People, let's not forget, this is the more realistic, more cynical end of the Superhero scale. THIS version of Superman doesn't have that stupid "turning back time" crap that previous versions had. He isn't some flawless being that saves everyone and instantly solves every problem. He isn't the man that sneezes and destroys a Solar System. This version of Superman is not a God or a walking Deus Ex Machina. This version of Superman is wracked with terrible anxiety and insecurity. He struggles to find his place in the world - to get people to accept him. He strives to do the right thing, no matter what, but sometimes even that isn't enough. People criticize him rather unjustly. They blatantly insult him without offering any regard to how much it hurts. They viciously attack him verbally, even though he's doing the very best he can with what he has. Ultimately, though, I believe this Superman isn't the finished product. He's still on his way to becoming the ideal hero we've adored since his creation. He just needs more time to prove himself. Show the critics and those that mercilessly assaulted him that he isn't wrong. Moreover, let's not forget that this whole film was about Superman and Batman butting heads at first, but then learning that the other one isn't the bad guy. That by working together, they can accomplish far more good than they could alone. This is what sets the stage for Justice League and the films beyond. If only, if only people would just give them a chance - and not be so quick to be so harsh.
>>71802693
>"turning back time" crap
that was honestly so dumb.
>time is like a wind-up clock and you can reverse its direction by making the earth spin the other way
lol. just lol.
but yeah dude modern superman sucks dicks
>>71802693
0/10
Nice try, Snyder.
>>71802693
The character doesn't have to be a campy caricature with a 60s radio announcer voice but he also doesn't have to be on the opposite side of the spectrum. We already have Batman being dark as fuck, couldn't Superman have brought at least some levity to the film? The guy is a literal fucking god and all he does is sulk like a big fat pussy
>>71802693
>This version of Superman is
>But at least he doesn't turn back time
Stupid as it was, it was at least a feat worthy of Superman. I literally can't recall anything this one did that was as spectacular.
Should gods live among us?
>>71803267
They already do
>>71802693
>This is what sets the stage for Justice League and the films beyond. If only people would just give them a chance.
You're absolutely right! Why don't we wade through 3 shit movies of Superman being a sulking whiny faggot so that maybe we he stops being a faggot in the 4th or 5th movie we can finally understand and enjoy him more as a character!
Or better yet why not make him NOT A HUGE STEAMING PIECE OF SHIT FROM THE GODDAMN GET-GO SO WE MIGHT WANT TO WATCH THOSE NEXT FEW MOVIES!!!
>>71803198
>Not muh Superman
>>71803330
Fuck off.
>>71803243
It's a memorable scene too. His space daddy forbid him, but he listened to his Earth daddy in order to save the woman he loves.
Still love that scene to this day. Snyder Man has a bunch of world ending shit going on but that shit is nothing compared to the scale going on in Donner. That silence and then the screaming before storming off was top tier.
>>71803353
>Superanon
Snyder, pls. Stop making movies.
>>71803199
>going to these lengths to convince yourself that that BVS isn't a steaming pile of dogshit
>>71803354
Did the mere sight of Trump offend you, reddit? I thought you liberals were all about freedom of opinion?
>>71803330
best and only answer
>>71803367
That's just it. For all the Donner films were camper than a row of pink tents, they will be remembered.
It's theme tune is still synonymous with Superman.
Nothing Snyder ever achieves will come close.
>>71803440
Didn't even read your post.
Just fuck off.
>>71803524
But hey, at least no memory kiss, right?
>>71803199
Is this that 1.jpg cuck?
>>71803597
>being this buttmad
>>71803624
>>71802693
>THIS version of Superman doesn't have that stupid "turning back time" crap that previous versions had.
Nigga the flash time traveled to talk to batflleck. shut the fuck up
>>71803656
>>71802693
>this is the more realistic, more cynical end of the Superhero scale.
Making Superman a cynical objectivist narcissist doesn't make it good. It makes it bad.
>This version of Superman is not a God
Tell that to the retarded characters. Lex Luthor literally can't discern the difference.
>He struggles to find his place in the world
Pouts, whines, only saves his girlfriend in the entire movie.
>People criticize him rather unjustly.
He's a selfish destructive cunt that destroyed half a city then sabotaged and threatened the US military at the end of his origin story.
>Ultimately, though, I believe this Superman isn't the finished product.
No shit. The movies are dogshit made by an ADHD dipshit.
>If only, if only people would just give them a chance
Literally watched BvS over a dozen times. It's bad.
It was demonstrated that fanboys are cancer when they'd rather indulge their power fantasy with a boy scout Superman than to enjoy a profound, meaningful story relevant to contemporary society.
>>71803687
Traveled back in time to warn Bruce
In his dream
>>71803770
>Profound
>Meaningful
>Relevant
But it wasn't any of those.
>>71803771
Goddamn that was so fucking stupid. I hate this film so much.
>>71803770
>profound, meaningful story relevant to contemporary society.
Too bad BvS was none of these things. Maybe it would have been interesting.
>>71803766
>hates a character/movie this much
>watches it a dozen times
Nice job getting conned by the DCucks retard
>>71802693
>THIS movie about a man dressed as a bat fighting an alien with superpowers is serious and realistic!
Fuck off, dark gritty capeshit and le fun marvel capeshit are as bad as each other.
Also a five year old could have predicted Batman and Superman becoming allies, so you're a retard to use that to defend this movie.
>>71804002
>I'm 12 and wut am piracy...?
>>71804083
>being this stupid
I was referencing watching a movie you self-admittedly hate a dozen times, not the cost of going to the theater, retard.
>>71804135
>Give it a chance
>Hurrrrr you gave it multiple chances LOL LEL KEK
>>71804191
I'm not OP you brain dead moron. I think the movie is shit but the difference between you and me is that I didn't wast 30 hours of my life to figure it out.
>>71803766
Actual line from the movie:
>We have always created icons in our own image. What we've done is we project ourselves on to him.
Good job in projecting your narcissism and cynicism.
Also, only the most blue-pilled faggots get this assblasted by objectivism.
>>71804244
Can't even do Math...
>>71804266
You want your rod back?
>>71803597
hahahaha the irony
>>71804296
12*2.5 = 30
Go back to bed kiddo
>>71804266
You're a fucking idiot.
>>71804360
Do you know what irony is?
>>71804373
>Not watching at double speed
>>71803766
You watched it 12 times and yet you failed to understand it. Pic related.
Lex's plan revolves around proving that Superman ISN'T a god. Ironically, he succeeds but it backfires. Superman is given a man's burial and seen as a hero worth being inspired by, not a god to be adored.
>If you seek my monument look around you.
>The fact is, maybe he's not some sort of Devil or Jesus character. Maybe he’s just a guy trying to do the right thing.
>>71802693
>People,
Into the trash it goes.
Superman has always sucked dick.
>>71803770
Nailed it.
>>71804560
None of this makes it a good film. I don't understand why snyder fags can't understand this basic concept.
>>71803771
That was the same Kryptonian dream tech that Zod used in MoS. It's a good idea to keep time travel as limited as you can if you're using it in your story. My bet is that it also takes a power source beyond the Flash's own to open the portal, however small that it is. If you really wanted to limit the accessibility of time travel, you'd use an ultra-rare fuel source for it, too.
"Did you get it? The rock?"
Mr. Anon, Mr. Anon!
What's your position on the janitor on /tv/?
>>71804622
No, it makes it a great film.
>>71804731
THE BELL CANNOT BE UNWRUNG MMMM BOYS
DING DING DING DING DING DING
>>71804622
Why don't you just admit you're too stupid to understand it?
>>71804885
I'll respect your opinion, but it was absolute trash to me.
>>71804920
>i-it's nit that the film is bad, it's just that you don't understand it!
t. Snydercuck.
>>71804952
Totally fair. It's my hope that as the story expands and the world-building progresses, you'll come to appreciate it more.
The movie had the most generic and predictable plot of all last capeshit movies. Why do some snyderfags act like it was some masterpiece? Dialogs are awful, characterization are stupid. They have superior comic universe to apdapt and still make shit. HOW?!
>>71804885
This movie really didn't earn Supes' death but I really liked how they set up it t b h. Same with Doomsday - fight was eh, but Batman vs Doomsday suspense was quite enjoyable
>>71804985
there are many references to classic art as well as 80s comic books, a solid plot and character development
nah, it's just that you have shit taste OR you're too dumb to get the references and think they don't make sense
>>71805019
I hope so too. I want for there to be some real competition in the cape film giants so they push each other to step outside of the box.
>>71804622
>no u
Just apologize and spare us the tears.
>>71805078
>a solid plot and character development
That's where you lost me. There were neither of these things in this film. Batman starts off a broody, angry killer and ends a broody killer. Wonder Woman had no character, same with Amy Adams. Superman is broody and mopey and ends up dead, or comatose to be more accurate I guess. But I never really expect too much character developement from capefilms, so that's fine.
And the poor editing probably aided the film because it took away attention from the laughably stupid plot.
>>71803771
so traveling back in time into some ones dream is not as dumb as superman flying around the world to turn back time?
>>71805156
>movie didn't even crack $900 million
>three tweets
Whatever makes you feel better, Zack.
>>71805350
Traveling back in time into someone's dream is at least twice as stupid.
>>71803089
It has nothing to do with the Earth, you just see the Earth begin to go backwards from his perspective after he goes faster than the speed of light and moves himself backwards along the temporal axis of spacetime.
fucking non-believers
kys right the fuck now
>>71805592
YOU'RE A FUCKING KRYPTONIAN MALE!
>>71802693
And yet Donner's Superman is still infinitely more likable than this one. Maybe it's because the writing, acting, and set design is better.
>>71803597
It was three words, you little cuck. Sad!
>31.8MB for one black and white photo
>>71806273
>>71803354
>>71803597
Why are you on 4chan?
>>71806344
They're so incompetent.
>>71805974
What did Snyder mean by that? And does anyone have a picture of the tall blonde qt next to this SAD nu-male?
>>71806415
Why are you on /tv/? If you wanna discuss trump, go to /pol/.
>>71806461
I don't want to discuss Donald Trump. I didn't post that picture. I'm just pointing out you don't belong on 4chan if you're a numale cuck who hates him.
>>71802693
>He isn't some flawless being that saves everyone and instantly solves every problem
He usually isn't.
>>71806486
I'm genuinely surprised one comment telling a trump poster to fuck off got this many people so triggered.
Cuck cuck numale cuck.
>>71803089
In theory if he flew fast enough, faster then lightspeed he'd go back in time. (I know he can't, because physics.) If he did this around the earth, in a counterclockwise fashion, he'd be turning back time. The idea itself isn't that bad. I'm glad they don't give him this power. Flash doing this in his tv show is bad enough. Really bad.
In comics it's frustrating as well, but I can try to avoid reading it.
>>71804622
If you don't get the concept of sacrificing yourself to save the ones you love, or the survival of others in general, you will think this makes it a bad film. Empathy. Love. Compassion. Sacrifice. I'm glad this isn't a sappy everybody wins in the end movie. No victory without sacrifice. No salvation without sacrifice. No redemption without...
>>71805463
Not him, and I wish you were right, but if you watch the movie again, he actually starts flying in the opposite direction to make the world turn the right direction again when he's done.
>>71806597
That's the spirit anon, be proud of what you are.
>>71806841
He just does that so he has a point of reference for which way in time he's going. He doesn't have to do it that way.
>>71806887
>still triggered
Trump supporters are so sensitive.
>>71803440
M'lady
You have low cinematic IQ if you think BvS was cynical about superheroes.
>>71806837
I get all of these concepts. The problem is that none of them are executed with any level of competency in this film.
>>71806945
>get mad and tell people to fuck off because Trump pics hurt your feelings
>pretend a couple posts later it's actually everyone else who's triggered
ok
>>71805975
Henry is a bad actor, yeah. Total miscast.
>>71807082
The worst part about BvS is that Ben Affleck was the best part about BvS.
So why did Superman always looked like he'd rather be somewhere else when saving people?
You literally never see him smile once. He always makes the same faggy face that looks like a mixture of boredom, angst and thoughtfulness.
>>71807109
Ben is a competent actor and director.
>>71807140
>You literally never see him smile once
False, but I get your point. Cavill has that constant anger look in his face that dominates his 'acting' (if you can call it acting)
Capeshit should be realistic, mature and insightful
Here's a cave troll
>>71807051
Goddamn I'm sorry I triggered you so hard. Now that I know how easy it is to trigger you fags, I'll be more careful with my posts from now on.
>>71805141
I think maybe they're going to go all trippy and Kirby-esque with how magic works and how Superman's sort of responsible for its resurgence in the world(yes, there's tons of metanarrative implications to that). I'm hoping the bluray has as much cool world-building special features as MoS's had.
Shit thread.
>>71807168
I think Snyder made a good enough job deconstructing and then rebuilding the heroes with so little time.
WHY THE FUCK ARE WE STILL HAVING BATMAN V SUPERMAN THREADS
LITERALLY CAPESHIT OF THE WORST KIND
STOP POSTING THIS SHIT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HOW MUCH IS DC PAYING YOU
>>71807082
Holy shit, during this scene I laughed so hard at his expression.
>>71807245
>WHY THE FUCK ARE WE STILL HAVING BATMAN V SUPERMAN THREADS
Because no one is making any movies worth seeing anymore, this is the best we have.
>>71807272
I heard The Nice Guys was good. Never got a chance to see it though.
>>71807272
>>71807311
low cinematic iq.
>>71807160
I meant that you never see him smile while saving people.The only exception may be while he is saving Lois but I am not so sure about that.
And I am not sure if Cavill is completely at fault for this. It might just have been Snyder saying "he has to look like that at all possible times since the weight of being a Superhero is so heavy on his shoulders".
>>71807272
Yes, it's the best we have because everybody in this board only sees Blockbusters nowadays.
>>71807334
You probably thought Neon Demon was good.
>>71807387
There's literally nothing in theaters right now worth seeing if you don't live in a big city.
>>71807352
He drops a smile in the day of the dead scene and in the 'My World' scene, but it's not enough. Sure, he looks serious and angry in the recent comics too, but there are also lighter moments where he removes it. Cavill just can't.
It's just sort of a true statement that he is horrible actor. It's not on Snyder (completely), Cavill is horrible in just about everything he has been in. Snyder might not be good in directing his actors around the scene (not issue with Eisenberg or Affleck since they're good), but Cavill is completely terribad as actor.
I would like to like him as actor, so I could enjoy this film even more, but I can't.
>>71807410
low cinematic IQ
>>71802693
>He strives to do the right thing, no matter what
but he doesn't
it's literally just superman's power on a random faggot
that's the joke. that's the entire "deep" deconstruction. you come to see superman and all you get is jesus imagery glorifying an unremarkable asshole.
>>71807503
Tell us about the amazing films you are seeing in theaters.
>>71807140
>>71807160
In a lot of the scenes, especially the rescue montage, I think he's being asked to convey emotions that you're all coming close to naming but not quite getting:
When he first lands with the girl at the Day of the Dead festival, we see him briefly smile before the crowd starts reaching out to touch him like he's some sort of holy relic. The smile melts away to be replaced by an expression that's a mixture of frustration and confusion. Through the remainder of the montage, he's shown with a look of what could very well be preoccupation and continued frustration. It even concludes with him watching an interview with Senator Finch, and he's quite clearly still wrestling with some unstated quandary.
That's because what Lois said at the beginning is true of all mankind: "I don't know if it's possible for you to love me and be you." In one sense, that's her saying that even though he can conceivably always be there in a way that no other person ever could be, it's him essentially being a "helicopter boyfriend," but in a broader sense, it's this:
Clark's this sort of quiet, retiring guy and so is Superman, at least so far. In the aftermath of the bombing, you see him silently going about helping the police and EMTs. He can't do this. By remaining aloof and something of a cypher in the public eye, people are defining him in any way they want. He's not yet defined himself and adopted a public persona. His frustration, confusion, and preoccupation all arise from his fears that people, by virtue of seeing him as a god figure as opposed to an inspirational hero, are forcing him down a path not of his choosing and are only just too happy to follow him down it.
>>71807245
>why are we still having CIA threads
UUUU
>>71807654
low cinematic IQ
v. bad look.
>>71807711
Kill yourself.
>>71807245
well we still have MoS threads made by the same people who claim there is no better capeshit film since its being discussed three years after release.
So is TDKR but doesnt mean its good gotta love their logic
>>71807804
you could start by watching more films.
is always good step to improve cinematic IQ.
>>71807840
IN THEATERS, you dumb fuck.
>>71807866
yes, many good and great film show in silver screen in the past 15 years.
>People, let's not forget, this is the more realistic, more cynical end of the Superhero scale.
No, thats Watchmen, the only capekino by the way.
>>71807878
>>71802693
What exactly is compelling about a cynical take on superman?
>>71807878
>>71807897
>this English
Are you a poo in the loo?
>>71807986
No Murderman. Don't do it.
> This version of Superman is wracked with terrible anxiety and insecurity.
So he's just some random asshole in a cape?
>>71803766
>>71803198
>The guy is a literal fucking god and all he does is sulk like a big fat pussy
He is no god, anon. Put yourself in his shoes one moment. He's supposed to be there for 7 billion people but he is buy one guy. Whenever he intervenes he has to chose to let somebody else somewhere die yet they expect him to save everyone. On top of that, governments be it his own or foreign don't like that something so powerful can exist beyond their control. And even if he can't save them all, he tries to inspire mankind to do better, to "join him in the sun", but in the next town over there's a guy dressed like a bat marking human traffickers with red iron, there's a whole underworld of petty crimes and atrocious acts. The guy has only been wearing that cape for 2 years. It's normal that people doubt him and that he doubts himself. He still has a lot of work to do.
>>71807941
I cant resd that shit on my phone
>>71807246
Literally couldn't believe this made it into the movie.
>>71804885
I didn't come here for feels. ;_;
>>71806743
>f he did this around the earth, in a counterclockwise fashion
The direction wouldn't matter. Time does not obey the fucking direction we have our hour hands move. Jesus.
>>71805078
I thought the Lolita reference was funny.
>>71807669
>>71809138
This so much. Why is it so hard for people to understand this?
>>71812785
Because bunch of people want to hate the film. It's a decent film that gets insane amount of hate.
Are you perhaps the 50 year oldfag
>>71812847
Lol no I'm not 50 years old... but yeah I agree, I've never seen a film receive such a huge amount of vitriol and hatred before like this one. If people would watch this film with an open mind instead of some preconceived notions about how it's "supposed" to be, I think they'd enjoy it a lot more. But that's just my opinion.
>>71813029
Didn't Joker prank Superman to go evil in some story
how did that play out
>>71813073
That was Injustice. Took place in an alternate universe, where he becomes some sort of fascist dictator because Joker tricked him into killing Lois. You should play the game, it's great!
>>71807669
You know what's funny? I'm starting to think that a lot of the "public" lines we hear him say:
>"The Bat is dead. Bury it. Consider this mercy."
>"I'll take you in without breaking you."
are him trying and failing to find a public voice, sort of like he's mimicking his old comic book heroes. In effect, it's like he's trying to project a tough guy image because he thinks by being all "badass" like the Batman, he can convince people to stop looking at him like a religious figure.
>>71813226
Only game that I can be bothered to play is dota these days. Been that way for years. No other game gets me interested because the gameplay just aint as exciting.
>alt universe.
well, sort of everything is outside the 'main story'. nobody points 'alt universe' in the million different scrooge and donald duck stories but everybody is ready to point it out with cape stories, why is that?
>>71813301
BVS was all about breaking the people's perceived notions of him as a religious figure, Jesus, God whatever.
Atlas image gets broken.
Superman monument is Superman logo only.
I'm sure there's TON more to it if I rewatch it.
>>71813306
DC comics is known for stories revolving around alternate universes and parallel realities? That to me seems like a defining trait. I don't know if you read any comics, but Crisis on Infinite Earths is a good example of what I'm talking about.
>>71813479
I guess you have a point there that DC has an actual thematic and storyline that considers these stories, got me there.
That's not apparent in Scrooge or Donald Duck comics.
>>71807169
>n-nuh uh, I triggered you
Shut the fuck up
>>71802693
>Ultimately, though, I believe this Superman isn't the finished product.
If you actually look at it, Superman is slowly going through the Hero's Journey/Monomyth cycle throughout the movies. The first movie ends with him crossing the first threshold (with the supernatural aid being ghost Jor-El) and, being "in the whale" with the Zod fight (and being forced to kill him to get out) and finally meeting the goddess (Lois).
BvS starts his road of trials and really fleshes out the meeting the goddess part, shows how Lois and his mom can be used as temptation for him to stray, has literal atonement with the father scene, and ends with his "death."
Justice League, from all we have heard about it, will fulfill the final third of the Hero's Journey, with him coming back from his death.
>>71815029
It might check out those boxes, but boy does the execution lack.
The next movie will totally have the Superman we know and lover-right?
![maxresdefault[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/n3dcTPs.jpg "maxresdefault[2].jpg")
>>71802693
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP2LPJ6oqZs
>>71815114
not really, I loved it. Sorry you have shit taste friendo.
>>71815617
Still better hair tan Gal daGot
>>71802693
>This version of Superman is not a God
Then why all the Jesus references? It has a very depressing medieval European Christendom vibe to it, like Snyder thought he was making Braveheart or something. It's just really bad.
When will the endless shitposting about Snyder ever stop?
>>71815724
>>Then why all the Jesus references?
Most of them are to drive a point about public percieving him as a a jesus
>>71815800
why is his krypton dad perceving him as jesus?
>>71802693
yeah but does it have quips??
>>71815847
His father both in the Byrne comic and in Snyder film correctly muses on how citizens will see Kal-El.
>>71805019
Without all that dark filters, this suit looks great man why do you even make it look dark?
>>71815847
He says at the outset, "He'll be a god to them." Jor sees him as the savior of mankind and a bridge between Krypton's past and Earth's future. Here is his digital "ghost" looking upon his son and his godlike abilities and finding himself incapable of seeing him as anything other than a god himself.
Christ imagery would be meaningless to a Kryptonian, but it represents plenty to the audience. The religious iconography in these films plays so many different roles.
>>71816165
zack loves his brown and greys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIMp1MbmYPs
>>71816165
I believe that as more and more magic enters the DCEU, we're going to see a more vibrant color palette.
