Targaryen and Stark, Stark and Tully, side by side together again
>>71819937
>>71826423
you have autism
Azor Cersei
>TPTWP was right under Aemon's nose all along
ship war fags need to go back to tumblr or kill themselves
>>71826465
what did he mean by this?
why are kit and emilia such awful actors
>>71826423
i'm drunk and started watching got fanvids and jonsa ones are always really short for some reason??? why is that?
>>71826488
Kit is actually pretty good, just too subtle for you to understand
>>71826485
I meant "this".
Is Daenerys ever going to like a fucking get emotional or aggressive? Like have a battle cry?
She just always tries to be this calm bad ass who burns people alive.
Are we going to see some emotion in a battle? Maybe she'd have a sword? Maybe she'd raise it, and shout "dracarys" at the top of her lungs in fury?
Or do you think she'll just always say "dracarys" with a blank expression, and maybe have a smug little smirk when her enemies are defeated?
>>71826525
it took those dragons WAAAAAY too long to burn a single boat. That was pretty fucking depressing actually.
>>71826525
She's not a real warrior, she needs her dragons or convenient gas soaked huts to do anything.
She's calm cause she's a Targ and likes seeing people burn and die and has done it enough that any previous feelings of being squeamish have gone away
>>71826509
Because Jon and sansa have like 5 scenes together where they interact at most
>>71826554
They could have moved on the second it was on fire. They focused on it to prove a point, and to preserve as much of the fleet as possible
What is he thinking
>>71826588
but dragon fire melts stone. i expected the hydrogen to start separating from the water and ignite the atmosphere or something
>>71826460
Why does Aemon mention dragon stuff and their sex being ambiguous when talking about Dany fulfilling the Prince that was Promised thing?
Is "Prince" gender neutral or something? Is Prince supposed to mean dragon really and that's where the translation got fucked up?
>>71826525
You've seen Kelly C get as emotional as she ever will. You've seen it multiple times now.
When she stood in front of her caliphate on her fucking dragon saying she'll burn everything ever, that was as intense she will ever get. She will never be interesting during war, never have a cinematography-interesting episode like Jon, because she will never fight on her own.
You've seen the extent of her actions again and again. Yet she'll probably sit the iron throne because "muh dragons".
>>71826622
>tfw no cock
>>71826641
could simply be that in Westerosi the term is gender neutral but since it's English we have to translate it to prince
>>71826622
Probably how good the water felt on his nips.
>>71826641
>Is "Prince" gender neutral or something?
In Valyrian it is, yes
>>71826641
>Is "Prince" gender neutral or something?
Prophecy was translated wrong Princess, not Prince, was promised.
>S1
>they make it a recurring point that the Dothraki are unfamiliar with knights and get trounced by plate armor
>S7
>costume department has suffered so much from MUH CGI DRAGONS budget cutbacks that the entirety of Westeros's military will be composed of men in generic leather tunics who get cut down by the horde
>>71826572
When I imagined Aegon the Conqueror I imagined a great warrior.
I wish she could fucking emulate that.
How has nobody thought it would be a good idea for her to learn how to use a fucking sword or something? I get she's a woman and all and her servants are supposed to fight for her, but she's been in some of the shittiest situations in the most god forsaken land.
Why is she so fucking boring?
>>71826683
>Implying they will show the Dothraki fighting resistance
Twenty. Good. Men.
>>71826683
Well, welcome to XXI century, refuges > white knights.
>>71826699
She's a girl of 15 or something in the books, not exactly fit to lead an infantry charge
>>71826525
d&d prefers a smug independynt womyn instead of the stereotypical barbaric male warrior
>>71826741
Robb was what, 14? He always fought his own battles and never lost a single one. He also had a full beard.
Clearly age doesn't mean a fucking thing in the series. I think Jon is like 13.
>>71826510
T. Kit
>>71826761
Gee, what's the difference between Robb and Dany
>>71826581
I like the CIA x sansa ones, its funny how they can make it seem romantic with good music and editing.
>>71826683
dothraki are going to have their numbers destroyed by Euron's fleet
>>71826761
Robb was 18 or something when he died
>>71826510
>Kit is actually pretty good,
>learned more than 1 emotion only in season 6
>emiliabros arent on
;_;
the only good actor left is cia
prove me wrong
![ryingoqlomthmkiukib9[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/iq2ciyj.jpg "ryingoqlomthmkiukib9[1].jpg")
>>71826683
*taps unmarked brown leather vest*
THESE ARE THE KING'S COLORS
>>71826831
The perfect Jon Snow then. He's not the most expressive person in the books
>>71826781
I'm saying age means nothing. Are you saying that because she's a girl she's worthless?
She's invincible to fire. As far as we know she could be just as talented as Robb but she always relies on cucks and other armies. She isn't as willing as Robb but has just as big of balls, which is stupid considering unlike Robb she has personally earned none of her victories (except for maybe the whole stealing the Unsullied thing)
Arya is way younger than either Dany or Robb and still manages to kill no problem.
>>71826824
In the show. Books, he was 16 at his end.
https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Robb_Stark
RAPE THE SANSA
>>71826872
GO TO /lit/ YOU FUCKING BOOKFAG
>>71826510
hilarious post thanks for the laugh mate
>>71826869
>The perfect Jon Snow then
>manlet
>shiteyes
>half paki
>He's not the most expressive person in the books
And that's why role requires good actor.
>>71826859
Most of the cast are fine actors. The writings and direction doesn't allow for acting to take place.
Michelle Fairley had the best monologues.
>>71826894
Please. These threads wouldn't exist without bookfags.
>>71826872
Arya stealth murders. Her style is more suited to that and dueling. Dany probably should have learned some form of self-defense, but she doesn't have the makings of a warrior. That's where Jon and the whole shared destiny comes in
>>71826869
dude he reads his lines like he's reading off of a piece of paper he's not just unexpressive hes wooden as fuck
>>71826908
Manlets, on TV? Stop the fucking press
Rogue Prince
Princess & Queen
Hedge Knight
Sworn Sword
Mystery Knight
Game of Thrones
Clash of Kings
Storm of Swords
Feast for Crows
Dance with Dragons
Winds of Winter
Dream of Spring
i got the reading order correct?
>>71826795
>implying their scenes aren't romantic af even without the music
>>71826938
Thinking that means a tie-in to Jon is kind of dumb I'd say. She already has plenty of people willing to die at her hands for her. She just literally needs to exist in order to get an army willing to die by their sword for her. Dany just needs to be some hot jailbait and many will fight for her. She just needs to ride dragons around every once and a while.
It's why I'll be furious if she ever actually gets close to sitting that throne.
>>71826884
R-R-R-R-R-R-R-RAPE THE SANSA
BWA BWAHH
>i wish you good fortune
>...in outcrawling the wights back to winterfell lol
>>71827010
THANK YOU UNCLE BENJEN
>>71827009
no sweetrobin don't rape the sansado it
>When asked if there is any chance we will see Valyria George R. R. Martin answered
>"Well.... there may be. Not a great chance, mind you. The question is, is it going to be a look at Valyria now, or Valyria in the past?"
S6E01 IS GONNA START WITH BRAN WARGING INTO THE DOOM
FUCKING CONFIRMED
>>71826846
here bro
>>71827059
inb4 bran causes the doom of valyria.
>>71827010
>warging into the doom
Bran is going to meet The Writer in S7. Hopefully it's a loose representation.
>>71827059
season 6 is over mate
if you meant season 7 then youre still wrong because its going to cold open with a wight summer wolf dream in the Land of Always Winter
>>71826908
>half Paki
Wait, what?
anyone know the quality of the audiobooks?
also
>>71826978
pls reply
>>71826984
Rhaegar got it into his head that he had to become a warrior because of something he read, perhaps some lesser known prophecies. Maybe Sam will figure it out at the Citadel
>>71827111
In order to establish the Faceless Men so that Arya can train with them :^)
Septa Nutella of the Most Devout is blessing this threadeven though it's full of heartless people who enjoy her suffering or think she loves being tortured and raped
>Bran Stark thinks it curious that Ghost alone would open its eyes while the others were blind
>Jon has noted that Ghost's red eyes are similar to the faces on carved weirwood heart trees by the children of the forest
Bran is Ghost
>>71827170
>>71827148
How the fuck did Rhaegar get anything into a baby's head he never even met? He was off dying in the Trident when Jon was being born.
I agree that maybe Sam will figure things out in the Citadel, as Ned did in KL, but if anything he'll figure out way too much and have to leave. After all, lots of weird magic shit is happening there at the moment.
I think book-Jon will never realize his entire potential because no one will be there to tell him his real lineage. He'll revive, but he won't lead an army like he does in the show.
>>71827214
...His own head, Anon
>>71826981
honestly i never got why all their kiss scenes are staged all romantic. is it intentional? ironic? like snow falling, beautiful settings, violin music. or in a candlelit crypt. even the dialogue..
>"you said you would protect me."
>"and i will.. you must believe me when i tell you that i will.."
>"and if i want you to die here and now?"
>"then i will die"
>"and you by my side"
>"my love"
that kind of shit is straight out of a shitty period romance.
>>71827229
Well now I feel stupid.
I don't think it's a prophecy though, that's just Targ mindset. They've been convinced for a while now they were above everyone else for surviving the Doom.
In fact I thought Rhaegar was known to be one of the "sane" Targs? He may have been a good guy, just brought into the wrong family's mindset.
>>71827250
CIA acts like an alpha around everyone but the girl he likes. then he turns into a romantic, sentimental beta.
>>71827309
>CIA acts like an alpha around everyone but the girl he likes
>Young Neddard berates Jaime for killing Aerys II
>Doesn't give a fuck about Bobby killing Rhaegar
>Goes to the Tower of Joy
>Sword of Dual Wield gets backstabbed byBran
>Fuck it, no witnesses
>Oh shit, Lyanna
>Come closer Spongebob
>"Jaehaerys"
>Promise me, Nerd
>Rhaegar was innocent, presumably protecting Lyanna
>Reputation forever stained by the Usurper
>Edd, Edd and Eddard never acts or confronts Robert...
>but refuses to aid in the assassination plot of Dany because she's innocent
>>71827274
Rhaegar wanted to "remove" his father from power peacefully. Make him retire at Dragonstone or something.
But then Robert's and Ned's autism reached critical mass and they fucked up everything.
>>71827359
Ned is Lawful Neutral.
His code says its ok for shit to go down in battle, but wrong to backstab someone whom you've sworn to protect. Besides Jaime didn't even tell him about the wild fire.
>>71827095
>>71827199
too soon ;_;
>>71827392
>heir to a royal dynasty notorious for being insane
>ride off with the daughter of one of the greatest Houses in your kingdom that's betrothed to the heir of another great House
>"why? because some prophecy told me bro, don't have to explain shit to anyone"
>brother of the girl you disappeared off the face of Westeros with confronts your crazy father about it
>shit goes down, now four of the greatest Houses in Westeros want your corpse
>"It was all Robert and Ned's fault lol"
>>71827432
>Fuck Family
>Lying is alright sometimes
Thanks, Uncle Eddard
>>71827392
rhaegar fucked up.
after tourney went to shit due to aerys' attendance, he caught lyanna as the knight of the laughing tree and started to think with his dick onwards.
>major autistic bookfag coming through
have all the ledditors fucked off?
>>71827322
fuck d&d for putting that scene in. they've been out to ruin his character from the beginning.
>>71827478
He wasn't expecting the retarded Starks to go and do the equivalent of a shitpost in front of the fucking Mad King. Especially when Lyanna went with Rhaegar out of her own free will, Hodor probably helped her escape Winterfell without anyone noticing.
>>71827392
I mean that's tough to blame on Ned and Bobby. It's not like they knew Rhaegar's plan.
And besides, they weren't wrong. That family line has been incestuous for hundreds of years. It was genetically guaranteed to result in terrible shit. Targs had to fucking go.
Had Cersei and Jaime not been fucking, it actually could have been a decent family line. Neither Ned nor Bobby had autism, they were rightfully mad at a family that had gone fucking bonkers and needed to be culled ASAP.
>she doesnt already rule westeros
>fucking why
>>71827250
If they didn't want it to come off as romantic then they wouldn't set such romantic stages for each scene
They could easily play like creepy music or whatever but they don't for a reason
>>71827525
>Especially when Lyanna went with Rhaegar out of her own free will
Proof?
>Hodor probably helped her escape Winterfell without anyone noticing.
Showfag, please.
First for Selyse!
>>71827547
>tumblr
SJW, please.
>>71826884
she's without a doubt, the most evil person in this series. Something book related involving rape must happen to her given with Dabids/DAAAN have left us with, looking forward to reading it.
so /got/ is gonna remain alive until S7 arrives right?
I mean, we are eternal /got/
>>71827494
>Implying Tyrion/Sansa isn't a parallel of Rhaegar/Lyanna
it's just like potpourri
>pic unrelated
>>71827507
They'll never be gone, my man. Just keep Stannisposting.
>>71827551
that you Preston?
I'll be here laughing when TWoW confirms it along with R+L=J
learn to piece 2 and 2 together
>>71826622
>why would someone assemble a fighting force by cutting off the very thing that allows men to become effective fighters
>>71827525
>He wasn't expecting the retarded Starks to go and do the equivalent of a shitpost in front of the fucking Mad King
What were they supposed to do?
>"Looks like the heir apparent of the Targaryen dynasty has kidnapped Lyanna, Brandon! I think the best course of action would be to send a strongly worded letter via raven to the Mad King and hope for the best"
>>71827589
I think him scaling the walls at the Battle of the Blackwater was more out of character.
At least at that battle Stannis was aware he was pretty much fucked
>>71827589
Where did all that cavalry disappear to before BoB
>>71827646
Jon still had the twenty good men Mance loaned him from S3.
>>71827596
>that you Preston?
Nope.
>learn to piece 2 and 2 together
I still don't see proofs of
>Lyanna went with Rhaegar out of her own free will
So, without any book material bar Aeron whatsoever for D&D to source from - on a scale of one to ten - how bad is Season 7 going be?
Will it top season 5?
Will Stannis come back?
Could you favourite warrior in the series defeat Shirtless Ramsay, /got/?
>>71827694
>on a scale of one to ten - how bad is Season 7 going be?
Nard to say, but after 5 and 6 season I wait something like Bioware game with "press paragon ability to convince everyone"
>>71827694
>Will it top season 5?
I don't think there are any minor characters left for D&D to half-assedly kill off to condense the plots down even further
>>71827692
>>Lyanna went with Rhaegar out of her own free will
The only two things I can think of would be Rhaegar's general nature. Seems out of character for what little character we know of him.
Also "Jaehaerys". If Lyanna was kidnapped and raped, why give the kid a Targaryen name?
>>71827696
mr dual wielding, yes
>>71827696
Victarion would crush his face in two with his haaands and throw him overboard after setting him on fire as a tribute to the Drowned God/Fire demon.
So yeah.
>>71827692
There is literally NO WAY Rhaegar and his kingsguard could have sneaked past the guards of Witnerfell, climbed to Lyanna's room, knocked her out and carried her with them all the way to Dorne.
She wanted the Valyrian dick.
>>71827769
>There is literally NO WAY Rhaegar and his kingsguard could have sneaked past the guards of Witnerfell, climbed to Lyanna's room, knocked her out and carried her with them all the way to Dorne.
Yep, because Lyanna was kidnaped from Harenhall.
>>71827751
>They literally couldn't think of a better way to show Arthur Dayne was one of the greatest swordsmen of his time than have him fight off several characters with dual-wielded swords
>>71827762
When did Vic become General Vezax
>>71826859
Lena Headey is twice as good. CIA overacts in every scene he's in
>>71827804
Lyanna was abducted a year after the Tournament, presumably at Winterfell.
>>71826859
You shappose?
>>71827728
>>71827739
if season 5 was a 7, a 1 being season one episode one, going off season 6 epi 10, i'd say season 7 could well touch a 9, potential to go full retard.and crash the series. The money might work to there disadvantage in that they'll be able to do what they actually want to do.
>>71827849
>Lyanna was abducted a year after the Tournament, presumably at Winterfell.
Nope. And I still waiting proofs of
>>Lyanna went with Rhaegar out of her own free will
>>71827870
>I paid the Iron Price.
>>71827745
>Also "Jaehaerys". If Lyanna was kidnapped and raped, why give the kid a Targaryen name?
[citation needed]
>>71827824
hint hint I said actordiana rigg takes best actress
>>71827915
They used it right that time.
>>71827873
Nope to Winterfell or nope to the timeline? It was definitely an entire year after Harrenhal.
>And I still waiting proofs of
>>>Lyanna went with Rhaegar out of her own free will
See>>71827745
>>71827870
Stop posting the shitty ones
these ones are better
>>71827923
The show?
That's made by the only 2 people in the world other than GRRM who know how the story is going to end?
>>71827762
>a greyjoy
>doing anything but being irrelevant
o i am laffin
>>71827805
wait is this a good or a bad thing?
>>71827824
>CIA overacts in every scene he's in
how DARE YOU this scene was subtle and beautiful.
>>71827951
>Also "Jaehaerys". If Lyanna was kidnapped and raped, why give the kid a Targaryen name?
Pure speculations, not proofs.
>>71827969
A bad thing m8
>>71827805
>>71827969
Daily reminder that dual-wielding longswords was a totally historically accurate thing to do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rewvqm4pdw
>>71827963
And where in the show is it said that Lyanna named his kid Jaehaerys?
>>71827964
he's obviously gonna take Theon/Yara's place in the books
if he survives Dany might make him heir to the Iron Islands after all is said and done
>>71827933
i don't think Diana Rigg is as good as Lena Headey but we can agree to disagree famalam
>>71827589
Shit writing.
>>71827998
>Daily reminder that dual-wielding longswords was a totally historically accurate thing to do
Nope, no single evediences about 2 swords, only dagger+sword.
>>71827996
>bookEuron is a cartoony showRamsay-esque mary sue who gets overpowered because he had been in Essos a lot
>DRAGONBINDER
>VALYRIAN STEEL ARMOR
yet you call the show anime because of THAT?
kys my man
>>71828009
and thus become the heir of the painfully irrelevant
>>71828034
Here's your (You)
>>71828030
stop being a smartass and acting like you know anything about it
Watch his 2-3 videos about it
He literally says there are no huge disadvantages in wielding two longswords if you are skilled, only that shields are just way better
He EVEN goes into that greatswords (dawn) are also way worse than shields
>>71827994
Well what do you want? TWoW isn't out yet, assuming TWoW will answer anything, it's all speculation.
Not much point to a conversation when your only response is "lol nope", whatever opinion you hold is no more valid than mine, but you seem to have trouble actually discussing your opinions.
You have opinions, right?
>>71827824
i thought his acting was really good in the vale law and order scene. you can see his expression changing in the background as sansa tells her lie from "fuck she's gonna rat me out" to "fuck i love this girl"
he manages to look proud and turned on at the same time. that's talent.
>>71828034
>>bookEuron is a cartoony showRamsay-esque mary sue who gets overpowered because he had been in Essos a lot
>hurr only strong independent womyn could be Marry Sue
>yet you call the show anime because of THAT?
Why not? We have Nomads, who doesn;'t look like nomads and use egyptian swords, we have SJW-shitfest, we have dual swords fighting,. it's like anime meets with buergers.
Should women be aloud to read ASOIAF?
Without the fame GRRM would've wrote the books already and they would of been better.
>>71828077
you're right that's one of his better scenes. it was an oversight to say that he overacts in every single scene, as this anon >>71827988 points
still you can't deny that, generally, he has a knack of overacting
>No lady stone heart
>Walder Frey is now dead so no reason for lady stone heart to exist
Why live?
>>71828123
I wouldn't be surprised if LS makes an appearance just to give Jon the name Stark
Is s1 still the best?
>>71827923
It's actually a fan theory under the apparent fact that Lyanna can be seen mouthing "...aerys", but there is more to it than that.
Lyanna in her final moments didn't bother to put Rhaegar's reputation in the dirt herself, instead warned Ned what Robert would do to Jon.
>>71828123
Indeed, how will Jaime and Brienne pay for their crimes now?
>>71828063
>stop being a smartass and acting like you know anything about it
Well yes, unlike hipster I knew something about medival history.
>He literally says there are no huge disadvantages in wielding two longswords if you are skilled
So what/ If 2 swords were useful, why they never were mentioned in historical sources or european fencing schools?
>>71828070
>Well what do you want?
Admit that there is no proofs that Lyanna named her son by Targ's name after rape.
>>71827432
What's Jaime's alignment? Cersei? CIA?
>>71827745
It's daenerys, moron
>>71828110
when is Stannis coming back though? S7e8 is my guess.
>>71828145
yes.
>>71828172
Jaime and CIA are Chaotic Neutral
It could be argued that Jaime switches to True Neutral later on though.
Cersei is Neutral Evil, and Chaotic Evil post sept explosion.
>>71828155
>Admit that there is no proofs that Lyanna named her son by Targ's name after rape
That's literally what I just said. It's all speculation because we have no POV of characters during Robert's Rebellion, which is why your adamance that Lyanna was raped is also unwarranted.HoweverBran's POV is a new light, and Lyanna's failure to denounce Rhaegar and instead warn Ned of Robert is proof enough for me right now, with or without Jon's name theory.
Robert Baratheon ruined the seven kingdoms, of that he is guilty. If Rhaegar raped Lyanna Stark fine, good on him. Rhaegar's faults won't fix Robert's, and the former's were far less than the latter's.
>>71828113
yeah i won't argue with that. but he has his moments so obviously he can act well if he wants. so either he overeacts on purpose or it's just shitty direction he's getting from certain directors.
>"that was good but let's shoot it again and this time try to be even MORE obviously evil and sinister, we don't want the audience to be confused."
>>71828147
So it's just fanfic-tier guesswork then, great.
>>71826423
The 3 most retarded houses in the story finally teaming up together.
first for going to /s/ to wank 'cos this is ghayyyyy
>>71828246
>Robert Baratheon ruined the seven kingdoms
>the only one good king in the last Westeros century
>ruined seven kingdoms
>>71828091
I don't think women should even be taught to read.
>>71828224
nice, i agree with all of this. i often see alignment charts put CIA as chaotic evil but i agree with you.
>>71828274
too true
>>71828302
>Robert
>good king
>>71828256
Anyone who supports:
>Any targ bar aegon
>Jon
>Sansa
>meme dwarf
Does never indulge himself in actual logical discussion
>>71828091
women should be kept in captivity like cattle tbhfam
>>71828324
>peace
>all great bonuses loyal
>no mass murders
>bad king
>>71828332
aegon is a blackfyre reee
>>71828354
>women should be kept in captivity like cattle
>>71828380
Glad we agree, Mr.ClassyHat
>>71828316
wow remember when they used to bother trying to soften dany's eyebrows?
>>71828302
>Plunged the Seven Kingdoms into immeasurable debt
>Indirectly caused the War of the Five Kings by being a drunken, irresponsible loser who raised The Mad King 2.0
>Set up the Iron Bank to fund literally anybody who would raise a sword to him
>>71828419
>>71828436
he didn't raise mad king 2.0 that was really cersei's poisoning of him.
Unless you count Robert's complete disinterest in the little cunt as being the cause of this malignant fuckness
>>71828453
she looks better with the dark brows desu famalam
>>71828481
how did Cersei "poison" Joffrey? And why were Mrycella and Tommen such sweet children if Cersei was to blame?
>>71828485
i don't think so senpai
>>71828481
>Unless you count Robert's complete disinterest in the little cunt as being the cause of this malignant fuckness
>King would rather whore and drink than raise his son correctly
>surprised when he becomes psychotic from being raised by his crazy mother
Robert fucked up badly both as a King and a father. He was overal terrible for Westeros. The real question is why didn't Jon Arryn, Stannis or Renly do anything about Joffrey?
>>71828515
you are the next in line blah blah
you can do what you want blah blah
we are all better than the rest of the scum blah blah
>>71828485
I don't agree.
She was so much prettier episode 1 in my opinion.
Now they've stopped caring about how dark her hair gets, and she's gained some weight desu
>>71828481
Joffrey was worse than Cersei, this is easily shown after he assumes the throne. He outgrows her and casts her out.
Robert neglected him profoundly, he admits this on his deathbed. A King that eats, sleeps and fucks while his council runs the kingdom. What a guy.
Truth be told, Baelish is probably the most directly antagonistic to the Seven Kingdoms, but Roberts ruled nothing but his own ignorance. He lived ignorant, ignorant of the reality in front of him, until the day he was murdered.
>>71828419
remember when they told her to get into shape for shooting?
>>71828566
You've a point, but Robert's just as much to blame. I don't think we saw Robert speak to Joffrey once.
>>71828556
well Jon didn't get much of a chance, as soon as he found out he was poisoned and stannis was away moping about on dragonstone whining about how he didn't get what he should have got.
Renly I presume was face deep in boy poosi to give much of a damn
>>71828569
I just prefer the darker hair and darker brows, the weight yeah I could do without
>>71828609
how come he dont want me man
>>71828647
cause you can't fight for shit, and Robert likes the company of big tough guys. Not people who have to get other's to fight for him
>>71828647
>tfw you realize joffrey wasn't acting in this scene
>>71828681
>>71828515
because cersei didn't give a fuck about them.
she only really cared about Joffrey, and Cersei's "care" is toxic.
When Joffrey butchered a pregnant cat just to see the kittens, and Robert beat the shit out of him, she threatened to kill him in his sleep..
Ok I'm not advising beating up kids, but Cersei probably didn't do anything to Joffrey. She probably consoled him and stuff. Then she took his side against Tyrion (or anything logical&reasonable), and so on.
>>71828689
>cersei didn't give a fuck about them
perhaps it's that way in the books, but in the show she loves all of her children dearly, there's no denying it. it's the main reason she's such a cunt to everyone she deems a threat
>>71828636
I didn't really mean about the incest thing though. I just mean why didn't those 3 do anything about Joffrey being a fucking cunt. I mean surely they would have seen him plenty around the Red Keep, and heard about shit like him killing the cat. Idk why there wasn't really an attempt to foster him anywhere, or have him serve as a squire or something
>>71828689
i don't advise beating kids either but if they're killing pregnant cats maybe it's time.
>>71828766
because that doesn't make for good drama anon
>>71828609
Fathers don't seem to do all that much to raise their boys once they're of age... They put them in the yard so they fight shit, and have them hang around at court and stuff...
We don't see Eddard teach Robb anything either.
Fathers raise their sons to be fighters, and the maesters try to get them to not be retarded.
Joffrey knows how to fight (kinda) but no one seems to have taught him much. And if anything Cersei made him dumber.
This show is about as respectable as a CW show at this point. Why are you here?
>>71828756
>Attempts to protect Joffrey and get him interested in normal king shit, specifically Margaery
>Gets murdered
>Goes on a witch hunt against Tyrion
>Oh, he escaped
>Forgets about Joffrey and Tyrion next season
>Myrcella gets shipped off
>I'll get you for this Tyrone
>Never does
>Myrcella dies, in Jaime's arms no less
>Both of them forget about her next season
>Tommen about to be poisoned by Cersei out of mercy for fear of Stannis during the Blackwater siege
>Fast forward 4 seasons
>Tommen gives the city it's name
>Burn him
She's just Macbeth in reverse. Seriously, the prophecy is the weakest part of the entire series, show and books alike.
Character development by sulking as soon as the plot device is randomly introduced. Fantastic.
>>71828796
Robb was a well-rounded, polite, respectable boy though.
It seems to me when your son is the prince of the seven kingdoms and he does things like kill pregnant cats so he can see the half-kittens inside, there's a bit of urgency there to be a good father
>>71828766
>Idk why there wasn't really an attempt to foster him anywhere, or have him serve as a squire or something
I think in one of the Tyrion chapters mentions that Cersei refused to let Joffrey be fostered, and gets pissed off when Tyrion sends Tommen to squire to get him out of King's Landing in the event Stannis attacks
>>71828878
> think one of the Tyrion chapters mentions*
>>71828766
Cersei would have put up a hell of a fight if anybody tried to take her joff joff away. Look at her reaction to mycella so I don't think that would ever have been a likely option.
Maybe they never heard about it, or in the case of the cat Robert told Jon that he was going to handle it himself.
I get your point though - somebody should have heard about it and tried to deal with the little shit much earlier
>>71828756
Yeah she seemed really destroyed when Tommen died.
>show me
>oh it's my son.
>NOW GIVE ME MY CROWN!
Cersei -probably- loved Joffrey, but the other 2, not so much. In the show we don't have the thoughts so it's harder to figure out shit, but in the books she barerly ever think of Myrcella well-being, she only thinks about Tyrion being an asshole for sending her away... She thinks of Tommen not in terms of love, but in terms of "have to keep him safe because he's the king". If he dies, she has no power as queen regent anymore. Well on the show she corwned herself queen so I guess she holds even more power, but thing is, her other 2 children (or maybe all 3) were more of her political toys.
That might also be why she hated Myrcella being sent away; Cersei doesn't get anything out of it. And she doesn't really think about or talk to Tommen at all until Joffrey's death. Then Tommen is the most important person in the world for her... why? Not because he's her son. He was always her son, but she didn't give a fuck about him before. But now he's the son who gives her a bit of power.
>>71828796
>We don't see Eddard teach Robb anything either
Robb is pretty much already of age at the start of the series. Eddard is busy with Bran, who he is shown personally teaching a lesson in leadership with the deserter's execution.
Something like that is all it takes. One moment to look back on, one idea to keep you in check, to remember. If Bobby had given Joffers just one real lesson, it might've turned out differently.
>>71828865
I'm not even going to argue the point with you. Her love for her children has been noted by multiple characters, and has been apparent throughout the entire series. It's the backbone of her character. You're simplifying things quite a bit.
And Cersei burning Tommen was D&D's hamfisted way of showing the viewer that Cersei has become the Mad King
>>71828901
oddly enough I think the best scenario for Joffrey would have been to send him to Tywin. It'd likely be much harder for Cersei to object to sending the boy to his grandfather, and Tywin would have whipped his bitch ass into shape real quick.
>>71828924
>If Bobby had given Joffers just one real lesson, it might've turned out differently.
well when he beat the shit out of him for the cat thing, that was a 'lesson'... it didn't stick tho, Joffrey kept on doing the same things for the rest of his life.
Shooting peasants with a crossbow for fun is the adult version of cutting open cats, really.
If beating the shit out of him didn't make the lesson stick, do you really think a few words wouldn't done the trick?
Thing is, Cersei was spending the most time with Joffrey, and would've undone anything Robert could've done. And Robert couldn't change that (spend more time with Joffrey than Cersei does), he's not a fucking wetnurse and that's medieval'ish era, fathers, especially kings, can't really spend that much time with their sons.
>>71828922
Cersei is one of the only characters in the show that develops at all. By the time she sees that Tommen is dead, she's degraded into a reincarnate of the Mad King, and isn't much surprised by his death because the witch told her it would happen years ago. Do you need a soliloquy lamenting her children's death to believe that she loved her children? If you think she only loves her children as a reflection of her own power, I think you're misunderstanding her character entirely.
>>71829002
>Her love for her children has been noted by multiple characters, and has been apparent throughout the entire series. It's the backbone of her character.
>You're simplifying things quite a bit.
desu YOU are simplifying things quite a bit.
The only argument for the 'she loved her children' thing is "People said so!".
The only thing we ever see her do about her children is trying to keep them safe - even against good sense sometime, see : blackwater battle. But that behavior is the same for someone who loves his children and someone who only wants to keep them alive because muh children without particularly loving them.
I mean I don't particularly love everyone in my family but I'd fight to death anytime to keep them alive. Because they're family.
Just because Tyrion said something doesn't mean it's true.
>>71829028
>Shooting peasants with a crossbow for fun is the adult version of cutting open cats
Not really. The latter was out of curiosity, no different than Qyburn. The former would be the cause of...having the shit beaten out of you by an authority.
There was no lesson to go along with the beating, so what's the lesson? When people do shit you don't like, beat the shit out of them, and that's what Joffrey did as king. He got drunk off of beating people.
>>71829028
>beat the shit out of an already abusive kid
>i'm sure that'll teach him to quit being abusive
t Robert
>>71829014
If you want to defend GRRM I guess you could say that Jon Arryn probably thought Tywin would turn Joffrey into a Lannister puppet (>implying, I know)
I think it's more strange that none of the Stark boys were fostered. I know, I know >muh plot but still
>>71829014
I totally agree, Tywin even mentions something similar after he takes Ned's head - (can't remember if he mentions cersei or 'someone') needs to get him under control
i just realized something
>beric coats his sword in fire, gets killed by the hound in a trial by combat
>oberyn coats his spear in poison, gets killed by gregor in a trial by combat
is this poetry?
>>71829069
Like I said, Cersei's entire character is based on her protectiveness of her children. If you don't see that, I can't make you see it. I suppose you think Cersei is a cunt for the sake of being a cunt.
I still miss him.
>>71828831
the fuck is a CW?
>>71829064
>By the time she sees that Tommen is dead, she's degraded into a reincarnate of the Mad King, and isn't much surprised by his death because the witch told her it would happen years ago
Yeah, the prophecy is weak. Her character only starts to change when the audience is conveniently introduced to the plot device. The Witch should've been in S1 to have any real impact.
>Do you need a soliloquy lamenting her children's death to believe that she loved her children?
It'd be nice. At least we'd get to see some acting. I'd rather watch scenes of actors than scenes of plot devices shuffling about.
>>71829151
he'll live on
in yourbooks
>>71829127
I'm hoping that dani coats herself in something as soon as possible next season then
>>71829177
>The Witch should've been in S1 to have any real impact.
But the witch is only introduced when Cersei starts getting chapters, wasn't she?
And putting that prophecy in season 1 would be a huge tip off for showfags that never read the books
>>71826978
>>71827146
No you autist read them in the order they were released, it does a much better job at world building.
>>71829096
>parents have spanked their kids for hundreds of years
>it never really worked, but they keep doing it, just for fun
>>71829134
>protectiveness
we were talking about love...
Cersei only wanting to protect her children (and not particularly loving them) was MY entire point.
>>71829177
>Yeah, the prophecy is weak. Her character only starts to change when the audience is conveniently introduced to the plot device. The Witch should've been in S1 to have any real impact.
I don't disagree that D&D's writing isn't great.
>At least we'd get to see some acting. I'd rather watch scenes of actors than scenes of plot devices shuffling about.
Are you saying that Lena Headey is doing a poor job of acting? Because she's the only reason the show is watchable. Who's better?
>>71829274
>Who's better?
>>71829177
>Yeah, the prophecy is weak. Her character only starts to change when the audience is conveniently introduced to the plot device. The Witch should've been in S1 to have any real impact.
I disagree. The writing should just have made Cersei act like she had to before the witch, that's it.
The witch should've been a "Oh, that's why Cersei is crazy!" reveal, but instead it was more like "NOW Cersei is gonna go crazy because she knows all her child will die and she'll go ways to try and prevent it!"!
But while the viewers just came to know it now, Cersei was supposed to know it for her entire life so absolutely nothing should've changed after this scene... It did change tho.
The writing is to blame. They didn't have to put it in S1, only to have S1+ Cersei always act like someone who saw that prophecy. And people would assume she's just a cunt for no reason, then they'd learn something with that scene.
>>71829238
>Once after learning a kitchen cat was pregnant, Joffrey killed the animal and cut open its belly to see the kittens inside. He showed one of the unborn kittens to his father. Robert was so shocked and angry he hit the boy so hard it knocked out two of his baby teeth
>>71829274
>Who's better?
>>71827146
I personally don't like the audiobooks I'd rather just read the books.
>>71829327
I hope you're not the same anon because not only is Littlefinger a plot device unto himself, his acting is worse than Headey's by a lot.
>>71829261
Well I disagree. D&D's writing doesn't do Cersei that much justice, but Lena Headey's acting evokes the stop-at-nothing love of a mother. For me, anyway.
>>71829404
>not only is Littlefinger a plot device unto himself, his acting is worse than Headey's by a lot.
>>71829354
I agree that he's good, but his character doesn't give him the time to shine. And if it were up to him, I don't think he could carry the show the way Headey does.
>>71829274
>Are you saying that Lena Headey is doing a poor job of acting?
Of course not. She has some of the best scenes during the earlier seasons.
I'm saying the show doesn't allow for acting any more. Every scene is just quick cuts, terrible editing and little to no dialogue between characters.
Cersei's only notable scene in 10 hours of content was what? The 30 second "torture" of Sept Unella?
All she did the entire season was shuffle about the Red Keep with zombie Gregor.
>I choose violence
There was a time when she would've gone off on a whole sneer-ridden tirade to Lancel and something like that would've been the final word. Instead it's the only line.
>>71829441
Well I agree that the writing in s6 got really, really poor. Just like it was in s5. So bad that the few great actors the show had can't really make up for it any longer.
My praise of Cersei was based more on her s1-4 performances
>>71829332
>They didn't have to put it in S1, only to have S1+ Cersei always act like someone who saw that prophecy
I agree with what you're saying. Don't show the scene, but show Cersei how she is in post-Joffrey's death.
The problem is post-Joffrey Cersei is just weak. She's essentially just waiting.
>They have tied me to a stake. I cannot fly,
But, bearlike, I must fight the course.
Except Cersei doesn't have any lines like this any more. She was snarky when I guess she assumed the prophecy was false, then Joffrey died and shit got real.
God dammit how did the writing get so lazy.
>>71829404
>not only is Littlefinger a plot device unto himself, his acting is worse than Headey's by a lot.
That's your opinion.
>>71829526
mind blown
>>71828689
>>71828922
You guys are getting it wrong.
Cersei's entire thing was that her children were the most important thing to her. They were almost all she cared about. She was the lion who looked after her cubs.
The only reason why we didn't see her with Tommen when Joffrey was still alive was because the show's main focus was on him.
Let's not forget during the Battle of Blackwater when she was with Tommen and was prepared to poison him in fear that Stannis's men would reach them and his fate would be something worse.
That might be a strange example of care, but it really does show how devoted she is to them..
She also started feeling disconnected from Tommen when he married Margaery, she was imprisoned and he did nothing about it, and he devoted himself to the High Sparrow. She obviously still cared about him, and was hurt, but she knew where it was going.
The reason why by the time Tommen died she seemed unaffected was after her two other children died she knew what that witch said was true. All of her children were going to die. She wasn't surprised when Tommen died, but she still wanted to see his corpse to remind her of all her enemies that played their parts in her children's demise.
The only reason she's filled with so much rage at this point is because of the death of her children. That's what's driving her to fight.
>>71828922
Cersei definitely loved Joffrey. She willfully mistook his insanity and cruelty as just "willfullness", which she associates with strength.
By comparison, Myrcella and Tommen being kind, sweet children makes them look weak and worthless to her.
wooow it's been five years and he still isn't finished with the book yet
>>71829812
That fat bastard is going to die before he finishes the books.
Bran King of Westeros when?
>>71829630
>>71829815
>tfw you'll never be her Qyburn
>tfw you'll never have your Cersei
>>71829151
s4 Stannis best Stannis desu
>>71829630
I wonder how long she will last. She fucks herself over and over...
>>71829853
TSUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
>>71829815
Would you fuck her in a broken tower in Winterfell while the King is out hunting?
What was the point of killing these two characters off in the most elaborate ways when both of them were going to die in the wildfire explosion anyway?
Was she just hoping that little kid would stab Lancel and he would crawl all that way to the candles, only for it to blow up in his face seconds before blowing it out?
And why did the High Sparrow send like three guys to go get Cersei after he had just sent a team of Sparrows to bring Cersei to him, only to have the Mountain fucking rip off one of their skulls? What was his plan to begin with?
>>71829910
High Sparrow wanted to be martyred.
