Who has the best military mind in GoT?
Book Stannis, show are all retard hollywood tactics
>>71458099
Stannis
Check em
>>71458099
jon snow
>>71458099
Robb Stark
>>71458135
This
>>71458166
what the fuck is this
>>71458099
Drogon.
Stannis, followed by randyll tarly
>>71458135
Book Stannis never did shit, the real answer is Ned or Robb.
Tis courage and valor that wins the battlefield, not strategims. Leave the fighting to fighting men.
>>71458350
retard detected
>>71458099
If we're going by battles won in the show canon, probably Robb Stark.
Night King
>>71458325
What did Ned do?
>>71458302
Yeah, because going to war against Robb Stark, getting your ass (literally) blown the fuck out at the Blackwater, then running North and trying to scrounge off their armies and Houses was a great tactic
I could have one the Red Wedding as Robb Stark if it were on a Fire Emblem style battle grid.
>>71458302
>>71458135
>greatest accomplishment is eating rats and leather for a few months
>bailed out by a smuggler
>falls face first into Tyrions trap and loses the BotB despite having a heavy numeric advantage
>half his fucking army are currently frozen corpses
Ya great "commander"
>>71458325
Ned is debatable since we don't have details about what battles he lead and Jon Arryn was there
Robb had a council of veterans and made some dumb ass decisions, like not telling Edmure he was planning a pincer attack on the mountain and getting pissed that he defended riverrun to well and completely repelled him instead of having the mountain dig in to lay siege to him
>>71458400
ned got 6 other people to fight against 3, genghis khan called this outnumbering the enemy
>>71458434
Yes, Stannis should have totally anticipated the near magical wildfire as a saving grace, what was he thinking
>>71458400
He was the main General in Bobby B's rebellion.
Robb and Ned Stark, Hoster Tully, Tywin Lannister, Randyll Tarly
>>71458470
>survives years of siege
>blitzes and wins half the north completely driving out the iron born
Wont debate the blackwater, the wildfire wasnt what did it though, it was getting stabbed in the back by the tyrells
>>71458474
Ya his greatest military mistake was Edmure disobeying direct orders. The Based Young Wolf was literally never defeated in battle.
>>71458474
>like not telling Edmure he was planning a pincer attack on the mountain
This gets brought up every time and it's bullshit
Edmure's duty was to obey his orders, a commanding officer shouldn't have to thoroughly explain every move he makes to his subordinates.
She won the Battle of the Bastards with 62 fighting men.
It's probably Robb. The North had no business succeeding as much as it did during the War of the Five Kings and it was mostly down to his ingenuity in the field.
>>71458570
>drives out the Ironborn
Me, you and the rest of the posters on /tv/ could've done that.
>>71458501
>This guy I'm calling the greatest military mind in Westeros should get a pass on the biggest loss in the Wo5K because muh magic, even though he literally used magic to kill Renly
Stannisfags are truly pathetic
>>71458570
Stannis should've taken precautions once the Tyrells bailed after Renly's assassination. Instead he forgot they existed and got fucked in the flank. Entirely his fault.
>>71458099
Euron Greyjoy
>>71458099
1) Ned Stark - Won Robert's Rebellion. Robert was a great strategist on his own accord, but Ned was the brains of the entire operation. Other men on this list win because they planned great battles... Ned planned an entire war.
2) Book Stannis and Book Tywin Lannister tie - Both fucking geniuses in strategical planning.
3) Robb Stark - Never lost a battle, even agaisnt overwhelming forces or more experiences enemies. Gets third place for never accounting the shennanigans his own allies might do and of course, Red Wedding (there was a battle there too, shut up).
4) Tyrion Lannister - He doesn't know shit about battles, only what he reads in book, yet on his first actual battle he nearly curbstomps Stannis. He was also knew enough to formand train a specialized guardsmen unit who's sole purpose was to deploy wildfire without burning the city.
5) Book Roose Bolton - Would be a tie with Ned Stark, but we never get to see him plan something on the same scale as Ned. Same intellect and cunning as Tywin and Stannis, yet he prefers manipulation and scheming over military issues.
6) Tormund Giantsbane and Jon Snow - Tormund planned the attack on Castle Black. Jon Snow repelled it. Great acts on both parts.
>>71458630
Is he better or worse than Twenty Goodmen?
I mean, I've never heard of Sixtytwo Fightingmen before, and I've read the books.
>>71458099
Books: Randyll Tarly
Show: Ramsey "Twin T. Goodman" Bolton
>>71458578
>how to spot a show fag
Edmure was told to hold Riverrun so he dug in, trapped the nearby river crossings with spikes under the water and set up groups of archers in the tree lines along the banks to fire on enemies while they tried crossing
Edmure took out a large chunk of the mountains forces while suffering no casualties of his own, the show just tried to make him more bumbling to make Robb look better
Are there any especially good commanders in Essos? Dany has average commanders tbqh, Jorah and Barristan are the best but both lacked experience in certain areas.
>>71458586
>ordered to hold Riverrun
>holds Riverrun
>why did you do what I told you to do
The show misses the entire point of that bit which was to show Robbs immaturity and lack of experience
>>71458325
Led the attack on the iron fleet and later on great wyk.
>>71458745
>DIDN'T PROTECT OR SCOUT HIS BORDERS
LOL
>>71458751
Indeed.
Robb told him to hold Riverrun, which he did marvelously. Except Robb wanted him to just do that, hold Riverrun, not repel Clegane's men like he did, which ruined Robb's strategy of cutting off Clegane from Tywin main force.
However, this fault lies with Robb, not Edmure. If you want to pull a fucking complicated war manuever, you fucking explain it beforehand to the guy who's essential at letting that happen.
>>71458689
So how could he have anticipated it again?
>>71458736
>Robert was a great strategist
No he wasn't, where did you get that idea? Robert was charismatic as all hell and that's how he got people to follow him but Jon Arryn was the man behind the man so to speak
>>71458913
this
he didn't share his plans with edmure because he didn't really respect and trust edmure and then when edmure performs too well he throws what amounts to a tantrum.
>>71458793
Volantis has great commanders, being the greatest militarizes nation on Essos, reason why book Dany and crew don't want Volantis to get involved in their war.
It's implied the Norvosi have good military minds as well, given their warrior-monk society.
Still, most of the nations in Essos depend heavly militarly wise (except Volantis) on sellsword companies, instead of actual armies and commanders. They'd rather pay someone to fight their wars for them and send along some slaves to help.
>>71458928
The one part in the book where Ned explains that once Robert declared war, tree of his own bannermen Lords turned agaisnt him and sent their armies to fight him. Robert instead of getting butchered to death, covertly advanced his own army to the meeting point of the other three, and in a single day, lured each of them and defeated them as they arrived.
3 fucking battles in a single day aren't won with charisma anon.
Also Ned led the war from the North, Robert led the war from the South. They rarelly fought together, and neither Ned nor Robert lost a battle. The one time Robert was routed, The Battle of the Bells happened, and Robert won.
The reason why Ned is number 1) is because he had to defeat more greater houses than Robert did. (Robert went agaisnt lesser lords, Ned faced great houses)
>>71459004
We know Edmure was good enough to hold off the Mountain.
We just don't know if he was good enough to string along the Mountain.
>>71459644
Why is everyone in this thread just mentioning the mountain?
While he fought the mountain himself after he crossed the river, he was holding of Tywin as a whole.
It was an army far larger then his own that was held back. I question whether or not it would have succeeded if Tywin was not called back to King's Landing, but it was impressive as it was.
>>71458722
Don't forget the dumbass actually assumed the Reach army would join him after Renly's death.
>>71458302
Randyll Tarley has better victories to boast about than Stannis. All Stannis ever did was beat Ironborn retards and northern savages (a lot of whom were women and children).
>>71458099
In the show? Ramsay.
>>71459873
instead of sending a man to their camp after his death to at least attempt to threaten them into submission he just assume they'll join the "rightful king"
stannis's rigidness definitely blinded him strategically and politically
>yfw Stannis and Renly would have won by S2 if they had just joined forces
>like seriously
>>71459976
Assumption is the mother of all fuck-ups and Stannis did a LOT of this in A Clash of Kings. He deserved to get his ass beat at Blackwater.
And you're absolutely right, if he actually marched in person (with his soldiers) to Bitterridge where the Reach infantry was at, he probably would've browbeated them into joining him.
>>71460024
Wouldn't have happened because Renly wanted to be king and Stannis was an autist.
reminder that renly would have been the best king
>>71460024
Renly would have won the entire war with ease if it weren't for Stannis using shadowbabby magic
>>71458325
>Book Stannis never did shit
he smashed the greyjoy fleet with 3 fishing boats, a pleasure barge and a single rowboat
>>71459823
Edmure is pretty based, I think a lot of people forget that or only know the show where they made him a bungling retard
>can't set his father alight with the flaming arrow not because he's wracked with sadness and crying while he's shooting but instead he's just a crap shot that can barely draw a bowstring
>>71460055
It's just that Renly's claim is only good if he first admits that Stannis's claim is better.
Barring assassination, I still don't think Renly could have won it.
The best shot for a Baratheon on the throne is S + R alliance, with an agreement that Renly's first-born is the heir, since Shereen is probably not going to produce heirs, and Stannis is not going to remarry.
>>71460229
>with an agreement that Renly's first-born is the heir
Which won't be a Baratheon since I'm willing to bet he can't get it up to actually impregnate Margaery so she's gonna be forced to fuck someone else. The Baratheons are a shit house; it truly deserves to go extinct if it's last 3 descendants were a drunk cuckold, a hard-assed autist, and a prancing fool.
>>71460346
renly is bi
he had no issues trying to fuck margaery, read the books
>>71460408
I did read the books and while he knows that impregnating Margaery is a must to solidify his kingship, I doubt he could get it up when the time comes.
>>71460346
Of course he could impregnate Marge, it's what most married, particularly royal, homosexuals have done for most of human history.
>>71460443
Loras could work the balls while she got the shaft
>>71460443
on their wedding night renly was drunk and ready to fuck the shit out of margaery
he probably prefers men but he would no doubt make sure he impregnated her, renly isn't the fool people make him to be in the books
>>71458689
He only lost because of the Tyrells you mong
>>71460055
Renly was also an autist, had he just fucking knelt to Stannis and won the war he could have had Stannis killed because nobody liked him.
Instead he just goes balls to the wall, thinking his army of inexperienced troops could take on one of the biggest hardasses in existence.
If I recall, some guy actually wrote a large essay on how Stannis actually prepared to fight a winnable battle at where he met Renly.
>>71458325
>held Storm's End for a year even though the entire army of the Reach was outside his walls
>fucked the greatest sailors in Westeros, possibly the world with a pretty clever ambush
>smashed Mance Rayder even though he was outnumbered something like 1-100
>is already digging holes in the ice lake to bait Ramsay into his trap
>>71458260
VR sword fighting
>>71460645
He's gonna lose and you know it. The Pink Letter is real and Stannis is going to eventually burn Shireen just like in the show.
>>71458166
holy shit my sides
>>71460718
It ain't real.
If it was real then why is Ramsay asking for Theon?
Thank lannisters
Destroy a great house
Turned the lannisters from embarrassment to household name
Rescued the king alive
Beat starks
According to Sun Tzu, the most succesful general wins a war without fighting. Thus the only correct answer is Tywin Lannister.
>>71460900
>Tywin lannisters
>>71460920
You mean walder frey
>>71460718
>Stannis, who is camped like 5 miles from winterfell is going to burn his daughter who is at castle black
Sansa and how she took the iron throne
>>71460633
Could you post it? Seems interesting.
I doubt he could've won but he would've cost the fag a lot
>>71458918
By taking his witch with him instead of listening to no-fingers the pirate
On a side note, why was Jon called 'King Crow' in episode 10? Was it to do with him leading wildlings?
>>71461066
https://racefortheironthrone.wordpress.com/2015/03/27/chapter-by-chapter-analysis-catelyn-iii-acok/
Jump down to the Siege of Storms End, there's a lot of material so you might want to Ctrl+F it.
>>71461369
Thanks
>>71460443
Fun fact: Men are aroused by their own penises, meaning you can get horny and cum at any time through sheer willpower. This is likely so you can spread your seed even when not physically attracted to the woman. Most gay men can impregnate women even if they personally would rather have a guy. This has also been used to explain why traps/shemales are so popular.
>>71460920
Except the entire point of the Red wedding was that it solved the Lannister's short term problems, but created a fuckton of long term issues, including the virtual destruction of the guest rite ritual that had been important forever in Westeros.
>>71460087
Renly wouldn't have won shit. He had a fuckhuge army and sat around eating peaches and watching tournaments instead of marching on his enemies.
He would have been a Tyrell puppet at best and if he won the war it would have been because of Mace, Randyll, and Loras transmitting orders from Highgarden.
He was shit in his civilian role at court. Ned, Robert, and Stannis all openly laughed at him because all he knew how to do was flounce around.
>>71461552
The Red Wedding caused a lot of problems for the Frey's but basically nothing for the Lannisters.
Who cares if people think of them as even more viscous, that's an image they had been building themselves already. Most of the hate is toward the Freys and Boltons, who while allies are super expendable to the Lannisters.
>>71461681
Except now they've given just cause to the other lords to overthrow the freys and the boltons, and good luck pacifying the north after that.
Also, when I think about it it's odd that the Starks didn't secede after the last dragon died, seeing as the only reason they lost was because of the dragons
>>71461672
fooled by renlys exterior
he didn't give a shit about doing anything at court while robert was king but he moved quickly and effectively to counsel ned to take royal hostages, then gtfo when he realized ned was a retard. got the tyrell alliance and marched slowly to draw men to his cause.
i havent read that giant ass essay that other anon posted but renly wasn't the fop people thought he was.
>>71459954
Sadly this. Rob was godlike off screen but just did dumb shit the rest of the time, Tyrion's only had one battle and everyone else waits for a deus ex machina or just fucks up.
>>71461672
>Ignoring the existence of the Stormlands
>>71462045
Didn't ignore anything. He called the banners (which he didn't really have the authority to do) then sat around waiting for Highgarden to tell him what to do next.
That's the problem. Renly just wanted people to like him. He wanted to be King because that meant maximum adoration, but he didn't want to do anything to become King. Nor did he even know what to do.
>>71461810
>fooled by renlys exterior
That was the extent of his characterisation in the show and the books. It's not like he's Varys and presenting one face to the world while being an epic rusemaster that nobody knows about. He was just a shit leader. The only reason this isn't more obvious is because he gets very little air time on the show, and they left out most of his derping around as a result.
>>71458913
He probably didn't give every detail of his plan to Edmure because if the information was intercepted, it'd all be ruined. It's more important for a soldier to do exactly what they're told, so tons of information doesn't have to get released to every part of an army, exponentially increasing the chance of plans getting leaked.
>>71462326
>That was the extent of his characterisation in the show and the books.
you didn't read the books very thoroughly m8, renly quite competent maneuvering the political landscape once the wot5k started. now, we don't know if he just had good counselors but if he wasn't assassinated he would easily have had the strongest position. his maesters opinion isn't the end all be all. robert was the true steel but look what happened to him.
>>71458099
Night's King.
prove me wrong faggot
>>71458099
Honestly most of them only have a few victories at best. Book Wise though Euron has to be up there. He was responsible for destroying the Lannister's fleet and his tactics atm are top tier as he is beating the fuck out of the reach. I doubt he will get any of his victories in the show though.
Randyll, Ned, Stannis are the best but I always thought Stannis was overrated.
>>71458736
Actually Jon Arryn probably deserves the most credit out of all three men who lead in Robert's rebellion.
>>71462326
He had authority as LP of the Stormlands but I guess he was military inept.
>>71459823
Edmure won against Tywin, addam marbrand, and Kevin but got shit stomped so hard when he went up against Jaime in the beginning of the war. You never know what you are going to get with edmure.
>>71462427
True, but at the same time, war is chaotic and without radios, communication takes awhile. This makes it important for commanders to be able to act with certain levels of autonomy to exploit time-sensitive weaknesses.
Littlefinger.
>>71461768
A word once given isnt easily retracted by men of honor, the starks made an oath of fealty to the targs and only a major betrayal like the actions of aerys could convince them to turn back on it
isn't it obvious that it is the sand snake queen? she gained the most power with the fewest amount of solders. you fags are just to mysoginist to appreciate the dorne plotline. sad!
>>71462326
Donal Noye summed up Baratheons perfectly, Renly is like brass, shiny and nice to look at but useless in war, Stannis was iron, hard and strong but to brittle, he would break before he bent
Purely from the show???
1. Robb stark
2. Ramsey snow
3. Tywin lannister
4. Jon snow
5. Tyrion lannister
6. Stannis baratheon
7. Cersie lannister
8. Jamie lanbister
9. Ned stark
10. Russ bolton
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9001. Danarys Targyrian
Seriosly Danny makes the worst social strategic and tactical decisions in the show. If it weren't for muh dragons abd muh magic she would have nothing
The top two are Stannis and Randyll. Randyll has the better record. But in the show he's just an asshole with the best house in the Seven Kingdoms who goes out hunting rather than fight while a was is going on in the Riverlands.
>>71458827
Edmure did more than hold Riverrun though. He rode out and attacked Tywin's flank when they were marching past Riverrun to westerlands.
The answer is book Robb is the greatest commander.
>>71463290
Jons to high on the list he fucked up in bastardbowl.
Tywins probably above Ramsey but I guess if you're talking show battles only it make sense.
also no Mance rayder?
Cersie is on the list but not Mance?
>>71463357
Stannis is mediocre. He's only relevant in ADWD because of Jon's advices. And we haven't seen Tarly pull of the feats like The Young Wolf.
Randyll Tarly
Robb
Stannis
Robert
Are close behind though.
>>71458099
>no one even mentioning Jon Connington
He not only commands the most advanced fighting force in either Westeros or Essos, but was basically trained to lead that fighting force by a man who had also years and years of experience.
The Golden Company is far beyond pretty much every Westerosi army, and JonCon showed how effective they are in taking Griffin's Roost.
The only battle he lost was because he decided >muh honor was more important than winning, and since then has learned to be more ruthless.
>>71459976
He actually did send one of his Florent inlaws, Parmen Crane, and some other Reachman noble to convince them to join with him, but they were captured and imprisoned.
>>71464702
> ywn see The Golden Company's Elephant Squad stampede the Stormlands.
>>71458099
Robb Stark. Shit King. GOAT general.
Never lost. Forever young
>>71464702
>fag
>muh honor
>"What would Tywin do?"
>cucked by my husband's "son"
yeah no
>>71465001
>cucked by my husband's "son"
>implying you wouldn't go gay for Rhaegar
>implying raising his son as your own to be the perfect King is in any way bad
>implying because he failed the father, he will fail the son
Based JonCon
>>71463290
why is stannis even on this list
did he ever even win a single battle in the show? he just kept getting his ass kicked until he burned shireen for literally no reason at all and then got cucked by >20 good men
>>71464702
Yeah, didn't he capture like half the Stormlands in one week?
And now the TWOW preview chapters have him capturing Storm's End, which no one has accomplished, so it seems like he is quite able
>>71465188
The battle for the wall.
Also the DVD extras mention what he did during the greyjoy rebellion
>>71458099
Stannis > Tywin > Randyll Tarly > Blackfish > Ned > Robb
>>71464702
No longer canon lad
Realistically, he didn't have much in the way of opposition when landing in the Stormlands. The Golden Company is most certainly top notch though.
I do wonder if they'll make an appearance in the show. Could see D&D having them show up and fight for Cersei though.
>>71465137
>gets cucked by Blackfyre pretender, the targaryens' arch enemies
Nice
>>71465216
if i remember correctly, it was only the watchmen (or whatever they're properly called) that defended the wall no? wasn't stannis somewhere marching in circles, begging for money and men?
>>71465277
Shut up Donny
>>71465190
he's literally at least in the top 5 for the whole series.
but really what he has going for him is his army is made up of professional, highly disciplined, highly experianced soldiers, rather than a mob of barely trained peasants and a gaggle of knights. He has dedicated archers, competent leadership all the way down the command chain, a spymaster, and fucking war elephants.
He's going to seriously fuck shit up in Winds, at least until Dany gets there.
>>71458434
>>71458689
>>71460087
>>71461810
>mad Renly LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ babby
>>71465275
Nice reddit theory you got there
>>71465274
Nah, it's too late, Dany is already on her way, and their only reason in the story is to be a foil to dany, as the more successful targaryen with a better claim
>>71465277
They only stopped the first incursion, and Jon Snow went to talk to Mance (actually to assassinate him) but then Stannis came and fucked them all in the ass. But Jon makes it clear that if it weren't for Stannis they would have lost eventually, since they were outnumbered 1:100 or something like that
>>71465336
>he thinks it's an actual Targaryen
Varys' story sure does seem to have a lot of lucky coincidences
>>71458099
Sonsa Stark. Literally defeated Ramsay and his 20 goodmen.
>>71465336
>Podrick: Is the dragon sign still there?
>Meribald: No. When the smith's son was an old man, a bastard son of the fourth Aegon rose up in rebellion against his trueborn brother and took for his sigil a black dragon. These lands belonged to Lord Darry then, and his lordship was fiercely loyal to the king.
>>>>'The sight of the black iron dragon made him wroth, so he cut down the post, hacked the sign into pieces, and cast them into the river.'
>>>>>'One of the dragon's heads washed up on the Quiet Isle many years later, though by that time it was red with rust.'
yeah totally reddit and nowhere to be found in the books
>>71465401
There's also Dany's vision (a mummer's dragon) and Moqqoro's vision (a dark flame burning Dany)
>>71465448
yeah but mummer's dragon could literally mean
Varys = mummer
Faegon = dragon
as opposed to it meaning 'fake dragon'
i think meribald at the crossroads inn is the best piece of evidence of faegon blackfyre
>>71465448
>a mummer's dragon
literally could just mean it's Vary's supporting Aegon. Since Varys was a mummer and all
>Moqqoro's vision
he could also be misinterpreting things as easily as Melisandre. Or it could be about Jon.
>>71465401
>cherypicking some tiny irrelevant detail
>>71465385
>implying Varys supporting a Blackfyre for some reason makes sense
>implying Aegon being a Blackfyre doesn't also have a bunch of lucky coincidences
*tips Targaryen Banner respectfully*
>>71464108
Robb did far more impressive things at just 15 than Tarly has in his 40 or so years. The answer is Robb. It will always be Robb. The guy was bred for battles.
>>71465542
>tiny irrelevant detail
>ned's dream in agot meant nothing!
>blue winter roses blooming at the wall means that plants grow in the north! winter isnt coming after all!
well done reddit sperg
>>71465542
>he could also be misinterpreting things as easily as Melisandre
He just tells Victarion what he sees, he doesn't tell him what it means.
>implying Varys supporting a Blackfyre for some reason makes sense
Vayrs is the biggest mystery of all, but whatever the case, we know that he has been fifth column since day one in Aerys' court
>implying Aegon being a Blackfyre doesn't also have a bunch of lucky coincidences
Literally just
>one of Daemon's female kid has some kids
>one of them becomes known to Illyrio and Varys
>they use him to become even more powerful
>tiny irrelevant detail
I bet you also thought Patchface's babel was irrelevant as well
>>71465542
Whats wrong with Aegon being a Blackfyre? They were always the better branch of the family.
>>71465548
Not taking away anything from Robb in the books but he also had the GOAT second in command in Blackfish. They were a deadly duo.
>>71465689
>tfw don't even know their house words
>tfw GRRM wrote about some anarchy knock off instead of the first blackfyre rebellion
>>71458689
He was going to win even without magic vs Renly. He only avoided a slaughter like the based man he is
>>71465644
>ned has a dream that clearly is about his own past and future plot significance
>winter roses hinting at one of the most important plot points in the series
vs
>a random reference in a completely unrelated chapter to a character who hasn't even appeared yet
Preston pls
>>71465548
>Implying Blackfish didn't plan all Robb's battles.
Robb was brave but never wise.
No TyWIN in this thread?
This boss kept the seven kingdoms together with his superior military prowess.
>>71465836
Tywin was a political genius but as a battlefield commander he was meh, and his strategy came down to "eat, sleep, pillage, repeat"
>>71465769
It was like 5000 vs 40000
>>71465869
Some guy over at Castamere might dissagree.
>>71465836
also strangely not a lot of Euron in here
not only did he come up with the plan to destroy the Lannister fleet, he easily took the Shields and is about to fuck up the Redwyne fleet.
>>71465908
>castamere
>literally drowned them, losing a perfectly valid castle
>>71465448
Did you ever think Dany is the mummers dragon and actually a Blackfyre, Varys has spent just as much time molding and guiding her from the shadows as he has Aegon and she was following along the route he planned for her until she arrived in slavers bay and went off the rails
>>71465958
Well no, the original plan all relied on Viserys, but then Drogo killed him and they were forced to change it (the Varys-Illyrio conversation Arya hears)
>>71465886
20k.
And Renly only had horse.
>>71465886
Yeah but Renly the retard only had his horse and wanted to lead the cavalry charge, not to mention that he wore distinctive armor.
All it would take is a lucky arrow and he's dead
>>71465988
That doesn't discount the possibility of them both being Blackfyres or them and Aegon, Visyris was never what you could call stable and filling a kids head with all sort of ideas about who he is when he's young and malleable to be a tool isn't far fetched considering all the scheming going on
>>71466091
Yeah but Viserys was 8 when Aerys was killed, kinda hard to replace an 8 year old kid
>>71465935
Euron is pretty good. He planned the attack on Lannisport, and raped the shield islands and is now moving to destroy the Redwyne fleet which will allow him to own the ocean.
>>71466016
>>71466061
Ah my bad. It's been a while since I read them. Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't Stannis also backed up against Storm's End? Surely the garrison would have come helped Renly.
>>71466121
>throw the bodies in the ocean
>alright kid now you're someone else and people are coming to kill you now run
>V cracks from the stress
It's more plausible than some of the theories being thrown around
>>71465935
>>71466163
I am such and idiot. All I read was Euron was pretty good and didn't even see you listed his feats. Embarrassing.
>>71466223
And Willem Darry, a scion of the most loyal, almost fanatical Targaryen family, would go along with it?
>>71466163
>Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't Stannis also backed up against Storm's End? Surely the garrison would have come helped Renly.
The reason Renly left all of his foot behind and hauled ass after Stannis is because he took Storms End, by intrigue but all the same.
For a top notch commander like Stannis, facing an asston of inexperienced knights led by untested men eager to win glory would go into his favor by a fair degree.
>>71466257
He didn't take Storm's End, hell Davos needed to smuggle Melisandre beneath the walls so she could assassinate the castellan
>>71466301
Had the timeline mixed up.
>>71466251
For revenge against the people that killed the Targaryens? I don't see why not
>>71458099
Dany actually has a very good military mind if you look at how she took the free cities
>>71466414
Then you don't realize how much the Targaryen hated the Blackfyres.
>>71466455
>muh dragons
>muh blood and fire
She puts Rommel to shame
>>71466455
Literally of it was advice by either Barristan or Jorah, as well as a bit of mary suishness (the unsullied apparently not having a fail safe when they're ordered to kill their masters)
>>71458689
I may be wrong here but I think the Wildfire is actually far more effective now because of Dragons being back in the world. Stannis couldn't plan for that
>>71466473
>this non Targaryen who had his entire life pulled down around him and had to flee his homeland wont wan't revenge because of a generations old schism he is not directly related to
Hell he was even diseased and dying, it's not like it would be difficult to convince him he would be doing one last thing to help and that everything he did wasn't for naught
>>71459922
>Randyll Tarley
He's a soldier who leads the vanguard of Highgarden.
I doubt he's good for any more than that.
>>71466605
He destroyed Robert which is one of the best feats in the series.
>>71466605
He's the one man to beat Robert Baratheon in battle
>>71466605
Both Stannis and Jaime compliment his prowess, which isn't nothing
>>71466637
Winning battles is not winning wars, senpai.
He bent the knee in the end.
>>71465385
like what?
>>71466872
>the kid's face being smashed in so it wouldn't be recognizable
>going through the trouble of faking his death when they could've just smuggled him out
>Varys not being replaced or executed
>Golden Company being willing to fight for a Targaryen when many of them have spent generations fighting for them
It just seems that they made up the back story after they already had the kid
>>71465542
Also, I should mention that the preview Tyrion chapter where they meet Griff and Young Griff that Martin read at a con has Illyrio insisting on giving a sword to Aegon personally, and when Duck tells him that they've got plenty of swords Illyrio gets mad and tells him that there are some things Aegon must know
>>71465802
That is an assumption. One can easily then assume that Stannis or Tarly is no more than their advisors. Hell without Jon's input, Stannis would've died in the north long ago. It is Stark council keeping him alive and Stark men.
>>71458099
None. Thy are all equally retarded
>>71458166
Uncanny as fuck.
>>71458099
Robb. Too bad he lacked the diplomatic and social mind.
>>71458470
>traps greyjoy fleet and completely destroys them despite not having any experience at sea
>cucks mance despite being outnumbered 10 to 1
>freys and boltons about to go for a swim in an icy lake
stannis is a dick in the books as well but at least he knows his shit when it comes to tactics
>>71470485
He wouldve been fine if he just married the frey bitch
>>71470430
looks like a 3rd degree burned face
>>71470581
and that's his diplomatic mind failing
>>71470638
Yeah and also bad luck. He didnt know theon would be such a traitorous piece of shit. Hearing of his brothers dying led him to even fucking the girl
>>71470680
He could've fucked her all he wanted and stall Frey as much as possible, but for fucks sake not insta marry the bitch.
>>71465663
>Vayrs is the biggest mystery of all,
There's actually been conjectures that FAegon is Illyrio's son with his once-slave wife (who is thought to be a Blackfyre pretender as she's described as having blonde hair).
So FAegon would therefore be a Blackfyre by his mother, and Varys would only be aiding FAegon in attaining his kingship because of the friendship he has with Illyrio.
>>71470549
Tbf he btfo of Vicky. If Euron was in charge of the iron fleet I doubt he would have been dumb enough to get trapped but Vicky was in command and Vicky is retarded.
>>71458350
lol...
Anyone saying anything but Robb Stark is a showfag or Stannis autist. The books literally spell out for you that the Young Wolf was unstoppable on the field of battle.
>>71471701
He was unstumpable in the show too foo
Khal Drogo, he never lost.
Technically pic related.
He good over one of the most powerful castles and seat of the North in one swoop with thirty guys.
Then he asked his sister to send five hundred men as soon as he took it, so he obviously wasn't stupid enough to think he could keep it with thirty guys, but obviously that didn't work out.
>>71472415
*took over, not 'good over'.
>>71458099
Stannis
Robb
