>beats superman
>doesn't say the most iconic batman line ever written from the comics
>gives up because of the most insane coincidence
>muh louis lane
Directors cut or not, this was shit
>>71542967
I am so so on this 2bh. It does not bother me as much as you do, but Im sure Clark saying 'Mother' would have sufficed.
Also that is the worst looking doomsday I could have imagined
>>71543007
>but Im sure Clark saying 'Mother' would have sufficed.
This
"YOU'RE LETTING THEM KILL MOM!"
"DON'T LET THEM KILL MOM"
"MOTHER!" ," MOM!"
"PLEASE! MY MOM!"
"THEY HAVE MY MOM!"
any mention of his mother in any way would be reason enough for batman to stop killing superman and listen to him for a second
>>71542967
You quite literally didnt get it. Go back and read your funny book.
>>71543138
this is fucking retarded, kiddo I hope you'll never become a writer in your life
Martha was fine
>>71543151
Explain
>>71543138
Who? Seriously. Who?
Supermans mommy? Who could that be in the whole world?
Go save Martha Kent, or go save muh mommy? Which would be better to share right now at this moment?
>>71543187
>you're about to die
>instead of calling out "mom" you call your mother's first name
bullshit
Batman should have just killed superman
Bats is still traumatized from the events of the previous movie.
>>71543187
>Martha was fine
Do you call your mother by her first name?
I don't know anyone who does
>>71543191
It would have humanized him to Bruce
Also batman can't sit around while scum are murdering people
>>71542967
>iconic batman line
What's that?
>>71542967
confirmed 2deep4u
go take your petty muh comicbook canon complaints to >>>/co/ faggot
not much point in arguing with you imbeciles
>>71542967
there are people that honestly didn't understood the martha scene, or is this just a meme?
>>71543215
>call police
>says "burglars are breaking into my house please help!"
>or "burglars are breaking into 16 Edison Ln. where I live please help"
The first should suffice?
>>71543282
>I want you to remember the one man who beat you
>>71543282
>We could have changed the world... now loook at us...I've become a political liability...and you...you're a joke... I want you to remember, Clark...In all the years to come... in your most private moments... I want you to remember my hand at your throat... I want you to remember the one man who beat you...
>people are actually defending this movie
I even liked Man of Steel. But I can't excuse this.
>>71543282
>>71543310
Snyder had nigger general read the line to announce BvS originally, because he was the only one around with a decent voice and Affleck wasn't cast yet.
>>71543298
Not the same
Saying mom and saying martha are the same amount of information to batman as far as what he needs to do
>>71543138
You don't understand the movie.
>>71543310
>they should use line that doesnt fit the plot at all because its in my cartoon
Ugh
>>71543300
>>71543365
that doesn't fit the film
>>71543353
You need it stated to you that Bruce doesn't know Clark Kent is Superman? Well okay
Bruce does not know Clark Kent is Superman.
>>71543365
Gee, it's not like half of Aflecs lines about superman up to that point were about how he was a false god who though he was above mankind or anything. Oh wait, they were exactly that.
>>71543389
>implying Bruce knows who Clark Kents mother is
why the fuck would he know that
>>71543290
For what it's worth the comic he's referring to, The Dark Knight Returns is leagues better than BvS both in the depth of the narrative and the strength of the characters.
If you disagree I strongly suggest that you read it and get back to me.
>>71543353
Martha causes more impact on Batman than "mom"
Bruce let his mom (Martha) die that night
He wouldn't tonight
Jesus fuck ypu mongoloids, stick to Disney
>>71543389
Bruce does not know who "Martha" is
Bruce does not know who "Martha Kent" is
Bruce does not know what's happening to "Martha Kent"
Bruce does not know where "Martha Kent" is
Saying "Martha" gives the same amount of information in this case as "Mom" you still have to explain all the same shit
>>71543310
That's gay. No wonder this movie sucked. Shit source material.
>>71543447
Parents don't have to be named Martha and Thomas to hit home for Bruce
Normal people also don't call their parents by their first names casually when their distressed
>doomsday kills superman by being killed by superman
how the fuck was this approved
I still believe in my idea that DC should forego any shit "universe" fuckery and just make verbatim translations from their renowned comics. Each movie a recast if it needs to.
A direct adaptation from the comic would have blown audiences away.
>>71543509
I was cool with Man of Steel. This movie shit all over that hope.
>>71543460
Batman can find Martha Kent. He cannot find "my mommy"
>Martha Kent, look that up, Alfred.
>A Martha Kent from Smallville, Kansas, disappeared yesterday, sir.
>Did any of Lex Luthor's goons fly there yesterday.
>Yes
>Okay where are they now?
Are they still the same? Are "mommy" and Martha Kent still the same???? Tell me, really.
TELL ME!
>>71543560
>it makes sense if you add lines that were never in the movie
ok
>>71543579
>Alfred, Google "Superman's mom"
>Alfred, Google "Martha Kent"
Same exact results. No difference at all.
>>71542967
such a slow boring fight too
>>71543602
neither thing happened so not sure what the fuck you're arguing
>>71543560
Yes they are
no one disappears after only a day and supes would have told him she was taken anyway making looking up martha kent pointless
supes still would have told him who took her
so you could just skip to the "where are they now" batbullshit
>>71543624
Do you get confused about simple things often?
>>71543460
Superman saying "Martha" causes a shock to Batman
"Save Martha"
Batman is both confused (What did Superman mean by this?) and mad he couldn't save her that night and it stops him from killing Supes
Everything after is explained to him by Lois, did you watch the film?
>>71543684
Read
>>71543497
Also the "everything" you're talking about is just the fact that martha is his mom
So less explaining would have to be done if he just said mom
>Why did he say Martha?
So that Batman would know who to save instead of having something as vague to go on as "my mom".
>Why did Batman stop wanting to kill him?
That brute force intercut of the flashback should tell enough to anyone with a working brain. Batman is Joe Chill now, and he didn't want to be.
I wont entertain any arguments against this. The hangups on the Martha scene dull me from listening to any real criticisms of the film.
>>71543696
Hoping this will be in the solo Batfleck film
>>71543758
again mom gives the same amount of information
Read the thread
bruce as a kid wouldn't have been screaming martha he would have been screaming mom
because he's a kid and has a loving parent
Mom would have triggered his flashback and revelation
>>71543726
what if supes knew bruce's mom was named martha and played it for the shock value?
>>71543812
It's out of character
Superman isn't a manipulator or especially smart in these movies
>>71543282
"You're a big guy"
>>71543812
>>71543860
but i think it's better argument than the "CUZ IT LETS HIM KNOW WHO TO SAVE" as if batman took off directly after hearing the word "Martha"
>>71543860
but a life and dead situation is probably a good chance to play all your cards. superman isn't that clueless, anyway
>this guys about to kill me
>ill beg for the live of my mommy instead of giving him any identifying information about her before he stabs me with this glowy spear
>"Youre letting him kill my mommy!"
>*stabbed*
>>71543939
>"Youre letting him kill my mommy!"
>Batman letting anyone kill anyone elses mommy
He's stlll batman even if he is Bat of Slaughter
Why is everyone moaning? Its clearly obvious that Batman was going to stab his arm to keep him still
>>71543935
He is a journalist and he did know who Bruce was during the fight so i can see this making sense
I still feel like mom would have been a better choice though
>tfw they've ruined both superman and batman again
nolan did so well too
>>71544041
It actively does not make sense.
>>71544063
>nolan did so well too
No
Baleman wasn't batman
He was just a guy in hockey pads
And batman isn't ruined at this point
He is still very redeemable
>>71544096
Which? Mom or him using it against bruce?
What's your argument
>>71544096
>>71543007
>>71543138
How was he supposed to know if batman knew who his mother was? He gave him her fucking name.
>>71544235
Because that one line of dialog wasn't meant to be enough information for him to go save the day
It was just a plea for help
he also doesn't need her name to track her down
In fact it wouldn't help at all
He would just need to know who took her
Her name is irrelevant
>>71543666
He would obviously tell him her name afterwards dumbass. The fact of the matter is saying mom should have the same result to get him to stop fighting. He can give the details afterwards autist
can we all agree that like "save my mother. martha" would have done the job just fine
>>71544544
I'm good with that
>>71544544
I always figured Supes was trying to get out "Martha....Kent" but couldn't get that far. "Save my mom" doesn't give him a lot of info.
>>71544962
Neither does martha kent
This has already been argued
>>71544544
apparently not, snyder wanted it this way so that batman can act baffled as to why he's saying martha and only think about his own mom
>>71544544
I think the scene works because conceptually it's strong enough to stand above a misstep in execution.
If I were to change it, I would go:
>Urghk...Please...!
>he's going t...!
>You...you're...letting him kill Martha...
>Ughhrk
Marvel - 15 movies, no dead heroes
DC - Resorted to dead hero trope in movie 2.
>>71545290
Quicksilver
>>71542967
>>muh louis lane
>mfw they're setting her up to be critically important in the upcoming movies
When will studios realize no one gives a fuck? People are just there to watch their favorite superheroes.
>>71542967
>Superman has Batman totally at his mercy at the begining
>doesn't explain anything, just tosses him around even though his mother's life is in danger
SNYDER YOU FUCKING HACK
>>71543151
>cant backup their argument without resorting to memes.
>>71545593
>Hey bruce i know you we had are differences but this guy lex luthor is trying to do some fucked up shit
>batman tries bursting his ear drums
>Okay cut it out bruce i need your help because lex is going to kill my mom and i don't know what to do. he told me i had to kill you but i don't want to
>batman proceeds to shoot the fuck out of him
>bruce you don't understand
> DIE ALIEN SCUM
>>71545536
>When will studios realize no one gives a fuck?
A lot of people do care about lois.
About to watch it for the first time but should I be watching the original release or this ultimate edition nonsense?
>>71545659
Ultimate
It's better regardless if you actually like the movie or not
>>71545659
pretty universal that the ultimate edition fixes a lot of issues with the theatrical, so why the fuck would you want to watch a lesser version? i hated the film but if the longer cut fixes shit, then thats what you should watch.
>>71545653
I pity those people then.
>>71545659
ultimate>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>theatrical
the flow of the film is much better and I didn't check how long is left on a 3hour film which was strange.
>>71545676
>>71545689
Alright thanks and I was only asking because I wanted to see what the ultimate edition improved upon in the regular release.
>>71545717
Funnily enough, your opinion isn't worth shit apparently, because the writer does care about those people and Lois, so he wrote her as a central point to the plot.
>>71542967
why would bruce tell a guy to remember something in his private moments if he plans on killing the dude right then and there
he doesn't give up, he realizes he's wrong
>>71542967
you fucking retarded cunt, you actually expect batman to say THAT line on their first encounter?
>>71543298
Cops have caller ID
Also
>it's not the cops breaking in to your house
>>71545676
>>71545689
>>71545724
Anon you responded to here. Just got done watching it a little bit ago and honestly, it was pretty shit. The best thing about it was Batfleck.
>>71542967
>beats superman
>doesn't say the most iconic batman line ever written from the comics
there is no point in saying that line, when he is gonna kill him anyway.
>>71548887
fair enough. least you watched it. I look forward to the Batman film
Who the fuck is this
>>71549625
Steppenwolf, one of Darkseid's cronies
