What does /tv/ think of Finding Dory?
>>71471232
Shit.
For me, Finding Dory was the definition of meh. It left me saying, I just kind of wish it wasn't made. A film that tried way to hard to be emotional and was overly stupid at a lot of points. Set pieces and scenes often delve into being too silly. Perhaps the limits set by animation technologie at the time of Finding Nemo, were a good thing, as the restraint in the film makes it all the more enjoyable and engaging. For a while i thought I might be over thinking it, but when Dory and her Octopus companion drive a truck down a freeway, I knew Pixar had gone to far.
That being said, I liked the side characters, especially Hank the Octopus. They we're perfect comic relief and each one was used just the right amount. The film starts off feeling like a badly paced remake of the first film, even going as far to litterally redo the incredible frenzied Shark escape sequence from the first, though this time neither as clever or as funny, and with a giant squid instead. From this point on though, the film manages to find it's own, different, story to tell which left me ever so slightly impressed that the film wasn't a straight redo of the first film, like many were worried from the trailers. However it mirrors style and events closely as not to piss of viewers, worried they will immediately hate anything that's too different. Character arcs in the film are kind of just quickly wrapped up and the pacing isn't anything to be impressed by. Dory isn't a fantastic lead character however they did the best they could with her and it shows. Marlin, the fantastic lead character from the first film, isn't given much to do and often feels kind of awkwardly present.
>>71472277
As far as Pixar sequels go, it's not their worst. As far as Pixar films go, it's not their best. It's a shame this movie will be viewed as better than Monsters University, another of Pixar's sequels that used the lovable sidekick from the first as the main character. Monsters University was unfairly reviewed in my opinion as it is a really solid and funny follow up to the first film with far more endearing characters and storylines than Pixars latest attempt.
You don't wanna know.
>>71471232
First of all, if they were going to make a spin-off it should have been years ago. Secondly, while I like the character of Dory it isn't a "carry a whole movie" character. I'd rather watch 90 minutes of the sea turtles from the original.
Kids might like it though.
It made me well up a couple of times.
And baby Dory was qt
I judge pixar movie quality on wether it makes me cry..
6/10
>>71472277
>>71472294
>>71472379
/thread desu
Lost me at the Septopus driving the truck off the cliff desu.
Would have been a great gag if Dory's parents had dementia and could not remember who she was.
>>71472929
>Would have been a great gag if Dory's parents had dementia and could not remember who she was.
That's a little dark even for pixar, huh?
>>71472531
Agreed.
Baby Dory is possibly the most adorable thing Pixar has ever produced. But on the whole the movie feels repetitive and too many callbacks to the first one. Plus an Octopus driving a truck is fucking retarded but so is talking fish.
7.5-/10 just for the few good feels.
>>71472277
well said. just saw it last night with the gf. was hoping for better but was still slightly suprised how bad it WASNT when the story really starts at the marine institute... definitely felt forced at times as far as emotion goes but not bad for a pixar sequel... 7.5/10
Its 1080rip torrent tier movie,
>>71473516
Thanks. I'd go more a 5-6/10
How has Pixar fallen so far
>>71472294
This, I couldn't believe MU got slammed. It was funny and heartwarming as hell.
>>71472277
this.
its nothing like toys 2 or 3 and isnt a very good sequel but its okay.
Average doesnt quite cut it for me when it comes to pixar films so unforunetly ill lump it into the cars good dinosaw pile where i watch once and forget about them.
>>71473715
>>71474450
gee i dunno anons
>Disney owns them
Thats why
On its own its a 7/10 but its just kind of generic and safe nothing really stands out
>>71471232
‘There are no walls in the ocean” goes the concluding moral of Finding Dory, the latest social message from what can be considered the Disney Doctrine. But what about nature’s great barrier reef, the one known as Taste? Disney’s “happiest-place-in-the-world” corporate philosophy appears to tie in with current open-borders politics. (The better to welcome theme-park visitors, my dear.) The studio’s popular multimedia productions The Little Mermaid, Aladdin, The Lion King, and Frozen have led the diversity trend for so long that Disney’s frivolous yet ideologically loaded entertainment has influenced what many people now perceive as simply the way animated films ought to be made and consumed –as youth indoctrination. In Finding Dory, a sequel to the 2003 blockbuster Finding Nemo, Dory, a blue tang surgeonfish, can’t recall how to get home. With help from her best friend, Nemo, an orange-and-white-striped percula clownfish, she journeys to find her way back to her well-meaning but ineffectual parents. It’s the usual, tiring Pixar formula, but now an element of modern grimness, patterned after the dystopian Wall-E (2008), has been added. It’s a grim cuteness — as in the dimply sound that Ellen DeGeneres uses in voicing the role of Dory: “I suffer from short-term remembery loss,” she gurgles at the beginning.
>>71474549
One’s taste for messaging and for mawkishness will determine one’s response to Finding Dory. Although the specter of dementia and Alzheimer’s disease haunts this Pixar fish tank — especially in the nagging irritation that it all has been seen before — Finding Dory is relatively innocuous. And innocuousness is the problem. Dory and her water-dwelling friends learn about ecological coexistence while venturing through aquatic wilds and eventually into the Marine Life Institute of California. (This includes a maritime exhibit using action-movie heroine Sigourney Weaver as a docent.) But Finding Dory is aggressively innocuous, like the Toy Story films. Fears of orphanhood, bereavement, and social helplessness are raised only to be easily pacified. For anyone who is not a legally bound babysitter, Finding Dory offers nothing that will please a taste for finer humor, freer fun, or genuinely expressive filmmaking.
Once again, it’s time to rethink the impact of Pixarism — the veneration-of-family movie formula that too many people think is just dandy — as a corruption of movie taste. Directors Andrew Stanton and Angus MacLane offer an aquarium rainbow of colors and tickling, wavy ocean-current imagery that must make the digital animators very proud, but these technological feats are tied to an overly cute moral simplification. Dory’s search for her mother and father is a transparent metaphor for our era’s bewilderment about family and identity. Dory declares that her pals Nemo, his father, Marlin, an anxious, amputated octopus (called a “septapus”), and other helpful anthropomorphic creatures are “more than friends — they’re family!” This doesn’t just mean camaraderie; it transforms ideas of orthodox family structure.
>>71474566
The modern family in Finding Dory corresponds to contemporary social circumstances; it forsakes blood ties and shared history for new social allegiances. Curiously, it intermixes ideas of traditional marriage with ideas of social independence and individual sustenance (omnisexual sustenance through Ellen DeGeneres’s prepubescent vocals). This modern asexual view is just as sentimental as old-fashioned allegiance to the basic two-parent heterosexual social unit.
Disney’s masterpieces from the Forties and Fifties, such as Pinocchio, Dumbo, and Bambi, offered richer alternative visions, in which individual protagonists learned from family separation and tragedy. Finding Dory, by contrast, feels tendentious. It encourages audiences to see themselves as part of a sociological construct outside of the traditional family. My main problem is that this is achieved by putting viewers through the politically correct wringer. There’s constant manipulation of sentiment in Finding Dory, but without reflection. A crucial part of the Disney Doctrine is to normalize social (and family) dysfunction. Dory herself symbolizes displacement and spiritual dislocation. She’s not just a fish-out-of-water — despite being mostly in water. She’s an existential victim. (One of her non-familial friends is a near-sighted whale shark named Destiny.)
In his classic 1976 study of fairy tales, The Uses of Enchantment, psychologist-scholar Bruno Bettelheim explained: “The fairy story ends with the hero returning, or being returned, to the real world, much better able to master life.” Pixar has commandeered this template. It pretends to help audiences “gain emotional maturity,” as Bettelheim advised, yet Finding Dory — like all Pixar films — mainly teaches viewers immaturity and emotional dependence on Disney/Pixar product.
>>71474590
Animation doesn’t have to be as formulaic as Finding Dory. In the 1960s DePatie–Freleng cartoon series Roland and Rattfink — newly released by Kino on Blu-Ray DVDs — the conflicts between the two men symbolized political difference (unlike Finding Dory’s communalism and implicit socialism). Their battles allowed for sharp rhetoric and antic graphics. Roland and Rattfink reminds one that animation’s original appeal came from its surreal rendering of the irrational — of a wonder, fear, and delight that goes beyond photographic realism. Finding Dory’s faux realism (the fish look like plastic when they emerge from water) replaces conventional animation artistry with a new taste for something less than wonderful. The Disney Doctrine advocates personal politics through obvious patronizing and adorableness.
Now you all may commence with
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>>71474613
My only REEEEEEEEEEEEEE is that he doesn't really expound on what he means. He's saying it, sure, but I want to know more about his opinions on the topic, and he's just kind of glancing off of it.
Pixar has lost it. All of their creative juice ran out after Wall-E. Now they're just in it for the money, making sequels/prequels that nobody asked for so they can cash in on the billions of dollars in merchandising.
>>71474649
Well to be fair you haven't really expounded on what you mean either. I want to know where you think he's lacking detail.
>>71474678
Several times he mentions how Dory is symbolic for this or that, and mentions "Disney Doctrine" but I have no idea what he's going on about. Dory is stupid, an orphan and voiced by a lesbian.
Here, watch this, "Bilbo is symbolic for a child, and that means something, to somebody." I didn't really say anything, and if I spread that message out over 5 paragraphs, and all you COULD take away from it was that, then I am saying a lot of fluff and nonsense.
I like the guy and want to know more.
>>71474656
watch
Toy Story That Time Forgot
I think they still have it but Disney execs make them do shit ideas.
>>71474782
The message is outlined at the very start of the piece. 'There are no walls in the ocean.'
White is accusing the movie of being 'frivolous yet ideologically loaded.' The movie pushes 'open-borders', 'forsakes blood ties and shared history for new allegiances' and 'encourages audiences to see themselves as part of a sociological construct outside of the traditional family [...] by putting viewers through the politically correct wringer.'
Do you see what he's getting at from that collection of quotes? Armond White is all about putting his (and debatably the movie's) politics front and center.
>>71475043
That seems more like what you've taken away from it, It's interesting it's just not very well put together.
>>71475324
You aren't giving me much of substance here. Could you post something less broad?
I'm probably never going to see it, I wasn't that big of a fan of nemo and don't feel like wasting time on a sequel.
>>71474549
>>71474566
>>71474590
Based Armond White confirmed for red pill
>>71475517
You're not really making a good point man. His sentence is pretty clear but your making it seem like its broad.
>>71475695
>his sentence is pretty clear
>no that's just what you think
>interesting just not very well put together
clear as the last shit I took
