I literally fucking cried during the death of superman and his funeral procession.
How did snyder do it? How did he make a capeshit film so powerful?
>>71620613
>that batman intro
I never knew I wanted a batman film filmed like a horror movie until this film.
Bravo, Snyder. Truly Hollywood's most underappreciated action director.
Why the fuck wasn't the ultimate cut the one played in cinemas? It literally patched every hole in the theatrical.
This is the first time I was up and cheering with the crowd. When aquaman showed up the whole theater was just in a frenzy of cheers and hooting and hollering. Marvel really should take notes.
>the christ symbolism
>the lex luthor theme is the superman theme but notes reversed each bar
truly, the patrician superhero film we deserved. Unsurprising that the plebs hated it.
>>71620716
Every movie is like that now, so you buy the DVD, from prometheus to suckerpunch.
Good God I can't ignore these posts anymore, please stop.
>>71620613
>Funeral procession
>Focuses of two characters he just met
>Rises from his grave three days later
Bravo Snyder. Much sad.
>>71620728
It's right up there with God is not Dead, finally a movie that reflects my beliefs. Makes up for that hedonistic 300 movie :(
>>71620716
>"Martha"
>>71620716
Apparently some scenes like the train death, burning of bodies and warehouse fight scene were a bloody enough to push it from PG-13 to R.
That doesn't explain why they took out Clark investigating Batman or Superman saving that woman after the senate explosion.
>>71620716
Personally think the studio demanded a maximum runtime and did their own cut to match that and stuck with it.
>>71620770
They also took out all the information on who the black lady was and how she was forced into lying by lex luthor.
This was the biggest gap in the theatrical.
The directors cut was even better than MoS IMO, and that's really saying something
>>71620804
That MoS wasn't much to compare to?
ITT: plebs
>I literally can't tell which posts are satire and which posts are honest anymore
What a strange feeling.
>>71620857
embrace the kino
>>71620857
that's a side effect of the reddit overlapse.
>>71620900
I wish Civil War had it's cgi that good, I would have enjoyed it a lot more.
>>71620857
I know right, pic related has to be one of the most godawful laughable things I've ever seen..
>>71620900
>That shit CGI
>>71620857
>implying it was EVER honest :3
>>71620704
>Truly Hollywood's most underappreciated action director.
I unironically think this. Dude is seriously talented when it comes to visuals. He's just different from other action directors where he tries to add substance to his movies, which casuals want none of. They just want punchy punchy smashy smashy for an hour and a half with some jokes. Snyder is the hero we deserve.
>tfw DC's strongest ''''''''''''''hero'''''''''''''''''' literally dies from a stab to the chest
and people think Superman could defeat Goku, top keks all round
>>71620723
>marvel should take notes
>on movies
>from bvs
>>71621017
in b4 lasers
>>71620716
>>71620786
I'm just going to believe that Snyder purposefully butchered the movie because WB wouldn't let him show the real cut just so he could say I told you so.
Why do all the superman shots have such grandeur?
christ this movie sucked
![3096611-2203100027-60936[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/9tvYCK3.jpg "3096611-2203100027-60936[1].jpg")
>>71621051
That's so fucking silver agey. I love it.
>>71620613
the scene where Batman is beating the shit out of him at the end of theyre fight, and Lois runs over to him as he sobbing his mums name and Lois has to speak for him, and essentially says 'hes crying for his mummy'.. really humanized him and made his death feel at first possible, and then that much more savage when i happnens
>>71620716
It didnt patch the shitty script
>>71621051
Realistically, he would have to be exerting tons and tons of force on the ground below him to pull that thing. Anyone who graduated high school should know this. Pathetic bullshit for a movie trying to take itself seriously.
>>71621151
the ground can take it
>>71621151
this you had no problem with though?
its the ground force exercion when the superman was pulling the ship through the ice that ruined your immersion?
>Synder actually did the impossible and made Superman a decent character
>>71620613
I wasn't sure if /tv/ was joking or not.
Because I actually think most of the Marvel output is genuinely bad, and while Man Of Steel was awful, I'm not complete against Snyder.
So I put on the Extended Cut with a bit of optimism.
Thanks a lot, you fucking cunts. Three hours of my life pissed away on possibly the worst movie I will see this year. Jesus christ, I didn't know a major studio could release something this utterly horrendous.
I'm gonna stop short of blaming Snyder entirely though, because I'm sure Goyer is probably more than 50% responsible for this mess.
I know it's an unpopular opinion around here but BvS might be the best movie of the year, way better than Shitvil War
BvS had more than just quips, Snyder really humanises Superman is a way that most movies don't.
Are you guys excited for Justice League like I am? Call me a DC fanboy but it might just be a better movie than Suicide Squad.
>>71621196
No I hate the full movie and everything Zack Snyder makes.
He's the jock who takes a photography class to get out of doing real work and nothing more.
>>71621201
>single shot
Literally kino.
>>71620716
It did?
The theatrical must have been nigh on incomprehensible.
>>71621236
Pretty much.
Anyone got the rocket rescue webm?
>>71621201
>joker and harley quinn makeup on all the people
What does this mean?
>>71621223
does it upset you when the hulks pants are able to grow with him when transforms in marvel movies?
>>71621151
They explained it before. His strength's the same logic behind his flying, by vibrating the molecules around him or some shit.
>>71621302
it's a Day of the Dead festival.
>>71621302
skeletons arent clowns
>>71621359
>day of the dead was Zack Snyders first flim
What could it mean?
>>71621384
but they are inside you.
>>71621304
So he vibrates thousands of tons of mass away? Don't be fucking ridiculous. This scene only exists because some fucker (Goyer) thought "ooh wouldn't this be neat" and some idiot (Snyder) said "yes"
>>71621395
dont spook me
>>71621151
You're criticising the physics of a film were the super character can wear a pair of glasses to remain anonymous in the internet age.
>>71620745
That's literally just two shitty movies though. You don'tM A R V E Lhaving to release longer cuts of their movies.
>>71621206
The script is fucking awful. It's literally Transformers level of terrible. People on here act like all the bad dialogue, cheesy scenes, lame characters, the worst fucking editing I've ever seen (yeah, in the unlimited edition too), and a mountain of plot holes, don't matter because Snyder tried to add biblical symbolism ('cause that's such a fucking original idea).
>>71621450
christ calm down. People like the film, deal with it.
>>71621479
christ calm down. People don't like the film, deal with it.
>>71621430
It's totally different. It's not just physics, it's physicality. There's not a decision made on this movie that wasn't in poor taste.
>>71621423
>mad that they put in a classic Silver Age Superman moment in the movie just because it doesn't obey the laws of physics
Literally autism.
>>71621440
>That's literally just two shitty movies though. You don't see M A R V E L having to release longer cuts of their movies.
/Thread
>>71621504
thats quite a funny comment because its obvious youre very angry about this.
>>71621541
HaHa, well played, friendo, but me thinks it is you who is the mad one!
>>71620613
He didn't, the funeral and death had 0 impact, as soon as the camera showed the coffin I knew the scene would end with some sudden movement/event that imples he's alive in some capacity.
>>71620900
why didn't the sun regen his hairline?
>>71620766
Literally nothing wrong with this scene.
>>71620613
>I literally fucking cried
>How did snyder do it?
>How did he make capeshit so powerful?
People thinking this isn't b8
>>71621593
>tfw Justice League will just have his gravesite vibrating for 2/3 of the movie until he comes out at the end to fight the band steppenwolf
>>71621609
same reason it didn't burn his suit.he wasn't nuked at all, just turned into a zombie and back for no reason
>>71621151
>Realistically, he would have to be exerting tons and tons of force on the ground below him to pull that thing.
Except you're talking about a man that can fly. Meaning that the force he needs could actually be counteracted by the force he uses to fly.
Imagine you could fly and you want to pull something heavy forward. Instead of just relying on pure force you'd try to fly it upward somewhat to counteract the downward force.
>martha
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAA
Wonder Woman should have killed Doomsday.
Superman's death was stupid and unnecessary.
>>71621570
We're dealing with a serious memester here.
>>71621667
Yeah, I found that pretty awkward.
>ONLY SUPERMAN CAN DO THIS HE'S THE ONLY SUPERPOWERED HERO
>Wonder Woman standing there going toe to toe with Doomsday
>COME ON SUPERMAN YOU CAN DO THIS
>>71621655
This. On every BvS and MoS threads I can notice how plebs try to bring in unwanted stuff and still get BTFO'd by answers within the movie. I know there are few plot holes in the movies but that's bearable considering the themes played out.
>>71621667
she had him lasso-ed with her magic rope I think. All the hits she did to him were only at foot level
>>71621718
>>71620613
Their mothers share a 1st name, what did marvel mean by this?
>>71621667
True
Why didnt he just throw the spear as well? He's got super strength, wouldve thrown it pretty hard.
This movie has definitively ruined Superman for the DCEU. Now that he has died and will come back there's really no more dramatic tension whenever he shows up anywhere. He will literally be Doctor Manhattan. If he can't be killed anymore then he has no threats and there is no reason for even a Justice League when he can basically do everything himself.
>>71621764
>Marvel taking any shots when Ghostrider 2 exists
I'm dyin' lads
>>71621725
She didn't have to hold him with the lasso.
She was able to cut Doomsday's hand off no problem. She was the only one who was able to hurt Doomsday at all.
>>71621803
That's fox, not the mcu cuh
>>71621450
No, it's much worse than any Transformers film.
It's one of the most perplexing mainstream films ever released. It's amazing to think someone ticked the box and let them start filming on this.
Snyder isn't a bad director. I can't imagine anyone being able to make this train wreck work.
>>71621667
Good grief you people are willfully acting stupid or just legit left behind from the train.
I can't even bother to post the pasta as to why this complaint is stupid.
The naysayer shitposting against this film includes stupidity that goes to ridiculous lengths acting ignorant of what we've seen
>>71621822
thats splitting hairs really, and spiderman making jabs about reboots until its right is hilarious
>>71621778
Warner's is just trying to get through this shit as quickly as possible for the inevitable reboot.
Zod and Man Of Steel were a Part 2, and this should have been Death Of Superman.
It's like they realized after MOS they'd fucked up, and now they just want to wrap the DCEU up really quick and start again.
>>71621844
Snyder really wanted Superman to die. Fuck logic.
Wonder Woman should have killed the monster with the spear.
>>71621778
>Can't be killed.
Except he dies twice in BvS, he can most certainly be killed.
And death has no copyright on central conflict.
>>71621898
Plus, if you have Wonder Woman save Superman, you give an even more legit (and less edgy) reason for there being a need for a Justice League, because it shows that they all need each other. It would've also subverted audience expectations with it being Doomsday and all. Honestly would've been a much better ending, imo, that would have setup a lighter tone going into Justice League.
>>71621937
His deaths are meaningless because of how temporary and transparently used for dramatic effect they are.
>>71620613
Spoiler that shit, faglord.
>>71621898
Neither Clark or Batman know anything about Diane/WW until they see her trading blows here and there with Doomsday. Who knows if she could drive it through him at this point?
And guess WHO is keeping Doomsday LOCKED DOWN so Superman can drive a spear through him? Oh my, ain't that Diana's rope? He'd be jumping around otherwise (which we are shown EARLIER, he really likes to JUMP AND MOVE)
And besides, the spear is with Clark and there's the Doomsday and there really is no time to plan this thing in heat of the moment.
>>71621961
Both of his deaths had meaning. The first one was a 'smaller' in its narrative, changing Superman (essentially a rebirth of sort) and the second one changed the entire world.
Again, death has no copyright on central conflict.
>Using the same henchman fight choreographer as the batman movies
wew
>>71622004
What a shitty fight scene, guy kicks out his leg and then quickly slides it back to do his flip, doesn't flow properly with batman's swing motion.
other guy stumbles over him
then that other douche just drops to his knee
>>71621593
I had seen Dark Knight Returns so I know the one who dies is going to rise again. Even on second viewing it still didn't take the emotion out of it. It was the best capeshit ending of all time.
>>71621774
He loses his super strength while near the spear though.
>>71622055
Yeah the warehouse is better choreographed, single take fight scenes ain't easy.
>>71621816
Without kryptonite doomsday just regenerates.
>>71621593
That doesn't render his death meaningless. Both times it has a meaning for the story and the narrative.
>I know the ending, the journey doesn't matter
"no"
>>71621816
>She was able to cut Doomsday's hand off no problem. She was the only one who was able to hurt Doomsday at all.
lol and then Doomsday groves his fucking hand back like its nothing
>>71621613
it is agood scene, but could be longer
>>71622003
There was no need for WW to hold Doomsday with the rope.
WW cut Doomsday's hand off no problem, without anyone keeping him from jumping around.
>>71620613
Why did he die? I mean he's the fucking Superman, hang him on a clothesline rope together with your wet laundry and let him soak up some sunlight.
>>71622181
>There was no need for WW to hold Doomsday with the rope.
and you know this how?
>Cut off the hand.
That grew back.
And the spear was once again with Clark and not with WW, and what Clark knew and saw was Doomsday wrecking shit. He did the right call.
If this leap of faith in heat of the moment is too much for you, you must be unable to enjoy a lot of stuff.
>>71622236
kek I wonder if any comic has done that
>>71620804
They've become my two of my favorite comics films, the differences in how I'd rate them really just too close to call. I honestly feel like these are legitimate love letters to the fans of the source material.
>>71622260
How did Doomsday's hand grow back? No logical reason.
Snyder wanted it to grow back so it grew back.
Why didn't Zod's snapped neck fix itself if he had such regenerative powers? Because Doomsday certainly didn't get the power to regenerate limbs from Lex Luthor's DNA.
>>71621035
I think he just walked away from the process and let them cut their own throats along with the film. Maybe they'll learn to leave him the fuck alone now.
>>71620716
Are you honestly trying to tell me the only reason this movie was so hated was because plotholes and not because the characters are unlikable and have zero chemistry amongst each other?
A movie can have plotholes and still be enjoyable, but the rest is more difficult to remedy. The Holy Trinity feels so soulless which is pretty bad considering this is what they are trying to center DC movie universe on.
>>71622454
>No logical reason.
It's logical within the film, Doomsday regenerates itself, this is established visually and through exposition to the viewer.
and wasn't Superman established to have better powers on Earth because he had been in Earth's sun exposition longer? Zod had some issues to even breath at first
>>71622433
BVS:UC really shows that Snyder loves Superman. Everyone calling these dark, edgy, grimdark are reading these all wrong
>>71621091
Why should I care if some super strong alien dies? Good riddance super dick.
>>71622538
Probably Luthor's DNA made Dooms acclimated to EarthYep its stupid but what can we do
>>71621423
No, he's primarily "pulling" by "flying grounded," so to speak. It's the same principle that allows him to remain unmoved by force sufficient to move his own mass a lot of the time, like when the Batmobile crashes against him like he's rooted into the ground like a tree. When he's braced and expecting it, it takes something operating on Zod or Doomsday's level to knock him around.
>>71622433
these movies are very comic book accurate
donnerman is straight apocrypha, which is fine, but it's not a be all and end all, yet somehow people judge the 'objective quality' of these movies on how close they are to that
i remember i thought mos was solid, but in retrospect it moreso than bvs reminds of my favorite kind of very loose sci fi fantasy surrealism, like say aeon flux, but not overt
Doomsday has been regenerating himself long before B v. S
>>71622538
It makes no sense for him to regenerate. Where did he get that power from?
How does a Cave Troll get created from mixing two human looking guys? The result of that should have been a guy with Zod's powers and Lex's hair. Doomsday's creation makes no sense at all.
>>71622646
how does the hulk get his powers?
how does holding a hammer give thor his powers?
how does a movie not explicitly explaining something that obviously has no basis in reality become a flaw?
>>71621778
they're gonna make him go evil and the JUSTice league will have to stop him after he kills joker for making him kill lois
>you were right about him bruce, you always were
>where is lois
>she is the key to all of this
>shit I'm too early
>how do I into speedforce
how does an empty room grant any wish its habitants have?
how does a spaceship materialize its inhabitants' subconscious?
how does a guy reanimate a body made of a bunch of different dead bodies?
anyone got any more?
>the people who criticise Batman v Superman went to watch this 3 times with a serious face
LMAO
>>71621778
the movie audience got a hint of return, not the characters of the universe
there can very well still be dramatic tension in that
you're adding a bunch of subtext
>>71622773
>consolewars
fuck off
>>71622773
>there are no people in the world who think both were utter trash
How mad are you DCucks that you have to attack everyone that doesnt like your shitfest
>>71622796
>>71622814
just wanted some (You)'s 2bh. thanks.
>>71621051
ROSENROT OH ROSENROT
>>71620613
Extended version was better, but lets be honest here, the film isn't good. I don't know if anyone can make a good movie with both superman and batman in it.
>>71621778
Putting Superman with other superheroes never made any sense since he could do whatever the fuck he wants as long as no kryptonite is involved.
Why so they even need a Justice League when most of DC heroes are so overpowered they can handle shit on their own.
>>71621937
He's not gonna keep dying after this. It's just one more Jesus metaphor and then he'll be invincible.
>>71622773
I'm not a Marvel fan, but I enjoyed their good films (Ant-Man, Iron Man 1, TWS).
Civil War was shit. Literally nonsense plot, quips all over the place except a few scenes that were supposed to be "dramatic" except they weren't because there's nothing at stake in these films.
You just KNOW all those characters will be back in the sequel.
Nobody expected Superman's death, which is mean to symbolize the resurrection of Jesus and THAT will be the ultimate Superman that will lead the Justice League.
But plebs can't understand movies too complex, this is why Marvel exists.
>>71622820
have another, friend
>>71622707
I don't give a fuck about Thor or the Hulk.
DC fanatics keep saying DC is better than Marvel at every opportunity they get and yet here you are basically saying Marvel doesn't care about logic or realism so that makes it OK for DC to not care as well.
No it doesn't. Everyone on DC's side from Kevin Tsujihara to the DC fanatics keep saying how "grounded" and "realistic" their movies are but when someone points out that it's a lie the only defence DC fanatics have is "look at Marvel and how unrealistic their movies are".
>>71622820
Hope they helped.
>>71622621
Yes, I totally agree.
There's a lot of true sci-fi/fantasy themes within these movies that I honestly believe we'll see getting expanded on even further as the DCEU progress. Here's the progression I believe we're witnessing:
The "First Contact" scenario introduced in MoS leads mankind to shift their perspective on reality to make room for a Superman. In BvS, we see Clark really start to become a focal point of the hopes and beliefs of mankind, while largely remaining something of a cypher in the public consciousness. Some people look and see a god/messiah, some people look and see a threat, still others(Lex) see a resource to be exploited. Clark, heeding the words of both his father as well as Bruce, not only chooses his world, but also forces it to make sense; and the world he's choosen is a world that has room for larger-than-life heroes.
What do those shifting perceptions on reality and all that focused,collective belief mean in terms of the world he's ushered in? A rebirth of magic. An "Age of Heroes," where the brights are much brighter, but the darks are also much darker. To borrow a line from Stephen King's
"The Stand:"
“Dark magic,” he said softly. “A universe of marvels where water flows uphill and trolls live in the deepest woods and dragons live under the mountains. Bright wonders, white magic. ‘Lazarus, come forth.’ Water into wine. And… and just maybe… the casting out of devils.”
Heroes. gods, and monsters.
>>71623038
>Heroes. gods, and monsters.
Please stop with the godawful taglines at the end of your posts, it makes you sound like a pretentious faggot.
Do you accept Henry as definitive Superman?
To me he seems like Superboy grown up (which is fine)Brandon Routh is Superboy-Prime
>>71622646
Part of how Doomsday is presented is as a Kryptonian monstrosity that goes beyond their own innate ability to metabolize our sun's energy and is instead capable of absorbing energy in a myriad of forms, up to and including kinetic energy. He absorbs energy, hits a "critical threshold," so to speak, and then begins to further mutate into a more powerful form, blowing off the excess buildup in one of his "electrosplosions."
I have zero problem buying into him using a portion of that absorbed energy to regenerate himself and adapt. Adaptation and regeneration have always been part of his power set, and as presented here, are only slightly tweaked from how they're presented in the comics.
I just hope that when the military's doing their cleanup, they have sense enough to leave that damn spear in his chest.
>>71622956
Nobody expected Superman's death?
Snyder made him into Space Jesus.
>>71623161
I unironically think he's the best Superman ever.
But that's probably because Reeves' films were garbage so I can't fully appreciate his performance as Superman.
Watched it yesterday, this movie is awesome.
Marvel movies are really bland compared to this.
>>71621051
Christ that's a horrible shot, clearly designed to look cool to teenage boys. Lighting seems completely off and the aurora borealis look gaudy.
>>71623201
>But that's probably because Reeves' films were garbage
You're garbage.
>>71623161
I do. I think he's perfect for the role. They've given him a pretty heavy burden, too. So far, he's been a very self-conscious Clark Kent facing the world without much in the way of a public persona. I think we're going to see that changing on subsequent appearances.
I felt like that was as big a part of the senate bombing as any of the other fallout - it cut short his first real attempt at trying on a more public voice. He's going to need it to help dispel that godly aura that hovers around him and make him a more accessible figure to the people of Earth.
He didn't. Only man children like this movie.
The opening Batman scene was well done and the warehouse fight was good.
Other than that the movie was either barely average or below it. A cynical superhero cash in that treated its audience as if it was stupid enough to accept its inconsistencies and idiotic moments.
But evidentely they were right.
>>71621201
Are their actually people that unironically think that superman and cavil are ""good"" characters?
I felt almost guilty when I watched BvS. K feel like cavil is wasting his career getting shat on by Synder. He's like a fucking card board box utterly devoid of charisma in it.
>>71623542
yes, me. I thought he was irrelevant on my first watch of this film but now I think differently
>>71620613
I cried during the opening and during the death of Superman
>>71621639
DUDE SPIDERTWINK LMAO
>>71621667
Superman would never give the spear to anyone else. It's part of his character. He would rather take the risk himself over anyone else
It has come up in a few JLA stories where superman was mentioned as not being a team player
>>71621201
That smile that Superman has when he see's the girl's mother. He knows he's done the right thing. And that right there is Superman. Victories, trophies, glory all mean nothing to Supes. All he cares about, and all he's ever cared about is helping people. Using his power to protect and inspire, never to conquer or terrorize.
>>71622909
>Why so they even need a Justice League when most of DC heroes are so overpowered they can handle shit on their own.
Because their villains are equally as powerful, and like to team up from time to time. Alsoso Batman can keep tabs on Superman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdc6QjBNOOU
>>71624093
>>71622125
No he didn't grow it back
>>71623201
>Reeve's films were garbage
And that's where you should have been placed after birth. :)
>>71620613
did you come when the dirt raised from the box?
>>71623931
Such a great quote.
>>71624196
Fuck you and your bait.
>inb4 IT IS NOT FINISHED GROWING BACK THEREFORE NO REGENERATION/GROW DIDNT HAPPEN
>>71624093
>>71624181
Yup. Every time.
>>71624288
Spike doesn't count as a hand. Also it had plenty of time to develop itself into an arm but it didn't.
>>71621201
what's the significance of the symbology here
with regards to the day of the dead ? and the people painted as skulls reaching for clark ?
foreshadowing his death ? more Christ stuff
I can't quit suss it out
>>71624374
There's a nightmare in Man of Steel where Clark is being sucked in by the skulls/bones IIRC
>>71624335
Go fuck yourself
>>71624399
>Go fuck yourself
Typical DCuck (I liked ultimate cut though)
>>71624374
It's the moment where he starts realizing that by remaining this aloof "guardian angel" that swoops in to save us, he's becoming an object of worship and that that's a very bad thing. It's a callback to the vision with Zod, only this time, it's him that's leading us to our extinction. It's a portent of things to come.
It's a gradual thing that plays out over the entirety of the rescue montage, culminating in the moment where he's hovering above the flood, where he fully recognizes what he's seeing - not just praise and camaraderie, but outright worship.
People are turning his symbol of hope into a religious invocation and waiting on the "man in the sky" to save them when a simple "HELP" would have sufficed.
>>71623436
>cynical
>>71624562
Nah I'm not jiggy with this. Superman symbol is something positive and happy in the monument scene, giving hope to people.
I think that scene ties more directly to Man of Steel where Superman has nightmares of being sucked by bones (dead people, he couldn't help, but in BvS he manages to help them)
>>71624617
SUPERMAN GETTING SUCC :DDDD
>>71623436
This wasn't cynical. Original 'Death of Superman' was cynical. Snyder changed the meaning of his death, to something positive.
>>71624617
I think it's the razor's edge that he has to walk - being inspirational without becoming an object of worship. It's just such a short hop between one and the other. Just think of how easily all that idolization could flip back over to godhood once he comes back.
>>71624093
>>71624181
>>71624690
I guess you have a fair point there, but that's not the line the film takes imo. The scene of day of the dead is a call back to his fears in Man of Steel about being unable to save people. Skulls and bones, *kill him* in his nightmare, in BvS he goes to similar looking crowd and saves the girl and the crowd cheers (worships? ) him. Gonna need a rewatch to sort my thoughts desu
Man I really want a Director's Cut of Man of Steel now.
>>71624679
I could not agree more.
>>71620613
Just watched it last night.
It was long.
>>71620716
Except the hole as to why batman has massive mood swings, from a dream that literally makes him hate superman and want to murder him, to him learning that their mothers shared the same name and become superman's best friend. Wtf?
>>71620613
The woman reaching out to Superman during the flood gave me chills. The aftermath of the Senate bombing was a tearjerker for me. The "Death of Superman" and "Funeral for a Friend" moments at the end made me choke up really bad. A lot of poignant, emotional moments in this film, it doesn't deserve all the vitriol and hatred it gets.
>>71624942
>Why Batman has massive mood swings.
He is clearly DAMAGED from somethign that happened to Robin (the tainted suit). He is popping pills and alcohol same time and he was also at the site where Superman and Zod fought ('Mankind is first introduced to Superman) and probably has PTSD from that.
How is this not acceptable explanation for why Bat is off his rocker?
>>71621303
>doesn't care for Snyder
They must be marvel fans!!!!
Fuck off, faggot
>>71624983
Because he's gone through worse and manged to run his empire and keep up his batman image (see: parents' death)
>>71625042
>Gone through worse.
Mate he is still DAMAGED from his parent's death as he gets triggered real hard from you-know-what-word.
>Managed to run his empire.
Eh, on pills and alcohol while also trying to fight crime
He was a human wreck
>>71625042
He doesn't appear to be doing all that hot on a personal level, though, burned-down mansion and all.
>>71625091
Alfred also throws a line about Wayne family going down the shitter
>>71621878
They could just infinite crisis Zack's shit and have Cavillman punch a hole through Snyder's universe revealing himself to be supe prime.
Warner doesn't really think they fucked up though.
>>71625109
Several of them, to be honest. You can tell he's neither pleased with nor proud of Bruce.
"I don't deserve you, Alfred,"
"No, sir. You do not."
Alfred at his passive-aggressive father figure best.
>>71624983
>>71625068
Affleck's Batman reminds me of Flashpoint Paradox where it's actually Bruce's father that survived the shooting. Thomas Wayne prefers to just execute criminals on the spot and also drinks his thoughts away while wallowing in cynicism.
>>71625144
>Warner doesn't really think they fucked up though.
Neither do I, to be quite frank.
>>71625222
That's a good observation. Post-career Bruce in "The Dark Knight Returns" was a bit of a boozer, too.
>>71625222
I believe BvS Batman changes to more classic Batman after Superman dies. Starts planning for future, doesn't really give off the lunatic vibe no more. Also Eisenberg Lex visually changes to more classic one (though the ding ding dong bell rang is still the young Lex in him)
>>71622707
Why is it that when there's a discussion about DC properties a Snyder cocksucker has to bring up Marvel? You faggots are sad. Fuck Marvel shit. The fact is that you fucks can't properly defend your own movie without crying 'b-b-b-buh marvel!!'
Is there anyone else here who wouldn't mind seeing a mad max meets batman movie?
>>71625254
I can defend it just fine and I haven't referenced Marvel to do anything but praise what they do well.
>>71623161
He looks like a fucking goon and his receding hairline doesn't do him any favors
>>71625284
How would you even pitch such a scenario? Don't get me wrong, it sounds awesome, though. I'd watch it.
>>71623161
Only thing that's annoying about him is that he looks constantly really angry when in Superman mode.
That's why My World scene is my favorite, he doesn't look angry, he looks like Clark Kent
>>71625230
Congrats. The general public and most critics disagree with you
>>71625284
>tfw no sexy masked punkfu to fight with
>>71625385
There's also a damn good chance the general public's about elect a smarmy douchebag with comb-over and all the charm of a used car salesman as my commander-in-chief.
Fuck the general public.Although the alternative isn't all that great, either.
>>71625520
Democracy is a shit concept, this much was established back in the day in Greece by Plato, Socrates.
>>71620613
Where can I magnet the Ultimate Cut? It's not for sale on our stores, and yi fy doesn't have it.
>>71622773
>This is how capeshit fans brush off criticism
This is some top tier cognitive dissonance
>>71625540
I think Heinlein had the right idea with Starship Troopers and its form of a republic.
>>71620704
>That scene with the Wayne tower collapsing, resulting in Batman's obsession with defeating Superman
>not the most powerful post 9/11 scene addressing the split between politics, entertainment and culture and our inability to deal with left/right divide
>mfw Zach Snyder is trying to ameliorate our division
>>71626041
Kristen Milotic best person in the world
>>71620716
because the studio knew it was garbage and the only money they'd make was from the review embargoed synchronized international holiday weekend release.
So they cut 30 minutes to get 20% more screenings.
>>71626041
>the MoS zod fight has supes and zod flying around the entire city
>the same fight in BvS takes place around the same city block so bruce can watch it.
>>71626114
>All I want in life is a beautiful Italian woman
>>71626174
>Look mommy I pointed out a mistake in the continuity of that movie, I'm a real critic too
Go away Cinemasins
>>71620704
I literally stood up and applauded after the Wayne murder scene. Some guy from the back called me an asshole but I didn't care.
Also my theatre didn't have a problem with the Martha scene. I guess it's just an American thing
>>71626355
>problem with the Martha scene
Yeah, I didn't get that, it humanized Superman for Batman, didn't really see why it's so preposterous
>>71626226
>lois knows, before ever being within a mile of doomsday, the spear is needed to kill doomsday.
>batman somehow knows next to nothing about superman before he decides to kill him
>batman, cruising in the batwing around a walking nuclear reactor who had just survived a nuke, instantly knows its kryptonian and instantly decides the best course of action is to lead it away from the uninhabited island its hanging out at, completely immobile, back to towards a large population center. Because the kryptonite spear is there.
>batman then never makes so much as the slighest effort to ever retreieve said spear and just kinda watches wonderwoman and superman get slapped around by doomsday. Also hiding under rocks that, for some reason, aren't destroyed by doomsday's blasts, when basically everything else is
>the entire first two hours of the extended cut are nothing but contrivance upon contrivance thrown out in desperate attempt to orchestrate a conflict between superman and batman
>all of this is discarded exactly at the 2 hour mark, when lex kidnaps superman's mom
I'd have to watch it again to pull more legitimate fuckups. But hey, that'd mean watching it again, and I ain't getting paid for this shit.
>>71626416
because it ended a contrived conflict with an even more contrived coincidence.
>>71626174
The only two portions of the fight that Bruce witnessed between Clark and Zod was the brief moment they spent in Wayne Tower and their return from LEO along with the wreckage of his satellite.
Cinemasins can suck a dick.
>Conscience died with Martha (the beginning of the film)
>Conscience gets restored with Martha (MARTHA scene)
damn
>>71620804
>one 5/10 film is a bit better than another 5/10 film
>>71626474
what is this "cinemains" thing you're talking about?
Did some youtuber notice this retcon, thus, no one else is allowed to notice it ever again? Read: the RLM defense?
>>71626432
Could you just post the Cinemasins video so I don't have to read that
>>71626488
Really makes you think
>>71626542
I don't watch youtube OC, so I don't know what you're talking about.
>>71626461
It's not a coincidence if it's been a part of the mythos for 70+ years. Also they didn't stop fighting because their moms have the same name- they stopped cause Batman realised Superman was not trying to be an alien overlord hell-bent on taking control of the world, rather it was Batman himself who was on the wrong
>>71621151
But we must symbolize how BURDENED he is by humanity!
>>71626526
It's a YouTube channel devoted to noting plotholes, sometimes with reason, sometimes not.
Regardless of the source, if you think he witnessed the entire fight, you should watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br3ZQDo6nBw
They don't synch completely, but it does show the portions of the fight Bruce witnessed quite well.
>Lex killed his qt secretary
what a monster
why did everyone hate the martha scene? I actually teared up, really good way to end the fight desu
>>71621725
but she wasn't hurt or even winded at all, she just couldn't kill him.
>>71623931
Yes Yes. The smile. I'm glad someone else noticed it. Everyone says Cavill lacks charisma when in fact he's oozing it in every scene. You cant except Kal-el to act like the guy from U.N.C.L.E
>>71621201
I remember when I first saw this scene I was shaking from crying so hard.
Any similar inspirational movies like BvS? (MoS too I suppose)
>>71627140
there's almost nothing inspirational about either of those films
>>71626812
wait, I thought "not muh superman" was the go-to shutout for any complaints that could be even tangentially related to a lack of consistency with the established material.
So now it is "muh superman" when it suits the people who seek to defend this?
>>71626865
The problem of course, is they did literally rearrange the fight inorder to have a single immobile observer witness key parts of it.
>>71627377
its pretty inspirational to see whiney mopey faggots (like me) have superpowers and get all whiney and mopey as a result of using them.
Also the look of disgust that's always on cavill's face really makes me identify with him.
>>71627377
you actually may be autistic if you think that
In Man of Steel you can see Lana Lang defended young Clark, but it was revealed in BvS that Pa Kent actually flooded the entire Lang farm along with all the horses while he's eating his hero cake.
How did she not hold a grudge against the Kent family? Was she kept from the secret?
>>71621613
Characters getting out of a bad situation due to a coincidence is bad writing.
>>71627721
for you
>>71622956
>Literally nonsense plot
>But plebs can't understand movies too complex
Guess you're the pleb.
>You just KNOW all those characters will be back in the sequel.
>Nobody expected Superman's death
Hypocrisy.
>>71626938
Mercy Graves is a cartoon character that is actually a robot.
>>71627377
BvS ends up in a very high note.
>>71627649
Feel free to elaborate.
>>71620716
I feel like the theatrical cut should have swapped the desert scene for Clark's investigation and the scene where it's revealed the woman advocating for superman to explain himself was hired by lex
>>71622956
>nobody expected superman's death
the only reason doomsday even exists is to kill superman..
>>71627882
Both films are about determination in the face of all odds, both films actually have conversations about this kind of thing.
You're probably baiting anyway.
>>71627893
The desert scene was the closest the movie ever came to being good. I mean, it was a scene from a completely different movie, but that movie seemed like it would've been much more interesting than the rest of BvS.
>>71627893
The desert scene was likely a set up for JL, but I get how it ties in to BvS. Bruce realizes on reflection how important the women in Clark's life are, thus this is his motivation to save Martha, lest superman lose his shit
>>71622004
Im going to hit him with my gun
>>71627928
Considering both batman and superman are the embodiments of "all odds," and the movie is mostly about both being moping/depressed faggots despite this, you're just speaking pure gibberish.
>>71628109
So you are baiting, good to know.
>>71627985
yea but speedy gonzales told bruce the key was lois, not martha.
Do you think Batman and Flash will retain their Nightmare memories when it comes to fighting the parademons? Interested in how the handle it in JL
>>71628129
I mean, if you don't have any actual counterarguments, its okay. I'm not expecting much from people who defend this.
>>71628151
>>71628151
Batman will, the Flash probably won't as that Flash is now from a different timeline.
>>71628171
cool
>>71628151
Reminder that zack snyder is still directing. If it can be mishandled, it will be.
>son's an alien god
>still believes in Jesus
Bravo Nolan
>>71628194
This is the flash we're talking about.
Unless they're trying to power him down a lot by making him a spic.
>>71628231
>lazy flash so he's not too OP
snyder is a fucking genius
>>71628218
i'd tap ma kent so hard senpaitachi
>>71628268
same
