Is all of this Batman V Superman stuff still a meme?
"Capekino", Zack Snyder, bragging about how it's a flawless work of art and such, has it passed the point of irony? What percentage of /tv/'s population legitimately enjoys the movie? Is it all part of the "Marveldrones vs DCcucks" scenario? Is it all just a big circular in-joke?
I just feel like Batman v Superman dominates this entire board now.
>>71622992
The people who call it capekino are a low % of tv posters but they are also some of the most autistic, and because of this they post alot, creating the illusion that more people think bvs is good.
At what point will it end? How far from the release of Batman v Superman do we need to get before it stops making up 75% of /tv/ threads?
>>71622992
they try to establish this awesome team up, and it was fucking embarrassing.
it's like a kid made that show in his back yard with his mates. it doesn't help that Gadot looks like absolute garbage as WW.
>>71622992
I enjoyed the movie. hate me for it I dont care, but Ive not been spamming the board. Just like discussing the movie since the ultimate cut came out last week
We're getting off topic, the point of this thread is literally "How much of this is ironic"?
I assume there's a subset that do legitimately like BvS, or even consider it a great movie. But thoes who say it's a "masterpiece" or a "perfect movie" is that ironic? I just can't see that being anyones actual honest to god opinion. I mean it's pretty average right?
>>71622992
Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they're in good company.
>>71623078
What about all the love for 'Zack Snyder' and all those weird huge images about his biblical references and such, making absurdly deep inferences into misc scenes in the movie, is that a big joke or is it conspiracy-theorist-esque 'reading between the lines'?
it's not a great movie, but the few that did thoroughly enjoy it are spamming it hard, for some reason.
it might be obsessed DC fans who want their stuff to be as popular as marvel on /tv/
>>71622992
Honest, non-meme opinion: I only watched the ultimate edition or however it's called, and I liked it. It was alright. I just felt like it didn't quite achieve the Watchman-like, serious atmosphere it was going for.
My biggest complaint is the premature use of Doomsday, and how he kept reminding me of the horrible new Ninja Turtles design.
>>71623140
are you me?
>>71623039
My guess would be that they become more vocal because they more so feel a need to validate their view.
I loved Civil War, but I'm not constantly posting about how everyone here who doesn't like it is a pleb who can't comprehend true capekino, because it's already a success. I don't need to validate it.
>>71623120
I never really felt like there was any popularity-disparity between Man of Steel/Batman v Superman and the Marvel movies, they've just been around longer.
I mean both the DC movies made like 800 million dollars, as much as an Iron Man or Thor movie
>>71623102
thats the beauty of a perfect meme.
>>71623100
poes law
I geuinely like it and think it is objectively better than any marvel film
>>71623102
they are one and the same.
there is one legitimate thing with the work of art behind them when they meet but lex saying day v night just kinda ruins it
>>71622992
I was pleasantly surprised, after expecting it to be a giant mess like I thought Man of Steel was.
I rated Man of Steel at 4/10 while I'd give Bat v Supes at 7.5/10.
Never really got caught up in the contrarian teenage group-think wave.
I still get a laugh out of this prediction more than a year ago
Ok, quick question what was that devilike thing that appeared on the ship for a second?
I was drunk when I watched the movie and can't remember.
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>>71623186
I will say, the one thing I feel was pretty poor about the movie was the Martha scene.
I mean I know it's a relatively small thing to rag on, and it's considered the "easy target", but it's such a large hinge of the movie, it's the crux that repairs the relationship of Bats and Supes, but it seems like such a weird contrivance. I mean they could've written whatever script they wanted, couldn't they have found a better reason for them to work together? Or extended it a little? I mean it's a 3 hour long movie, and they come together in about 35 seconds at the very end
>>71623151
yes
>>71623151
Probably, considering /tv/ is mostly comprised of shitposting samefags.
I don't quite comprehend why I still go to this board every now and then. It's the bane of my existence.
>>71623220
Why would you be surprised? Millers TDKR was insanely popular
>>71623231
I think For You in Batman was such a minor flaw it got riffed into space, but Martha, is so legitimately bad, there's nothing that can be said about it.
was Aquagook scene cut from directors cut? i havent seen him.
I think it's by and large shitposting at this point, there were a few defenders of the faith around the original release of the movie, but I have a feeling most of the Capekino threads made these days are purely ironic and fueling the shitposting fire.
>>71623227
What?
>>71623231
could be a 10 hour movie, still would not alleviate the martha issue.
>>71623273
Wasn't there like a monster or something Lex saw?
>>71623277
Yeah in the extended edition, he was meditating infront of it and it sort of evaporated? I dunno, I guess it's the bad guy for the next movie right? "He's coming, and he's hungry", lex says that at the very end in the jail scene
>>71623276
WHY'D YOU SAY THAT
WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME
>>71622992
I enjoed it, but I also crashed my car trying to be as cool as ryan gosling in drive. So I am a little sensible for autism.
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>>71623273
wtf is this?
>>71623227
Apparently that was an image of Steppenwolf, uncle of Darkseid.
No idea who that is, but I too was curious after watching the movie so I looked it up.
It's all right, dour but all right. Not something that I immediately want to watch again. I understand that DC needs to have their universe now and whatnot but it's just sad. It would have been so much better just as a BvS movie. Also way too many dream sequences. Lots of things are wrong but at least it looks all right and is not the worst thing since asparagus. But it was a dissapointment to all of us. Such wasted potential. My inner child wanted to see BvS but instead I got a hot mess.
I suppose it doesn't really matter, the movie will fade from public memory and the shitposting will die down anyway.
Just gotta wait it out.
>>71623315
Steppenwolf one of Darkseids lieutenants
>>71623315
your mom
>>71622992
Its a meme IMO.
Its only redeeming feature are is batman scenes and some interesting stuff with led luthor earlier on.
Otherwise I think that its an objectively bad movie.
4/10 and barely worth the time it takes to sit through its bloated run time. Unless you give Synder the massive benefit of the doubt by thinking of it as some deconstructionist manifesto it is pretty friggen bad.
>>71623315
Oh, by ship I was thinking a water ship.
It's not exactly clear what that is, but since at the end Lex clearly knows something is coming, its a safe bet that's one of Darkseid's generals that was communicating with him. Most likely Steppenwolf, since we already know that's the next main villain.
Lex Luthor: [looks at a picture of angels vs demons] That should be upside down. We know better now, don't we? Devils don't come from hell beneath us. No, they come from the sky.
The Flash: Bruce! Listen to me now! It's Lois! Lois Lane! She's the key! Am I too soon? I'm too soon! You were right about him! You've always been right about him! Fear him! Find us, Bruce! You have to find us!
Lex Luthor: Boys! Mm, Bruce Wayne meets Clark Kent. Ah, I love it! I love bringing people together! How are we?
[shakes Bruce's hand]
Bruce Wayne: Lex.
Lex Luthor: Hello. Good.
[turns to Clark]
Lex Luthor: Hi, hello.
[shakes Clark's hand]
Lex Luthor: Lex. It is a pleasure... Ow! Wow, that is a good grip! You should not pick a fight with this person.
Superman: Next time they shine your light in the sky, don't go to it. The Bat is dead. Bury it. Consider this mercy.
[Superman begins to walk away]
Batman: Tell me. Do you bleed?
[Superman flies away as Batman watches on]
Batman: You will.
Why was the script writing so awful for this movie?
Why did they bother with all those scenes of the senator and importing the kryptonite and the whole go-around with Superman going to the hearing, only to blow it up at the last second and render it all pointless?
>>71623240
>Bane
>>71623380
>The Flash: Bruce! Listen to me now! It's Lois! Lois Lane! She's the key! Am I too soon? I'm too soon! You were right about him! You've always been right about him! Fear him! Find us, Bruce! You have to find us!
What's your problem here?
>>71623423
No purpose in the movie what-so-ever, doesn't help the plot, doesn't affect anything really, just DC setting up their future money-makers in advance
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>>71622992
I don't think it's perfect, but I still think it's amazing and ambitious. I also unironically think that Snyder is monstrously misunderstood. I didn't used to care much for MoS until I understood what he was doing with the imagery, and that came courtesy of BvS.
I kinopost too, but I only do it for the lulz.
>>71623462
Meh. I am fine with elements in a movie directed to things outside the main plot. It's not like the big European master pieces enslave every flame to the main plot. I found it strange though that Batman seemed to have forgotten about this (I guess?) or just believed it was a dream.
>>71622992
I love this movie, I've never been ironic about it.
>>71623485
>until I understood what he was doing with the imagery
Yeah, subtle, very subtle.
why did lex blow up that qt asian? they were supposed to be a team :(
>>71623380
>The Flash
I'm pretty sure nobody recognized him as Flash at first. He looks like a cheap Mexican wrestler
>>71623524
What's the cross behind the priest mean in that scene?
It's frightening seeing these cretins think Snyder elevated Superman with this garbage movie.
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>>71623485
I always thought the "Snyder symbolism" stuff was part of the ironic meme, I mean it's pretty obtuse stuff just placing him infront of pictures of jesus and the sun, I mean they literally compare him to a god in the dialogue CONSTANTLY, I never felt like it was particularly cerebral stuff, just basic movie imagery.
>>71623541
He was getting cucked by Hugh Jackman in Japan and was too much of a bitch to confront him
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>>71623305
I'm fine with them working with the material they had rather than coming up with some sort of deus ex machina.
Bruce and Clark both have mothers named Martha for a reason, right?
>>71623503
>Meh. I am fine with elements in a movie directed to things outside the main plot.
Even if they're directed to ONLY shill their sequel?
Stick to one movie at a time please.
>>71623561
Screenshot?. Also a crucifix iis a crucifix. So it's torment, death, rebirth, a deity suffering, responsibility to what the Father planned, y' know Jesus stuff. I know you probably watched an mega deep analysis on YT stating something slightly different but to anyone even superficially accustomed to symbolism or the bible it's quite clear what Snyder is doing. But I am taking the bait. Please indulge me.
did superman call his mom 'martha' in the comics? i'm pretty sure he did so in smallville. i mean, everyone calls their mom just 'mom', but i guess it's a bit different for him.
>>71623624
>Bruce and Clark both have mothers named Martha for a reason, right?
No, it's a coincidence that never plays a part in the comic other then being a fun fact
>>71623541
I don't understand why they wrote in a bomb at all, even in the extended edition they added all sorts of scenes where Lois investigates the bombers house, calls up morpheus and tells him to run a story because it "Might affect what superman says at the hearing." But the people who wrote those lines also knew that the hearing was never going to happen in the first place, all the scenes of Lex and the senator talking in his house, in the corridors of the senate, Superman talking with his mother about whether or not to go to the hearing at all.
Then it just blows up before anyone can even say anything, invalidating the entire first half of the movie. What was the point of it all?
>>71623677
Well I mean, yeah, you can tell all of that in a single glance. They talk about it a lot in the script, about how him coming to earth changes things, straight up calling him a God, it just doesn't seem that deep to me.
>>71623677
>On another level, it's a visual metaphor for what it is to be Superman - just a regular guy trying to be a hero
>Superman
>a regular guy
That's Spiderman.
>>71623642
>I know you probably watched an mega deep analysis on YT
Nope, totally my own take on it. It's symbolic of the burden Clark is laying on the priest by turning to him for advice and of the priest accepting that burden. It's there to tell the viewer that Clark's aware of what he's doing and what he's asking of this simple priest.
Notice how it's only after Clark confesses his secret and the priest visibly gulps that we start seeing Clark framed with the stained glass depiction of the Christ. It's because at that moment, the priest starts seeing him as something more than human.
Clark begins and ends the conversation framed against a largely blank, white background, which indicates that by unburdening himself to the priest and confessing not only his origins, but also his fears and doubts, the priest has overcome his initial reaction to Clark's revelation and has come to see him as nothing more than a troubled man seeking counsel.
I don't get why people pretend this isn't leaps and bounds better than Civil War.
When the only good things you can say are two guest appearances that "stole the show" the movie doesn't sound that great.
And when all that's said negatively is a woman's name, it sounds like you're finding things to dislike because it's:
1) A Snyder flick
2)A sequel to Man of Steel
>>71623677
>Superman - just a regular guy trying to be a hero
Ignoring this, which is just wrong.
Whats the point of all the "metaphors" when every second line od dialogue about Superman has people calling him a God.
What's the point when you are beating people over the head with it in every scene?
>>71623709
Superman's just a Kansas farmboy that happens to have the powers of a demigod. It's not the powers that make him what he is. It never has been,
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>>71623642
For gods sake, I made this thread to be an escape from ironic shitposting of the meme, take yourselves to any of the other 100 million Batman v Superman "Capekino omfg based snyder is a genius" threads.
>>71623812
It's the exact opposite, he was born Superman then became Clark Kent.
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>>71623677
Just because you've managed to extend out a very simple piece of imagery by writing multiple sentences explaining every last little detail of it, doesn't make it any more complex.
A guy standing infront of a cross is jesus symbolism, yes, it doesn't suddenly elevate a movie into a picturesque masterpiece deeper than a symphony.
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>>71623677
You DO realize they're shitposting right?
>>71623921
Man, at this point I don't know anymore
>>71623788
What's "super" about his mind? Anything? What's "super" about his personality or psychology? That's what I'm talking about here.
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>>71623677
It's a fucking 2016 action flick. Is this all a meme? Is any of this real? Are we all just ironically shitposting into each others mouths in an endless circle?
>>71623860
As a point of fact, he was born Kal-El, was adopted as Clark Kent, and chose to become Superman. Of those three identities, the most fundamental is Clark.
>>71623167
>poes
Fok yulle naaiers
>>71623831
Where in my post did I say any of that? I just said it's better than Civil War.
That and the irrefutable fact that whenever someone asks why they dislike BvS, there's never anything legitimately valid. Weak arguments like Martha, which while incredibly cheesy, still had at least some meaning in the context of the movie.
The pacing is 100% fixed, and nearly every hole people claimed existed are now filled in with the Ultimate cut.
So, instead of being the shitposter you accuse others of being, how about try forcing out an opinion or two that at least has substance.
Instead of well memeing all over the place like some tryhard faggot
>>71623966
he is super stupid and super naive as well as super autistic
>>71622992
This movie wouldbe been a lot better with no lex, no wonder woman, no cgi rock monster, and no dc extended universe shit.
just give me batman and superman getting mad at each other and fighting multiple times throughout a movie. fuck. what a disappointment this movie was and i waited for the extended cut
>>71624014
But you're the one who hasn't brang anything to the table. If you look through this thread there's literally tens of massive plotholes and problems with this movie, but all you've done is call me a faggot and say it's "100% fixed". Are YOU shitposting? Do you even believe the things you're saying? Are you just trying to get a rise out of people?
Someone help, I don't even know what's a meme and what isn't anymore.
>>71622992
fuck off retard
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>>71624088
Is this the final form of the Batman v Superman meme?
I enjoyed it. I also enjoy Ozu, Bergman, Bay to name few.
To me this was a better take on superheroes than anything Marvel has done of recently. Ang Lee's Hulk is one I like from Marvel.
>>71623866
It ain't just me, anon, and it ain't just meme. I'm telling you flat-out that that's what the imagery is there to sell. It's the first time it's had anything more than just the most superficial of uses in regards to this character.
Whether or not you think that's a brilliant use for it is another matter entirely, but I happen to think that it is. Hell, Lex even calls out by name three other gods that he's shown "being" during these two films. It isn't all just "muh Jesus."
Me personally, I like to picture Jesus as a mischievous badger.
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poor writing
>>71624126
>it ain't just meme
> It's the first time it's had anything more than just the most superficial of uses
>I like to picture Jesus as a mischievous badger.
What even is irony any more, is Batman v Superman finally becoming an ascended meme, like Bane?
>mfw I started the capekino meme and spammed about how much Ultimate Cut is better until everyone believes
Snyder should fucking pay me
>>71624126
>It ain't just me starts playing
>>71624153
It's Poe's Law. Look closely and you'll be able to spot the difference. The more overblown and hyperbolic the praise, the less likely it is to be sincere.
I sincerely love these movies and appreciate what Snyder, his team, and WB seem to be attempting with the DCEU.
>>71624182
You're responsible for destroying /tv/?
>>71623647
That's the point of my argument. They didn't just make something up, they used existing information without directly copying the comic books.
>>71624223
Regardless of where the name came from, they couldn't have written a better reason for bats and supes to work together than that? That's seriously they best they could come up with? They put hundreds of millions of dollars into this movie. Think about that.
>>71623781
This is what I said tho in essence. It's not deep at all.
>>71624269
It's not deep but its well used visual storytelling. Note the important part is that the priest sees Clark as symbol and reduces him from a being to a painting
>>71624265
It humanizes Supes in a way that Batman can understand. If he had just said "save my mother!" It would have had the same effect, but they used her name to make it more dramatic.
It is convenient that Clark suddenly refers to his mother as 'Martha'. He should've said 'mother' and Lois runs in to yell about 'He is talking about Martha' and then Batman gets triggered (trauma triggers are real)
>>71624308
Yes, that much is obvious, but you realise you're still rationalising a poor bit of scriptwork, it didn't have to go like that, Martha didn't even have to be involved.
This is a movie, they had months to write whatever script they fancied. They could've chosen any number of ways to make them work together, and that's what they went with.
SAVE.... MARTHA...
Why did you say that.. WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?
*Lois spontaneously turns up*
IT'S HIS MOTHERS NAME
>>71624308
You're trying to work it into a good-sounding scene without realizing that the scenario itself is what's flawed, its the base concept that's broken, not what he says or what the audience interprets from it.
>>71624269
In essence, yes, but the important distinction there is that it's not telling the audience that he's a god. He isn't. That's sort of the point of him.
It's there to tell us when the people in his world are thinking of him as a god. That's a subtle but important distinction. Superman's not a god. He's a hero.
>>71624407
Jesus, you're really reaching.
>>71624407
The big thing in the film that drives this point you are trying to make (helping you out) how the monument of Superman refers to Superman as 'him' under his own symbol (the Kryptonian 'S') and not Jesus, not Atlas (Atlas gets actually destroyed by Doomsday)
He is a real human bean and a hero and Zack Snyder loves him from the bottom of his heart
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>>71624481
I'm sorry if simple narrative like this goes over your head. It is not hard to grasp.
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>>71624354
>and Lois runs in to yell about 'He is talking about Martha'
Stop, Jar Jar Lane's already embarrassing enough
Given the preferential treatment BvS got from mods in regards to a paid advert masquerading as a sticky and the responses to criticism of the movie which were literally people typing 'pay to see the movie, do it now' I'm inclined to believe that a lot of the attempts to get BvS to be viewed as high quality film making are poorly conceived viral marketing.
Just look at the promo for suicide squad.
As for the content of those posts, if they are genuine, repeatedly spamming sophomoric symbolism as some signifier of a films quality must either be shitposting or teenagers finding themselves through movies who have genuinely never encountered this sort of this before.
>>71623473
Am i the only one who keked at this queer faggot?
What is this costume? Is flash gonna be this ugly?
>>71624646
Except a running theme from MoS to BVS:UC is how Earth is ignorant in reducing Superman just to a symbol of their beliefs. It's not until he dies second time he is given honor as Superman.
>>71624704
Yeah and supposedly he is a Quip Machine
>>71624646
So metanarrative social commentary on how the hero dies for "sins" of his "fans" is sophomoric?
What counts as sophisticated to you?
>>71624704
Nah, I have a feeling that what we're seeing is part of the tech that let him time travel in the first place.
>>71624769
He need a machine?
>>71623921
no u
0 layers of irony here
you should try it sometime
>>71624308
It's just sad man, that the whole Martha scene and the idea of Batman humanizing Supes was so hard for the common audience to grasp. They should have predicted this and had voice clips from earlier in the movie play over the crime alley juxtaposition... "Maybe he's just a man, trying to do the right thing."
It would have made it clearer and honestly might have made the scene more palatable for plebs.
>>71624798
I don't know that for sure, but it's the safe bet. You want to keep the door on time travel shut. Hard.
If I had to guess, it's going to all be k-tech in origin, up to and including the dream tech Zod used in MoS. If they're smart, they'll only allow time travel insofar as they can punch a wormhole through to the past and communicate through it telepathically. Some rare, hard-to-come-by energy source would be a good idea, too to limit how often they can use it.
>>71624903
>communicate through it telepathically
Flash in BVS communicates in a physical level, not just telepathically. There are papers flying when he leaves.
>>71624918
A pressure differential created by a wormhole could cause the wind stirring those papers around. I'm near positive that we're going to eventually find out that the Flash wasn't physically present, just the pinhole through which he established contact.
>>71622992
What did he mean by this?
>>71624978
That people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, maybe?
>>71624978
It's a self-deprecation. Note how Spidey rants about reboots and getting it right.
It's also Deadpool comic. Known for self-deprecation for a long time now
>>71624978
That you should go to >>>/co/
>>71623078
>I assume there's a subset that do legitimately
Yeah, about 27%
The cinematography is miles better than Marvel movies (besides the color palette and very odd use of shakey cam), but that's such a low fucking hurdle it should be a given it'd clear it and I actually like Marvel.
Skyfall for whatever issues you have with it is legitimately a great looking movie. BvS CAN look great but mostly looks mundane when compared.
Most of the people talking about the movie like it's some 200/10 masterpiece are memers mixed in with a minority of autists who genuinely believe it's this great movie.
>>71626299
The fact we find narratives and meaning in the story doesn't mean we think it's great. You people are so fucking insecure that you think bit of praise and saying it is a good well done film = GOAT GOAT GOAT-.
More annoying than Evans spammers from /co/mblr
I sincerely enjoy it. I haven't even watched the Ultimate Edition yet. And I really believe people have been way too harsh on it.
But that doesn't mean it's a masterpiece. It's okay, maybe even good. But nothing more than a 7/10.
>>71626413
That's about where I rate it, too.
Tbqh I thought the first half of the movie was good, but then you can tell where WB told Snyder to put in bullshit like WW, and those JLA tie ins. Snyder's casting has been good but the JLA, Luthor, and WW casting was shit making me think WB put their new hands in it.
I blame WB for fucking this film up
>>71624103
did you really just take the fucking time to reply to everyone
>>71622992
1st part is meh
2nd part is great
3rd is insultingly bad
It made me really anticipate the following batman movies but made me more than cautious about justice league. If they're going the same way for justice league they did for the luthor/zod/doomsday thing I'm out.
Suicide squad is gonna be shit btw.
>>71626706
Yeah it took almost a full 35 seconds.
>>71623039
>a low % of tv posters
They're not /tv/ posters
they're from twitter, redit, /v/ and facebook
>>71624978
That this page could get past quality check because no one would read it
I thought it was "alright" in the same way I used to think The Sphere was. Something you had to slog through and tolerate so you could get to some bits you thought were alright. Mostly because as a atheist leftist, it was refreshing and jarring seeing a film breathing its director's half christian half randian ethos (also the things that made critics go "it's so dark, facist and filled with testosterone omg", something about it wasn't just pixar/marvel tier corporate liberal sensibility that is forgotten in a week).
ps: I hate the kino posters, the "it's symbolism" spammers (and the others who make it look autistic to enjoy anything about the movie) who don't let any discussion of its merits and flaws breathe and just spam dumb shit you'd assume was ironic
(seriously, who would say "it's kino" other than ironically like a little brother repeating the same tired joke until he thought it was a non-ironic thing?).
i unironically enjoyed it (only saw the UC)
a flawed but enjoyable and interesting movie
>>71622992
I just can't get past Ben Affleck and Jesse Eisenberg's over-acting. They're definitely the weakest link in it.
>>71624014
>nearly every hole people claimed existed are now filled in with the Ultimate cut.
Wow, did they actually remove every apparitions of eisenberg?
>>71622992
the guy that makes these threads is secretly an extremely ass-blasted DC fanboy. Take note: I said fanboy, not fan.
Fanboy faggots like this sit around all day obsessing over "muh <hero>" like they're the only person on the planet that understands the characters and has a say, no a God-given right, to dictate the direction they're taken in by the people who actually do this shit for a living. It lets them cower inside the delusions of all the things they *could* do if given "the chance." With fanboy faggots it's always about those "chances," because by deluding themselves into believing these chances originate from anywhere besides them getting off their fat, complacent asses and applying themselves, it's not their fault that they're just gutless losers spouting bile and vitriol behind the veil of anonymity a site like this provides for them.
This guy's deep in the closet with his fanboy faggotry, because this just goes so far beyond what a person who just wasn't a fan of the IPs could muster. If I were solely a Marvel fan, I doubt I could muster much beyond casual indifference for DC's properties. No, this undiscovered country of asspain can only come from someone who feels deeply betrayed, and is such an entitled little fuck about it that this whole board must tolerate daily infusions of his impotent, puerile rage.
What is a quip machine?
Google didn't helped me
>>71623648
>Then it just blows up before anyone can even say anything, invalidating the entire first half of the movie. What was the point of it all?
It shows there is going to be no escape for him from humanities weakness. It's a bit like blowback from military adventures - you take over a country, or liberate it and there's still always going to be bombs. It tells him he's making things worse...
>>71623231
The Martha scene is less of a contrivance than the fact that they're fighting at all.
Batman has motivation - he sees Superman as a threat that must be removed - but Supes does not. He tries to explain the situation for one single second and then he's done trying to reason with him. I feel like Superman should be taking the high road here, blocking blows and constantly trying to tell Bruce that they need to work together. Instead he just gives up and starts immediately beating the shit out of him.
But I guess that's in character with the DCU Superman. He's a shithead and an instigator who causes destruction and violence everywhere and doesn't really seem to care. A few sad scenes with stilted dialogue about responsibility with his mom can't make up for how he behaves in every situation we see onscreen.
Also why was he so concerned with Batman in the first place? I get that he's a reporter and I assume that means he's curious and on the hunt for a big story, but doesn't he have bigger fish to fry? He's literally on the news for a huge political event he fucked up by being a careless prick, but all he wants is to follow the Batman... Who is, like him, doing vigilante work with no concern for the consequences. So why is he so intent to stop him? Why show up in the Superman suit and threaten him?
Superman's motivations were a mystery to me the whole movie, outside of "durr save lois". He had no reason to do half of the things he did, and any chance he had to become relatable or likable was ruined by his shitty attitude or nonsensical actions.
But I guess that's the person you turn out to be when your father tells you that you should have let a bus full of children die.
its mostly marketing.
>>71627870
the problem, of course, with any implication that he can make things worse, is hes superman.
Hes got the power to just pay more attention and accomplish more.
>>71623380
>Pa Kent: I still hear them neighing in my sleep.
>>71628391
The extended cut kinda established supes was all angry about batman existing because the people being branded were being killed in prison.
of course man of murder doesn't really have any business being angry about that. But hey, snyder is nothing if not inconsistent.
>>71628526
Yeah forced to kill a fucking kryptonian hell bent on making Earth another breeding facility factory is so similar to case where vigilante is branding people and this branding gets 'em killed
whatever
Am I literally the only one that doesn't like Batfleck?
All I see is cringey line delivery and nothing Batman-like in him.
>>71628556
They're both violent vigilantes who kill people when they see it as necessary.
