubleyou.
>>71847456
>>71847459
Kek probably yeah but he also has a way to talk with his hands only gays have. Or Italian people.
>>71847444
I don't think we'll get an older male Doctor again for a while.
>>71847428
>Class is actually happening
I keep forgetting it's not some /who/ meme but a real tv show.
>>71847483
Ejww?
>>71847461
Did you actually read the post you just replied to?
>>71847461
Peter and Jenna didn't write the stories. If the episodes were the problem then that's Moffats fault.
>>71847516
No-one will watch Class but it will be really good. I'm 99% certain.
>>71847461
Capaldi and Coleman lost the BBC a lot of money with help from Moffat?
>>71847461
Apparently Coleman was better received than Capaldi.
>>71847526
SJW.
>>71847444
>Oh, I think it did make a nice profit, especially with the big conventions they put on too
OK. Now here is your earlier post that I responded to....
>>71847329
>I have a tinfoil hat theory that the 50th lost the beeb a lot of money
(unless someone else jumped in unannounced and said the exact opposite?)
>>71847565
It was their gigantic embezzling scheme to fund Moff's basement cocaine orgies. Even Peter's wife got in on the fun.
>>71847461
you're blaming capaldi's eyebrow cameo for the 50th supposedly being a failure?
>>71847516
It's gonna be GOAT.
>>71847592
Two different anons. I didn't post about the tinfoil hat.
>>71847527
>>71847565
>>71847606
The 50th was supposed to be a huge launch platform for the future of the series. Laying off the future and making them tons of money. The hype died off with the Edgy Doctor and Cunty Clara.
>>71847536
It's Moffat's fault. Entirely.
>>71847647
so you jumped in. ok...
>>71847133
I would have liked the story/ idea of an immortal trapped in an originally mortal brain with limited memory explored further.
Just seemed to me like a huge opportunity of imagination squandered.
Hang on. I'm confused.
What's "Moffat's fault" ???
Did he do it guys?
https://youtu.be/ZcH1umg1YJ8
http://blindgossip.com/?p=71806
>>71847655
Moffat should've left with Matt, on a high after the 50th. Not sure what they'd have done with regards to a successor, but the show after Time of the Doctor needed a whole new vision and a complete fresh start.
>>71847686
The death of Christ
>>71847683
Immortals are generally boring but there must have been SOMETHING she could do?
But she was barely a character at all. Really bad writing.
>>71847686
Me projecting my reasons for not liking the show onto casual viewers
>>71847692
If Moffat left we wouldn't have gotten Capaldi though and the new Doctor would probably have been a Smith/Tennant clone.
Cloister, you around?
>>71847747Good.
>>71847692
Matt should have had one extra series, then they should have cast Capaldi for Series 9 with Moffat writing it as his final series
>>71847686
Everything that ever was or will be.
>>71847692
I always said this. Moffat's old, tired, spent, busted, rusted, stuck in a moldy old office with just a moody fanbase for company.
>>71847780
>>71847747
Given the general audience reaction who haven't taken too well to Capaldi, desu, that would've been fine by me. I'd take 5 more Tennant/Smith clones if they kept the show popular, cos at least then you could make other characters more interesting and different
>>71847800
He's been running out of ideas since 2012, to be honest. He should've gone after the big 50th special.
>>71847572
I can believe this
Purely anecdotal but I always see lots & lots of Clara cosplayers at cons, sadly didn't start seeing 12 cosplayers until series 9 really and there still aren't that many compared to the 10s & 11s
>>71847687
>It's like a sort of, grand old Victorian actor acting opposite a youtuber.
>>71846791
can't we just make new ones?
>>71847817
You only enjoy the show if its popular?
Is it true that at the time, Patrick Troughton wasn't actually all that popular with the audience (and viewing figures were kinda average) during his time; but after he left his era got the appreciation it deserved? (even if the majority of the 2nd Doctor's episodes don't even exist)
>>71846791
>somehow Tom is the not dead one in this photo
>>71847874
No, but I enjoy having a show to start with. Capaldi and Moffat, going by general reactions and audience numbers, are slowly killing it.
>>71847921
get out m8
>>71847912
Trouts ratings sunk so low by his last season the show almost got canceled. That's why it was retooled with Pertwee.
>>71847912
The BBC weren't happy with the show come Season 6, hence quite a bold change for Season 7 to revamp it.
>>71847912
I think you're thinking of Mccoy. The show wasn't very popular towards the end and 25/26 didn't really get praise until much later.
>>71847927
Okay.
>>71847874
No but who doesn't want their show to be popular? I don't want another 1980s where fans were embarrassing and the general public laughed at it... oh hang on, that's already happened
>>71847985
Nope, thinking of Troughton here. But McCoy's time is also comparable in how it has gained a following. His last season is a classic imo.
>>71848014
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_(series_9)#Critical_reception
Calm down with the hyperbole.
>ppl ITT acting like the show isn't still one of the most popular on television and is actually in danger of cancellation
>>71848093
>Not understanding how this is Doctor Who and that people have been like this since episode four of the unearthly child
>Literally
>>71848093
>low ratings
>writer out of ideas
>a doctor the general audience dont like
>new showrunner soon
>a literal leap in the dark
>>71848050
the sad fact is, the general UK audience has moved on from Doctor Who
>>71848123
I do love reading those old Radio Times letters
>>71848132
lower ratings yeah, but hardly low ratings.
>>71848031
I think generally people agree that 24 was a mess but 25/26 are some of the best ever.
I think 25/26 were just too late. Audiences were already soured by the 6th Doctor seasons, 24 was the last chance and it was a flop.
>>71848093
nuwho is past it's glory days m8 it's not something to just dismiss
>>71848184
This is kind of paralleled with Series 9. It's very popular with fans, but Series 8 and an unlikeable Doctor seems to have soured general audiences, hence the decreased ratings and hype.
>>71848143
The general UK audience has moved on from scheduled TV. Viewing figures overall are down from what they were during the 00's. At home DW get's roughly 5-6mil figures (which is healthy, very few dramas get anywhere near this number on a weekly basis, that is not a soap) and worldwide the numbers are also strong; nothing to worry about.
>>71848239
People will always be doomsday sayers
ROSE
LOVED
MINCHIN
>>71848239
That'll be why general merchandise isn't selling anywhere near as well as it once was, and why the BBC are shifting the show back to Spring almost like a panic move, and why DVD sales are also down, and why DWM doesn't sell nearly as well as it once did, etc etc.
>>71848202
Who said anything about dismissing it
But it's another thing entirely to act like the sky is falling
>>71848239
>At home DW get's roughly 5-6mil
Literally wrong. The Witch's Familiar fell to 3.2 million, the lowest in 27 years. Down from 5.5 million for Death in Heaven.
>>71848219
I don't think the show was really popular with anyone during the Mccoy years. I could be wrong though.
>>71848335
>2 million people abandoned the show in less than a year
I don't believe you. I can't.
>>71848335
Huh? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_(series_9)
It says here it got "6.54" million.
>>71848335
>>71848335
As well as that, in an attempt to make up for the loss, they announced an omnibus which was intended to continue throughout the series... but that was dropped after one attempt because barely anyone watched it on BBC3. It didn't even get a million.
>>71848335
m8 nobody counts overnight ratings for programmes anymore
>>71848396
>>71848379
Mates...
>The episode was watched by 3.71 million viewers overnight in the UK, the lowest overnight figure of any episode since the show returned in 2005.
>>71848396
Did Series 9 even have any kind of marketing?
>>71848093
I'm not worried about it being cancelled, but I am worried that BBC execs are about to stick their neck in and ruin it because muh money muh merchandise sales.
>CHRIS, YOU MUST MAKE DOCTOR WHO POPULAR AGAIN BY MAKING IT EXACTLY LIKE [INSERT OTHER POPULAR THING]
>>71848396
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_(series_9)
It was 3.2m overnight. And whilst Gatiss cries that overnights don't matter, and people try to dismiss them, they are a good indicator that the show is very much not "event" or "must watch!!" anymore.
Reminder
>Official BARB viewing figures
7.95 million - Series 1 average (13 episodes)
7.71 million - Series 2 average (13 episodes)
7.55 million - Series 3 average (13 episodes)
8.05 million - Series 4 average (13 episodes)
7.73 million - Series 5 average (13 episodes)
7.52 million - Series 6 average (13 episodes)
7.44 million - Series 7 average (13 episodes)
7.26 million - Series 8 average (12 episodes)
6.03 million - Series 9 average (12 episodes)
>>71848415
This makes me LOL cos as soon as a show gets great overnight ratings, the number is quoted and shown off everywhere. If DW got 9mil overnight, that'd be used as a success story. But as soon as it sinks to 3.2m, oh no, overnights are irrelevant and mean nothing. How funny.
>>71848464
Series 9 has barley anything, we still don't even have a soundtrack.
>>71848415
Alright.
>The final consolidated ratings were 5.71 million viewers.
>Overnight ratings estimate that the episode [Death in Heaven] was watched by 5.45 million viewers. The finale was watched by a total of 7.60 million viewers.
Still that 2 million difference.
>>71848473
This. And I think Moffat and the BBC Controller finally understood it needs to be event television again as they seem to have big plans for Series 10. But then again having Bill be announced at a football match is utterly baffling.
Guys. Chillax. I've come up with a way to fix Doctor Who once and for all. It's a simple case of Occam's razor, and quite frankly I'm surprised none of you have come up with the idea.
Question. What's wrong with the show? Answer. The writing, yes, but - another question - is that all? Answer. No.
Peter Capaldi is miscast. Simple as. There have been three miscast actors, and I'm sorry to say, he is one of them. So. New Doctor is what's needed - But what else?
Let's go back to the first point. The writing is dire. The scripts are glum and uninspiring, and this, my friends is why the show is failing.
So, I hear you ask, how do we fix it?
A new writer.
We need someone different. Someone who knows what they're doing. Someone who can inject the fun back into the show we all love called Doctor Who. Forget Chris Chibnall. There's only one man really up for the job, there's only one man who can truly make Doctor Who the show we all knew to once love.
And that man is Gareth Roberts.
>>71848526
What the fuck went wrong and can it be fixed?
>>71848527
I mean no shows talk about the overnights anymore as they've fallen so low compared to past figures it looks bad
they talk about what the top watched shows are in relation to other shows instead
i think its a bit too early to start doomsdaying
if the ratings don't go up and get lower for S10 then by all means have at it
>>71848526
What went "wrong" with Series 3? Was the audience missing Rose? Tennant not as big of a draw as Billie Piper?
>>71848589
I still hold the opinion that Moff should've left after Husbands, and there should've been a two year gap until Chibnall was free/2018. Rest the show for 2 years, then really bring it back with a bang. This waiting for one more Moff series is the equivalent of trying to squeeze that one last bit of shit out, clinging on. He should've said no, and Chibnall might've had a chance to really bring the show back with an impact after 2 years of it not being on.
>>71848601
No one knew Series 9 was even airing and it had some damm shitty marketing
>>71848687
S3 was a loss of thousands, which was then made up for with S4. As opposed to a loss of millions as we reach the Capaldi era.
>>71848473
What even gets good overnights nowadays?
>>71848695
The show will be dead by 2020.
>>71848697
>Same old same old!
>>71848697
And even then, nobody seemed to know what time it was on, or cared about watching the show as intently as they once had.
>>71848697
This. I think I saw only 1 promotional trailer for Series 9 on TV, and I only saw it around 2-3 times.
It was that shit one with the really slow music as well. It made the show look miserable and grim, so of course no one was going to tune in.
>>71848589
Why are you comparing part 2 of a 2 parter with a finale episode? Part 2's always have a drop. Comparing Death in Heaven's ratings to TMA's lower rating would make more sense.
>>71848736
Chibnall might get 2 or 3 years out of it, at a push, but then it'll need a few years break if it's to continue long-term, I think. Either that or it'll be 2-3 Chibnall years, then an attempt at a movie.
>>71848335
Mentions overnight ratings in 2016 where on demand culture is rife.
>opinion discarded
>>71848770
This one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB8fh4QUy-A
Yep, i can see why it failed to grab people. Looks miserable as shit.
>>71848695
>Chris Chibnall
>Bring it back with a bang
>>71848775
Because they're both part 2?
>>71848808
Nice meme see >>71848589
>>71848812
This trailer looks like a really cheap attempt to riff off Game of Thrones, and was only shown late at night. Fail. I think the first ever airing of the trailer was something like 11pm.
>>71848724
Okay that's not what I'm asking tho. I don't really care about this rehashed S9 argument. I could swear I read most of these comments last year. I just never saw the Series ratings compared like that and thought it was weird that a Tennant series took a dip and recovered when another big name was cast as companion is Series 4.
>>71848812
Yep, now compare it to this, the televised Series 4 trailer. A huge bombastic orchestral score and scenes that actually look fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYREDtQa5I8
No wonder S4 had the highest ratings.
With S9 they made no effort to make it look appealing. Literally one of the last lines in the trailer is "same old same old" so you know its probably going to be shit.
>>71848832
Frankly, Chibnall or -anyone-.
It's a sinking ship and would be hard for anyone to recover it, and I was just saying Chibs may've had a better chance if the show had been off air for two years. Not having to follow-up a year after 'same old same old' Moff and Capaldi.
>>71848850
But one is a finale. Finales always get a boost.
I have a quest for /who/ then. Find ANY UK TV Drama/Series (That is not a continuing soap) that has been on air for over ten years, that is STILL managing to hold the viewership it had during it's early few years. You won't be able to do it. Trends are against scheduling and in favour of on demand services. Anybody who doesn't take this into account when looking into Doctor Who's ratings over the past 11 years is frankly being rather stupid.
>>71848899
RTD always seemed better at selling the show than Moffat.
>>71848899
That trailer still gives me goosebumps. It's bright, colourful, in your face, and as you say it has a lot of fun/action moments. The S9 trailer, whilst stylistically decent, doesn't bring about the same feelings or connotations.
>>71848971
RTD used to do a lot of interviews on stuff like BBC News. He said he was grumpy behind closed doors, but always put on a smile and wanted to 'welcome' viewers in.
Moffat, meanwhile, is much more cynical and appears grumpy or miserable generally, when he's not making digs at people. He doesn't have the warmth or enthusiasm that RTD did, and it reflects in the show too to a degree.
Plus the marketing of Moff's era has been, well, let's say all over the fucking place/inconsistent.
>>71848913
Well if you want to be pedantic:
>The episode [TMA] was watched by 6.54 million viewers, the lowest consolidated rating for the programme since the Matt Smith episode "The Crimson Horror".
>The overnight viewing figures indicated the episode was watched by 4.58 million viewers on BBC1, the lowest overnight figure for a series opener since the show returned in 2005.
>>71849058
I felt like I knew the crew and the cast in the RTD era and the same up until series 6 but after that there has been a disconnect between the show and audience.
Also, Sleep No More was lambasted and the figures were crap.
Sleep No More 4.0m (overnight) 5.61m (final) 6.09m (L+7) AI 78
And yet Moff came out and said he had asked Gatiss to write a fucking sequel to it. The fuck??
>>71849058
>marketing of Moff's era has been, well, let's say all over the fucking place/inconsistent.
Yeah
>Those fucking huge gaps of no marketing leading up to the 50th
Inststead of building up the hype it was just nothing, im still amazed hot they screwed it up so bad
>>71849142
I wonder if part of that is down to Confidential being axed?
Certainly, RTD's era was more consistent with its core crew (Julie, Russell and Phil - which also meant a lot more consistency) whereas Moff's had a new producer or two every other series (apparently he can be hard to work with).
>>71849162
I think that was before the episode was panned. I doubt we'll be getting the sequel now.
>>71849197
Go to bed Caroline. You deserved to be erased.
>>71849191
The build up to the 50th was excellent.
But other stuff has been poor. There were about 4 different logos at one point, which smacked of them not being in control or knowing what they were doing, plus the fact Series 9 was marketed stupidly poorly (with a trailer that literally said "same old same old"). Then we had Moff saying "Series 8 will be the biggest change since Series 1" which was nonsense. The branding is all over the place, the show itself can't keep still in a timeslot or schedule, etc. We don't even have a soundtrack for Series 9 yet, etc.
https://youtu.be/qfEPQqHx40c
https://youtu.be/9vIsQ25Krq8
>dynamic music
>dynamic montage
>lots of running (laugh all you want, it actually matters)
>real mysteries
>new exciting previously unseen locations and places
>teasing
>fun with serious tones
>>71849204
I wouldn't rule anything out yet.
Moffat said, after the reviews and episode aired, that In the Forest of the Fucking Shite was one of his fave episodes of that year... the man is crazy sometimes.
>>71849302
He's just damage controlling to make them look less shit. Has to.
