You have ten (10) seconds to tell me why this movie was bad, without mentioning:
>le evul jews at Disney
>muh corporate cashgrab
>the race or gender of any of the actors
>/r/theredpill MRA rhetoric (muh feminism etc)
>hurr durr kylo ren isn't badass enough!!!
>complaining that the movie doesn't adhere to prequel bullshit
GO.
>>71654163
The fact that it feels like something made by a teenaged fan of the OT
>>71654163
Rey is boring and the movie has very little tension while also being highly derivative. I don't think it's bad, just run of the mill.
Do you think lucas regrets selling to Disney?
i'd tell you if i remembered anything from it
Listen to what this guy has to say and tell me he isn't right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPgtvVTmJMg
>Inb4 OP comes up with some bullshit to excuse himself from watching said video
Can't stand on its own.
Poor pacing.
Forgettable soundtrack.
Shits on the lore.
Adheres to originals bullshit.
Boring characters
Boring plot
Boring despite the schizofrenic pacing that is a hallmark of J J's films.
Too many JJ-isms that I despise in general
>hurr durr kylo ren isn't badass enough!!!
Literally NOBODY complained about this, he was the best part of the movie.
>>71654364
>derivative of a highly original science fiction film
stopped watching there, Star Wars is literally a big ripoff mishmash of all the shit Lucas and his buddies liked. It's World War II air raid reels combined with samurai flicks and the quintessential hero's journey. It's derivative by its very nature.
>>71654376
JJ's authentic mystery box
Lack of tension
Lazy story
>>71654458
Since you're apparently too retarded to watch a 20 minute long video, here's basically what he's asking:
How come Finn goes from apparently being traumatized at holding a fellow trooper in his arms as they die, to killing a bunch of them during his escape from the First Order as if he doesn't care about them?
How come Starkiller base is supposed to be better than the Death Star despite the Death Star a) Being mobile, and b) Not requiring a sun's energy to charge its super laser?
Speaking of the sun, why is the First Order so stupid that they build their super weapon so it drains energy from the sun, which will eventually result in the death of the planet itself?
How does Rey go from showing no signs of being force-sensitive, to reading Kylo's mind and performing a Jedi mind trick, two things which literally only Jedi masters are capable of?
While on the topic of Ma-Rey Sue, how is she able to speak Droid so fluently? She can understand BB-8 perfectly, whereas in the OT only C-3PO was able to understand R2-D2.
Who's funding the First Order? The Empire at least had the benefit of being a fucking Empire, but how does (what is essentially) a splinter-group of the Empire manage to pay for all its troops, weapons, vehicles, etc?
Why is it called "The Resistance" when it's established that the Empire has basically been destroyed and Democracy has returned to the galaxy? You can't really name yourself "The Resistance" when your enemy is much smaller than you and you're already in power.
What exactly does Kylo Ren intend to "finish" what Vader started? Vader redeemed himself at the end of RotJ and became Anakin Skywalker once again. What exactly does he plan to "finish"?
>Inb4 OP comes up with some bullshit to excuse himself from watching said video
>stopped watching there
Thank you for proving my point, retard.
>>71654728
>Why is it called "The Resistance" when it's established that the Empire has basically been destroyed and Democracy has returned to the galaxy? You can't really name yourself "The Resistance" when your enemy is much smaller than you and you're already in power.
Same reason Liberals still invoke the KKK as a threat.
Once the mission is complete you loose your control, therefore the mission must never end.
>>71654163
It's a reheated remake of A New Hope.
>>71654163
It is the same fucking copy of episode 4. This is my only concern.
>>71654728
>How come Finn goes from apparently being traumatized at holding a fellow trooper in his arms as they die, to killing a bunch of them during his escape from the First Order as if he doesn't care about them?
Oh yeah, Finn should have just refused to fire on the guys who were trying to kill him, and people seem to miss that the crux of his decision to turn on the First Order was being ordered to gun down dozens of innocent people, not the random stormtrooper dying
>How come Starkiller base is supposed to be better than the Death Star despite the Death Star a) Being mobile, and b) Not requiring a sun's energy to charge its super laser?
is is pointless autistic nitpicking, but Starkiller was apparently mobile and had the capability of destroying an entire system from the other side of the galaxy. You can see why this would be useful.
>How does Rey go from showing no signs of being force-sensitive, to reading Kylo's mind and performing a Jedi mind trick, two things which literally only Jedi masters are capable of?
Kylo was emotionally unstable and unsure of himself at that point. Him taking of the mask is a metaphor for him opening himself up and exposing himself to Rey; the entire point of Kylo Ren is that he's a retard who's in over his head, he's an edgy school shooter pretending to be Vader in order to feel better about himself. And she mind-tricked one dumb stormtrooper, you're making up bullshit that only Jedi Masters can do that.
>While on the topic of Ma-Rey Sue, how is she able to speak Droid so fluently?
She's a mechanic. Luke wasn't. Makes sense. Luke eventually learned to speak droid, as he seems to talk to R2 in ESB and RotJ.
>Who's funding the First Order?
More autistic nitpicking. Might as well complain why there's sound in space or how Han was able to get to Bespin despite no hyperdrive. Who the fuck cares.
JJ and his mystery box bullshit. Episode IV left us asking very few questions. JJ made this entire movie to fuck with people. He packs in questions. It's not a good way to start a story. We should be asking all the questions after episode VIII. Fuck the mystery box. It's like he's winking at you.
it was forgettable
>>71654458
>hurr durr every movie with influences is just a big ripoff
>>71654953
the prequels have ruined people's minds about Star Wars.
Star Wars is not about details and backstory, it's about the adventure at hand.
>>71654728
>Why is it called "The Resistance" when it's established that the Empire has basically been destroyed and Democracy has returned to the galaxy? You can't really name yourself "The Resistance" when your enemy is much smaller than you and you're already in power.
The Resistance is separate from the Republic. And the only requirement for a "resistance" is that it's resisting something.
>What exactly does Kylo Ren intend to "finish" what Vader started? Vader redeemed himself at the end of RotJ and became Anakin Skywalker once again. What exactly does he plan to "finish"?
He wants to destroy the Jedi. Kylo Ren either doesn't know Vader redeemed himself (thus his interpretation of Vader as a person is flawed, the idea of heroes not living up to the legend is a motif in the movie) or he thinks Vader turning to the light was a sign of weakness (an important part of Kylo's character, he's constantly refusing to follow his conscience and stop killing people because he thinks being good makes you weak)
>>71654953
>tfa shills will say anything
>>71654163
the fact that it's not good
>>71655023
Kylo knows Vader redeemed himself but thinks it was an act of weakness. There was more to the scene where Kylo talks to Snoke. JJ decided to cut a bunch of shit that makes the plot flow a lot better. He wanted his reveals to be more impactful but in the process he fucked up the story telling. I fucking hate JJ Abrams as a storyteller. He's a competent director though.
>>71654954
>Episode IV left us asking very few questions
Episode IV was also supposed to be the only movie because they feared it would flop.
>>71654163
it's just a remake
>>71654953
>but Starkiller was apparently mobile
Where was this stated?
>the entire point of Kylo Ren is that he's a retard who's in over his head, he's an edgy school shooter pretending to be Vader in order to feel better about himself.
That still doesn't explain how she could suddenly read his mind.
>And she mind-tricked one dumb stormtrooper, you're making up bullshit that only Jedi Masters can do that.
If that's true, how come Luke wasn't performing mind tricks in ESB?
>Luke eventually learned to speak droid, as he seems to talk to R2 in ESB and RotJ.
But Luke's "speaking" droid is more "I say this and the droid beeps to show how it feels", Rey is somehow capable of understanding exactly what BB-8 says with no need for a translator.
>Might as well complain why there's sound in space or how Han was able to get to Bespin despite no hyperdrive. Who the fuck cares.
>Just turn off your brain brah!
>>71655023
>The Resistance is separate from the Republic. And the only requirement for a "resistance" is that it's resisting something.
Okay, that I can accept because it's at least plausible.
>Kylo Ren either doesn't know Vader redeemed himself (thus his interpretation of Vader as a person is flawed, the idea of heroes not living up to the legend is a motif in the movie)
If that's true, why would his parents keep it a secret that he redeemed himself?
>or he thinks Vader turning to the light was a sign of weakness (an important part of Kylo's character, he's constantly refusing to follow his conscience and stop killing people because he thinks being good makes you weak)
So he slaughters innocent civilians and somehow we're to believe he's conflicted on whether or not he's evil?
>>71655023
>Kylo Ren either doesn't know Vader redeemed himself
top kek. he was learning at lukes academy and Luke didn't tell him, what a faggot
>>71655113
A blessing in disguise. It made the story arc much better.
>>71655143
>>but Starkiller was apparently mobile
>Where was this stated?
Straight from the mouth of Pablo Hidalgo, our Lord and savior
>>71655143
>So he slaughters innocent civilians and somehow we're to believe he's conflicted on whether or not he's evil?
Yes, because there were entire scenes dedicated to him being conflicted. Like, this was the ENTIRE character arc, dude. He's a loser desperately trying to convince himself he's the big bad darksider he wants to be even though it doesn't make him feel any better about himself.
>>71654953
>Starkiller was apparently mobile
Han and the crew track down a free moving planet the size of texas
>>71654163
QUESTION
Who hates Star wars more?
Alec Guiness or Harrison Ford?
>>71654163
>Hey let's turn a planet into a deathstar without anyone noticing something which even the original empire couldn't pull off.
Nigga plz
>>71654163
It was well made but there were too many needless characters and the dialogue was cringey at times.
>>71655273
Alec Guinness only hated Star Wars in retrospect because it overshadowed his more artistically fulfilling work. While shooting the movie he playfully mocked it in private correspondence, but everyone on set said he was the only one who took the movie seriously and didn't think it would fail.
Harrison Ford never hated Star Wars, he just thought Han needed to die to give the series more dramatic weight.
>>71655273
I read a theory that Ford hates Han because the character is exactly like him. It wasn't fun to play for him.
>>71655273
Definitely Guinness, he was supposed to be in Empire Strikes Back but he demanded that Lucas wrote him out of it. He thought that Star Wars was just a soap opera set in space.
>>71654163
Harrison Ford's acting stinks up the screen worse than Anakin.
>>71654953
>Might as well complain why there's sound in space or how Han was able to get to Bespin despite no hyperdrive. Who the fuck cares.
Just because the OT made mistakes doesn't mean it excuses this movie from also making mistakes.
>>71654163
It's derivative, uninspired and fails to provide ANYTHING new to the Star Wars universe. It also promotes the most cancerous current day tropes.
Plus all the things you mentioned.
>>71654364
Watched the whole video, most of this is autistic nitpicking, some of it is valid criticism but he's missing the larger picture, and a few of these points are spot on. If it isn't blatantly obvious TFA is a reboot diffused as a sequel and is me r to start up essentially a whole new franchise of Star Wars media for Disney. It makes perfect business sense and it's probably the best thing that they could do with what they were given. That said the story rings too similar to ANH, it dosent feel as genuine as the OT, and the music sucked.
As far as the worth of the prequels and where TFA fits in and Lucas' legacy, honestly if you haven't read "How StarWars Conquered the Universe" it's hard to make valid arguments on the subject. That book details so much of what was going on behind the scenes that it really paints the original films, the prequels, and Lucas in a new light.
Anyway that particular video is alright, he has some points, but he's about as charismatic as a dead trout and his arguments are framed at middle school levels of "this is dumb because I feel it's dumb".
I watched it for free and fell asleep the first time. Second time made it through, but it was just boring. Seeing the original cast was nice. Didnt really care for any of the new people.
>>71654163
>tell me why the movie is bad without mentioning the legit reason for why it's bad
ladies and gentlemen, the logic of your average mousefag
>>71654163
Rey doesn't have a character arc
Badly written
mediocre characters
lazy story telling and writing
OST is subpar compared to other SW movies.
It was pretty forgettable outside of the lightsaber fights, they should have taken more risks with it and now Rogue One is fucked since they're trying to make it more family friendly like 7.
>>71656074
>That book details so much of what was going on behind the scenes that it really paints the original films, the prequels, and Lucas in a new light.
I loved it when he LITERALLY called George Lucas a cuck
>>71656645
She does, it's not complex, but it's there
5 > 4 > 3 > 6 > 1 > 7 > 2
For me there isnt a single moment from TFA that would excite me to rewatch it.
>>71656782
He literally was a cuck. What must make it even worse is that his wife was very talented and it was at least partially due to her editing skills that the first Star Wars came together as much as it did.
However my favorite part of the book is how Lucas came up with Count Dooku's name.
>>71656837
>Rey beat a trained dark Jedi.
People who say this are idiots incapable of comprehending a character arc. A villain in a children's movie is too complex for them, it's laughable.
>hurr durr doesn't follow physics
Yeah, fuck off, Star Wars has NEVER followed the laws of physics, are you just going to ignore the sound in space? Eat shit
>>71654163
>I bypassed the character development!
Rey was too strong and too good without developing any. Luke took 3 films to become a badass, Anakin took 3 films to become a badass, and Obi-Wan was at the end of his training in the first film and STILL took till the 3rd film to fully realize his badass potential.
Rey becomes a badass over the course of 1 film with almost no development. Luke was still uncomfortable with the Force and failing at it in the second film of his trilogy. Rey beat a trained dark Jedi.
That's not to mention the retreading of old territory the movie did with the "totally not another death star", that somehow drained a sun of all its energy to fire... but was going to be able to fire more than once.. and that base would be useless after the star was drained, and the entire planet wouldn't move.
Not to mention.. in what fucking physics can you observe a planet on one side of the galaxy destroying another star system light years away.. from a 3rd planet, light years away.. in real time?
I'm sorry but Episode VII is vying for worst Star Wars movie at this point. I can't decide between it, Episode II, and Episode I.. all were really bad.
Mary sue and almost identical to A New Hope.
>>71656837
Episode VII has a lot of problems, but it's problems are entirely different than the problems that the prequels have. And at least in my opinion these problems in Ep VII aren't as critical.
>>71656869
What character arc? She has no training and is mind tricking using telekinesis and beating someone who has had training in a lightsaber fight. Kylo Ren's training might not be COMPLETE but he's had a hell of a lot more training than she has, probably years, and he's turned to the Dark Side which is supposed to be quicker and easier to master.
There's basically no way she should have beat him.
>Sound in space
Forgivable, because no sound in space makes for boring space fights. But there's only so far you can push suspension of disbelief, and the star base destroying things from across the galaxy instantly broke it for me.
>>71656965
I was referring to Kylo Ren, you idiot. He lost that fight because he was a fucking emotional wreck and was mortally wounded. He was totally out of tune with the true spirit of the force because he was so obsessed with his own bloodline (midichlorians BTFO) and he refused to fully let the Force act through him because he was afraid of being pulled back to the light. He's also losing his shit because he thought killing his own dad would make him stronger but it only fucked him up more
and you know he also took a shot to the gut from a bowcaster
>suspension of disbelief
Oh fuck off, nigger, this is literally space fantasy with magic and wizards, you're a pedantic piece of shit, you must be a blast at parties
>>71656909
The problems with the prequels are a child actor and a CGI character created for children (Episode I), aging CGI technology, the world looking too shiny, new and advanced compared to the original trilogy which is supposed to be new and more advanced but the aesthetic was more worn and utilitarian looking, and poor dialogue that wasn't able to be salvaged because they didn't have the same caliber of actors as the Original Trilogy. I mean, Ewan is good, but he's no Harrison Ford when it comes to improvising his lines to make them sound better and more charming.
Either way, at least Episode III was decent. Episode II.. I can't stand the diner scene, the death sticks scene and the hammy on screen "romance" between Anakin and Padme. Epsidoe I.. while pod racing is a meme, it was bad, and Jar Jar was awful.
Episode VII had Rey being awful enough to make it vy for those 2 in competition for worst of the worst.
>>71656874
This too, one of the things that made Luke so interesting was that he was very imperfect and went through actual hardships, while getting his ass handed to him plenty of times.
Rey is really bland and only has the waifu appeal, the whole sequence with her suddenly discovering the force and being able to use it so easily tuned me out.
>>71657075
Rey being good at the Force isn't even remotely as big of a problem as the prequels, dude. They're fundamentally broken movies on every level.
The Force isn't fucking DBZ powerlevels.
>>71654163
The sole fact that you HAVE to make a list of arguments to exclude is proof enough that it's bad.
>>71654163
It's not bad but it's also not very good. It's the beginning of Disney turning Star Wars into a marvel-like boring turdfest.
>>71654163
Glib facsimile
>>71654953
>innocent people, not the random stormtrooper dying
But in this movie the stormtroopers ARE innocent people, since they've been brainwashed.
Your argument is invalid.
>>71654953
>She's a mechanic. Luke wasn't
Okay, fuck you you don't know shit about star wars.
>>71654163
>routine everything
nothing had a sense of peril, even the planets blowing up was this brief spectacle that was rushed by before people moved onto planning to blow up the death star again. Really ruined the film.
>>71654163
The reasons you listed are perfectly valid it's literally a cash grab and you fucking know it. I was entertained when I saw it but I realised it was because it was just episode 4 again. Didn't stop me from enjoying it but it's lazy at its core
>>71654163
Remix fan-fiction
>>71654163
The main characters were boring as fuck.
Finn was a soldier from birth/young age turned traitor yet shows no signs of this background in his character. We never see him struggle with fitting in with common folk, his ingrained training hindering him or even helping him, or any conflict killing his former brothers in arms.
Rey is plain boring, there's nothing defining about her except she can do anything the plot requires, and the more.
Kylo not being bad ass is a massive problem though, because the movie and following trilogy lacks a threatening villain. Snoke is a joke and kylo is laughable. It's the same problem with grevious and dooku. It needs a serious villain.
It never really explored anything, just jumped from place to place.
The actual plot makes zero sense, "a map to Luke"? What the fuck? R2D2 just wakes up with the other half... It's just really poorly written.
The Luke map is stupid.
>>71659502
How in the fuck can you even find a map to a person?
I can't.
It's an amazing movie.
Harrison Ford did a shit job and you could tell he was there for a paycheck. His lines were cringey.
The cantina bar scene was cringe too, that alien lady sucked
It was lackluster...so-so...wishy-washy
>>71654163
>rehashing old ideas
>weak dialogues
>mary-sue
>atrocious ADHD pacing and editing
>>71655023
>The Resistance is separate from the Republic. And the only requirement for a "resistance" is that it's resisting something.
This is such a cop-out.
>>71659329
I liked the idea of Finn's character. It's a shame they didn't do anything with it.
>>71654163
Boring main cast.
Reuse far too much things from OT.
0 explaining on what is happening in the galaxy and why.
Voldemort.
Ebin space lazor you can see from the other side of the galaxy.
Death Star but BIGGER!!!!!
>>71654953
>but Starkiller was apparently mobile
You are telling me that a whole planet with atmosphere can move through hyperspace?
What's the point of ships and fleets then? Just put engines on fucking planets. Along those guns they had on Hoth.
>>71654163
Its just retelling the story of a new hope. Not just going "history repeats itself" but lets reboot it without making it obvious.
>>71660331
That's because it is. They need the good guys to always be the underdogs even though it makes no fucking sense. They don't wanna show the new republic acting like a police force now?
>>71654163
It's a remake of the original Star Wars that brings nothing new to the table
>>71654163
Shit characters
Rehashed A New Hope
The only thing that made the film truly memorable was the fact that Han Solo died
Far too fucking convenient
I.E. the Millenium Falcon reveal which instead of being explained, the convenience is hidden by a fucking joke
abrams master of copy and paste
>muh prophecy!
>>71657106
The depth of sheevs master plan and senate shenanigans are far more interesting than anything happening in force awakens. More over the choreography was great
>>71654163
it's an exact copy of the first movie
>>71654163
>you have 10 seconds to tell me why this movie was bad, without mentioning
>the makers of the film
>the motivation for the movie
>the demographics of any of the protagonists
>the very relevant discussion over what constitutes a strong female character in today's cinema
>the strength of the antagonist
>the continuity of the sequel
Are you fucking retarded?
>>71654163
Movie was great but i disliked starkiller base, poe, finn and kylo ren
>Rey is a Mary Sue with almost no story
>Boyega is ok, but he looks like a gorilla that has no idea why it's in a movie so fuck that
>deus ex machinas and bullshit coincidences make up 90% of the plot
>meh pacing
>story has some stupid elements
>the bad guys are still presented as a serious threat, even though they are retarded
>>71654286
"Derivative" and "derived" (which is what I think you meant) are not related. The former is a physics word. Anyway, the movie would HAVE to be derived, as it is a sequel. Beyond that, completely original content is rare as fuck. Generally, everything we read or watch is derived from something.
Rey really is boring, though.
>>71660544
Well when the sun fucking disappears I suppose the planet would just hurl through space until it gets hooked by another system's gravity.
>>71655319
>but everyone on set said he was the only one who took the movie seriously
Because the man was a consummate professional. But his dislike for the movies is pretty well documented.
>>71655064
This. You can give them a power point presentation on why the movie was bad, and they'll give you made up theories/opinions on why your criticisms are wrong or they'll say you're nitpicking.
>>71664376
This. The best actors are the ones who treat it like a job and take pride in THEIR work, not the overall result of movies.
Rey is a Mary sue
>>71655143
>where was this stated?
where was stated that it wasn't?
literally retarded thinking. What did you expect?
>but what is the Starkiller Base exactly, Finn? I want to know everything
>10 minutes later
>ok now let's talk about shields
buy that book with film lore if you are that kind of fanboi
>>71664429
Alec Guinness and Harrison Ford pretty much are why people remember the original trilogy movies fondly at all, if not for them salvaging the bad script (and actually, Hamill and Fisher weren't bad either) we'd look at them today like we look at the prequels. The prequels had just as bad of scripts they just didn't have the same caliber of actors to salvage those scripts and make corny into campy. Harrison Ford especially was able to make the dialogue, which if he'd stuck to what was written in the script, would be just as stiff and awful as it was in the prequels. Harrison Ford ad libbed a lot of his lines, and well, made them better.
>>71654163
>Movie felt way too short
>So many plot holes such as how the Empire were able to build a massive Death Star carved into a planet in only 30 years when all the Empire were defeated
>Movie should have begun when Kylo was dropped off at Luke's Jedi Academy: as we get to know him more and why he joined the dark side
But of course due to JJ wanting to make an absolute copy of A New Hope: we had to begin the movie with Kylo in the mask and Stormtroopers massacring an area just like A New Hope begins
>JJ should have gone with the original script idea where Luke is met earlier in the film and Rey and Luke go on adventures together as they track down ancient artifacts - this then would have let Luke come face to face with Han and eventually Leia and all 3 of the original team would have been reunited
>Rey is a Mary Sue: absolutely makes no sense with how she knows everything about the force; is able to do Jedi mind tricks without anyone teaching her... if JJ filmed a scene with her reading a book about the Jedi myths or about Han explaining to her about the force then it would have all made sense - only way for it to now make sense is if Rey is a reincarnation of Anakin which explains why all powers come easy to her
>Luke would never abandon all his friends and become a hermit (again JJ is doing this just so Episode 8 is exactly like ESB with Rey going to be trained with a Yoda like wise Jedi).
>Why the fuck does Rey need to be trained? She is a Mary Sue who knows everything? She almost beat a Sith Lord (who cares if he was injured).
>The lack of Prequel content (such as no prequel planet ever mentioned) disturbed me greatly
>>71654163
Unoriginal in most every way that would mater.
>Muh woman lead
Doesn't matter and to say it does is sexist
>Muh lightsaber
Turning lightsabers into sentient beings that pick who they belong to is pretty stupid by any coherent standards. Also kylo's was gay af.
This movie was a fan service created by a half assed fan funded and produced by money over quality invested companies. You can call Disney Jews if you kike but the truth is they are just a money driven machine with zero soul, a marketing company more than anything else in the entertainment industry. That is really all they have to offer at this point. Movies that you are told to like, not that are actually good.
>>71654163
It tries too hard to be nostalgic of the first film without offering anything new substantially. It is also derisive of the prequels but does some parts no better or worse than it did. It added nothing new to the lore and doesn't expand upon the original in anyway. The action scenes weren't that great either. All in all, it tries too hard to remind people of how great the franchise instead of trying to be a movie.
>>71664715
>dumb prequelbabby thinks his opinion matters
Did you even read OP?
>>71654163
Too reliant on nostalgia
Boring main character with a poor arc
It was vapid as fuck.
>>71664839
The prequels are canon anon whether you like to deny this. Force Awakens is called EPISODE 7 for a reason.
>>71664715
>that pic
that's fucking retarded.
>let's explain a shitty movie by making a shitty movie!
>>71664264
>"Derivative" and "derived" (which is what I think you meant) are not related. The former is a physics word.
Jesus Christ.
Google define:derivative
>(typically of an artist or work of art) imitative of the work of another person, and usually disapproved of for that reason.
>synonyms: imitative, unoriginal, uninventive, unimaginative, uninspired; copied, plagiarized, plagiaristic, secondhand; trite, hackneyed, clichéd, stale, stock, banal;
>something that is based on another source.
>Mathematics
>an expression representing the rate of change of a function with respect to an independent variable.
Math doesn't have "own" the word "derivative", nor have a monopoly on it.
>>71654163
>carbon copy of ep IV
>main character is a mary sue
>boring, anticlimactic third act
>>71664706
Who would've thought a simple carpenter could turn out to be so good.
Anyways, prequels, aside from being horribly (mostly) casted and written also rely too much on shitty CGI and bring the corny/cheesy part to a whole new level.
>>71654163
JJ is a sloppy director with no sense of scale or respect for his audience. He rushes through any kind of establishment or development for characters to drop us in the middle of another consequence free action setpieces marginally connected to the adjacent scenes.
>>71654163
It nearly put me to sleep.
No cool aliens or robots
>>71654163
My only problem was the dialogue in the first 1/2 of the movie. Made me cringe.
The rest was fantastic.
>>71654163
As a stand alone movie it's bad because it relies on the idea that it doesn't need to explain parts of it because there will be other movies to explain it.
As a movie that's part of a larger series it's bad because the primary antagonist gets his shit pushed in by somebody with absolutely no training in what is basically the first act of the trilogy.
Han solo acts out of character.
Rey excels at everything she attempts and is better at it than everybody else even if it's their speciality.
Finn was great though.
>>71665207
>the primary antagonist gets his shit pushed in by somebody with absolutely no training
This pissed me off more than anything.
>>71665207
>>Finn was great
at being a nigger.
That's to be expected from his lifelong training.
If you were talking about something else he was great at, please list it.
>>71654163
It was a poor man's retread of episode 4.
There were no iconic alien designs.
The Raid crew casting was completely pointless.
The new characters were flat and bland with rushed, screwed up motivations that made little sense such as Finn crying over his dead stormstrooper friend then not even 10 minutes later guns down all of them in a tie fighter.
The re-write of Finn was a huge mistake. He originally was supposed to be afraid and selfish, the whole point of the character was that he would man up when his friends' lives were on the line, the perfect scene in the trailer when he was terrified of Kylo yet stood up to him to protect Rey was ruined.
I didn't mind the Rey "mary sue" stuff because I think it's building up to something in her character that would explain her vast knowledge of starships, the on-goings of the universe, and how to immediately use the Force.
Overall not a bad film, but it was heavily flawed and made worse by the changes to the script.
>>71665350
I thought he worked as the comedy relief and while his arc wasn't particularly amazing it was by far the best part of the movie.
>>71654163
While they could have easily made the story not rely on references, and could have made it it's own unique part of the story with small involvement with the old cast, they went for "epic star wars references xD" every few minutes. If you try to imagine Rey being a consistent character instead of changing every couple of scenes and not having any real character arc to justify it, it could have also been better. The movie seems so slapped together knowing the audience would lap it up for being better than say Episode I and II.
>>71665408
>I think it's building up to something in her character that would explain her vast knowledge of starships, the on-goings of the universe, and how to immediately use the Force.
I hope they do this.
>>71665411
I get what you're coming from but I don't think it's sane to laugh at people's disabilities.
Also the best part of the movie was that spic pilot, who did pretty which nothing of value.
>Incoherent story
>Hollow, inconsistent characters
>Terrible pacing
>Marvel tone goes against the spirit of Star Wars
>>71654163
Rehash
Rushed
Bad acting
Bad music
Boring fan fiction characters
No new ideas
No tension
It was just average though. What did you expect? It WASN'T awful. It was just safe.
Can someone explain to me how this movie got stellar reviews?
I'm not one for conspiracies but I just don't see how so many critics could overlook the flaws of this shit flick.
>>71666948
need I remind you of Civil War?
>>71654163
I cant connec t with any of the characters
Solo's death meant nothing, and i didnt feel it there was no build up, it didnt even feel like he was trying to get his son back
The whole rehash of the first film
No new visuals in terms of things that look good
There was no magic
if you think force awakens was bad, you're a contrarian and a pleb, plain and simple.
>>71665767
>It WASN'T awful
It's the worst sw movie by far
5>4>7>6>3>1>2
the only objective rating.
>>71667108
This thread is not about ep2 m8
>>71665767
>No tension
>It WASN'T awful
It was pretty boring to be honest. Boyega was the only thing keeping the cast from being shit.
>>71654163
constant shitty quips
>>71666948
TFA got a 81% on Metacritic, and 6.9 among users, not exactly stellar.
It also got an average score of 8.2 on Rotten Tomatoes.
Basically, all it had to do was be better than the prequels and remind people of the original trilogy.
I also think that many people enjoyed the movie after their first viewing. But on further reflection they realized how uninspired it really was.
>>71654163
10 years from now people will think TFA is just as bad as the prequels
>>71667462
No, the prequels don't have Han or Luke or Leia or Chewie.
TFA will be seen as better than the prequels, but worse than the original trilogy.
My biggest gripes in order:
1. Was essentially a ANH ripoff
2. Rey had no development, is in god mode. She was also thrust into the spotlight for no reason (aka Leia hugs Rey first after Han dies)
3. Paced way too fast. Couldn't tell the relationship between the First Order, the Republic, the Residtsnce, etc also the starkiller was introduced and destroyed in minutes
>>71654163
Another fucking Death Star.
Also the line of dialogue that is literally "durrr but it's bigger, see?"
>>71664264
kys summer
script is uninspired, leans heavily on good will of the franchise. character affectation takes precedence over character development. a lot of stuff alluded to but not resolved, left for a sequel.
>>71667394
81 on meta is universal acclaim
The user score is low because spergs brigaded it with 0 score reviews
>>71654163
Only decent character was Finn, its full of Marvel tier quips and too much fanservice. Also Rey is an atrocious character. Kylo Ren was a neat character though.
>>71667894
KEK
>>71654163
Shit sound track, juvenile and predictable plot, zero character arc. the hunger games is better than this piece of trash
The entire thing made the whole universe seem really bleak. The rebels and main characters from the original trilogy worked so hard and struggled so greatly to defeat the empire. When very similar events happen in this movie, it's not only that it's glaringly similar- it says that nothing was accomplished in the first place. This movie invalidates the original trilogy's reason to exist.
Of course, it's not worth sperging out over. There's two more movies worth of explanation that we don't have.
>>71654163
The protagonist is a mary sue. A black whole that devours potentially interesting story lines (like the disillusioned Stormtrooper who wasn't given enough time to develop a character and went from grieving soldier to trigger happy quiplord sidekick in the blink of an eye) on their wake to become the most awesome person in the galaxy in about two hours.
The heavy moments (DUDE WE DESTROYED AN ENTIRE SOLAR SYSTEM LMAO) are not given time to sink in and thus feel funny instead of devastating, and you can see what was supposed to be a horrifying twist coming from miles away.
The score was utterly forgettable.
The map plot was retarded.
I can think of many more but I'm too bored to type all of it out just so you can meme it all away.
>Rey has no depth, no motivation, and is what the plot needs her to be
Rey is all business, no flaws, and is super important to everyone who comes on screen. I don't mind she is the protagonist, but everything seems so easy for her, there is no moment where you feel she is being tested. She lacks depth in this sense. She also has no motivation for going on this adventure. They try to shoehorn in some sort of 'destiny' meaning but its weak.
She is also so important to everyone who meets her, for no reason other than to segue into the next stage of the adventure. I know its a small gripe, but with so many films made, you'd think the writers would avoid something so lame.
>Storm troopers are innocent people
The movie undercuts its own tension with this. By having it explained that Finn and the other storm troopers are essentially people kidnapped and brainwashed, the scenes where there are battles are basically our heroes killing a bunch of Finns. These are people forced into the job. This could be spun into some kind of theme in the film, but it seems like just a mistake.
>JJ Abrams-ified
Abrams is a good director. This film is shot well, and is very competent. However, the story and the pacing are typical Abrams fare. It's very fast-paced with hints of mysteries. Nothing is allowed to settle in, and Abrams is too impatient to pace a story for a good reveal. On that note, Abrams has done shitty reveals in past films and series, which all don't pay off well. TFA is no different. Nothing revealed was interesting and coupled with the lack of tension, the audience was probably playing with their mobiles until the next action set.
>>71655155
He didn't know he was Vaders relation until shortly before he went dark.
Check out bloodlines it answers a lot of the political background questions and was really good.
>>71656965
He was also gutshot by a bowcaster and bleeding out.
>>71654163
But the cliche nazi symbolism really is tiresome and uncreative at this point.
