Now I like Man of Steel less because of Batman v Superman
All that talk about developing Superman as a character and addressing the no kill code after he had to kill Zod went down the toilet
They didn't address Superman having to kill Zod at all and for all we know he still has no problem with killing, seeing how he said he would have to kill Batman if he didn't listen.
The only thing addressed was the destruction, and it was just strawmanning the critics.
Also he became even more mopey and depressed when he was supposed to be shaping up to be the "ideal of hope" that Superman is.
In other words, BvS was a step back, instead of a step forward in the development of Superman.
Anyone else sharing this feeling?
Life is not black and white and this the reason bvs is the greatest superhero movie of all time
He also killed the terrorist holding a gun to Lois' head, and Snyder also made Batman a killing machine.
In other words, it's an adaptation that shits on what both characters should stand for.
>>71565228
Reminder: we could have gotten a MoS extended cut
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3DrtXthS7bA
>>71565369
>Dcucks actually believe this
You act like a superhero movie has never dealt with that idea before, when almost all of them do.
>>71565399
Snyder doesn't understand the characters. It's almost as if WB gave him a printout of each character's abilities, what they look like, and told him to get to work with his shitty CG and filters.
>>71565228
They didn't address Superman having to kill Zod at all
Except for the fact that he literally comes back to haunt him from the dead in the form of Doomsday.
Couldn't be more on-the-nose you imbecile. He even bashes Clark with one of the pillars with the names of the people that died in the World Engine incident, the people Clark failed to save and were haunting his conscience. This guilt is also addressed in the mountaintop scene.
Not to mention pic related.
Remove yourself from the gene pool, you imbecile.
>Lex makes Zods dead body into Doomsday
>Lex punishing Superman for his perceived sins
>Final battle literally the ghost of the country sequences of the battle of Metropolis
>Doomsday kills Superman the same fashion as Zod killed Jor El
Pack it up pham.
>>71565527
>>71565525
More recycled than Dark Souls 3
>>71565525
So what? That's driving the plot, not giving any characterization, retard
And the people who died in the incident is related to the destruction, not him having to kill Zod, like I said before
>>71565525
>>71565527
>They didn't address Superman having to kill Zod at all and for all we know he still has no problem with killing, seeing how he said he would have to kill Batman if he didn't listen.
>The only thing addressed was the destruction
Try again
>>71565525
>that pic
K I N O
>>71565467
>Snyder doesn't understand the characters.
confirmed retard
>>71565700
Thanks for letting us know.
Hey, everyone, this anon is a confirmed retard.
>>71565726
GOOD ONE
>>71565446
Ya cap America civil war bruh
>>71565527
also
>Superman literally prepared to die, twice, to prevent more deaths from Lex
>>71565525
>picture contrasts three sets of images in a manner that implies they're parallel
>the images are similar only in the vaguest sense
Is this what is meant by grasping at straws?
>>71565780
How does that address the no kill code?
>>71565774
Are you implying that isn't the main theme of that movie?
>>71565415
>we could have gotten a MoS extended cut
Why they released one for this and not for MOS?
>>71565790
what?
>>71565814
>All that talk about developing Superman as a character and addressing the no kill code after he had to kill Zod went down the toilet >>71565228
>>71565812
Because it got shit on so hard and they're trying to salvage their universe.
>>71565839
no kill ever rules are fucking retarded, i really don't care about them.
>>71565556
>>71565790
>>71565839
>>71565561
>>71565789
>low iq idiots
>>71565905
But I care, and they actually said that Superman killing Zod was what would have prompted him to have a no kill code
>>71565973
source?
for all we know it could still develop into that, but I hope they don't since it's one of the most autistic things comics have done.
>>71565789
>vaguest
It's literally the same shit. You're probably one of those people who claim TFA is not a copy of ANH.
>>71565996
"It’s a real world problem. And I think the effect on Superman, it is a deeply difficult decision for him to make. It’s not a thing that he takes lightly, and you can see it affects him pretty profoundly. And maybe we’ll see the repercussions of that in the next film. How that’s affected him, making that decision."
>>71566017
They're not "literally" the same you buffoon. I have no idea what either acronym refers to and I don't want to.
>>71566104
This though was when there was no plans to do BvS, and the "next film" was Man of Steel 2
>>71566104
So a "maybe" from something he said before the film even got written or rewritten when he thought MoS 2 was happening?
>>71566140
Yeah. The thing is: that was supposed to be addressed in the next movie. A development in the franchise.
That didn't happen, thus making me like Man of Steel less, because this was set up in it didn't have a follow up in BvS.
>>71565228
Just watched the movie, why was The Flash a spic with a pencil mustache?!?
That bothered me more than that jewish skeleton
>>71566140
>>71566199
Also, BvS was basically the MoS 2 script rewritten
>>71566240
and then BvS was also rewritten too.
>>71566114
>taking literally literally
>Not knowing The Force Awakens and A New Hope and expecting people to take your opinion seriously.
comic are such garbage
>you shall not kill your enemies even when they wish to destroy earth because we're a friendly censored comic who can't show blood
Why is it so important that Superman doesn't kill? He's going up against planet-destroying soulless monsters, just snap the fucker's neck!
>>71566267
>using literally ever
>using meme acronyms and expecting cultured non memers to understand
Swine.
>>71566323
This, it actually makes sense for Batman and it's why him killing in BvS tells a lot about his character.
>>71566323
>>71566371
You need to be above the age of 18 to post here.
>>71566400
not an argument
>>71566436
>actually underage
reported
>>71566452
>announcing reports
reported
>>71566436
>lmao why does he care so much about murdering?
>i kno right? it's just some worthless humans
Argument not needed. Common sense is like axiomatic knowledge, you'll get it eventually, once you reach eighteen.
>>71566363
>cultured
>doesn't know common acronyms in western culture
Get out.
>>71565399
this
>>71566530
>superbeing is killing millions of people at once
>"i can't kill him, that'd make me just as bad as him!"
>>71565399
Did he really kill the terrorist? I mean, of course no one could have survived that, but Snyder is a dumbass and exaggerates everything. So maybe in his mind that just hurt the guy.
>>71566531
>meme in a chineese video streaming chatroom webpage
>westen culture
>>71566587
He went full speed at him, taking him through 3 walls, his insides are sandnigger stew.
>>71566017
You are misusing the word.
>>71566608
>TFA and ANH are memes because I didn't know what they ment
They are used by most people who discuss the movies on any forum because actually typing the titles out would be ridiculous.
Not knowing the acronym of one of the biggest movies of last year just shows you have no business discussing movies.
>>71566564
>>"i can't kill him, that'd make me just as bad as him!"
I would accuse you of employing a straw man argument but I realize that you're being honest right now. This is genuinely the only opposition you believe someone might have when faced with the prospect of having to kill someone. Your understanding of morality is so shallow that when you try to imagine why superman or anyone else for that matter would have issues with killing a person you're only able to come up with such easily dismissible reasons.
>>71566267
Learn your words before attempting social media.
>>71566743
>using "literally" as a hyperbole is now "misusing"
Get creative normie.
>>71566745
Try as you might you won't be able to dismiss my criticism. That picture was bullshit and your puny attacks on my character won't change that. If anything not discussing such terrible movies would be a sign of good taste.
>>71565228
why was lois lane in the movie at all?
why did batman just throw aside the super rare kryptonite spear?
why did lois lane awkardly throw it in the water?
why didn't wonder woman stab doomsday since she's not affected by kryptonite?
why was the dialogue so on the nose about superman=god and constant pseudo-philosophical monologues about the human condition?
was wonder woman really necessary?
how come batman and superman became friends so quickly after just attempting to murder each other?
why was lex luthor such a faggot?
were the comical dream sequences necessary?
why did it feel more like a set up for a sequel than a standalone movie?
why do some people like this shitshow of a movie?
>>71565525
BvS was unironically too intelligent for plebs. it's pretty amazing that a capefilm was too intelligent for most people yet here we are.
>>71566759
you typed so much but said so little in that post
>>71566759
the irony of this post lmao
Serious discussion?
That was already done months ago. Only thing left to do is rejoice at capekino.
Will dump some content.
http://m.imgur.com/a/foSdR
>>71566767
>not knowing what exaggeration for comedic effect is
Saying something is literally the same when it's clearly not doesn't mean the person who claims it's literally the same actually means it's literally the same.
The fact that I have to explain this is probably an indication that you're American. Your education system has failed you.
>>71566759
How the fuck are you going to tell a monster like Doomsday to take some time out on the naughty step and think about what they did?
http://www.manofsteelanswers.com/lex-luthor-explained/
http://www.thegekdom.com/home/2016/4/30/a-thesis-on-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice
>>71566879
>>71566859
Meme replies with no content.
>>71566921
Whether or not superman should or shouldn't kill is completely irrelevant to the fact that him having concerns about killing is a normal thing. Only a child completely removed from the reality of what it means to seriously hurt someone would think that it's a no brainer. If you thought I'm arguing that superman should do this or that you've misunderstood me.
>>71566880
people can't stop talking about BvS because it was 1) the best capefilm ever made and 2) too intelligent for retards.
so you have idiots mindlessly bashing it and patricians recognizing its genius
>>71567060
jesus christ are you actually autistic?
Great, the thread devolved into retarded capekino posts that don't have anything to do that was presented in the OP
>>71567060
Having reservations to the extent he does about stopping obviously evil creatures actively engaged in the massacre of innocents indicates a disturbing detachment from humanity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT2ibhHeSEA
Do they browse /tv/?
>>71566805
>the picture is bullshit because it refutes my claim that there has been put no thought into this movie I don't like
Yea, no. I'm pretty sure the similarities are intentional considering Snyder has done similar things before. https://youtu.be/7p5-14rjWUM?t=28m46s
Not to mention the whole intro sequence of Bruce during the destruction of Metropolis.
>>71567167
You seem to be bent on replying to me expressing your disagreement but you're either too lazy or too stupid to actually put it to words. I was half joking when I called you underage before but it looks like I was right.
>>71567285
holy shit you are, i was joking you fucking sperg.
Is it, dare I say.../pol/kino?
>>71567223
I don't care about whether this movie has had thought put into it as much as I take pleasure at exposing memers like you who desperately try to find interpretations of the movie that make it look deeper than it is because they like it and feel a need to justify their liking it. I haven't even seen man of steel outside of this picture, I'm just calling bullshit where I see it. The part where someone gets pierced by a spike I could see being intentional, but the way the shots were filmed isn't really frame for frame pottery.
I love how actual discussion of this movie begins only after a good torrent comes out. Literally everything before it was making fun of its RT score and the flash scene.
>>71565700
>Snyder: But Batman shoots people in TDKR!!!!
This is how little he understands the characters. He references the few comics that casuals know and appropriates the visuals without caring about the characters.
>>71566834
No one has answers to any of those questions because Snyder's a hack.
>>71567577
>i don't understand batman: the post
>>71567518
> The part where someone gets pierced by a spike I could see being intentional, but the way the shots were filmed isn't really frame for frame pottery.
The backpedaling is delicious. You "critics" are all the same. You haven't exposed anything really. Someone noticed a similarity between MoS and BvS and you claim you exposed some memers.
Kill yourself now.
>>71567621
No one answered the questions because it was b8
>>71567704
>I'll just call it b8 so i don't have to respond to genuine questions
>>71567778
Cool.
>>71567677
>So buttblasted all I can do is strawman people
>>71567577
>Batman/Superman is hard to understand.
This is such a dumb critique.
Reinventions, different takes on characters we know. Do you understand this concept?
Yes, you didn't get what you wanted, get over it.
>>71567690
What kind of mental gymnastics am I witnessing here? Not only have you branded me as "a critic" and attached all sorts of assumptions and implications, which I would've forgiven had you admitted that those frames aren't similar, you now changed my argument and simultaneously said I'm backpedaling??? Anon I hate to correct you but it's only backpedaling if I change my argument, if you change it for me it's called a strawman.
It looks like I won't get you to admit that the similarity between MoS and BvS are very weak. That much was to be expected, given how you're grasping hard for anything you could find. Weak similarities, strong similarities, it's all the same to you.
>>71567820
go home /v/
>>71567778
>>71567820
These are literally troll threads, you morons. No one is actually stupid enough to believe BvS is good. Just stop falling for the bait, idiots.
>>71565399
>He also killed the terrorist holding a gun to Lois' hea
proof
anything. snyder confirmation or a deleted scene showing him dead will do
>>71567864
(You)
>>71567858
>So buttblasted all I can do is strawman people
>>71567877
We infer it because he flew through the air and broke a concrete wall.
>>71565615
>for all we know he still has no problem with killing
confirmed for not seeing Man of steel
Superman was in pieces over it
>>71565726
hi .reddit!! :D
>>71566634
Bad bait.
>>71567972
so you don't know and assume
>>71567621
No one has answered them because most of them are stupid, a lot of them are nitpicks, and ALL of them have already been addressed to death.
But here, I'll play.
>why was lois lane in the movie at all?
Her getting saved by Supes is a crucial element to how Lex finds out how to get Supes to do what he wants.
>why did batman just throw aside the super rare kryptonite spear?
Because he doesn't want to hold the weapon that almost killed the one he just starts to empathize with.
>why did lois lane awkardly throw it in the water?
Because she was afraid that someone else might use it to hurt her husbando.
>why didn't wonder woman stab doomsday since she's not affected by kryptonite?
Because she was kind of busy holding him in place.
>why was the dialogue so on the nose about superman=god and constant pseudo-philosophical monologues about the human condition?
Because it's literally the motivation of the main antagonist.
>was wonder woman really necessary?
Nothing is really necessary, not even you. She was a welcome addition to a lot of people. If you didn't like her, nobody really cares.
>how come batman and superman became friends so quickly after just attempting to murder each other?
Friends is a strong word, more like partners. Because they figured out they had a common enemy.
>why was lex luthor such a faggot?
Because he had a fucked up child hood.
>were the comical dream sequences necessary?
Were these facetious questions really necessary?
>why did it feel more like a set up for a sequel than a standalone movie?
There is maybe 15 minutes of a 180 minute movie devoted to setting up a sequel. But yea, the last shot of Supes returning is a dead giveaway and since it's the last shot that's the feeling people most likely leave with.
>why do some people like this shitshow of a movie?
Because they don't have a sub standard IQ that needs spoon feeding to answer these easy questions.
>>71568177
If they showed us a dead body I would also not know and be forced to assume. You can't know anything other than the fact that your experienced reality is really experienced.
>>71568179
Didn't your schoolteachers teach you anything? You don't start an answer to a question with "because".
Seeing such disgustingly uppercase "Because" fills me with revulsion.
Bat of 2nd degree murder
>>71568232
He probably survived but had some broken bones.
>>71567852
Dude, you're so disingenuous. I could understand if this wasn't an anonymous board, but it's kind of pathetic.
>>71565525
Everything he says makes sense. If you can't accept that, that's fine. Just don't talk about the movie anymore if you're just going to shout: "you're all wrong, because I said so".
He posts a picture and backs it up with internally consistent logic presented by both movies.
You didn't like the movie and that's fine. Just don't deny obvious similarities.
>Yea, but it's not frame by frame identical
Please dude. Are you fucking serious?
>>71568430
I hear it's really deadly if you break your head bone.
>>71568179
this is why you should never reply to the shitposters that pretend to hate this movie
>>71568305
Usually people don't start question without capital letter either. Get over it.
>>71568477
How am I disingenuous? Look at this picture >>71565525
>>71568483
We both know he lived so hurry up and nod your head in approval.
>>71568564
Oh so because your friend committed mistakes that excuses your own? Both of you should be ashamed of yourselves.
>>71568642
How do you know he lived? If he was a real person he would die almost for sure, and this is a "realistic" movie, albeit cape realism.
>>71568611
>Zod kills Jor-El with a spike.
>The reincarnation of Zod kills the reincarnation of Jor-El with a spike.
Has nothing to with each other at all. Come on dude. Just stop.
>>71567577
I guess you forgot about the previous page where the Batman casually shrugs off all the carnage the Mutants reek upon themselves attacking the Bat-Tank. I guess you forgot the scene later in DKR where Bruce unambiguously shoots a gang member.
Who was it that doesn't get the character and the portion of his arc being portrayed again?
>>71568651
nobody is going to read that
>>71568363
does enybody happen to have a clip of batman crawling in the ceiling like a fucking demon from the beginning of the movie?
>>71568666
>You didn't put a comma after the "Oh". You should be ashamed of yourself.
That's how stupid you sound right now.
>>71568717
Your post reminded me why it's so hard to argue with people who can't read. Just forget it, you win.
>>71568731
>unambiguously
Except it's never shown if he hit the gang member or if he just hit the wall
So it is AT LEAST ambiguous, retard
>>71568747
The comma wasn't strictly necessary. How dare you question me.
>>71565228
>for all we know he still has no problem with killing
gosh, they should make a movie or something about what it's like to have a super powerful being living on your planet who has the power of life or death over you.
>>71568780
>The comma wasn't strictly necessary.
Neither is not using "Because" on answers.
>>71568762
It was ambiguous because Miller knew he wouldn't get away with it. He meant for Batman to shoot him in the face. Everybody in the comic business knows.
>>71568918
uh-huh
all the other parts where it's stated Batman doesn't kill, the very end where he refuses to kill the Joker... just random moments in the comic
>people don't understand the significance of Batman killing in self-defense
>people think this means snyder doesn't get the character
why is the internet so autistic
>>71568846
Starting your sentence with "Because" in a way that doesn't join two clauses is quite literally grammatically incorrect.
the needle is in the red 100% of the time—and not in a good way. His mediocre action scenes play like the work of a director who avoids quiet moments because he doesn't know what to do with them. Snyder's take on characters is like a bad comic book artist's take on human anatomy. It's rushed and unconvincing with no unique style to save it.
When there's actual conversation, you don't hear characters breathe (Kevin Costner and Laurence Fishburne, as old man Kent and Perry White, respectively, look downright uncomfortable with the bullshit they've been given to recite). Instead, you feel the writers laying on Screenwriting 101 technique. You can see it like you can see the strings in a bad old UFO special effect. None of this film's million miles of CGI hides it.
>>71569035
nice drivel
>>71569012
>Starting your sentence with "Because" in a way that doesn't join two clauses is quite literally grammatically incorrect.
Not if it's used informally.
because
bJˈkɒz/
conjunction
conjunction: because
for the reason that; since.
"we did it because we felt it our duty"
synonyms: since, as, for the reason that, in view of the fact that, owing to the fact that, seeing that/as
"his classmates liked him because he was very friendly"
antonyms: despite
informal
used to introduce a word or phrase that stands for a clause expressing an explanation or reason.
>>71569035
I feel bad for Costner and Irons. They're too acclaimed and respected to have to subject themselves to this. At least Irons was honest and called it a piece of shit movie.
>>71569079
this, they should star in high-art films like Civil War
>>71569073
Ah, but you didn't even use it informally! Why? Because!
>>71568762
Yeah, I guess the stain on the wall's just conveniently right there where the bullet hole is.
Some of us have actually read these stories, Junior.
>I feel bad for Costner and Irons.
Because this is worst movie they were in right? Watch Waterworld or The Postman to see Costner at his lowest.
Watch The Pink Panther 2, Eragorn, Dungeons & Dragons and literally half of his filmography for Irons.
>>71569119
top kek
>>71569229
Learn to quote properly, newfag.
>>71569060
not an argument, /v/
>>71569292
>/co/tard thinks /v/ is any different
lol!
Doomsday also looks up at an idyllic statue of superman, gazing at it curiously and appearing next to it in the same shade of grey but smaller and monstrous (aka how lex sees supes) before destroying the icon version of the statue with the real superman, then breaking a memorial to the dead over his head.
How much fucking clearer did it need to be
If you liked this movie, the only way to get Terrio to write the 3rd (he's locked in on two, but they've made it much more.."marvelesque") is to:
A. but the Blueray on the 15th (trust me, one of only Bluerays in past decade worth buying
b. Bombard WB autistically telling them you want Terrio to write # 3 with artistic freedom, and for either Affleck or Terrio to direct. THEN we'd gt movie we all want.
>>71569850
Yeah, this really address the "Superman killing" problem, huh?
>>71569873
Thanks, Snyderbot
>>71569882
The creature doing all that is literally the person he directly killed
Are you retarded
>>71569911
>Snyderbot
Synderbot? Synder needs to go. Imagine what we'd have had if Affleck was directing (didn't get the directing oscar for Argo, but all of hollywood knows her should have)? Affleck with a screenplay OScar, Terrio with a Screenplay Oscar-- they need to let Snyder sit in the back and play with the special effects.
He should not be interacting with movies. And the fuckers, when the first cuts began emerging and they didn't like them, they began trying to switch responsibility to terrio.
amazing how they got away with it. I hope they even release another one id sucide squad bombs, and that has "bomb" written all over it.
the whole process has left terrio so fucked up he wants to just start writing plays and maybe TV, he doesn't want to do movies anymore.
>>71570021
So...? How does that address Superman having a no kill rule?
Also
>the person that would stay dead if not for Lex
Lesson learned: it's ok to kill people if there isn't a lunatic to turn them into zombie monsters
>>71569882
The truth is, Superman's never been above resorting to killing an opponent if left with no other choice. It's just that when you operate on Superman's level, you've got a lot of choices.
It was his reluctance to kill Zod that lead to a lot of the carnage in the first place. It is this moral quandary and guilt that leaves him feeling conflicted in the aftermath of the Battle of Metropolis.
However, much like Gandalf notes about Bilbo's merciful treatment of Gollum, Clark's own compassion and mercy are simultaneously his greatest weakness and greatest strength, for without them, Bruce would have never lived long enough for Clark's subsequent bravery against Doomsday to awaken the slumbering hero at the heart of this Batman.
Pic related? Nah, probably just coincidence.
>>71569206
>>71568918
Where was she shot then? Where was that mutant shot at to make that mark on that wall? Answer me. You can't, because you don't know, which means it's ambiguous, which means Batman didn't kill her. Go back to wherever the hell you idiots get your basic knowledge of the comics from.
>>71570429
You know, without Superman ever coming to Earth, Batman would never have started to murder people in the first place. You could argue that Superman planted the seed of doubt into Batman's heart in the first place. But I guess your picture is just coincidence, huh retard?
>>71565228
The more they try to fix Cavill's hairline the more stupid it looks
>>71566880
That pic
>Zack "since i dont get two icons that have had stories retold for over 80 years
Im just going ti reuse cinnemtagoraphy from older movies and sprinkle a few references" 2 Deep 4 U'der
The main theme of Snyder's "Batman v Superman" on spiritual dematerialism is not eschatological, but a phenomenological ontology. Thus he implies that we have to choose between predialectic construction and deconstructivist neodialectic theory, essentially Heideggerian as seen in the concept of Dasein. The subject is interpolated then into a cinematic dematerialism that includes spirituality as a whole. But if the Kierkegaardian worldview holds, we have to choose between the cultural paradigm of expression and atomism. In Snyder's own "Man of Steel" he has a character says that "the world's too big”. Inherent in this is how the function of Lebenswelt (cinematically translated by Snyder as "world of life") operates in all his films, chiefly in "Sucker Punch" and "300". We see a phenomenological approach to the world showing a cinematic logic that presupposes a strucutral constraint in rootedness, another intentionality central to his filmography and philosophy. Because "metaphysical comfort" is not an object of temporality per se, but rather an aspect of automatic condition, as suggested by Cavell. Hermeneutic interpretations are also apparent in his post-"Watchmen" movies; in fact the interchangeable subjectivities are but another representation of Husserl's and Wittgenstein's "form of life". As his academic hero Heidegger succintly noted, "freedom is the ‘abyss’ of Dasein, its groundless or absent ground". This is essentially the thesis operating in Snyder's films.
>>71571754
“Art is intrinsically meaningless,” says Ben Affleck. The primary theme of BvS' analysis of Sontagist camp is a mythopoetical totality. The characteristic theme of the works of Snyder is the common ground between society and language. But the premise of dialectic superheroism holds that the establishment is capable of social comment. The subject is interpolated into a social realism that includes narrativity as a whole.
“Society is unattainable,” says Kal-El. It could be said that Luthor uses the term ‘neomaterial desituationism’ to denote not sublimation, but presublimation. If social realism holds, the works of Snyder are an example
of purposeful superhero movies, also known as "capekino."
In a sense, Marveldrones promote the use of postdeconstructive objectivism to attack capekino. The subject is contextualised into a neomaterial desituationism that includes reality as a reality.
But dialectic superheroism suggests that culture serves to entrench outmoded, elitist perceptions of capeshit. Terrio uses the term ‘neomaterial desituationism’ to denote a self-supporting totality.
>>71565228
Listen lad, the only on-screen time Clark felt bad for killing a madman who MURDERED thousands and planned to kill EVERY SINGLE FUCKING human being on Earth was when he snapped his neck and screamed in disgust for what he had to do to save the people he loved.
Two years have passed since then. Do you think they should have to shove in a scene where he's all like "MUH POOR ZOD! ;_;" or "I KILLED THE LAST ONE OF MY SPECIES :(((" when that guy is responsible for killing many innocents and got so close to annihilating the entire human species?
Answer. NO. Clark feels responsible for accidentally brining the other Kryptonians on Earth, he got over being sad for a genocidal maniac who explicitly said he wanted him death, threatened his mother and destroyed Metropolis.
And that's exactly what anyone would do.
Comic-book fans are idiots when they stick to rule so literally it becomes a total, COMPLETE nonsense.
Why should they address his no kill rule? Why should they bring back Zod's rampage as an argument against the no kill rule?
PS: I'm not going to justify killing the terrorist, but not because Clark shouldn't have done it, but because Superman is supposed to be faster than a bullet and he should have been able to neutralize him without killing him.
Also, I bet you think Superman killing Faora and Zod in Superman II was a-okay, right?
>his mother has the same name as mine
>thats why ill let him go even though i planned to kill him for 2 years
Seriously?
>>71571754
This is satire right?
>>71572000Postmodernism Generator
>>71571954
>the guy who I planned to kill for 2 years actually has a family he cares for
>he was blackmailed to fight me or see her die
>realizes his struggle was for nothing
>realizes he was also fooled into hating him with all the fake letters
>realizes Luthor is no good and was behind everything
>realizes he just became a tool for Luthor and became the monster he feared to become
>wants to prove himself as the man he wanted to be by saving his mother's life, who happen to share his own mother's name thus giving him motivation
whoa, man
truly a difficult concept
I UNDERSTAND it was rushed and everything and that it could have been handled better, but it was not poor writing by all means
the message is there, and easily understandable
>>71565228
I thought BvS was a solid 6.
I think the ultimate cut might improve it from the looks of it, still the franchise lacks solid footing and might crumble soon if they don't manage to fix it. You can't build a house with no foundation.
>>71572134
>realizes Luthor is no good and was behind everything
lol
he looked into Lex' files and only realized Luthor was no good after he kidnapped the alien's mom?
>>71572196
Also
>Luthor probably wanted Batman to get the files because it was the only way to know about kryptonite
>He wanted Batman to see the Meta-human research as well, for some fucking reason
Jesus Christ, it gets worse the more you think about it
>>71565228
It's pretty frigging sad when Batman directly saves more people in MoS via his intro sequence than Superman did in his own movie. Shit, he probably saves more lives than Superman in both.
Snyder is very good at framing shots, but shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the big chair.
>>71572294
>Superman doesn't save people
>Saves Lois in Africa
>Saves Mexican girl from burning building
>Saves crewmembers on ship in the Arctic
>Saves people from a flood
>Rescues injured from Senate bombing in Ultimate Cut
>Saves Lois again after being thrown off a building
>Saves the entire human race from Doomsday by enduring an atom bomb and being pierced from Doomsday's spike while stabbing it with Kryptonite spear, sacrificing himself for the third fucking time for humanity
Yeah, you're full of shit. Quit sucking Batman's cock.
>>71570845
I don't need to know where she was shot to know she was shot. How's that for an answer? Or are you seriously going to try to argue that the shot frightened her into a heart attack and the stain just so happened to only appear in any previous panel just because Miller decided, "Hmm, that wall could use a totally unrelated stain," anon?
>>71570908
I can't believe you're so stupid to not understand how that just furthers my own point. I refuse to believe that.
>>71572661
I didn't say that he didn't save people. Just that he didn't save many in MoS.
Meanwhile Bruce evacuates a building that looks like it holds a good few hundred worker bees and helps people in the rubble.
This is a problem when you're trying to make a movie about someone who's iconic as a saviour fighting someone who's iconic as a vigilante.
>inb4 but it's an adaptation bruh, can you even into different forms of media
If you're not going to use the most significant aspects of a character, why even use them at all?
Let's face it, what Snyder really wanted to do was had Rorschach and Doctor Manhattan face off again but that's a different movie and one of them is dead. So he shoehorned them into Batman and Superman respectively.
>>71571784
>Also, I bet you think Superman killing Faora and Zod in Superman II was a-okay, right?
It's a no-win scenario - half of them are too blinded by nostalgia and their own intellectual dishonesty to admit that's what happened, and the other half are too autistic to understand that just because we don't see their deaths doesn't mean they survived.
It's like a Kobayashi Maru of retards.
>>71573284
>implying I even like Superman II
>>71572237
Lex liked people to know precisely how he was fucking them once it was too late for them to do anything about it. It feeds his ego to show people the pieces and watch them fail to put them together.
"You should not pick a fight with this person."
>>71573367
If you didn't like it, you're not a defender of it, which means that such a dichotomy is inapplicable to you. It is perfectly applicable to people who claim Reeve Superman adhered to a no-kill rule, though.
>>71572668
The point being, you can be shot and not die. You could also see she is falling along with the child. Some people, when shot at, tend to become frightened and do things like drop what's in their hands and fall down. A hard concept to grasp, I know. Knowing where she is shot would help to explain the stain. That, or like you said, it's unrelated. They were in a pretty shitty part of town.
>>71573549
Snyder is the one who thinks the no kill rule comes from the Reeve movies and not the comics, because he's stupid and only pretends to read comics
>“Well, what’s funny about that rule is that it exists in the movies but it doesn’t really exist in the comic books,” replied Snyder. “He’s killed Zod a couple times in the comic books.”
He even says "a couple of times" when it was actually just once and the whole fucking reason he came up with a no kill rule afterwards
>>71572790
Actually, it doesn't further your point, but contradicts. It's an ass backwards conclusion you came to from flawed logic.
>Batman would never have lived long enough
Batman could have lived to be 180 and not once would he have stooped to murdering the criminals he was going against, had it not been for Superman. Superman is not shown to be a forced for good in this series that Zack Snyder is producing. Superman is a uncaring,sniveling sociopath whose only check on reality is a dying mother and a much older woman he has only known for two years.
>>71573550
Yeah, but it's conveniently absent from all prior panels. That's some rather sparse straws you're grasping there. Also, I never said he killed her, although it is entirely possible. I'm merely making the point that having a cavalier attitude about manslaughter and shooting people is entirely within the bounds of DKR Batman, which is inarguably the stage of his career being depicted in BvS.
>>71573760
Ah,so basically, you don't get my point at all. Allow me to state it more plainly.
Clark realizes that he can only make his decisions based off of his own moral compass just like anyone else. Being a hero is more than just your actions in the moment; it's just as much about facing the consequences of your decisions.
He fully recognizes that he's partially responsible for Bruce acting the way he is. It's that understanding coupled with his own compassion that make him so reluctant to kill Bruce in the first place. That's why he opens with the line, "Bruce, I was wrong."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxV99PYX37c
it was dookie
>>71573976
Except, as you so well know, since you OBVIOUSLY read the comic, that never once does Batman kill in DKR, since it is shown he repeatedly restates throughout he does not kill, AND it is further proven from other characters from within the narrative totally outside of his realm of acknowledgment that Batman does not kill. I'm arguing that it's NOT possible to have a Batman that kills, since Batman, everything about his being, from his origin, to his training, to his entire career as a crime fighting vigilante, is strongly and without refute, is of the understanding that there can be absolutely no killing, and to do so otherwise, whether in depiction or merely for argument's sake, would be to go against the spirit and the very foundation of his character. So please, stop talking about these things in which you clearly and obviously have no idea about.
>>71566834
>>71567621
these questions get answered every time and people still keep posting it over and over. what's the point
>>71565228
literally any movie where an unambiguous good guy kills the unambiguous bad guy no one fucking cares
but because muh superman everyone loses their shit
its a step forward in the development of superman
that last moment with lois is the standard for superman from now on
>>71566318
that's the fucking thing about it
this comic 'lightness' doesn't exist out of some intrinsic nature of the comics, but because of how they're perceived by society, which has been constantly changing since the beginning
this shit isn't about 'values' or 'morals' but of the modern phenomena of wanting to supposedly protect the 'innocence' of kids
>>71567060
except superman didn't willingly kill zod you fucking sanctimonious asshole
he literally has no other choice, and the only reason he had the chance to kill him was because zod lost his focus on the fight. their whole fight zod was fucking overpowering superman in every way because of his fucking life of military life.
the movie very clearly showed that it was not an easy thing for him to do, that caused him a lot of pain, but there was nothing else he could have done. shit's tragic, and that's absolutely fine
>>71568715
clark kent
"i didn't kill those men if that's what they're saying"
>>71570056
>they began trying to switch responsibility to terrio.
who's they
>>71570429
>Pic related? Nah, probably just coincidence.
thanks brah, i thought i was the only one who kept hammering on this
>>71565525
This thread was over and OP was BTFO since this post. Everything else is just whining.
>>71576437
Sure, samefag
>>71574543
Yeah, it's shown that he doesn't kill, but has little problem with allowing people to kill themselves through their own stupidity. That's what his inner monologue is saying during his first big confrontation with the Mutants.
He's sitting there in a tank that can't be breached by anything "of this world" while the Mutants hit it with small arms, explosive rounds, and anti-tank weaponry that's just ricocheting off and exploding among them. His attitude is "Oh well, them's the breaks."
But I'm sure all those guys are just fine.
>>71576756
not involved in that conversation, but i appreciated how the movie in a way cut the shit of how a figure like batman would have to function, as a completely brutal wrecking ball as clark said
his whole shtick is fear, and that doesn't work if you pretty much know that there's no stakes for you. there has to be that very real chance of losing everything
so the indifference to their deaths i think is completely fair
>>71576944
I don't disagree, but at the same time, I hope they show him operating more in everyone's comfort zone during subsequent appearances. The prequel comic that focused on him makes a point of the fact that he's more brutal and callous since his return, and it will be a nice contrast showing how he carried himself through the bulk of his career and moving ahead.
I like the fact that the story they're giving us is being presented in a non-linear fashion. Going that route gives everything an air of mystery that will get filled in as the story moves forward. I mean, we still don't even know what really happened to Robin and what prompted Bruce to retire in the first place.
>>71572831
Superman saved the entire human race in MoS. If that seems like a cop out to you (it isnt) then he saves a bus full of kids, an oil rig, a fighter pilot, that family at the end, Lois several times, his mother etc
How much fucking rescuing do you need to see superman do to be satisfied?
>>71577610
oh yeah, totally, i just think that the 'he must absolutely by no circumstance' be part of the cause of deaths of teh bad guys is asinine. as we all know, prior batmen have killed and the first guy had no qualms about it, so we shouldn't even be having this discussion in the first place
as terrio said, his intention was not to say "oh, so here's this character" but to show that they've been here the whole time, i thought that was done well
the main thing about batman and what his depiction is here depends on one scene though
"criminals are weeds alfred" "take one out another takes its place"
there are so many things that could be worked with here, and i think this is a good place to actually move forward as to how batman deals with his "garden".
the movie is full of details and dialogue that plant seeds for people to speculate on, while giving them ample leg room to eventually fill in these spaces and also create new ones.
affleck has said that to him batman is a detective noir type thing thats inline with the maltese falcon. i am so fucking down with that, given that the style is also present in the movie and not just the narrative
>>71577932
I would absolutely love a Batman film that finally focuses more on the detective angle.
Capekino is upon us
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>>71565399
He didn't, said so in the movie in the bathtub scene
It's retarded, but true
>>71565399
I don't know where this meme came from, but both Supes and Bats have killed in the comics
Every director will get to decide what type of Supes and Bats they want. We already got the no-kill batman, except in Nolans films, he actually does kill, and so does does Reeves superman. Why it's suddenly a huge issue to people is beyond me
