Trek General
So why did they not have cameras all over the ships? sensors are inferior, would they not have predicted in the 90s that video monitoring of public areas would be the standard?
oh no the sensors cant pick up the intruder retards could have cams covering the hallways.
Also why are they always raising the shields, wouldn't it be safer to just leave them up?
Leaving the shields up would prevent them from using the transporter AS WELL AS drain their goddamn power.
>>71711181
why are they always raising the shields, wouldn't it be safer to just leave them up?
save energy maybe? think of all the climate change caused by wasted energy
>>71711181
Maybe because privacy is a thing that is appreciated in Starfleet.
Would be a good premise for an episode actually.
>>71711181
>So why did they not have cameras all over the ships?
They did.
People who haven't even seen the pilot of TNG shouldn't be allowed to start /trek/ generals.
if we are nitpicking how are there black Vulcans if they have green blood?
>>71711181
>24 century
>requiring optical based devices for anything.
Enterprise sensors are so sophisticated that it like a 3d scanner that can analyze your shit stain and figure out your alien diet, you can blame bad writing though that even an optical camera system shit might go offline or might be cloaked to cameras.
Also shields have a limit of uptime as its extremely taxing to the warp core power systems, newer ships though started to implement multi layered shield emitters that have quicker regeneration rates, more reliable power systems and longer uptime
>>71711422
I've long been confused by the black Vulcan thing. Is there a Sub-Saharan Africa on their planet? Are there Asian Vulcans?
>>71711181
is this the unrated away mission
>>71711730
motion sensors could pick up shit the ships sensors couldn't!
>>71711745
Vulcan is a desert planet
>>71711181
Because security would be constantly fapping to Seven of Nine, godDAMN dat boooody
>>71711181
>Also why are they always raising the shields, wouldn't it be safer to just leave them up?
TNG establishes the limits of the ship's power pretty clearly. You can't have shields up while in warp. You also can't transport someone in or out of the ship while shields are up. They also suggest that it drains a lot of the ship's power to have shields up so they only have them on when needed. Finally, having your shield up around other ships makes them suspect that you are about to launch an attack.
Really the main reason they have these limits is so that the Enterprise does not come across as invincible to the viewers and it adds suspense to the show.
>>71712656
which is why it makes sense for them to look bronze, but how do they justify the existence of a negro vulcan? Did they have any in the other shows or it just Voyager?
funny how i never noticed black people in shows back in the day and it was just the norm and now i notice it all the time on new shows because its rammed down your fucking throat.
i swear race relations are getting worse than they were.
>>71712874
'course it would also allow for autists to pine on and on about Starfleet being military and not exploratory in nature.
They were stupidly passive at times, to the point of Worf being the general voice of reason most of the time.
>He had a roughly 50/50 success rate in his warnings for the crew
>>71711181
Are they going to rape her? I've seen plenty of pornos start that way.
>>71711181
They're liberals, remember? They wouldn't allow surveillance and wiretapping like that to infringe on the rights of the blah blah blah blah.
>>71713722
I've never seen such a confused looking Asian man in my life and I worked around FOhBees for entire summer in 2006.
i want to takl to you commander officer !
youve violated ferengi space ,thru rite of vengence i choose to kill youuu !!
SHIELD UP
captain they armeed to the teeth !
i know that number one and i respect that number one but if there is a singular development in our sordid relationship that is wanting for explanation its the reasoning by which i decide to take action on races deemed inferior by our admiralty
captain ..?
that's right, on screen!
hyoomon you will be dessicated and sold on the ferengi market !! HEH !
make it so!
[picard beams onto their ship]
mister worf......... FIRE
to be continue
>>71711181
A camera is an optical sensor. It was intentionally unspecified because future
>>71711264
Shields become irrelevant by the 29th century.
Captain Braxton predicted it. All technology and cloaks are phase-shifted and protected by chroniton particles like the Krenim ship.
Shit talk me, but how are the other Star Trek shows besides DS9?
I ended up watching that first because someone told me it was the only one worth watching, I know that's probably not true, but the other series seem like they aren't as "serious" I guess?
>>71711362
Two best characters in one shot. Those rare exchanges they had, where they both mutually agreed that humans were ridiculous were great.
>>71718044
filename 8/10, grinned excessively
Ill go next
>it's a "why don't they constantly have shields up" thread
>>71718427
Probably too big a power drain, but they definitely like to wait to the stupidly last minute even so. Fucking Romulan decloaks or some shit, "Captain they're moving toward us. Captain they're charging weapons!" and then they're like ... "Okay maybe red alert or whatever".
As soon as that fucker appears, up goes the shields, assholes.
>>71718268
better hurry up because i'll just keep dropping comfy star trek heat
>>71718463
I mean, they can't fire when cloaked, right?
Kinda dumb to be so hasty
>>71717620
Being non-serious is not a bad thing.
Try TOS. The show is cheesy but the characters are great, and Spock/McCoy is as good a pairing as Odo/Quark or O'Brien/Bashir.
>>71711415
So much was forgotten from the Pilot.
The only other time I remember a "viewscreen" like this being used was with Guinan in "Q Who" except she was also viewing the Borg that we were seeing from the bridge so I guess it's not the same.
Also, "Encounter at Farpoint" establishes that holodecks have walls and that the "arch" is fixed at a certain point in the simulation.
While the latter remains into season 2, later we learn that the holodeck can move matter and the people in it to account for a perceivable lack of space.
>>71717620
TNG is pretty serious... My personal ranking is TNG, ToS, DS9, ENT, VOY. That's not based on any one factor, they each have their pros and cons, and I'll be the last guy to tell you that you're wrong if you sort them differently. If you were really fond of DS9 and that was your first exposure, then you might have a different idea of what Trek is/should be than I do. They are each pretty different.
TNG started out as a show completely revolving around the story, the mission, or the conflict, and the characters were secondary. Around season 2, the actors bitched that they didn't get to do anything and then the writers found a healthy balance of character-development/story. DS9 on the other hand is ALL about characters, and the story is almost an after-thought. Which is why it takes 5 fucking seasons before war breaks out. They may share the same namesake, but each of these series are completely different animals.
My recommendation for you, I guess, is to try the ToS movies (1, 2, 4, 6, {3, 5}) or truck through some TNG if you want something "serious". See if you like it or not. They are very different from DS9 and I can't guarantee that you'll like it at all... I actually found Enterprise to be somewhat reminiscent of DS9. Maybe you can give that a shot if you can't stand TNG or the ToS movies.
>>71721068
>DS9 on the other hand is ALL about characters, and the story is almost an after-thought
This is entirely untrue, both are intertwined together and one hand washes the other. The Dominion War was just the overlying arc but there was tons of "one-off" episodes.
You could say more emphasis was put on character development but how much did Jadzia really evolve? Kira evolved a little bit but not until she got with Odo. O'Brien changed slightly but in the end he was the same old guy with a few years of torture behind him. Bashir hardly changed at all, his genetic modification storyline just gave him the ability to spout off math answers fast, his character hardly even moved by comparison. Section 31 gave Bashir at least something in the lines of character development. The episode "The Quickening" was a great Bashir episode, but in the overall aspect of who he was and his story we didn't see him affected greatly in the way he treated patients or situations.
The people who evolve the most in the show are Sisko, Quark, Odo, and the secondary players like Dukat and Garak.
The story was a huge part of DS9's success because it was the main topic of discussion past season 4 and everybody who changed in one way or another changed due to the Dominion war. All the strings were tied together in the Dominion War and the Prophets.
The first one is a valid point.
The shields one is probably because damn near every race in the galaxy views raised shields as a sign of impending attack.
>>71721068
>Which is why it takes 5 fucking seasons before war breaks out
Did you not watch any of Season 3 or 4. The build up with the Dominion, the Klingons going to war with the Cardassians, the Tal Shiar and the Obsidian Order trying to murder the founders..
You're forgetting that shit started with that war in season 3 and continued to pick up pace all the way to the very end.
>>71712874
Also you can't have shields at full power and fire phasers.
The biggest question is why are they only able to detect ships when they're near enough that they actually eclipse the view screen?
For real though,
>"Coming into viewing range now captain"
>"onscreen!"
>you can make out every intimate detail of the ship as it fills the entire view screen
or
>We've detected a ship!
>we can already see the ship
The only conclusion I can draw is that the sensors are literally worse than just just pointing a bunch of cameras out into space and having monitoring stations.
"Commander, tell me about your sexual organs."
>>71711181
>So why did they not have cameras all over the ships?
Because it would ruin basically every storyline.
I've noticed this quite a lot, not only in Trek, but like, every fucking super spy movie or action movie where they attack an enemy base or prison and they sneak around despite a real base or prison would have cameras and sensors fucking everywhere.
A more in universe explanation could be sensors are better and/or they don't see the need to have Cameras on their ships because they are rarely bordered.
>>71721945
Actually, "long range sensors" can pick up the same accurate pictures as ones where they are in "firing range".
>watching JJ's Trek 2
>he casually introduces planet2planet teleporting and magical blood that can heal literally anything, including death
>>71721949
They are yellow, and green if you know what I mean.
>>71721995
There's no transition between "just a spec in the darkness" and "oh shit we can see everything."
>>71721068
>>71721835
Daily reminder that DS9 is nothing more than Babylon 5 in a Star Trek universe setting
>>71722073
There's no need to meticulously exposit such a thing now do we?
>Okay Captain, getting closer
>Resolution better
>FULL 4K HD CAPTAIN!
>ON SCREEN, ON SCREEN!
>>71721945
The ship doesn't use cameras, probably some kind of advanced radar. So when a ship appears the viewscreen can probably create a near exact replica of what's in space. If they wanted they could probably view it from behind or from any distance.
Ships that "just appear" often warp in to close range.
Why is the bridge on top the ship where one photon torpedo could destroy it?
Why is the bridge where all ship functions are controlled instead of a real ship that, while it does have the ship on top, most functions are actually controlled by the Operations Room which is deep in the ship and heavily armoured?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operations_room
>>71721993
Trek writers forgot this so much.
>Where's Character X?
>Let's find out, computer locate Character X
>Character X is in such and such
or
>Captain to Character X
I guess I'm being shallow but I feel like at times they forgot any senior staff could locate anyone with the tap of a combadge.
>>71722172
A single torpedo can blow out a large chunk of the ship. Doesn't matter where the bridge is if the shields are down.
Might as well just make it closer to the surface in case the crew needs to escape out the windows.
>>71722312
It really wouldn't matter where the bridge was located in a fight.
No bridge at all would be better given that shields have four locations so if they just wanted to target a single section where the bridge was, they could but it's also not that simple since they usually reroute power to weak areas from life support or emergency back up systems.
>>71711181
DAILY REMINDER that TOS is the only Star Trek that matters. Everything else is trash.
> they think the viewscreen is an actual window into outer space.
> it's not just a computer simulation using data derived from external sensors.
> sensors are inferior.
Security cameras are literally a form of sensor.
>>71722785
JJ Abrams thinks the viewscreen is an actual window.
>>71722809
JJ Abrams is a fucking tool.
> far-future technology.
> astrophysicists still think it's a good idea to put a clear screen in front of one of the most important parts of the ship.
> expose the command crew to cosmic radiation, space-debris travelling at near-lightspeed, enemy weapons fire, etc.
The moment they drop the shields they should be fucked. I don't care how you modify the molecular structure, it still needs to be brittle and, well, shit if it's gonna be clear.
>>71721949
God bless you.
>>71722809
>Have the viewscreen window crack and air start rushing through then we'll use a full panoramic sweep of the bridge..
>>71714862
I don't get this at all.
>>71711362
I'd like to transport my cock into her ass.
>>71723722
its a homophobe
Why did they never use the personal shield generator Tuvok used on the dead crewmwn on the planet of Benjamin Buttons?
>>71711181
Do modern navy ships have cameras in their corridors or does that breach some sort of top secret stuff by recording important crewmen and secret technology?
As for the shields, maybe they use loads of power so are only left on when needed.
>>71711264
What was the refuel time again? 69 years? I wonder if that was made planning for the very rare Voyager situation. I doubt many ships are used for 60 years so it seems wasteful.
>>71711288
No anon, the Trek climate change allegory is the warp drive destroying the universe, which was easily countered by making the nacelles bend before warp.
Does anyone know the standard shift pattern? I, m sure Jellico said it was 6 hours on and 6 hours off.
That, s terrible because aside from working 12 hours a day, you don't even get the chance to have your 8 hours of sleep and with travel to and from work, bathing, eating and socialisation, you don, t even get they chance for you 6 hour minimum of sleep.
>>71718463
At least Archer got that right; all it takes is flipping a switch to bring the crew to action stations, ready the ship's weapons and raise defenses all at the same time.
You'd think that in the centuries between those two shows they'd introduce some fucking automation. If you're EXPECTING a fight then there's no reason to not have the computer start to bring everything online the same millisecond that it registers an unknown IFF.
>>71726105
With Starfleet's whole pseudo-military thing I'd imagine that they either do 12s or 24s for most jobs.
>>71726105
Picard had a three-shift rotation, so probably 8 on and 16 off. Jellico wanted to switch to four shifts, 6 on and 18 off.
>JELLICO: How many duty watches does the crew stand?
>RIKER: We've a standard three shift rotation.
>JELLICO: I'd like to change that to four starting tonight. I'd also like to examine the duty roster and the crew evaluations as soon as possible. I want readiness reports from each department head by fourteen hundred hours, and a meeting of the senior staff at fifteen hundred. Do you prefer Will or William?
The answer, if you're curious, was "Will".
>>71714656
Ferengi ships could stand up to the Federation flagship at the start, man they got nerfed.
>>71726308
>no Ferengi ships ever served in the Dominion War
Missed opportunity, Ira.
>>71726308
They sold their weapon and shield tech to Starfleet for spacebux.
>"What could possibly go wrong?"
>>71711181
>>71721993
>>71713722
The usual logic for lack of basic security measures in (early) TNG was "We future people are all perfect anyway so we don't even need them!" This is basically what Picard says to a 20th century person they unfroze after he chastises him for using a panel to talk to the captain directly on the bridge and they guy is like "Well if you don't want me to do it why the fuck can I easily do it on this panel here?"
>>71719312
The Klingons figured out how to fire when cloaked pre-tng.
>>71726105
Night crew does 11AM-7PM
>>71726468
Then the Feds figured out how to detect that cloaking device, so the Klingons had to upgrade to new cloaking tech which didn't allow firing.
>>71726468
Yeah but then in that movie they figure out how to detect a cloaked ship after they fire anyway so it's basically useless.
>>71724448
You just made beer squirt out of my nose.
>>71726416
Friendly reminder that Ralph Offenhouse asked the pivotal post-scarcity question and later proved that pre-post-scarcity economics bred superior human beings when Ralph was the only one on the bridge during the Romulan encounter in "The Neutral Zone" to point out that the Romulans had no clue who caused the destruction of their colonies on the border but were putting up a front to find out if Picard or the Federation knew.
>>71726396
When? On what series?
>>71726350
They would likely remain neutral seeing the negative profit margin from fighting a vastly superior enemy.
>>71726308
They never got nerfed, they just vanished from future involvement with the Federation, presumably through careful diplomacy by the lesser evil Admirals and "Economists".
>>71723722
What's to get, Picard wants a nice festive Christmas sweater, damnit!
>>71726498
Nightwatch, with CO Lt. Cmdr. Data, would probably be the most boring shift in the history of any period of modern man.
>>71721916
But the shieldsnopen up a small hole to allow the torpedo/phaser beam/disruptor blast to pass through the shields.
Be'lana rlew a shuttle through one on a covert rescue mission while Voyager was taking hits as a distraction.
>>71721945
Except for when Maxwell the great too the fight to the spoonheads the Enterprise detected that battleon their longscreen sensors and was way outside visual range so all we got were representations on a screen.
>>71722046
Yeah but jjtrek is just fan fiction from a guy who admits he hates Star Trek, it's best just to ignore it.
>>71728082
I think that's how Ro got on board the Enterprise when she was working as a double agent with the Maquis.
I loved Voyager
Sue me
>>71723056
I really hate that man.
>>71728239
I love it too.
I just freely acknowledge its flaws and wish it could have been better.
>>71722919
>>71727281
>The challenge, Mr. Offenhouse, is to improve yourself. To enrich yourself. Enjoy it.
>>71728799
Let's see how well transparent aluminium stands upagainst a simple phaser. Now bear in mind transparent aluminium is already a real thing and every trek in canon uses tritanium for the hull.
It's just another way that jew jew has pissed on the franchise.
>>71728213
No, Ro had discussed the shield frequencies with Riker and Picard before going on her covert ops. mission against the Maquis.
It wasn't until later in the episode that she finally decides she's going to take the plunge and side with the Maquis colonists.
>Also, if Chakotay received a letter from Starfleet or his cousin that stated the Maquis had been killed for the most part by Cardassians during that period before the Dominion War, isn't it quite probably that Ro is dead as well?
>>71727281
In the novels he becomes the ambassador to the Ferengi.
Also, it seems as though only the people on the Enterprise were drinking the Federation kool-aid, they even have a family of mining oligarchs in one episode.
>>71728239
>>71728380
Logical human beings.. in the Alpha Quadrant.. on Terran soil.. liking Voyager, and not being emotionally compromised.
>I'm sensing odd tachyon readings off the port bow.
>>71729328
Ro is a coward and a traitor, so she probably left the Maquis at the first sign of trouble.
>>71729395
The Maquis just replaced her with a different Bajoran woman to avoid paying royalties
>>71729543
I've got way better shots of her.
That knitted weird grandmother's beach wear she's sporting with the vagina guard looks really out of place.
Here, have a 7/9 pic of 7 of 9.
>>71721835
>both are intertwined together and one hand washes the other.
>>71729543
sweet diaper
>>71729462
As they say in the entertainment biz, she got locarnoed.
>>71729543
I want to fill her diaper with my doodoo
>>71729610
>Locarnoed
>Not Marseilled
>>71729604
>>71729652
>>71729597
The 90's were thirty years ago.
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>>71711181
I like how the Prime Directive changed from "don't fuck with pre-Warp species" to "don't do anything ever."
>>71730200
>>71730263
>>71730288
>kinda want to watch star trek to get in on the cultural meme with everyone else
>realize I am borderline autistic and know I can't just watch a few good episodes here or there or just the movies or just one series
>would end up watching every single episode of it even the cartoon
>watching just one episode a day on average would take years to finish
I'm about to embark on a dark journey lads
>>71730349
>dark journey
>not trek
step it up
Since all of it came out on Netflix for the UK I thought I'd jump in, never seen any of it before. Just finished the first few seasons of The Next Generation.
It's really endearing in a way that TV shows just aren't anymore, it's about how a group of people can work as a collective and sort shit out. There's barely any maliciousness and any time they encounter something they are unfamiliar with, they just want to study and learn what it is.
I think my favourite episode so far is either the Klingon exchange program or Sins of the Father. Just ordinary men trying to bond and respect a savage race is fucking cool. I kind of envy whoever got to watch this as it was released weekly, but atleast I can booze it all in one hit now.
What other Trek series are as good as The Next Generation, and what other TV shows would you recommend that are as laid back as this? 25 hours for 9 seasons is a whole lot of watching but chances are I'll need something else after.
>>71730378
>What other Trek series are as good as The Next Generation
TOS and DS9, but they're very different.
>>71730378
>it's about how a group of people can work as a collective and sort shit out. There's barely any maliciousness
People are more self aware about human nature these days.
>>71730378
Really, any of them are worth watching. Chronologically TNG and DS9 overlap for a bit, so it's a sensible next choice. Then Voyager and DS9 overlap for a few seasons, so I tend to rewatch them in that order.
Andromeda, Stargate, and Farscape are all solid shows as well. Well, Stargate and Farscape are solid.
>>71730378
You're about as British as a nascar race.
>>71730659
No idea what that means, why would I lie about being British?
>>71730471
Don't forget Lexx.
>>71730686
The same reason Picard does.
DAMN, Nana Visitor looks like THAT!?
>>71730686
Because I counted at least 7 things in your post that show you to be American.
>>71730820
Hope my wife looks that good at 58.
>>71730838
>seasons
>>71730943
>2040
>being married
>>71730349
Why only watch one a day? Watch a bunch each day fag
>>71713114
It's because of the modern climate of suspicion and hostility. Everything has to be a race thing or a gender thing, nothing can just be a thing. If Aliens came out today we'd be arguing about if Ripley is just another stronk womyn ploy to please tumblr or something, and they'd be similarly championing her as a triumph of feminist voices screeching at the movie industry.
Everything's fucked, on both sides.
>>71726107
For all its flaws, it was kind of neat seeing a Star Trek series made with a more 'practical' mindset. The uniforms have pockets, the crew has people trained for combat and the away team is properly checked for viruses and contaminants before being let back into the ship, rather than the scanner and containment on the transporter that seems to fail at the most convenient times.
Oh, and they actually wear fucking EVA equipment.
>>71731000
is she auditioning for Old Rogue for Wolverine 3?
>>71731000
Shieeeet, I didnt know Twoface was going to be in the next Batman movie.
>>71711181
If you can beam an entire living being to a specific remote location then remotely fucking with a camera feed would be trivial, it would be more chaotic to have cameras on the ship.
>>71729543
>granny panties
This says so much about her. She's a prude who desperately wants to be seen as full-on sexy but doesn't even participate in public displays of affection with her (ex)husband.
>>71722046
Wasn't there a guy experimenting with planet to planet teleportation in Enterprise ?
It's possible that someone succeeded in those centuries.
>>71722809
>>71723056
Technically in the trekverse, the windows on the ship were actually made of a transparent aluminum alloy.
>>71731591
He did but it failed and trapped his son in limbo
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Daedalus_%28episode%29
>>71711181
>>71711362
What's her name?
>>71732161
Tuvok.
>>71732210
fuck you
>>71732210
kek
I think this thread needs more of the most interesting and most important character in all of star trek
>>71712918
He wasn't black, he was just very badly burned.
>>71711181
>it's a the ship's computer is easily fooled and can't track people onboard because they took off their combadges episode
>>71711181
Shields can't always be up because they are a huge power drain and prevent the transporter from being used. (and it has been speculated that certain long range sensors don't work when shields are full up)
We know that some areas of the ship do have video recording. Voyager, TNG and DS9 all had recorded footage in engineering and the bridge.
>>71732161
0.77777777777
They don't leave the shields up all the time because the emphasis of the series is supposed to be on exploration and meeting new and interesting life forms and establishing friendly relations with them. Having your shields up is considered aggressive posture in the context of this universe, it'd be like traveling through a foreign country with your swords drawn all the time when you're just trying to establish trade. No, it's not completely "realistic" of what would be the safest method of travel, but it's not meant to be, the series is meant to explore science fiction and social ideas in a space travel context, not pow pow shoot everyone we come across.
>>71711181
So I got to that episode where seven started acting more human on the holodeck.
Did it just imply she had sex with the Chakotay hologram? Isn't sleeping with basically an exact copy of someone on the holodeck an extreme breach of ethics?
I get that the holodeck was likely used by the crew for sexual needs but holy crap at the implications.
>>71734143
Also the refit Enterprise from Trek 2&3.
Remember, Kirk views the engineering flight log with Spock's father to figure out what happened to Spock's katra.
>>71734132
From my recollection, this plot device was always used when they were trying to beam someone out of a certain area and/or masked their life signs and/or a ship wide crisis left sensors "malfunctioning".
I'm sure there's a couple though where they actually don't ask the computer where the fuck someone is.
>>71734204
Shields = Drawn swords? (lol)
It's more like a constant phalanx.
>>71734224
No, they didn't have sex but they definitely kissed and, let's be honest, the Chakotay character wouldn't have had much a problem with it given "his people's" open moral policy.
He was constantly sending people on vision quests, introducing their fucking spirit animal (well done Jamake Highwater), and basically had a "mi casa su casa" attitude.
Chakotay is a tad underrated. Boring, but definitely interesting at times. His character was involved in one of my favorite episodes.. "Unity".
I always thought that if they were going to de-fang the Borg then why not go that route of what it would be like to become a supra-mind of intelligence.
Theoretically, all of those people should be of vast intelligence acting as nodes on a highly complex neural network created using a cerebral cortex, which is what the Borg is but they have all of their "irrelevant" faculties as well.
>>71734199
Where's the eight?
This is /sci/, my friend, find it in your heart to be exact, or at least use a tilde.
>>71734224
>That TNG Broccoli episode where the crew give him have a stern talking to on why living out his fantasies on the holodeck with facsimiles of themselves is wrong.
I don't think I've ever seen a more direct message to Trek's autistic fanbase than that one.
>>71731591
>>71731788
He just an ole' blues time blues, he try'n' git his boy back.
>>71734479
Broccoli was a surrogate autistic Trek fan, it's been confirmed as such in multiple interviews with the writers involved with the show.
Right down to the speech impediment, the fantasy world he puts himself in, his neuroses, yet his ability to be incredibly intelligent when he can pull himself together for a half second.
>>71734554
>Broccoli was a surrogate autistic Trek fan
Obviously.Is that why he turned into a spider that one time?
>>71730117
I'm sorry, friend-o, but the 90s never happened.
We were all involved in a psyops experiment that was global in nature.
All cultural phenomena was replaced with fake portraits and carefully considered historical re-writes.
The 2000s were probably the purge and reawakening and we're in some sort of VR world right now.
>>71734224
It's implied, but never outright confirmed.
>I get that the holodeck was likely used by the crew for sexual needs but holy crap at the implications.
The writers and Paramount intentionally avoid addressing this. Based upon what we've seen in the shows: Yes, the holodecks/holosuites are regularly used by men and women to perfectly simulate full sexual encounters with designed programs they find attractive.
I know that an old Starlog interview with the DS0 writing team heavily implies that it allowed individuals to do things that they might normally not do. (Creampies, BDSM, Threesomes, Orgies, etc.)
Based upon what we see from Quark's and Barcley's simulations it's immensely taboo to use a real life figure for this.
>>71734605
He turned into a spider so he could catch any ensigns who'd de-evolved into a mosquito.
andalsobecauseautism
>>71734624
>I know that an old Starlog interview with the DS0 writing team heavily implies that it allowed individuals to do things that they might normally not do. (Creampies, BDSM, Threesomes, Orgies, etc.)
Now wait just a second, cadet, I never remember hearing or having this implied to be in any of the near 800 episodes of the series.
The only time sex is explicitly stated is in DS9, like when Jeff Combs' character wants a Kira hologram but gets Quark in satin instead.
>>71731693
But in First Contact Picard shows they use force fields instead of windows.
>>71734697
The sheer amount of sex jokes every time Quark's Holosuites get brought up is a big hint.
The other is the program text on the holodeck display. Remember the vulcan love slave program Riker pulls up around season 2?
>>71734624
>(Creampies, BDSM, Threesomes, Orgies, etc.)
m8, that holodeck has seen some shit much more fucked up than that.
>>71734345
You realize a phalanx involves an overlapping front of spears?
>>71734741
Yep.
This is why it's so glossed over in the canon. Based upon what we know, it would logically be raunchy as all hell.
>>71727281
I just started this episode because of this post
About half way in and Riker says that "television as a form of entertainment" died out after 2040.
Are you fucking kidding me writers?
>>71734741
>>71734772
Makes me wonder if it has limits to what you're allowed to do. Obviously there's gonna be a couple dudes who wanna live out a murder-rape/murder-corpse rape kind of thing. I wonder if the holodeck would even do that.
>>71734821
I think those are the sorts of people that they don't let on starships in the first place if they can help it.
>>71734793
From your reaction, I can't tell if you're impressed at their prediction or you think it will remain a primary form of entertainment past 2040-2050.
>>71734821
>Having to ask a bridge officer to override the safety protocols to engage in your deviant sex acts
Starfleet is supposed to be really tolerant and understanding of different species/cultures right? Can they say no?
>>71734863
>>I think those are the sorts of people that they don't let on starships in the first place if they can help it.
Oh, I'm sure you're right about that ;)
>>71734697
You missed the Voyager Fair Haven episodes where its heavily implied Janeway regularly used the program to sleep with the Micheal Sullivan character?
>>71734871
>Starfleet is supposed to be really tolerant and understanding of different species/cultures right
>it's a Starfleet harshly judges an alien culture's behavior and beliefs based on human values in direct defiance of the prime directive episode
>>71734863
Realistically someone is gonna slip through the cracks
>>71734871
Seems like kind of a universal no-no to murder and rape the corpse of another being so I'd say they wouldn't want that simulated either
>>71734905
those are the best episodes though
>>71734890
Imagine Fair Haven being written today...
Americans and sensitivity culture has still taken a pass over the entire Irish infatuation they've always had, still, I doubt they wouldn't slip in one of those "black Irish" actors named DeSean O'Grady.
>>71734821
I imagine its basically like watching porn or reading Playboy is today. As long as it's done in private, then no one really cares. It's just a completely lifelike simulation compared to just looking at images.
To paraphrase the old joke: It's a godsend for hormonal teenagers.
>>71734941
Yeah but the prime directive tho
>>71734967
I know, it's great. All the talk of the Federation being progressive and accepting in TNG is just lip service. At its best it's the White Man's Burden in space, those silly alien races get themselves into no end of trouble and it's up to the enlightened Starfleet to save them from themselves, like a wise parent smiling and patronizing their childrens' mischief. At its worst they're downright racist; The Enterprise saves some Ferengi moments before their ship explodes, and Riker's first words: "Find our 'guests' some quarters.. preferably away from mine!"
>>71735064
That's how the left operates covertly at least among their intellectuals.
The ability to pretend like cultures aren't inferior by reinforcing their negative stereotypes as nothing more than who people are racially or culturally.
In TNG, they are open but selective about their racism in general like towards the Ferengi but look upon Klingons like noble savages.
Like you said, the whole equanimity thing is lip service; dressing that you can take off casually or outright dismiss so long as a war doesn't break out.
just saw the de-evolved episode of TNG (pic related) and want more horror-type episodes. anyone have recommendations?
>>71735332
Frame of Mind is the first that comes to ..mind.
>>71735332
Frame of Mind, Night Terrors
>>71734867
I don't think television will survive forever as a medium of entertainment, but things we watch on screens will continue to be entertainment, which the characters should have basically interpreted "tv" to mean
>>71735517
I think he'd mean the network/studio system.
>>71735412
>>71735507
thanks guys!
>>71735517
See
>>71735554
We don't call it television when we stream shows online.
Movies that we "purchase" and then watch on our laptops are hardly ever considered "television".
If in terms of what Riker means by TV I think he meant the act of sitting down, grabbing the remote and switching through the channels.
After all, that episode came out in 1987, the internet wasn't even in the minds of people, nor were personal computers even commonplace yet.
>>71735609
>>71735609
Also Cause & Effect is not exactly horror, but very cool mystery episode.
Then there's The Game which is kind of a dumb body-snatchers type deal. And finally Q Who which isn't so much horror but it is a major plot episode and one of the finest of the series.
>>71735739
>nor were personal computers even commonplace yet
You grew up poor?
>>71726105
Based Jellico
>>71736030
I wasn't even born in 1987 but I know for certain that computers were not even a middle class thing for most people in the highly developed west until the beginning of the internet in the 90s.
>>71730378
it's not on netflix UK though
>>71736159
There are 7 seasons/series of TNG on Netflix RIGHT NOW
source: I just watched some of it
>>71736208
I thought they took it off?
>>71734821
Why do you think the Klingons spent so much time at Quark's?
>>71711181
Whats going on here
>>71735064
It doesn't help that Star Trek tends to go for the races of hats style of world design. Most Klingons are honorable idiots that would sooner die in needless battle than rub two braincells together, most Ferengi are scheming and treacherous traders just looking for an opportunity and so on.
>>71736285
it's all there
>>71736155
this is correct, mid 90's is when we had high speed internet which was the real start of the culture as we know it.
I mean no one was sharing videos on 14k
>>71721993
I think sensors would be scanning like camera but on more wavelengths, thus allowing them to still show pictures and probably audio, but ....
don't?
I am guessing they're temperature scanner for fire?
>>71734726
yeah, like in the docking bay....
>>71728885
>Improve yourself
Self-improvement is masturbation.
>>71737401
This is true in reality, as well, so it makes sense.
>>71734554
That's what made "Pathfinder" so moving. He gets so creepy and disturbing that security comes after him and we're all like, shit that's me irl.
>why don't you come to dinner with us this evening, anon
>uuhhh… well, I uh… I'm having dinner with my star trek fantasy
>>71734793
>>71735517
>watching TV
I haven't watched TV in my home for over ten years.
>>71738094
Same here, my fellow sovereign citizen. I don't want the CIA spying on me while I sleep.
So jjtrek sulu is gay now
>>71732161
9 out of 10
>>71737401
true but in both cases its shown that their ways are hurting thier people. Worf spends nearly all of ds9 and a little bit of TNG trying to Make Kronos great again and return to the more introspective, samurai like warrior over the barbaric heavy metal warrior theyve become. In the ferengi's case, Quark learns to be a bit less cold hearted and he prospers from it (maybe not in a traditional prosperous ferengi way), not to mention all the female rights episodes.
>>71739409
>in the course of a few seasons mugi ruins all of ferengi culture
>>71734890
>tfw no holodeck to make the perfect irish husbando
>>71739448
they made a good point about 50% of the economy is just sitting around doing nothing. I think Ferengi care more about profit than anything else. Its a logical next step for their culture though how it came about was admittedly a bit weird.
>>71723000
I haven't read anything about the new series because it's behind a pay wall and i don't care anymore. What is this meme?
Also star trek has always been socially progressive. It's supposed to be by design.
>>71739577
>they made a good point about 50% of the economy is just sitting around doing nothing.
They're not "50% of the economy"; they're worth next to nothing. Hell, they''re worth even less than chattel slaves because at least chattel slaves provide labor.
>I think Ferengi care more about profit than anything else. Its a logical next step for their culture though how it came about was admittedly a bit weird.
Yeah, because nothing says "profit" like a progressive income tax and labor laws.
>>71730349
It only took me like 5 months but then again I only fully watched TOS, TAS, TNG and DS9, I skipped around in Voyager and enterprise
>>71741783
>Watching TAS
I'll never understand how a grown man (read 21 and above) could actually watch that series.
The actors are just going through the lines half-assed, the animation looks like it was taken from a rough draft of concepts, and it's overall just cheesy.
The only thing good about it or redeemable is maybe one or two stories but then again I couldn't get past watching the first and second one before saying "enough's enough".
>>71743020
Because once you run out of TOS episodes, and have seen the movies, then TAS is the only place to get your fix of fresh Star Trek content. Everything without Kirk or Spock must die.
>>71743050
>Everything without Kirk or Spock must die.
I have a hunch you are just pretending. I can't imagine someone even in their 30s saying that.
I'm done with Enterprise and I can't decide whether to finally get around to TOS or to watch DS9 again to get the taste of the finale out of my mouth.
>>71743800
If you haven't seen TOS, watch that.
>>71743800
Watch the TOS movies, if you like them then go back and watch the series, maybe intersperse it with DS9 if you're in danger of burning out
>>71739448
It's not like the Nagus wasn't the main reason allowing a woman's shrewd business decisions to lead him to believe suddenly they all can be accountants
>>71745511
Yeah, it's not like Moogie took advantage of a lonely, senile old man to advance her agendas or anything. Nope, it was all Zek.
>>71746275
>Ferenginar's face when Grand Nagus Rom announces their 50 billion bars of gold pressed latinum defence pact with Bajor, their greatest ally.
>>71735332
Frame of Mind is a great and massively underrated one, but people already pointed it out
A few of the early ENT episodes actually have a sort of horror vibe to them
>>71735332
Phantasms is the only one I can think of that comes close, Imaginary Friend is pretty creepy but not very horror-y
>>71746875
>Imaginary Friend
>Another pre-teen ginger girl has nightmares
Someone was obsessed with ginger girls.
>>71748079
Naomi's all grown up now
>>71743870
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO ME, YOU SON OF A BITCH
I JUST WATCHED THE PILOT AND NOW THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF IS YEOMAN COLT
>>71739803
I like to think this guy is still sitting at his computer hours later expecting a response. Makes me chortle.
>>71735332
>The Borg destroyed everything! There's nothing left!
>NO! WE CAN'T GO BACK!
>>71749024
One of the best delivered lines on television. He felt so real and terrified.
>>71711181
why is spock black?
What I never got about TNG was its military structure. Almost everyone we see is an officer and attended the academy.
Yet we clearly see some enlisted grunt people who aren't officers...but its hard to tell. I swear that O'brien went from enlisted to officer without anyone really batting an eye...or was tit the other way around.
>>71749199
The Romulan Sun exssshhhsshploded and he got sunburned really badly
Also it fused his dentures to his gums
>>71749298
Obrian was never an officer. Except when the show says that all star fleet members are officers (like police officers, maybe?)
>>71749199
they needed a token black character and they decided to make him a vulcan
Hey everyone! Let's talk about how Star Fleet holds all life to be precious, regardless of its origins or current circumstances.
>>71749298
Colm Meaney played an unnamed officer who was at the helm and in a red uniform in the pilot, they just re-used the actor and all the attempts to explain it without that fact are stupid
>>71749386
>token
But he and the doctor were the best part of that show by far!
>>71749358
He was a chief, as in a chief petty officer (like the navy).
>>71749408
>"Hello swee-tee!"
>literally lunged to my right to protect my unborn biological daughter
Why was Troi's mother not played by Joan Rivers?
>>71749602
Nepotism.
>>71749424
His name was "Battle Bridge Conn" in the credits.
>>71749525http://www.imagefap.com/photo/228141967/?pgid=&gid=3317775&page=0&idx=0
>>71711181
Only caught the odd episode as a child, just wondering with the replicator why anyone would bother fighting a war, if everythings plentiful and you can replicate a mansion with dick sucking robo maids why on earth would you sign up to go fight for more space land?
why are all of the trekthreads full of tourists
>>71738415
>tfw you used to think the government could see you through the television.
I sympathize but really I am annoyed by commercials and ever since broadband I've been downloading what I watch.
>>71749927
Because men have a pathological need to conquer; if not other humans then themselves or the natural world. Alexander, Columbus, Hitler and Kirk are all cut from the same cloth.
>>71749927
Those molecules have to come from somewhere fucboi.
>>71749713
>>71749424
You ever been to Farpoint Station? I hear it's a rather dull place.
>>71749111
Is that line from the Devolved episode?
>>71750231
It's the one where Worf breaks time or whatever and wins a trophy.
>>71750231
>>71750386
It's also the only really great part of that entire episode.
>>71749927
This is explained by hostile alien races being very stupid or paranoid.
Also,
>you can replicate a mansion
It's really not clear to what extent free housing is available or how land is proportioned. Resource management may still be a costly endeavor in terms of energy and human resources. The most powerful machinery is in the hands of the military, and that's what we see in the show. And for all the wonders that replicators can produce in our perspective, we often hear of the crew complaining about the quality of replicated food, and that's when the replicators are working. Larger industrial replicators are established to be very valuable and in very short supply.
what did she mean by this?
