last thread has reached bump limit.
Genuine thread to talk about the film. Please no memes or brand wars
https://youtu.be/W3SLLEzkG8c
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>>71597956
Two scenes are self-referential: MoS-MoS & BvS-BvS
One retroactively refers to the first film: MoS-BvS.
What did Snyder mean by this?
https://youtu.be/nevWCrGnlMM
APOLOGIZE
>>71598099
I like Ang Lee's Hulk and I have never read a single Marvel/Hulk comic in my life.
Still got that scene, TAKE IT ALL, in my mind when Hulk just gives it all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX5sDIAVXDE
I hope there will be a director's cut of Man of Steel someday.
>>71597878
I haven't seen it. Is it worth it to waste 3 hours?
>Supes kills Zod at the end of MoS
>screams out in agony about taking a life
>kills the guy holding Lois 15mins into the movie
Bravo Zack
>>71598116
maybe a slight bump in box office so itd reach the billion figure like the dark knight films
>>71598225
he screamed in agony over having to kill the last of his kind over petty reasons, senpai
>>71598207
the only true capekino desu
>>71598069
hack job stolen from dwoskin
>>71598223
What else do you have lined up today?
>>71598223
I enjoyed it quite a bit. with only a few scenes it shows Superman to be much more emphatic.
>>71598225
Isn't it stated that the guy didn't die? Wasn't the whole deal with that scene the fact that a bunch of people were shot and burned? Did you watch the movie?
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>>71598215
Late thanks to you for suggesting the comics.
>what's so funny about truth justice and the american way
>The Dark Knight Returns
>John Byrne's "Man of Steel"
>superman: peace on earth
>JLA
>Red Son
>All-Star Superman
>Superman: Birthright
>Justice League seems like a pretty straightforward adaptation of Geoff Johns' first story arc in the New 52.
>Grant Morrison's run on JLA
>As far as movies with themes that are similar to what's being explored in MoS and BvS, check out "The Man who Fell to Earth," "Starman," and "Contact." All of those touch on the angle of attack he's taken on Superman's extended origin story.
Posting the list here if someone else is like, that has never read a DC or Marvel comic and wants to read stuff that influenced Snyder.
>>71598207
desu i really love the scene when banner has the gamma incident
>>71598249
So he don't really give a shit about humans?
Bravo Zack
>>71598351
I think youre choosing to be an ignorant twat here, my friend.
>>71598329
If Superman tackles you at 200MPH through 3 walls, you're dead.
>>71598351
sure
>>71598390
>200MPH
how do you know that?
>>71597956
out of chronological order BUT is it pottery?
Death on the left
reBIRTH on the right
Even the Director's Extended Edition TM wasn't able to save this trainwreck.
>>71598207
Hell yes, and Betty's explanation for why the Hulk's strength has infinite potential was absolutely brilliant.
>>71597956
>>71598445
you're right
shit, we read left to right, order any webms left to right as well
So i watched the Ultimate Cut yesterday and i want to ask where is this scene where:'Lex Tells superman that he captured his mother.Afterwards Superman tries to find her,searches left and right but finds despair''
I've read some places about this scene yet didn't see it anywhere in the movie.
from previous thread
Will Suicide Squad be as though provoking as BvS?
>>71598329
Yes. Clark flat-out says he didn't kill anyone.
>>71598445
>People will still call it 'damage control' when Zack Snyder has been setting up the birth of heroic age FOR THREE FILMS with obvious references, themes, and scenes.
The fact that he has subverted the meaning of Superman dying in BvS compared to original comic is probably the biggest hint of it.
>>71598561
i doubt it, i hope it's a good movie though.
Ayer's a pretty good director and the cast is interesting, the designs seem really fucked up though.
and all the reshoots make me a little worried but the movie did seem like it needed levity
>>71598561
I hope so. I kind of already think that it's going to further explore the impact a guy like Superman has had on the world, and I already know there's going to have to be at least some discussion about magic.
I'm hype as hell for the world-building possibilities.
>>71598686
Is this how Superman works out? Where's he going with that ship?
>>71598686
Was he meant to be training here?
>>71598561
Ayer has never made a film that was thought-provoking and his edgy and dark style will be neutered by executives.
Something like Sabotage would be too depressing for people. There's no hope there. His Fury was bleak too
is this supposed to be the representation here?
>>71598535
guess its not in the ultimate cut either
remember there's another hour of footage that didn't make it
personally i was hoping for a supposed clark nightmare of black zero and a clark vision of zod
>>71598614
Reposting my question from the previous thread.
>>71598733
>Where's he going with that ship?
weighing in the scrap metal for money
>>71598738
>>71598733
no the people on that ship were trapped in the ice so he was moving it for them.
>>71598777
web-dl is out, bluray comes out 18th
>>71598742
sorry meant to tag >>71598602
>>71598561
>>71598649
>>71598741
the government black ops angle, where the government uses psychopaths to do their dirty work is the central theme the movie is working with. i wonder if the makers will be presenting commentary on real world examples of this
even bvs had a corporate sponsored false flag.....i wonder when THAT was written..
>>71598821
Yeah rumors is that when Supes returns in JL he will have the black suit and long hair. (maybe a beard also )
>>71598821
possibly. I think in the films it will be more that Earth realises what an asset Superman was, and most of the world will love him on his return
Who's that?
How did he get there?
>>71598850
>a corporate sponsored false flag
Lexcorp had shit to do with government? You are referring to Africa right.
You think this will win a Razzie this year? I think it's pretty deserving of it. Fantastic Four won last year but this is far worse.
>>71598742
it would make sense for that to be a direct nod
and kryptonian mail/underarmor/whatever is black
>>71598893
steppenwolf, communicating with Lex through the liquid metal shit
I've only seen like the, film-video versions of Superman and Lex.
I think Smallville had the best Clark-Lex.
>>71598893
Steppenwolf, one of Darksieds generals, its just a krytonian hologram like you see in MOS
Lex was getting a info dump from the ship and he learned all about Darksied and he let out a signal letting Darksied know of the location of those three mother boxes
>>71598390
He may have grabbed him, craddled him against break-neck speed and smashed his own back/fist through those walls and may have dropped him off at the local un/cia/whatever squadron/jail. That guys death wasn't supes goal. Removing him from the situation was.
>>71598895
yes.
the more i don't think about the characters of suicide squad and think more about how the gobermint is going to use a task force of criminals domestically the more interested i get in watching the movie
>>71598741
wtf is this thing on the webm?Someone know?I watched the UC and was wondering what it was when it came in the end
>>71598893
that metal has been used in both movies to create physical structures to communicate and to tell stories.
its the same as holograms in star wars except that it's metal constructing a 3 d representation of who you're communicating with
>>71599044
I assume it was some kryptonian librarian feeding Lex information about the 100000+ worlds.
>>71598602
I was rewatching "The Prestige" the other day, and thought of this scene.
"No one cares about Clark Kent taking on the Batman."No one cares about the man in the box, either.
>>71599224
>"No one cares about Clark Kent taking on the Batman."
Hilarious meta comment about the film.
>>71599098
What are motherboxes? Some infinity gem esque macguffin plot device?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdc6QjBNOOU
My favorite scene from the film.
>>71599362
In the comics, they're essentially sentient computers created by the New Gods and linked to "The Source." It's all straight from Jack Kirby's brilliantly cracked mind.
How they're handled and explained in the DCEU is still not entirely known, but typically, they've always been sources of miracles great and small.
take out eisenberg, gadot, and adams. add in some more superman and the movie is a lot better. afflek as batman didnt really do anything for me so i dont know where all this praise is coming from. hes alright once hes in the suit but his bruce wayne is unremarkable and his lines are cheesy as fuck( not afflek's fault, i know).
>>71599362
I won't lie that's exactly what they are.
but Darksied was created by Jack Kirby who Marvel then decided to steal the design of for Thanos.
regardless of the macguffen I'm very keen to see closer looks at the designs of Darksied and Parademon's in JL.
>>71599365
Every damn time.
>>71599559
>I won't lie that's exactly what they are.
Not in the comics. They are merely tools.
Snyder is making them into a infinity gems ripoff though
Just watched it, I really liked it and normally hate cape shit.
This is how superhero movies should be down. Dark and geared towards adults.
All of marvels shit is like walking through candyland it was made to appeal to little faggot kids.
The action scenes were superb, although I thought wonderwomen tacked on to help them was lame. Also the ammount of the film that was actually batman vs superman was way to little.
>>71599287
>the bat interrogated six people and came away with nothing. it was bruce wayne that got the information
a bunch of lines like that in the movie, with the ones said to clark of course being funny little dramatic ironies
in an interview somewhere it was revealed that the underground fight club bruce goes to was longer with people noticing he is and him saying "i'm a night person"
>>71599362
>>71599530
>How they're handled and explained in the DCEU is still not entirely known
From the set visit, journalists said that there are 3 motherboxes on Earth that reunited would become a powerful weapon
So yeah, mcguffin. Even though they weren't supposed to be.
>>71599610
I'd like marvel movies a lot more if they were more like Ant-Man, that movie seemed pretty perfect for marvel's formula, pretty hyped for Dr. Strange too
>>71599534
Eisenberg's Luthor as a young, neurotic, psychotic millionaire was pretty good, I also appreciated his off beat acting and the little cracks in his public persona here and there before he completely loses it.
Gadot was just too little in the film. Whatever I saw, I enjoyed. Best being the fight parts.
And Adams won my heart over this time around, I didn't like MoS at all.
>>71599610
>This is how superhero movies should be down. Dark and geared towards adults.
>>71599621
That's awesome.
>>71599610
*tips sombrero*
It's a shame how the film just ends with grimdark CGI action with a mindless brute when it spent hours going on about philosophy and the roles of gods and man.
I don't know why Zack Snyder has to make pseudo shit instead of just crafting fun escapism films. You get the sense that he's a director that hates his own audience and makes it his mission to go against the grain and make movies that aren't the norm, and everytime he falls on his head.
>>71599659
Yeah, I really enjoyed Ant-Man and Dr. Strange looks like it's going to be a good time as well.
>>71599739
>grimdark.
Stop using this word. It's not grimdark because it has violence and destruction.
>>71599801
It's grimdark because it's also all dark and depressing on top of the violence and destruction
>>71599739
The things he does with his movies is what makes them interesting to me, I'm sure I'd enjoy them if they were more mindless action movies but making them more character-centric is why they actually have lasting value in my mind, and I can rewatch them many times
>>71599850
Not even the dark weather makes it grimdark, and the 'If you seek his monument' scene could not be in anything that's grimdark (hugely positive message).
>>71599721
Not that guy, but why sombrero?
>>71599929
As light as Jesus' crucifixion
Hey, he died for our sins, that's a positive message
>>71599955also because it's a big hat
>>71599929
dezu as someone who was a big part of the first two waves of pasta
when i saw that moment on screen...
t-t-they don't mean us too... h-haha
its funny how people say snyder hates superman when this movie makes it obvious how much he loves the character
>>71599610
>bringing up marvel
>>71598583
But superman dying has no meaning because he didn't die.
>fanboys will defend character resurrection because lol christ symbolism
>>71599721
pretty accurate
>>71600023
what?
>>71600028
god i fucking hate this company wars shit.
I like X-men, which is marvel, I like Spiderman, which is Marvel.
>>71600088
that moment where the people are revealed to be superman's monument is for the movie audience as well
>>71598567
Saying he didn't kill anyone loses all meaning when we clearly see that he had no inhibition in his violence. By contrast if he accidentally killed someone with no malicious intent I wouldn't have a problem with it.
>>71600028
>Call people who polarizes DC versus Marvel dickheads
>Polarizes DC versus Marvel
>WB makes a good 21st century Superman movie with Superman Returns
>solid lead, great Lex
>only problem was Bosworth as Lois Lane
>still, received well by critics and fans
>BUT, it """only""" makes $390 million worldwide
>decide to reboot the series
You made the bed. Now you lay in it.
>>71599979
You don't necessarily need to read it as Jesus allegory. He died for his world and for Lois Lane, and the overall tone of the scene is empathetic and positive. Him, other metahuman helped to save the world and the world has accepted them (and Superman accepted the world as his), and Wonder Woman probably goes from autistic shutin to a relevant figure, and it also signals the birth of heroic age with Wayne and Diana starting the search for them.
>>71600045
>But superman dying has no meaning because he didn't die.
Him, Wonder Woman (and to some extent, I guess Batman) saving the world from Doomsday and changing the status quo attitude of Earth towards metahumans was meaningful, that scene alone is very powerful end to Superman in the film (and it's not only end, it's also a beginning)
I don't know how you can read anything grimdark to his death in BVS:UC.
>>71600023
>its funny how people say snyder hates superman when this movie makes it obvious how much he loves the character
I read interview from the original creators of the Doomsday and Death of Superman plotline. It was a backlash against 90s gritty and edgyness, and sort of petty thing 'well here is your world without superhero, up your nose', to remove one of its heroes where as here it is a birth of heroic age and appreciation of metahuman(s)
In the film it's far from being somethign so petty and edgy. It's completely changed in meaning, in a positive way.
>>71600124
what?
and what pasta?
you're smoking something bad
>>71600136
what are you babbling about?
>>71600045
don't need to defend anything, the story is clear and the ideas are clear
death has always been a crucible that certain figures go through, the biggest, and there's nothing wrong with going that route. we don't actually know what's next
>>71600172
>pretend to be superior by calling others plebs and shit
>can't follow basic sentence structure
kek
>>71600150
I didn't say it was a Jesus allegory, I said it was as "light" as a Jesus' crucifixion scene, which is not light at all
But after all it's all about Jesus allegories with Snyder, so I understand why you thought that
All these times Joker has tried to defeat Batman, who knew that all he had to do was yell out "Martha" to expose Bat's secret weakness.
>>71597956
Is this what witnessing true kino feels like?
>>71600190
are you alright senpai?
>>71600165
haven't smoked in years, honest
>>71600195
I read from the context clue that you read it as Jesus allegory since the first thing you said with regards to that scene was a reference to Jesus.
>>71600150
>Him, Wonder Woman (and to some extent, I guess Batman) saving the world from Doomsday and changing the status quo attitude of Earth towards metahumans was meaningful, that scene alone is very powerful end to Superman in the film (and it's not only end, it's also a beginning)
That's nice backpedaling and all but superman didn't die and you refuse to admit this because you're biased af.
>>71600179
>death has always been a crucible that certain figures go through, the biggest, and there's nothing wrong with going that route.
Kek, no nothing wrong at all except it removes all sense of tension and stakes. I feel trolled having to even explain why resurrecting characters is bad on a movie board, it should go without saying.
>>71600244
>superman didn't die
Superman died twice in the film though. I'm sure Wonder/Diana and Bruce can check if he is dead.
>All tension and stakes.
No it really didn't. It was a well earned and meaningful death, despite him obviously having a rebirth later.
>>71600136
Superman Returns was great, and I remember my dad's smile as Superman saved that airplane. Man of Steel ruined the character.
>>71600023
Yeah, I got that too. I saw people in my theater looking around at each other. Tons of folks got that feel, and I don't have any doubt about what message they were conveying there and throughout the whole film.We are the angels. We have to be.
>>71600283
It's just a different character. Superman Returns Superman is still *there*.
That film did ruin the career of Brandon Ruth though
>>71600280
>Superman died twice in the film though.
>No it really didn't. It was a well earned and meaningful death, despite him obviously having a rebirth later.
Hahaha this is fantastic, it's like you really are blind. I really hope you're fooling the shit out of me.
>>71600023
>>71600318
And people say Zack Snyder doesn't love Superman from the bottom of his heart.
if superman race is alien.
How come they have a logo designed with an "S"?
is there any explanation? do they have a graphic designer?
>>71600324
>That film did ruin the career of Brandon Ruth though
He would probably have the same kind of career had the movie been sucessful and he continued to be Superman
>>71600375
Well, probably. But it served as the final nail in the coffin for sure.
>>71600318
>I saw people in my theater looking around at each other
They were confused about what the fuck they were watching
>>71600127
If he had "no inhibition in his violence," he could have just cooked his brain without making a move.
Fuck off with this shit movie! No one likes it except these chuckle fucks who meme the shit out of it
Anyone who Un-Ironically enjoyed this flick is a retard and should kill themselves the first chance they get. DCucks are literally so autistic that they will bang their heads repeatedly on a concrete wall lined with steel spikes just to prove that the majority are wrong
>bvs was utter shit FACT
>bvs flopped FACT
>DCucks are autistic FACT
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>>71600368
why is zodd coat of arms an omega?
>>71600504
Looks like a 5 gum logo
ive never seen such defense of a movie before.
>>71597956
This gets me every time. I don't buy into every last little detail this guy points out, but this mirrored editing was just spot-on perfection.
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>>71600474
Well this post certainly managed to convince me that what I enjoyed was shit.
>>71600447
Choosing to beat the fuck out of him instead of cooking his brain is obviously a stylistic choice. It looks cool and it serves to demonstrate his strength in a more visceral and arguably more violent way than laser-ing him from a distance in cold blood. It's inconsistent with the later attempt to characterize him as pacifist-leaning, it's jarring and critics are correct to point it out.
>>71600244
>>71600343
sure *we* are in on it, but the characters of the story don't, they could have easily not shown us and it would have been the same
the point is that there is no way of shying away from it. superman can't be held down and even if they hadn't shown us that last moment everyone would still be saying "he's coming back" because he actually is at that level
>>71600599
when will they delete /a/?
nobody even likes anime anymore
>>71600474
t. Marveldrone
>>71600626
>sure *we* are in on it, but the characters of the story don't
Yeah man fuck the viewer who cares about that guy. It's not like stakes and consequences are necessary to get us to care about the characters and drive the plot, man fuck that Snyder has transcended such puny concerns.
>>71600449
You sure are an expert in Reddit.
What's the meaning of this pose?
>>71600368
>>71600504
There's a whole Kryptonian alphabet and much like some Asian alphabets, the individual characters have inherent meanings as well. It looks a lot less like an "S" in their less-stylized script.
Hey guys, remember that part near the end where lois somehow telepathically knows the spear is needed to kill doomsday, and runs back to get it? Despite the fact she had no way of knowing doomsday even existed?
also that part when batman, in the batwing, flying around near what is clearly a walking nuclear reactor that explodes, destroying everything in an ever widening radius regularly, immediately knows its kryptonian, and, thus, knows he needs the spear to kill it. Then his plan is to lead it back to gotham, so he can get the spear. Then when he gets it back to gotham, he exerts absolutely zero effort to actually get the spear again?
>>71600597
If his own word isn't good enough for you, why don't you show me the body?
>>71600882
>Hey guys, remember that part near the end where lois somehow telepathically knows the spear is needed to kill doomsday
She saw Batman near killing Superman with it just moments ago, and obviously it was green as hell.
Might be because she is a journalist she did some 1+1=2 with some luck (Doomsday = kryptonian being the lucky guess).
Fine enough leap of faith for me to accept and hold my suspension of disbelief
>>71600882
>sees zodd's ship acting up
>then sees something creating huge explosion
>then superman bringing him into space, getting nuked
>creature falls back into earth
>another explosion, obviously still alive
>>71600947
What about how she had no way of knowing doomsday even existed? All she could see from her vantage point were some explosions.
>>71600779
Couple of different interpretations, really. In one sense, it's an allusion to Atlas holding up the sky. In other, it's Superman reaching down to aid us puny mortals.
I actually thought it would have been a nice touch him saying that he wasn't a fan of the message it conveys, but at the same time, him ducking the whole public persona bit out of guilt precluded much commentary on it.
>>71601002
Not a hard leap of faith to assume she had seen him jumping around. He liked to jump around, Doomsday I mean.
Or is Doomsday 'it', didn't see no cock nor balls
These are quite autistic complaints desu
>>71600911
Are you being deliberately obtuse? Can't you see that it doesn't matter in the slightest whether or not he died? Human beings are empathic creatures, we can sense benevolent or malevolent intent. When superman attacks the nameless mook, we know, instinctively, that he doesn't give a fuck about him. He's angry and he only cared about Lois. When a few minutes later the movie tries to paint him as some sort of pacifist, we don't know how to feel, does he care about human life? Is he just lying? It's confusing and your denial of it is intellectually dishonest.
>>71600987
she had no way to know anything apart from "zod's ship acting up."
She was never anywhere near doomsday, never could have even seen doomday. All she could have seen is explosions. She had no phone, no transportation. She was literally stranded at the docks and, after seeing a series of explosions who's cause, effects, or intended targets she had no way of knowing, instantly thinks, I MUST RETRIEVE SPEAR
>>71601043
>Couple of different interpretations, really. In one sense, it's an allusion to Atlas holding up the sky. In other, it's Superman reaching down to aid us puny mortals.
>>71600779
The meaning of the Atlas pose is to show how big the one track mind humans have in the film towards Superman. They think he is God or Atlas, he is only given army funeral by USA. None of them except his closest family take him as a *human* being.
How far apart are Gotham and Metropolis? Lois needs a helicopter to get to the Bat signal when the thing is like a block away.
>>71601054
she had no way of ever seeing doomsday at any point. It was night, doomsday was dark gray, etc. All she could've seen are explosions.
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>>71601093
she's not retarded
>>71601088
that opening sequence was almost as bad as the TDKR opening sequence. But everything fell flat.
>>71601093
>Stranded at docks.
And that's where Batman first leads Doomsday.
>>71601167
She had no way of knowing that wasn't superman.
I gotmad Metal Gear Solid vibes from this film.
>>71601183
Lois goes for the spear before ever being within a mile of doomsday.
>>71601227
First of all its a movie
Second go home
>>71601222
except for the fact that he creates a huge explosion on impact, then creates another HUGE explosion made up of electricity or whatever the fuck.
daily reminder, their silhouette is the shape of Master Shake
>>71601086
>we don't know how to feel
Is that a royal "we," or are you acting as spokesman for some vast multitude that can't reconcile the fact that if he says he didn't kill him, odds are he didn't kill him?
>your denial of it is intellectually dishonest.
Yet nor nearly so much as your own.
No more so than yours.
>>71600474
Every time someone who sounds this moronic posts an ant-BvS post I get a good feeling.
It reminds me that the detractors of the film are mouth-breathing imbeciles.
>>71601333
>trips
>holy trinity
kino confirmed
Why did they kill off Jimmy Olsen in the first 10 minutes? Was he not an edgy enough of a character for Snyder to keep around?
>>71601333
There's a weird sort of /v/ like shitposting against this film. Just faggots posting about Marvelcuck adn DCcuck and company war shit.
It's annoying
>>71601121
It's across a bay from the Planet.
>>71600882
>Despite the fact she had no way of knowing doomsday even existed?
Dude, the thing is being shown on fucking tv and she is ON SITE.
Also, at this point, every extraordinaire creature is "kriptonian". To her, the monster is a "Zod 2.0" (which we know he is) and she knows that kriptonite hurts him by association. Hell, even Lex thinks that kriptonite is effective against other metahumans by association...
>>71601093
She hears it roar right before going back for the spear.
>>71597878
absolut kino
>>71601297
Oh dear I accidentally used we, I fucked up I admit it, I should've spoken for myself, but you're still one hundred per cent dishonest.
>shoot guy in the chest
>had no way of knowing if guy lives
>from the fact that he shot him, he obviously don't care about him
>b-but he said he didn't kill him
Even if we assume that superman isn't lying, and that he checked up to confirm that everyone lived, that doesn't make a spec of difference, because the way he acted is in direct contradiction with his supposed pacifism. You know this, but you deliberately ignore it, instead electing to focus on a mistake I made.
>>71601121
I always pictured Metropolis being a fictional New York and Gotham being a fictional Chicago and about that distance apart.
But in this movie they're apparently right next to each other.
>>71601333
Another for my collection! You are doing the Lord's work, anon.
>>71597878
TWENTY YEARS IN
>>71601377
I think it was a way to symbolically shoot fanboys in the head by doing it to the ultimate fanboy.
But surely that's just a coincidence.
why was jimmy olsen white in this, but black in the supergirl series? both are part of the dc universe?
what's going on.
>>71601662
Might make sense, if Jimmy Olsen is fanboy of Supes in the comics? Is he?
I haven't read them
>>71601405
>even Lex thinks that kriptonite is effective against other metahumans by association
I'm kind of hoping that turns out to be true and that most metahumans are of Kryptonian lineage.
>>71601732
>Why is Jimmy different in X adaptation than in Y adaptation
?
>>71601504
I addressed both in my post. I'm afraid that at this point, we're just going to have to agree to disagree.
>>71601793
aren't they both part of the "extended universe" or whatever? that was my point. why cast different actors? there's supposed to be some continuity, isn't there?
>>71601732
It was white cis-male Jimmy who also happened to be a badass spy. A jimmy like that can't be allowed in 2016. If he had been black jimmy or cross-dressing jimmy he would have lived.
>>71601860
They're different adaptations that have no ties to each other.
>>71601900
>that have no ties to each other.
oh my mistake, i though they were supposed to be in the same universe.
>>71601547
Yeah, more like New York and New Jersey, which seems oddly appropriate for some reason.
>>71601856
I like the idea of SuperManners too, but I've been doing it for a month or so before seeing BvS
>>71601746
He kind of is, really. He's sort of like a male version of Lois with this monstrous mancrush on Superman while basically just tolerating Clark.
Spider-Man had a similar relationship with a guy named Flash Thompson, who idolized Spidey while being kind of a jerk to Pete.
>>71597956
>watching the mashup
>see the S on the coffin
>tear up
fuck that still gets me
>>71600779
As above, so below. He's here to pick up those that have fallen and bring them into the light.
>>71598207
Widow can beat the Hulk's cock
>>71601856
I don't see what you addressed. Your only defense of this apparent contradiction is that because superman says he didn't kill him, it must mean he didn't kill him. This is a bad defense because the very idea a contradiction means that superman simultaneously be speaking truthfully and honestly in the scene where he says that he didn't kill the nameless mooks, while also having acted with malice and intent to kill in the previous scene, as he clearly did.
Agree to disagree seems to be the only choice here, I don't have any argument to prove that superman really did exert malice uncharacteristic to a supposed pacifist on the nameless mook, you can say it's just my subjective intuition and superman totally knew the mook wouldn't die. You can't even have a conversation when your opponent is intellectually dishonest.
>>71598535
Snyder said he thought it was too dark, even for his tastes
Almost every person who hates MoS and BvS largely complain about symbolism and religious reference. Why?
>>71601886
>mfw all these versions are canon.
>>71602240
Does Superman lie at all in the film? . He saved the terrorist hideout from the nuke before he even knew most of them had been burned alive.
>>71598561
two things could happen
>A) it's average popcorn flick which will be fun to go see
>B) what Jai and Will both said about it being a character drama that explores in depth "how a man can kill for money then the next hour go Christmas shopping with his daughter" which will be fucking top tier
>>71602166
Me too, anon. Every damn time. We share the superfeels.
>>71602316
He doesn't lie, he really didn't intend to kill anyone. This becomes a problem when in a previous scene he attacked someone in a manner that shows negligence towards human life. Some might even say that one of those behaviors are out of character.
>>71602283
I really don't understand what the people who hate these films want in a superhero movie.
>27%
>>71602283
It's lazily down and executed. Only people who care about that shit are fedora-lords who always talk about the symbolism in the Matrix
Symbolism can be done well. Just putting a cross behind Superman or having him dunked underwater three times while people call him a savior is dumb
>>71602483
Kinoblindness is epidemic
>>71602421
Well, it's only a superhero in the making. The Snyder Superman that is.
>>71602500
>Just putting a cross behind Superman or having him dunked underwater three times while people call him a savior is dumb
That's exactly what these films are saying though
>>71602483
http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/filename/1464645483537.jpg/
autism
>>71602534
You didn't read the post, I guess
Oh well
>>71602500
Nah, I'm one of these films' biggest fans and I think that the symbolism in the Matrix wasn't anywhere near as deep and meaningful as what's present in MoS and BvS.
I thought a far better handling of a "tech Messiah" was present in "Transcendence," but sadly, it dropped the ball in really selling it.
>>71602534
>movie does something clever
>look at how clever this movie is!
>movie does something dumb
>look at how cleverly this movie parodies other dumb movies, clearly a meta-criticism
something about unfalsifiable hypotheses
>>71602538
That is autism to you?
http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/image/kJZ85N0hDBWDeJnmaIoOFw/
>>71600741
way to ignore the rest of my post
there very clear consequences to everything in the movie, and most probably will be very real stakes.
if the moment of his return would have felt the same to the viewer regardless of whether they had shown that small hint or not
>>71602723
yeah
>>71602669
The film even blurts it out bluntly to you that people inserting symbolism and meaning to him, like the Atlas, like the Jesus is ignorant. The funeral scene drives it home even better
>>71602777
Snyder is the one who can't keep from inserting symbolism and meaning to him and he does that since Man of Steel, that DOES NOT imply it's a meta-criticism.
Is he dissing himself then?
>>71600882
gee hmmm big monster that shoots lasers out of its eyes hmmmm weren't we just concerned about some shenanigans at the kyrptonian ship??
>talk to me alfred
>....how best to describe it
>>71602864
>He does that since of Man of Steel.
Surprise to you, shot of Clark and the painting of Jesus wasn't a deep allegory, it was just there. You inserted the meaning to him making you effectively one of the ignorant people.
Sometimes jesus painting is just that, a jesus painting
>So bad they resort to twitter reviews
You can't make this shit up
>>71601227
desu that's what i like about it too
>>71602777
>Makes Jesus symbolism in MoS indicating he's the messiah, the savior
>Makes Jesus symbolism in BvS throughout the entire fucking movie in scenes that doesn't have anything to do with public perception
>makes Jesus symbolism on the scene of his death
>makes Jesus symbolism on the scene of his burial
>releases the movie at Easter weekend
>"It's a criticism to people who think he's Jesus"
Holy fuck
>>71602944
And sometimes, it's just the Jesus.
![stock-photo-two-beautiful-girls-laughing-and-pointing-at-camera-53857132[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/MLS9o7W.jpg "stock-photo-two-beautiful-girls-laughing-and-pointing-at-camera-53857132[1].jpg")
>>71602958
>http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/filename/1455959292226.jpg/
>>71602993
Jesus painting was a jesus painting.
No, having a statue of him in Atlas position isn't stating he is Atlas.
And it's not jesus symbolism just because he died like Jesus.
You keep proving me right and I don't even have to do anything. Rewatch BvS:UC.
and him being reawaken at the end is *just* a kryptonian feature, not him being Jesus.
Jesus anon.
>>71602500
>>71602669
>>71602777
so why aren't you offended by the cross behind the priest?
>>71602944
Look at this dude
How the fuck can you fucks come up with the most retarded excuses
They even state he has the same age as Jesus
Snyder is simply obsessed with Jesus symbolism, not only with Superman actually.
It's not a meta-commentary. Snyder is not the smart guy you all make him out to be. Everytime he does some interview it shows how stupid he is and how his mind operates.
>>71602744
The rest of your post is laughable. I could ask you to define "death" and watch you struggle as you try and fail to reconcile the two statements "superman died" and "superman's death is meaningful" but that's just a waste of time. You are genuinely unable to see yourself objectively, I've never talked to someone this completely blind before. As if being a superhero movie, a genre in which no main character ever dies, didn't do enough to remove all sense of tension from this film, killing and resurrecting a character will forever neuter and sense of risk that superman will die. The only thing that died is the suspension of disbelief.
Don't let my condescending attitude dissuade you though, you are completely free to make the case that superman's death was meaningful and served the story somehow, I'm open to listen to it but if you do it better be good, I don't have any more patience to listen to your low grade resurrection apologism.
>>71602363
Wait, Superman dies in this shit? Why?
>>71603087
You haven't seen BvS have you? because it literally spoonfeeds it to you, more than once actually.
>>71603087
>It's not a meta-commentary. Snyder is not the smart guy you all make him out to be.
It gets dialogue exposition in BvS and visually told to you in BvS that people reducing him to symbol are ignorant.
It gets spoken out loud.
in dialogue.
>>71603137
Then Snyder is dissing himself, because he does Jesus symbolism to anything everytime it's possible
Also, not only Jesus symbolism, other stuff from the bible as well
>>71603109
you know I just saw the film a few days ago and I can't even remember how he dies.
>>71603087
>>71603098
>arguments of the kinoblind
>>71603160
>>71603137
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/14/showbiz/zack-snyder-man-of-steel/
>When we started to examine the Superman mythology, in the most classic sense, I really wanted to press upon the film the 'why' of him, which has been 75 years in the making," Snyder told CNN. "The Christ-like parallels, I didn't make that stuff up. We weren't like, 'Hey, let's add this!' That stuff is there, in the mythology. That is the tried-and-true Superman metaphor. So rather than be snarky and say that doesn't exist, we thought it would be fun to allow that mythology to be woven through."
Now kill yourself
>>71603188
>, other stuff from the bible as well
Yeah I don't know well those painting references sit with the reducing to symbol=ignorance narrative but there's hell of a lot material that actually fits to it, I will need a rewatch to think about the painting stuff
>>71603226
Except BVS makes it an explicit point of how people reducing him to symbolism are ignorant.
That interview was outside of the film so it doesn't even matter within the context of the film, which is only what we see in the film
>>71603087
donnerman did that shit too
and singer pulled that shit to make the direct comparison and nothing more
and in regards to that picture, so what? what's the problem here, so far the allusions to christian theology as so far off the mainstream idea of christ and even imply heretical ideas about how snyder views humanity, i don't see how this is all 'hamfisted' when the guy is being more or less direct
you're not even criticizing anything really, you're just pointing at a word in a sentence and saying "no!"
and fuck off with that snyder intelligence bullshit. no one here actually cares
>>71602993
The fact is, it works on multiple different levels.
On one level, it's the people of Clark's world looking at him and seeing a god figure, sometimes a savior deity, sometimes a sun deity, sometimes a sky deity.
On another level, it's a visual metaphor for what it is to be Superman - just a regular guy trying to be a hero when your nature(alien) and environment(Earth) conspire to make everything you do appear godly.
On yet another more meta level, it's him, as the first superhero, being the sacrifice that elevates a drab, mundane, "realistic" world into the sort of reality that has a place for gods and heroes.
Or it's all just meaningless. Choose your world, anon.
>>71603268
You are a beautiful poster anon
>>71603188
It uses things from other religions as well, it's more to drive the similarity between these mythological tales and superman, and how people will notice the natural similarities between them.
>>71603226
>>71603226
I don't think that means what you think it does.
>>71603259
>lalala what Snyder said doesn't count
accept it, Snyder is a pleb
>>71598649
They Had to reshoot 90% of the film
>>71598333
All-Star Superman was based af. I never got to check out Red Son though
>>71603226
Except that DOES NOT make the point of reduced to symbol=ignorance moot at all. It even strengthens it.
Goddamit anon learn to read what is being argued over!
>>71603098
so now we just can't have death and resurrection in movies at all?
superman's death was meaningful in the story, this part is undeniable, we see batman's reaction and the synopsis of justice league proves what we've all been saying the whole time
there's nothing wrong with giving the film audience a little hint at the end of the movie, regardless of the fact that this so happens to be a superman movie
>>71603109
He got aids from ramming Bruce's asshole and Lois found out and killed him.
![sallyanne[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/ImBo5Pp.gif "sallyanne[1].gif")
>>71601265
You're imparting your knowledge of the events upon the characters. Characters who had no way of knowing what you know.
This is a symptom of autism.
Where does sally look for her ball?
>>71603204
bullshit, you see him get impaled followed by a 15 minute funeral scene, that lasts in your memory
>>71603268
it's also a commentary on how superman can't be kept down, superman as a character has somehow achieved a place within comic books and fans that he can't be kept down
>>71601333
Yeah. The vast majority of shitposters who trash the movie sound remarkably unintelligent.
>>71601405
she was at the docks when doomsday came out of the ship. She had no access to a television or phone the entire time. She was too busy saving superman from batman to know anything about doomsday
Superman's death was meaningful for multiple reasons.
Shows Clark is ready to die for Lois Lane, for Earth.
Shows the empathy Clark has towards Earth (as his home) and the opposite (later) the empathy Earth population has towards Clark.
Unites Bruce and Diana in their quest to find the known metahumans.
Makes Earth accept metahumans
In the monument scene I find it quite important that he isn't referred to as 'Superman' but 'he', a person and not a symbol or figure, showing the way changed attitude wrt. to him (then again, USofA only gives him a military funeral which again shows one track thought)
Plus the death scene was emotional as hell to me
>>71598561
what a dope cake
>>71598333
>Posting the list here if someone else is like, that has never read a DC or Marvel comic and wants to read stuff that influenced Snyder.
Superman Birthright plays a role in MoS (Supes) and BvS (Lex).
>>71603495
after dying from, and resurrecting from, the nuke, clark already knew he couldn't die.
>Supes' personal quest for acceptance in Man of Steel is complicated by him being a superhero that – in Snyder’s own words – is “literally Biblical” – something that’s emphasized through the film with religious symbolism and allegory. Snyder’s logic, as he explained, is that Kal-El is fundamentally a being with God-like powers, whose self-appointed responsibilities to humanity conflicts with his own personal interests in a big way:
>“A very large part of Superman has stayed on Krypton, but he can’t leave his adopted country because if he does the whole world could be destroyed. If he steps in to save everyone, he’ll never be accepted as a normal guy. It’s not an easy choice. Because after all that sacrifice, what does humanity have to offer Clark? You have to admit, it’s not much. In one scene, a priest tells Clark to take a ‘leap of faith.’ And that’s pretty much it for Superman. By the way, his Kryptonian name of Kal-El means ‘God’ in Hebrew.” (It actually translates as “Voice of God.”)
>>71603427
we're using the fucking shots in the fucking movie to back up what we're saying
lois was at the planet when perry told her to check out the ship, then later told batman and superman that something was going on at the ship and that it must be lex,
later, we're given a bunch of shots of her witnessing events in the movie, like doomsday falling down and superman tackling doomsday into the explosion.
when the camera cuts back to her we see her processing what she's seeing and hear the monster roar as she turns back for the spear.
this by no means is some huge leap of logic
This sequence is better than anything Marvel has ever done.
>>71603605
>Because after all that sacrifice, what does humanity have to offer Clark? You have to admit, it’s not much.
Bravo Snyder
>>71603589
he didn't die from the nuke, fuck your bullshit
>>71603614
lois had no way of seeing any of those shots. Shes chilling at the docks and some explosions happen across the river/bay.
>>71603660
nigga he was all fucking corpsified from the nuke.
>>71603605
>>“A very large part of Superman has stayed on Krypton, but he can’t leave his adopted country because if he does the whole world could be destroyed
blatantly false within context of mos and bvs because the terrors that earth has faced from outer space are only because of Kal-El/CLark Kent being in Eartht
they'd be in fucking Venus if Superman was in Venus and not on Earht and Earth would be save(d)
>>71603614
I'm actually inclined to agree. no the same anon, but I rewatched the UE for the third time and realized that Batman figures out that Doomsday is Kryptonian fairly quickly, without being told. Lois is very intelligent, so why would she not be able to?
>>71603631
>like, ew, why are all these people touching me, i just flew out of the sky and saved a girl from a burning building, ew, go away.
what a great superman
