RTD did everything wrong edition
Last thread >>71730816
The Doctor, Clara and a crew of six soldiers are stranded on a desolate outpost planet. They must reveal the secret of Aridia if they want to get to the Vault where the TARDIS is staying, but with frost creatures on their tail, survival is going to be a tough experience...
The episode would be taking place over the course of a week or two, and they live and sleep in different bases scattered on the surface of the planet.
>>71741583
Okay.
>>71741583
>The episode would be taking place over the course of a week or two, and they live and sleep in different bases scattered on the surface of the planet.
Wow, that's an actually good idea for an episode. You've outdone yourself.
Bill gets possessed by the water creature towards the episode 10x01. The Doctor must smack her arse to snap her out of it
>>71741485
Please let it die, let /who/ die
and let me die too
let me die
>>71741692
You mean it or you're memeing?
>>71741703
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>>71741703
water creature? moffat ripping off Waters of Mars now?
>>71741770
THE WATERS OF MOFF
Does anyone else like the idea that Five could have saved Adric but chose not to because he was an annoying twat? Like he thought "Fuck it, I'll just pop back to save him in a later incarnation, I just can't deal with any more of his shit right now"
>>71741746
/who/ WILL
NOT
DIE!
>>71741819
Probably watched it on loop on the TARDIS scanner for a bit, while Nyssa tried drowning herself in the TARDIS pool
>>71741864
kek
Does any of you know what happens when we die? I mean, about the water in our body. Does it start leaking out into air form or something?
BILL IS THE RANI
>>71741937
bodily fluids leak from every orifice.
>>71742008
Okay well I don't want a VNA level dark story so let's scrap that.
>>71741583
Aridius is already a DW planet m8.
>>71741583
What is the secret? The rest of this is a generic chase unless the secret is worth it.
>>71741485
RTD wasn't that bad. I think at the time many Who fans were so glad it was back on TV he was forgiven for his worst excesses.
>>71742099
Good things this time it's Aridia ;)
>>71742143
I was thinking we never find out. The planet is dying and the Vault is opening, the Doctor wants to know, has to know, but Clara begs the TARDIS to materialise over him just before he sees and the TARDIS itself goes away, mere seconds before the planet explodes. But I feel like it's a bit of a cop out ending like Listen so I'll probably rework that. I only have this basic summary right now.
Also I don't know if I should make them travel between bases as a whole group or have them be scattered by groups of 2 or 3 in different bases and they must uncover the secret together but without ever meeting, just earing each other. Trust issues could happen and close off certain characters leading them to be stuck because they didn't trust the Doctor and they die alone.
>>71741485
>revived the show and made it a hit after 16 years of wilderness
>preserved Big Finish
>gave us Moffat
>gave us Christopher Eccleston as the Doctor
>gave us based Donna
>everything wrong
>>71741770
Watersports of Mars
>>71742248
You should summon Gallifrey Immigrant
>>71741937
>>71742008
We just die. Usually an absorbant mat is placed beneath us beforehand.
From experience. I will never visit another deceased loved one in a Chapel of Rest or similar. The body is an empty 'shell', and it's terribly sad to realize that.
>>71742097
Series 2 > Series 9
Prove me wrong.
>>71742735
# of blowjob-giving paving slabs in series 9: 0
# in series 2: 1
>>71742803
elton and his girlfriend > osgood
>>71742803
/thread
>>71742836
Literally wrong.
>>71741819
10 saved him. 11 tells Jo in that SJA episode that he "visited all of them" before regenerating. And what we saw in EOT he was saving his friends from death so he probably went and saved poor adric.
>>71742864
warned!
>>71742860
okay then.
>>71742735
Come on now even I wouldn't shitpost this hard.
What are you listening to /who/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK7DA0FliIs
>>71742885
Another reason why Ten was the worst Doctor.
>>71742917
He's right tho
>>71742885
>gives jack a fucboi
>>71742885
doesnt mean he saved adric. might've just gone to the crashing freighter, stood and smirked at him, then left.
>>71742912
I knew you were going to say that.
>>71742918
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7i83yoQSo0
>>71742961
Headcanon accepted. You have actually done the impossible and given me reason to like Ten.
>>71742949
>He
>>71743001
after all, he only knocked that sontaran out. for all we know, it got back up and killed martha as soon as 10 walked away. Hence he probably just went to Adric, shook his hand, ruffled his hair and then skedaddled.
>not liking based adric
>>71743056
go to bed Matthew.
>Chibnall comes on board for Series 11
>series consists of 13 episodes
>four single episodes, a two-parter, four more single episodes, and a grand three-part finale
>single episodes are a good mix of awesome sci-fi with strange aliens and carefully constructed period episodes
>two-parter is trippy and mind-bending
>three-part finale is fucking amazing, Heaven Sent levels of amazing without the letdown of Hell Bent
>ushers in a shining new era such that everything before it is seen as the show "getting its legs"
>yfw
Paul McGann is coming to Dublin Comic Con in August. How autistic should I be around him
>>71743083
Hello Chris.
>>71743087
Print all the Basement pics and give it to him in a nice folder.
>>71743087
Print out one of the basement memes for him to sign.
>>71743128
Kek
>>71743128
>>71743152
record it too
>>71743128
>>71743152
Got a good one?
Adric is cute. CUTE!
>>71743087
Tell him you really liked him in The Upper Hand.
I don't understand how season 17 is a silly joke. There's lots of tame humor and a fun atmosphere with no great stories but no bad ones unless you count shada.
>>71743188
http://doctorwhogeneral.wikia.com/wiki/Basement_Mcgann
>>71743194
>>71743188
I'm afraid I haven't. I had to wipe my HDD for uh reasons.
>>71743103
I actually have no idea if it'll be that good. I just have hope.
>>71743188
DONT YOU DARE
>>71743194
>>71743087
Sing him the McGann Can Can
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv_glfYFFvg
>>71743261
You're gonna be disappointed m8.
>>71743311
Why? He's done a good job on Broadchurch.
>Tom Baker says he wanted Adric to be an idiot who didn't speak English, like Manuel from Fawlty towers
>Big Finish literally cast Manuel as Adric
BORADCHURCH
>>71743087
Get him to sign Paint Anon's artwork of him as Grandfather Paradox.
>>71743324
>He's done a good job on Broadchurch.
You watched Broadchurch right? How much of writing that show do you think carries over to successful Doctor Who writing?
>>71743324
I'm shamelessly quoting Charlie Brooker's Philomena Cunk here, but:
"Broadchurch 1: The question is "who's the murderer"
Broadchurch 2: The question is "What's the point?"
>>71743420
Broadchurch at least proves he can hold a decent drama together though. And at the very least, he can do consistency these days which is what we need after Hit and Miss Moff.
>>71743335
Borat Church?
>>71743447
More like Philomena Cuck :^^^^^^)
>>71743448
I'd rather have great imaginative stories with some inconsistencies here and there than consistent meh stories that are basically what we have since 1963.
I love Dimensions in Time.
>>71743457
Replace Borad with Borat. On a scale of one to a googolplex how much would that improve Timelash?
>>71743087
Don't mention Doctor Who. Say you're a fan of The Musketeers (even if you're not), and you've heard he is playing a major part in season 3.
Suppose you receive the news that somehowRefnhas become the new showrunner for Doctor Who, promising to play by the rules and keep it a family show.
Besides a visually stunning TARDIS andRyan Goslingas the Doctor, what do you expect?
>>71743087
Ask him when they're gonna get the gang back together to do Horatio Hornblower audio dramas.
>>71743518
"What we've had since 1963", all consistent meh stories? Crikey. Wonder how it's lasted so long with 50 years of consistent meh stories.
Also you don't know what Chibnall has in mind yet. Moff's eps in RTD's era, turns out, were not an indicator of what he'd produce during his time as showrunner.
>>71743535
First I would need someone to tell me who Refn is.
>>71743518
>I haven't actually watched the Hartnell era
>>71743535
Has he ever directed anything that wasn't rated R? I honestly would have no idea what to expect.
>>71743560
The director of Drive, Only God Forgives, the Pusher trilogy, Bronson, Valhalla Rising, and this year, the Neon Demon.
>>71743559
>>71743561
No I meant running down corridors stalked by a monster stories like 42. It wasn't creative. Consistent but meh.
>>71743588
He also wrote all of those besides Drive.
>>71743602
Have you even watched Doctor Who? That sounds like the stupidest massive over-generalisation I've ever heard.
>>71743561
Understandable. It was over 50 yrs ago.
>>71743602
Heaven Sent is literally the ultimate "running down corridors stalked by a monster" story.
>>71743588
I've not seen any of those.
>>71743626
I didn't say all stories were like that Jesus Christ, I said we've had those since 1963. There wasn't a twist. 42 could have been done in 1963, it didn't shake up the formula. That means after 50 years of having this kind of stories, it's just meh because it doesn't reinvent the wheel and isn't even good.
>>71743521
Dimensions in Time is brilliant, especially how it makes autists ree. I'd love more on-screen crossovers. Apparently Davies wanted to do one with Eccleston's Doctor and Star Trek Enterprise.
>>71743666
let's not assume that's all Chibnall is gunna do, is all I'm saying. we don't know what the guy's got planned.
>>71743647
But this time the Doctor was alone, it went on for weeks and there was a mystery that climaxed in the final 15 minutes which are a masterpiece.
>>71743682
Well yeah I didn't say otherwise I just said going by what he did his stories are meh but consistent whereas Moffat's aren't all the time but they're ambitious and great.
>>71743680
>especially how it makes autists ree.
To be fair I can see why it upset fans of the time, because it hurt Doctor Who's chances of coming back. Only true patricians appreciate it so to the general public it just reinforced the idea that DW was naff shit.
What if Chibnall treats the show like many other shows, in that there's a clear ongoing plot the whole time, even as they deal with individual threats each episode, rather than "hey you know how we stuck cracks in the background of these totally disconnected adventures?"
Like what if solving one episode's problem created the next, and they got into trouble on some planet while they were there to lay low and try to avoid some other aliens? Or maybe the Doctor does something to stop one enemy, and four or five episodes later it bites him in the ass?
I don't mean go full "trial of a time lord" but I'd like a bit more continuity.
>>71743766
Well, looking from another perspective, I'd rather have a Meh But Consistent Chibnall than a Forgettable Yawnfest Tedious Gatiss era.
>>71743447
Based Brooker.
Still keeping fingers crossed he's one of Moff's 'head exploding' new writers for s10.
Mike Bartlett confirmed, of Doctor Foster fame.
>>71743820
Well absolutely but I'd rather have consistent GOAT Mathieson era. But we can't choose.
>>71743864
Again tho, previous episodes aren't necessarily indicative of what they'd write/produce as showrunner. You'd never think the guy who wrote The Empty Child would write The Doctor, the Widow and the Whatever, for example. Also, Chibnall's latest DW eps were shopping list episodes rather than his own ideas, so it's unfair to judge based on them.
>>71743790
Not happening. Moffat tried that with the Silence arc and it didn't work out because Matt left too early for his plan. It could theorically work for one series but it'd get redundant if they kept repeating it. Imagine if we had "the Doctor caused the cracks", "the Doctor caused his own death", "the Doctor caused Clara to be echoed", "the Doctor caused Missy and Cybermen taking over the Earth", "the Doctor caused the Hybrid".
>>71743935
Well yeah but for Moffat's defense he actually wrote that in 2 weeks between 2 Sherlock scripts and rewriting Wedding of River Song.
>>71743947
Tbf, that was Moff's fault for dragging that shit on for way too long. The Silence/cracks arc should've run for two series maximum, and the River stuff should've been done seperately. He threw in too much for his own good and kept going for no good reason other than to chuck more shit at the arc.
>>71741583
>Clara
>>71743976
Stop taking me so literally. I'm just saying no writer is perfect, and even someone who writes something amazing might write an absolute turd once in a while. Chibnall will be the same: some of his eps will be hailed as great, others won't be. Just like Moff, just like Davies, just like Holmes.
Stephen Greenhorn for next showrunner.
>>71743858
The 'mindblowing writers' are Mark Bartlett and Louise Fox, and they're the only new writers for S10.
Interestingly though, the latter worked on Broadchurch with Chris Chibnall.
>>71744063
>Louise Fox
You just made that up.
At the very least, Broadchurch has nice typography. And it's consistent. So that'll be nice after several years of Doctor Who fucking with its fonts, title sequences, music being out of sync, pissing with effects in the titles, etc.
>>71744048
>Stephen Greenhorn
Dear God just imagine.
>>71744076
Nah, someone I know overheard Moffat talking about it at the Doctor Who Magazine 500th issue party last month.
If i wanted to make something up, i'd say it was someone like JK Rowling
>>71743947
That's not really what I mean. I mean there's one big storyline with episodic smaller problems, but the Doctor knows all along that something bigger is at work, and there isn't this "suddenly we realize it was all connected" shock moment. Some of it was connected, some of it wasn't, maybe there are some surprises, but it isn't all centered around one big mystery. The Doctor causing a problem was just an example of how one could flow into the next, not a suggestion for what should be responsible for everything in the first place.
Maybe Daleks show up. At the end, one of the Daleks reveals that someone told them where the Doctor was. In the course of investigating that, he stumbles onto an unrelated problem but feels the need to help. In helping, he creates another problem he has to solve. All the while, he's also pondering this bigger mystery. Halfway through the season it's revealed who the big bad was (maybe his companion was secretly up to something) and it changes from a mystery to a chess match, with the villain's big plan slowly coming into clarity over the course of several episodes in which that villain throws other problems and enemies at the Doctor to try and distract him from foiling the big plan or force him into participating.
Not saying that's necessarily a good plot. But I do want an ongoing plot rather than a bunch of totally unrelated episodes with a mysterious element shoehorned in to show that it's all connected.
>>71744130
>someone I know overheard Moffat
>>71743790
I like continuity but at the end of the day, unless it's in the service of telling a really good story, it's an add-on. I liked the things that were going on Series 1 (with The Long Game being revisited later, Boom Town following up on the Slitheen) and Series 5 (with the plot arc having big developments throughout like finding out what the crack does or the disappearance of Rory).
But anything that existed solely to suck gravity away from otherwise independent stories so we can progress the big arc every week (and thus be like every other drama on television) could be bothersome. It would have to be an absolutely fantastic arc where all of the wildly different stories slotted in perfectly and were actually improved, rather than hindered, by meta-plot fireworks. I'm not saying it's impossible.
This is a moot point because Chibnall wouldn't do this in a million years. Writing a serial drama in eight or so episodes is great when you're basically writing one story in several chapters. But attempting to scramble a NuWho season into one would take an absolutely ballcrushing amount of ambition and structural ingenuity. Steven 'Puzzle Box' Moffat tried in S6 and even he couldn't pull it together.
>>71744123
So it has come to this, eh?
>>71743666
42's gimmick was that they have to solve the problem in exactly 42 minutes and the story takes place in real time, so in that sense it could not have been done in 1963, not just because serials used to be longer and were split up into 25 minute episodes but because of the precision of editing required.
>>71744166
True though
>>71743666
>42 could've been done in 1963
As could Heaven Sent. As could Blink. What exactly is your point?
>>71744186
>>71744169
I feel like part of the reason for this is that the episodes were created and then he pieced them together, instead of selecting/writing the episodes themselves in service of the story. It's not like TV shows don't have ongoing stories and "villain of the week" alongside each other all the time.
>>71744169
Series 1 is very neat for that. Themes all tie together well, and there are a couple of sequels (the finale, serving to revisit the Slitheen and Satellite Five; plus the earlier Dalek story mirroring the epic Dalek finale too). More series like that would be superb. Not everything has to tie together in a "look how smart we are!!!!!!!" Moffat sort of way, but interconnected stories can be great if done right.
>>71744224
lol
I don't think Doctor Who really works for arcs like that when you're travelling around to different locations in time every episode. The only way I could see it really working well is if he was stranded like Pertwee.
Chewballs is one of the worst UK writers. Broadchurch was bland shit with instagram pictures for teenagers
>>71744275
It actually works if, like >>71744147 mentioned, someone close to the Doctor is responsible, or they have a TARDIS as well.
>>71744220
Also, not every series or episode has to "shake up the formula". Moffat reckons every series has to be vastly different to keep people interested, but that's stupid IMO. Russell T became very formulaic towards the end, but he kept to a rough pattern for 4 years and people loved it. You knew, year in year out, what you were gunna get, roughly. Moffat has this weird obsession with "right, new series, time to shake EVERYTHING UP!" for no apparent reason. It kinda makes it look like he has no idea or vision for the show in the long haul. And it could even serve to put some viewers off if you're constantly changing the formula, and not letting one settle for a couple of series at least.
>>71744220
The point is it didn't reinvent the wheel. It could have been Running Down Corridors Chased By Monster n°1 and it wouldn't have changed anything.
>>71744179
They didn't actually solve it in 42 minutes though.
>>71744317
Barely any episodes in the scope of the last 53 years have "reinvented the wheel", and nor do they have to.
Having every story be connected would feel convoluted and forced.
>>71744307
It'd be interesting as an experiment for a year; maybe if there's ever another "gap year", they could go for an 'epic' tale, akin to Daleks Master Plan or Torchwood: Children of Earth, told over a week or something. It wouldn't work for the series proper though.
>>71744361
Doesn't have to be every single one. Just a bit smoother continuity than there is right now.
>>71744347
Mate it'd my opinion and I'm just saying it was bland and didn't try anything new when it should have to stand out from being meh because Running Down Corridors Chased By Monster is the most used story construction used in the show.
>>71744310
I like that Moffat tries to change it up each series. Loved that he decided to bring back 2 parters.
>>71744282
>Broadchurch was bland shit with instagram pictures for teenagers
That's why they got him. Bland shit tends to do very well.
The problem with the current Doctor Who is that it relies too heavily on fan service and convoluted or "clever" plotlines, alienating a majority of the 'core' audience.
In essence, it now exists to appease fanboys - albeit it fails at doing so - and as a result, the casual viewer is disinterested.
If Doctor Who is too succeed in ratings/popularity again, it needs a writer like Chris Chibnall at the helm. Someone who is not on the same intellectual level as Moffat when it comes to ideas, but someone who can write a fun and at least somewhat coherent script. Basically someone like RTD. This is what the casual audience want, and this is why they tuned in so heavily during the Tennant years.
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We’ve selected two monsters each from the Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Seventh Doctor eras including one from the final ever episode of Doctor Who’s original run in 1989.
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>>71744393
Like Series 1 and 5, you mean? If so then okay I'd like that, but anymore connected than those would feel forced. Even Series 1 started to feel forced towards the end when we revisited Margaret Blaine.
>>71744393
I feel like Series 1 should be rewatched by any new showrunner to get a feel for how to interlink themes and episodes. (The 'bad wolf' is a bit haphazard, but stuff like how Satellite Five is revisited in the series is really quite good.)
I kinda liked Series 5, but for the crack just being lobbed in at the end of episodes for no good reason other than to go "ooooh, what is dis crack??" and clearly they hadn't planned ahead cos Vampires ends with a very bizarre 'Silence' scene and the finale has Silence stuff which feels disconnected to the stuff in S6.
>>71744401
None of the stories in S9 justified being 2 parters to be honest. It was just another gimmick.
>>71744438
>Cameron K McEwan
Do I need to make the arsehole joke or not?
>>71744401
Fair enough. For me, it just seems like he's got no idea what he wants to do with the show from one year to the next.
>>71744438
Hiya Cameron. Yer blogs shit.
>>71744317
>It could have been Running Down Corridors Chased By Monster n°1 and it wouldn't have changed anything.
Sure it would have. 42 actually has more in common with The Edge of Destruction than The Daleks. It's about a small group of people trapped with and potentially possessed by a mysterious alien intelligence. That's much more interesting, at least in concept, than most of the '60s monster stories.
>>71744463
>but stuff like how Satellite Five is revisited in the series is really quite good.
True. We could use some more sequel stories.
>>71744437
This. Nailed it. I hope Chibnall reverts somewhat back to "action/adventure of the week" cos that's what your average Saturday night casual viewer will enjoy, as opposed to the more hardcore Moffat type stuff and all the geek culture wankery.
>>71744522
It's not his anymore, it was bought by some people who did a hostile takeover like Vivendi and Ubisoft. Now he runs the official DW website.
>>71744491
Agreed, aside from the opener (although much of ep1 was just padding to be fair).>>71744562
>>71744491
Clyffil
>>71744361
>>71744393
The writers have, overall, kept the continuity going very well imo.
The reason the show has remained popular is becos, every few seasons, a newfag can literally start watching it with minimal prior knowledge of the show.
>>71744562
Which is equally as shit, to be honest about it.
The one thing that gives me hope about Chibnall is that he was president of an embarrassing doctor who fanclub and told pip and jane baker that their stories were shit to their faces
>>71744606
>told pip and jane baker that their stories were shit to their faces
But what is true?
>>71744241
Modern Doctor Who presents a much more drastic challenge in this regard than most shows, because part of the expectation is that each story has its own hook, its own unique concept, its own setting and visuals, its own cast, etc. not a lot carries over and each story is its own massive undertaking that needs to be prepared well in advance.
It's a lot easier to get a full roster of those on time if you aren't picky about things not being a perfect component of the thematic arc as long as they make workable individual episodes. (On the flipside, BF have talked about how they plotted all 16 parts of Doom Coalition from the outset, and that series still has utterly boring filler episodes, so careful what you wish for and all that.)
But the real problem with Series 6 is that by the end, Moffat was getting fucked in the ass by production schedules and turning in first drafts, so the incredibly weird and out-of-order story he was attempting to tell ended up told in a disjointed and botched manner (re: LKH, TWORS). Maybe after 2018 a showrunner could be in a safe environment to plan and execute something like that properly, but I feel we won't know for a long time.
>>71744437
So you want the show to be mediocre?
>>71744638
>>71744606
Fuck I'm retarded. I meant: was it true?
>>71744581
Don't agree with the anon either.
>>71744638
There is no truth mate.
>>71744643
A showrunner's second series are always the most interesting, I reckon. Cos for the first, they generally have a lot more time to plan in advance... but by their second series, they're within the production schedules. Chibs has probably very vaguely been thinking about his first series now for quite some time, in the back of his mind, meaning his first series should be pretty decent. His second, we shall see how he is under pressures.
>>71744491
I only agree with this for UTL/BTF (although I'm less "this didn't justify being 2 episodes" and more "this didn't justify being any episodes").
The opener and the Zygons filled their length just fine and would have been strangled at 45 minutes (and the maisie episodes aren't really a two-parter).
>>71744643
Doctor Who sucks in telling stories across the season is lack of any consistency in setting and cast. In any other show aliens would plan their evil plan for galactic across the season but Doctor Who darts between their contemporary, times before they climed out of primodial mud, time long after plan was due, completely different place. So arcs are extremely convoluted to justify spreading them across the series.
>>71744711
Which means Series 10 will be GOAT because Moffat has had 6 more months than usual to plan it. Please Moffat.
>>71744711
He's working on Broadchurch S3 right now though. That's why I think Capaldi might stay. Moffat said doing a fresh start was a nightmare and Chibnall doesn't have as much time as Moffat had to start writing S10 and Capaldi said they already asked him if he wanted to stay one more series but hadn't decided yet.
>>71744770
I thought similar, and then they told us he decided to bring back fucking NARDOLE!?
>>71744793
They're filming Broadchurch, or will be soon, no? It'll have been written now for a while at least. Chib's series will film next year, so he'll likely have started planning, if not writing bits and pieces.
>>71744800
Fuck I forgot about him. Maybe he's the big bad pretending to be retarded?
>>71744746
What's wrong with Under The Lake? I thought it was fine imo. Before The Flood was weak though, would have been better if the Villain was more developed and they cut out that stuff with 12 dying which was just bad. Dunno why Moffat allowed Whithouse to do that when he already did it in the opener.
>>71744839
Plus, Chibnall might want to have his own fresh start. We genuinely don't know yet. Moffat basically revamped EVERYTHING: TARDIS, Doctor, companion, sonic, titles... Chibnall doesn't have to go for the whole hog like Moffat did.
>>71744664
It's currently mediocre. Mainly because of how dull and depressing it is. It needs more rompy episodes if it is going to stay on air. There wasn't one 'fun' story last year, apart from perhaps The Girl Who Died, but even that was pretty macabre in its conclusion. Husbands of River Song was decent though.
>>71744881
Tbf Moffat was forced into it a little bit. He said he would have been fine if Catherine Tate was going to stick around but RTD already wrote her ending and he asked Tennant to join him for one more series but he declined.
>>71744873
I actually enjoyed Under The Lake on first view, but watching Before The Flood made me retroactively realise there wasn't much to the previous episode either. It was pretty much setup for nothing. If the entire story was replaced I wouldn't miss UTL terribly.
>>71744915
This. Series 9 was my least favourite (controversial maybe??) because it felt so damn miserable and 'grimdark' for the most part. I never want to go back to a series like Series 2, but somewhere in between would be nice. It needs a bit injection of fun, and I don't mean Capaldi rocking a guitar on a fucking tank.
>>71744915
Pauldreads?
>>71744921
He had to get a new Doc and companion in. He didn't necessarily have to change everything else though, right down to the pointless Dalek redesign. He evidently bit off more than he could chew, rather than playing it safe. He could've slowly changed elements during Series 5 and 6, but instead went for one massive 'reboot' in a sense.
>>71744437
>convoluted or "clever" plotlines
Can anyone point me to a convoluted Doctor Who plotline in series 7, 8 or 9?
>>71744942
>>71744915
>people actually think like me and there isn't some cunt saying "muh it's fun anon disregard his opinion"
Where have you been? We have to go back to a Series 4/5 mix of fun and serious episodes.
>>71744942
I wasn't a fan of it either. The opening story felt a bit pointless and the first episode was stupidly padded out. I enjoyed Under the Lake, but Before the Flood let it down a bit.
The Zygon story was a nice concept but its political 'relevance' ruined it for me as it felt like a propaganda piece. Also, 12s le epic speech was over-acted, cliched and I don't get why its held in such high regard.
Heaven Sent was the best of the series
>>71744999
The Silence and their 369 plans.
>>71744665
https://youtube.com/watch?v=irIqTPQqgvQ
>>71745020stop samefagging
>>71744638
>>71744665
Yes, Pip and Jane were shits at writing.
>>71745026
>but its political 'relevance' ruined it for me as it felt like a propaganda piece.
>>71744999
This too, reversed Satan.
>>71745033
That was Series 6. They has only one plan in Series 7.
>>71745064
So you're not denying it was all a bit convoluted in Series 6? Haha.
>>71744915
>There wasn't one 'fun' story last year
>acknowledges Husbands of River Song
>>71744999
Series 7
>Clara jumping into the time stream, resulting in a bootstrap paradox
Series 8
>Time Heist was pretty wibbly wobbly
Series 9
>Heaven Sent
I know plenty of people (casual viewers) who had to rewatch this to get their heads around it.
>Before the Flood
Another instance of bootstrap paradox, only the writer can't be bothered explaining it, so he literally tells the audience to "google it."
>>71745034
Was JNT the 80s Moffat?
>>71744991
People say this but if you look at how series 5 is structured, a lot of it is still (on the surface) drawing from the RTD format. The Eleventh Hour is just Moffat's remix of an RTD story (Smith and Jones). The finale has the whole universe being threatened in a pretty RTD way. We have the "new/reintroduced monster" two-parter. The crack appearing in episodes is a less subtle version of Bad Wolf.
He could have plunged into something radical like series 6 or 9 from the outset, but he actually did play fairly safe for his first go.
>>71745081
No because it's true? That wasn't the question he asked though. He asked about 7, 8 and 9.
The Silence want to stop the Doctor reaching Trenzalore, so they go back in time to try and kill him. To do this, they explode the TARDIS, which causes all the cracks in the first place. Failing this, they stay around on earth for millions of years waiting til humans build an astronaut suit so they can put River inside it (why?! they can travel through time!? they can make their own suit?!), but that's fucked cos River decides she can control the suit anyway and doesn't kill the Doctor after all. Oh, and this is after the Silence have tried to engineer Melody as a killer to get rid of the Doctor - oh, and after they've kidnapped Amy and replaced her with a flesh avatar. And then in Matt's finale, the Silence are priests and that episode is retroactively changed because of the Time War maybe, okay I'm lost in all this
>>71745061
Why? It did. If you want to get across a political message in a piece of sci-fi, then do it subtly. It was so explicit it felt like i was watching a parody. Zygons have a black flag identical to ISIS for god's sake.
>>71745098
I meant between TMA-HB. Christmas specials are usually fun anyway
>>71745081
>>71744999 here, I deliberately limited it only to the past four years. Since this meme feels like it's been flying around forever.
>>71745147
it's almost as if it wasn't part of a grand master plan and was just made up by Moffat as he went along...
>>71745111
That isn't my point though. Moffat can't complain it was a lot on his plate cos he went ahead and not only had to cast two new leads, but he made extra work for himself and his team cos he wanted new Daleks! New TARDIS! New sonic! New titles! New theme! I'm saying Chibnall doesn't have to go 'All New' if he wants to make things more manageable
>>71745158
Doctor Who is a left leaning show and probably always will be m8.
>>71745034
That woman is a massive idiot who thinks she's better than them.
>>71745034
>"It was very clichéd, very routine, running up and down corridors, silly monsters"
>he then went on to write 42
Hypocrite.
>>71745295
>"It was very clichéd, very routine, running up and down corridors, silly monsters"
To be fair, that sums up about 90% of classic Who episodes... so god knows why he brought that up.
>>71745332
He's just a hypocrite.
Can we at least agree that The Power of Three was pretty original and good for about 30 minutes?
>>71745423
Yeah, one of his better episodes. For the first half an hour.
42: 4/10
Hungry Earth/Cold Blood: 6/10
Dinosaurs on a Spaceship: 6/10
Power of Three: 5/10 let down by its shit ending
>>71743771
>because it hurt Doctor Who's chances of coming back
Is there any real evidence that this is true? I would have thought it helped keep the show alive in general audiences' minds.
>>71745460
Hungry Earth: 6/10
Cold Blood: 5/10 (last scene: 7/10)
/who/ ranks /who/ ratings
42 5.92
The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood 5.974025974
Dinosaurs on a Spaceship 6.12
The Power of Three 6
>>71743790
Again, though, Doctor Who’s great strength is that it can be a wildly different show week to week. The advantage to taking that away and making it more like a ton of other stuff on television seems minimal. That’s not to say it couldn’t be done well, but I think you’d really need to start from a brilliant idea that can’t be done any other way, as opposed to starting from “let’s take away the thing that makes Doctor Who special.”
>>71745477
>>71745477
It raised a shedload for charity, but it no doubt reminded viewers how shoddy the programme was. Wobbly sets and the like confirmed by Dimensions in Time. They were having fun, but at the same time confirming old myths as real. DIT is like a poor parody stage show cheesefest.
>>71745518
lol, this guy's just copy/pasting Phil Sandifer
http://philsandifer.tumblr.com/post/147013018881/i-think-doctor-who-by-its-nature-pushes-against
>>71745518
It worked in season 7.
>>71745749
How was S7 not a wildly different show from week to week? If there's any series which defines 'wildly different from week to week', it's probably Series 7.
>>71745783
Asylum of Daleks ... Dinosaurs! ... Wild West ... Earth invasion ... Angels in Manhattan! Evil snowmen in Victorian London ... looks pretty wildly different from week to week to me m8
>>71745783
I think he was referring to Pertwee.
>>71745783
>>71745828
Guys he said "season".
>>71745749
Yes, one season, of four stories. Which, thereafter, even though it was Earth based, the stories became a lot more varied from S8 onwards again.
>>71745828
Except that's not at all what season 7 was. UNIT alien invasion, UNIT creature invasion, UNIT alien invasion, UNIT parallel universe story.
>>71745917
>season "same villain in every episode" 8
>more varied
>>71746040
The stories were all pretty fucking varied, even with the Master in them all. This isn't a hard concept.
>>71746063
(con't) Otherwise are we going to say Series 8 wasn't varied, cos it has Missy pop up in about 6 of them?
>>71746040
Haha, did you notice that Robot of Sherwood has exactly the same plot as Deep Breath?
>Robots stuck in the past for years rebuilding their ship so they can get to the promised land
>>71746019
>[Update] [Auto] 7
It was still a varied season, as you just described. One story was an alien invasion; one was about creatures that used to live on the planet before us; one was an alien invasion of sorts with a twist; one was a parallel universe story. That right there is variation, even with the recurring UNIT presence.
>everyone confusing classic who and nuwho
>>71746133
>watching classic who
>watching nuwho
>>71746124
The first three invasion stories were handled the same way though. It was literally 3 trying to tell UNIT how to handle it, UNIT doesn't listen and Liz runs back and forth with information and then UNIT listens to the Doctor and saves the day. The Inferno was basically the same thing only the parallel UNIT was even less cooperative with the Doctor and everyone dies because they didn't listen.
>>71746063
>the Master teams up with an alien with some poorly worked out plan of world domination
>Doctor and Master exchange banter while UNIT runs around shooting things
>it ends when either the alien betrays the Master or he realizes the alien will inevitably betray him so he betrays it first
They're the fooking same m8, Colony in Space was the only one that was even slightly varied. It had colonists shooting things instead of UNIT and I don't recall if the Master was involved in a double-cross.
>>71746276
Yep, all identical. How silly of me. Soz.
>>71746320
We're still ignoring the point that this was a brief period of the show, what, about 6 or 7 stories in the grand scheme of things. And just cos something works once doesn't mean it'll always fucking work. The team gave back the Doctor his freedom in 3 Doctors because the same shit got repetitive.
>>71746358
"6 or 7 stories" sounds a lot shorter than "50 episodes." For comparison, the entire RTD era was 60 episodes.
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>>71746505
BRAVO
>>71746505
>>71746494
Yeah but over 50 episodes, there were 6 or 7 stories being told. They were all 'samey'. So someone saying "it worked before!!!" is hilarious because by that logic then, someone is saying they'd be happy for a samey formula for 50 episodes of the new series, which would be roughly the equivalent of about 35-40 individual stories.
>>71746540
no
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>>71746531
>>71746505
Samefag
>>71746505
>>71746591
I am intrigued by this new form of shitposting.Don't push it too far though.
>>71746593
try again
>>71746624
Psycho.
>More Than 30 Years in the TARDIS
>not 26 Years in the TARDIS
>>71746505
Who's house? Run's house.
>>71746540
An homage to this?
>>71747202yes
>>71747233
SDuckfuck's theories/misconceptions while somewhat infuriating had an element of entertainment. Mongo's probably only entertaining when you're playing along.
>>71747477
^So who do you think was worse.
My post went all wonky.
>>71741485
Can this moment ever be topped?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UszT_L4QWII
>>71747535
As the person who made the Duckfuck macro, Duckfuck was in no way worse. Duckfuck was just a name user you could filter and occasionally made dumb shit, he wasn't a legitimate viral infection
>>71741485
Seasons 1-4 (including the specials) were the Golden Era of the show
>you will never rub moffats belly
why live?
/who/ is dead. But death is not the end...It's regenerating!
>>71742594
Hello!
>>71742248
Seperating them sounds like a good idea. It'd be interesting to see how 12 is seen by people who aren't him. Maybe don't make them trust him immediately--it'd be funny if Twelve, without Clara's assistance, alienated everybody.
Also, what are you trying to say about 12 and Clara by using them? It doesn't necessarily have to say anything, but if you tie the theme of the story to the characters, it'll make it that much better. Plus, are you going with S8 or S9 12 and Clara? Each team is a little different.
Also, why is the secret important? Why are people looking for it? What do people think it is? (It'd be funny if different people have different ideas on what the secret is.)
That's my advice.!
http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/doctor-who/feature/a799119/poll-whats-the-greatest-science-fiction-show-of-all-time-vote-now/
We just barely beat Babylon 5.
>>71749243
No. RTD told us it was like death.
Let it die for GoT sake!
>>71743666
The problem with this "could have been done in 1963" is that this assumes that 1963 storieswere all running through corridors. "The Edge of Destruction", third ever story, is still one of the least "corridor" stories ever. And the fourth ever story was a historical.
>>71745559
Or he is Phil Sandifer.
>>71743790
I already hate how obtrusive the story arcs are. They were never compatible with the show and I don't understand how they've lasted this long.
>>71745185
>>71745147
Shame. I really liked the idea and design of The Silence
I think Twelve should die by sacrificing himself unceremoniously for someone he's just met, and when he's about to die and regenerate, and his companion is chastising him for throwing his life away, he says something like, "throwing it away? Nonsense. (He or she) was worth it. Everyone is."
