JUST
>literally complaining that the main character is white
>taking IGN's reviews serious
>>71440469
I saw that picture of a gorilla and thought maybe it was Ghostbusters. Shite. Got happy for a moment there.
>cons
>Great White Saviour
>Ape Visual Effect
What did they mean by this
>>71440469
great white savior ?
is this a fucking problem ?
>a gaming website reviews movies
huh, really makes you think
>>71440663
Yes because it exists only in your head and in the minds of exploitative 18th century colonialist racists
>>71440469
What the hell do you expect from a movie that shows a man holding his own against a gorilla in a fight. The human would get ripped apart every time!
>>71440469
>Great White Savior
Tarzan was written over a fucking century ago and is about a white male. Does IGN think the filmmakers should've blatantly ignored the source material and made the protagonist a black man?
>>71440755
Eh? Gorillas are pretty dumb.
I could easily beat most gorillas with the skills I learned at judo and taekwondo.
>>71440755
Bullshit. With the correct technique I could kill a gorilla with my bare hands. A man like myself is not easily beaten.
Remember people, technique ALWAYS trumps size.
>>71440755
Bullshit, did you ever see a MMA fighter? He could beat the shit out of a gorilla, a bear and a lion combined
>>71440810
Oh boy, I can see where this thread is going. I can't wait for the dozens of posts where you and other idiots argue that fighting gorillas is a piece of cake.
>>71440469
>Great White Savior
Welp, SJWs have invaded IGN. What's next?
>>71440866
Hold on, did you seriously read IGN? For almost a decade it has been common knowledge that IGN is fucking shit.
>>71440810
goddamn you're dumb
Harambe was a better film
>>71440844
>piece of cake.
No dumbass. You need at least three weeks of martial arts crash course and basic calisthenics if you want any chance of taking on a fully grown Silverback.
>>71440844
>dress up in a banana suit
>do a quick jig past a gorilla
>it shits a brick and almost has heart failure trying to flee
True story.
>-Great White Saviour.
>>71440844
>>71440908
>gorillas are indestructible terminators
>>71440954
Actually this is a common technique used by tribes of the Congo. Apparently it goes back a thousand years. This is also where the term gorilla warfare originates.
>>71440954
Top cecc.
>>71440997
Do you know anything about gorillas mate?
They could literally rip your limbs off that's how fucking strong they are.
>>71441063
All I can say to that faggot gorilla is good luck ripping my arms off while I've got you in a rear naked chokehold.
>>71441063
>strength always wins in a fight
It's clear to me you have no idea what you're talking about and have never engaged in any martial arts.
I would simply use my superior balance and use the gorillas strength against him.
>look up this movie to find out what it's actually about
>they tried to 'Hook' Tarzan
Holy shit, no
>>71440835
>ign God Hand review
>you'll just end up button mashing your way past everything
wew
>>71441063
So what? A Humvee is strong enough to send pieces of your grey matter flying 10 yards.
The point is, does the humvee have big enough balls to drive into my house and onto my head?
I don't think so.
>>71440801
>black man
can you imagine the fallout if the movie was about a black dude being raised by gorillas? Twitter alone would have been flooded with liberal tears and calling for the head of every person involved and the shutting down of the studio
>>71440469
>this fucking blatant Disney shilling
Jesus Christ how can you people not see it?
>>71440469
>Great white savior.
As it should be.
>>71440469
Is this the new Ghostbusters?
>>71441463
Why would Disney shill a review that shits all over their film?
> literally a /v/ thread
So this is what /tv/ has become...
>>71441493
Ignore the /v/ children. The ethics in journalism crowd thinks there is some huge conspiracy where everything is being paid for by somebody.
>>71441378
>getting mad over hypothetical situations
Leave /v/
>>71440469
>Great white savior
>Film critics don't downscore a movie rate because of their political agenda!
TOP FUCKING KEK
Stop caring about tumblr blogger tier (((((((((((((film critics))))))))))))))))) you dummies.
>>71441625
>getting mad
wew lad
>>71440897
Yeah but they weren't always white cucks. Thats just something that happened last years. Probably hired some new "journalists".
>>71440469
Take a look folks. In 2016 you can literally review a movie negatively because its main character is a white male. That is 1 out of only 3 negative points they made.
>Con: Fucking White People
This is getting a bit out of hand
>>71441493
This isn't a Disney movie
>>71441256
wat, you're right. thank you i was actually thinking of watching this shit.
>Movie is less about Tarzan and his time in the jungle and more about Belgium committing genocide in the Congo with a bunch of animals thrown in
Why not just cut Tarzan out entirely?
>>71442791
>Belgium committing genocide in the Congo
Is this a real thing?
ahaahahahahaha, Tarzan is white you stupid fucking cucks, he had colonial parents who became ship/plane wrecked or something. This world is fucked
>>71440469
How the fuck is TARZAN being the great white hope a surprise? You should go in knowing that is going to happen. This isn't a shock. this isn't a surprise.
>go into a movie about traveling through space
>complain it's a space movie
serious what the fuck
>>71442861
They had a hand in it, yes.
>>71440997
Clearly they haven't faced me and my dual blade
>2010+6
>critics
just stop already
>>71440469
>Great Whte Savior
The world is doomed, people.... Doomed.
>mfw this will be 100 times better than skull island
>>71443541
yeah and no problem about the bad white people tho
>>71444026
Don't worry, anon. Only fat basement dwellers and ugly Tumblrinas take this SJW shit seriously (very small fraction). The rest of the world sees it as a retarded meme phase that shouldn't be acknowledged or given attention.
>>71442791
>genocide
Oh come on, just hands. Everyone has a pair of em.
>complain about white protagonists
>don't go and see movies with non-white protagonists because watching anything that isn't a blockbuster is out of your comfort zone
Fucking Americans lol.
If people actually gave a shit about minorities in movies, those movies would gross more.
>>71440663
white can only be villains
>>71440810
i could take down a trained gorilla with the flick of my dick
>>71444392
>if you kill your enemies, they win.
>>71440469
>watch Greystoke
IGN does movies now?
>9.5 it's alright
>>71440560
This.
IGN is the most nerd pandering, company bought out bullshit ever.
>>71440469
>great white savior
I don't recall it being a fucking problem for the Avatar reviews? Does every hero have to be a fucking nigger now or what? Goddammit
>Great white savior
Did Raimi take over for Yates?
>>71448394
>implying
>>71440469
>Jim Vejoda
>>71440716
>fictional story isn't real
whoa
>Great White Savior
You fucking what cunt.
You fucking what?
This fuckwit goes on about some fucking Belgian shit in the Congo. Lmao what the fuck? It's about fucking Tarzan, has he not read the fucking book or seen the animated movie?
>>71440755
Gorillas have literally 0 technique. Man has brains.
>>71448661
Yeah but it's 2016, why couldn't Tarzan be a black woman or an old Chinese guy?
>>71448829
dont you love how 90% of critiques have nothing to do with the film as a whole
>fucking white man saves the day
>fuck yea dude civil war was rad
zero critique
>>71440469
> -Great White Savior
This is literally racism, it isn't even subtle.
This can't be real surely.It does look a bit shit though, and Greystoke is kino
>>71440469
>Great white savior
I can't even find the energy to be annoyed anymore. This is our world now.
>>71440810
>>71440836
>>71440939
>>71440842
>>71441109
>>71448795
>>71441194
oh boy, good memes everyone
>>71440469
>great white savior
>picture of apes
IGN is racist.
Tarzan literary means "white skin" in the language the gorillas use.
>>71451995
lmao bravo critics
So... who would win between a gorilla and aquiles?
> (-) The main character is white
National Socialist uprising when?
>>71440469
>great white savior
wtf
they're gorillas
what do you mean by great white savior
>>71440801
"yes"
welcome to the future
>>71440469
>Vejvoda
huh really make you think
>>71452726
The movie's plot isn't about tarzan saving the gorillas, it's about Tarzan stopping the Belgian genocide of the Congo.
It's absurdly disrespectful to the real events that serve as the backdrop of the movie. Like if you decided to make a movie about Indiana Jones stopping the Holocaust. Or Tin Tin saving the Hindenburg. You don't mix that cartoon bullshit directly into real life tragedy, it's insensitive and stupid.
>>71453620
like if you made a movie about Indiana jones stopping the Nazis
FTFY jew
>Great White Savior
>this is a negative thing
>the companies that developed antiretrovirals to fight HIV which was destroying the African continent were all white
>the only group of people on the planet to eradicate slavery from their countries are whites
>Abraham Lincoln
>Ulysses S. Grant
>William Tecumseh Sherman
>John Brown
>^ these people are "not white saviors"
>>71453785
>he thinks people put much thought into anything these days and arent drones
>>71453620
>>71453620
ahhh here it is don't mention ANY genocide that isnt the Holocaust GOYIM
>>71453668
Yeah remember that scene where Indiana Jones stumbled on the death camps and freed the inmates before Hitler's final solution could be put into effect?
Oh no wait, the Nazis were just used as villains and the movies deliberately take place before WW2 to avoid having to address the horrible human costs of Nazi villainy.
>>71440835
To be fair, God Hand was a piece of shit
>>71453620
>You don't mix that cartoon bullshit directly into real life tragedy, it's insensitive and stupid.
insensitive on all the 110 year old congolese cinemagoers?
>>71440897
>people actually wondered why GG boycotted a neutral site like IGN.
>>71453929
>nazis were just used as villians
Just like the US gov is used by Israel
>>71454123
The fuck are you even talking about?
>>71440716
Kill yourself shitskin
>>71454069
Or their descendants. Or really anyone even vaguely aware of history.
Remember Dances With Wolves? The Last Samurai? Now imagine those movies with a main character who can talk to animals and whose most iconic portrayal is a Disney children's film. It's ludicrous.
>>71454075
Literally nobody was wondering that. I don't think many people here knew that those faggots even boycotted ign.
>>71454338
did it also upset you when maximus kills emperor commodore and restores the republic?
it's a movie, history is history, who cares.
>>71440469
>great white saviour
IGN have always been mediocre but I thought they had mostly avoided shit like this.
Now what would be the audience's reaction to "Great black savior" in the Cons column if the character had been black.
A fucking shitstorm
Lol at all these buttblasted white bois.
Cry harder.
>>71454897
>implying
$$$$
>>71454535
>comparing literal ancient history to the exploitation of a modern genocide
Nigger, Tarzan represents the pinnacle of African romanticism, mashing him into the lead role of one of the darkest chapters of Africa's entire history is pretty much the dumbest writing humanly possible.
>>71440835
Is this supposed to be wrong? kys weab
>>71455016
Who gives a fuck. Niggers were literally animals at that point. Even more so than they are now.
>>71441378
Well of course. The agenda they are pushing is paradoxical and stupid. They say race shouldn't matter, and we shouldn't question when some white roles get switched to black roles. But the minute you make Tarzan a black man, it's an outrage. Because liberals are literally the most racist people on the planet; they know this and desperately try to bury it by elevating blacks, who scorn them for it but allow it anyway.
>>71455142
It's a complete tonal catastrophe. It ruins the movie. Regardless of what you think of niggers, bringing in this extremely dour subject matter into an action blockbuster TARZAN movie is retarded.
>>71440836
Is your technique using a gun? That would be mine.
>>71455309
why make something 100 years old have a feel of something 100 years old amiright?
Reminder.
>>71440469
GREAT WHITE SAVIOR, lol fuck now I have to see this movie to make all the far left sjw self hating whites cry
fucking sjw
>>71455016
>>71455309
Sounds like im gonna love it, most dangerous game bitch
>>71440716
bitch if I met you in real life I would fucking skin you alive Bolton style
>>71441063
I bet you believe that swans can break your arms, too.
>>71455424
When did Tarzan ever fight racial genocide in Africa?
>>71440961
>You will never be an Anglo warrior
>You will never have a helmet that nice
>>71441297
I bet the humvee has enough balls to do that.
>>71440663
>>71440550
To be fair, Tarzan is a character from the early 1900s that is the epitome of questionably racist imperial ideas about Africa.
At least John Cater is set on Mars.
Clearly someone should have made a movie abo.. oh.. wait.. never mind.
>>71440469
>IGN now reviews films
Oh great, that's just what this board needed. More /v/. Yay.
>>71440469
wtf kill all white people now
>>71455614
>tarzan was always real life
>The Legend of Tarzan isn't half-bad; actually, it's pretty good. Beautifully made and smartly set at the beginning of Belgian King Leopold II's rapacious colonization of the Congo in the 1880s, this is certainly the best live action Tarzan film in many a decade (which, admittedly, isn't saying much) and offers a well-judged balance of vigorous action and engaging-enough drama. The Hollywood Reporter- Todd McCarthy
>>71441552
>has become
>>71440469
Leslie Jones really let herself go
>>71440469
What did he mean by this?
>>71454742
Now you know how minorities feel when they only see white protagonists in most hollywood movies white boy
>>71455281
No, race should ALWAYS matter. White people just need to acknowledge the privilege they have everywhere they go. When white people say they're color blind, it means they don't care that people of color suffer from discrimination every day. Black people get discriminated everywhere because of the color of their skin, so the concept of race is always on their mind.
What whites need to do is extend their hand to other races so we can achieve true equality i.e., Black bond, race bending traditionally white characters etc.
>>71455981
>To be fair, Tarzan is a character from the early 1900s that is the epitome of questionably racist imperial ideas about Africa.
Who fucking cares? liberals didn't give a shit about the last two tarzan movies, why start complaining about this one?
>>71455309
I think I agree with this. I hate how movies keep trying to shove real world politics into it instead of just making movies like the old days. At least older movies were more original about it, everything now it just some political event int he real world pushed into the fictional realm.
>>71458915
>>71454897
Kill yourself shitposter
>>71459757
Because they were low budget foreign films no one gave a shit about. This film exploited a real life event and made a white guy save the day.
Backwards ass nigga
>>71459111
>White Privilege
Translation: my ancestors actually worked hard to build the society we have now unlike others
>>71460175
Tarzan isn't a 'foreign film' and Tarzan was always white. I agree with the use of real life events as a bit dumb, but most of your post is retard tier.
>>71460234
Your "ancestors" (if you really are descended from the English) exploited minorities. America was built on the backs of the blacks and the Chinese that your "ancestors" didn't treat as equals. Even though other Europeans came in waves later on they still carry the privileges whites already have in this country
Fuck outta here
>>71460234
You said >the last two Tarzan movies
Well, I looked it up and they were foreign animated films. If you're talking about the Disney film that was a different time. 1990 was 30 years ago
>>71460391
Niggers picked cotton. That's fucking nothing. The Chinese broke their backs building railroads, I'll give you that, but blacks did jack shit for this country, even as slaves. Most whites didn't even own slaves (less than 5%) and there were even minorities that advocated for nigger slaves with slavery was a thing back then. slavery is a footnote in the annals of building western civilization. The fact that idiots like you keep harking on about it show that you know fucking nothing about history in its true form.
>>71460501
I meant the Disney animated film, my mistake.
>>71440801
>Does IGN think the filmmakers should've blatantly ignored the source material and made the protagonist a black man?
Yes.
>>71460609
Slaves didn't just pick cotton you dumbass. You just showed how a narrow-minded racist you really are. They also raised livestock, took care of children, farmed coffee, rice, and tobacco.
Just fucking Google "slaves' impact on the american economy". Do I have to do everything for you?
Are liberals like literally incapable of not making anything and everything a race issue?
How the fuck do they not see they WITHOUT QUESTION the most racist people on the planet Earth?
>>71460847
You're the one who gets assblasted when film makers cast black people mate. I bet you don't even watch movies with a 90% black cast. Racist.
>>71460935
I dont care at all, thats what Im saying. they can cast anyone they want because its fiction
If you are completely unable to see the world except what color peoples skin is you have big fucking issues
>>71460811
>Slaves didn't just pick cotton you dumbass.
That's pretty much all they did, yes. Even if they did more of the stuff you said, that's absolutely fucking nothing and are largely just fringe cases. That does not lead to building a nation in any way, shape, or form. Black slaves, white slaves, 99% of their workload was just fucking picking cotton and that hardly went back into the economy for growth.
Slaves did jack shit for this country and the fact that you're actually trying to argue that this country was founded on the exploitation of slaves, black or otherwise, just makes you look even dumber.
>>71440595
you made spit my food you little shit
>>71460935
>I bet you don't even watch movies with a 90% black cast.
I don't, because they aren't ever interesting.
>>71461010
Calling me dumb doesn't change the fact that you have weak arguments.
>you're actually trying to argue that this country was founded on the exploitation of slaves
I wasn't. What I was trying to say was America wouldn't be a super power that it is today without the help of slaves.
>>71461040
Speak for yourself. I fucking love Madea movies and Eddie murphy movies.
You really are a racist. LMAO
>>71461274
>What I was trying to say was America wouldn't be a super power that it is today without the help of slaves.
Basically the same thing, and you're dead wrong. There are a shit ton of super-powers int he world that didn't exploit slaves like the USA did. Slaves are not a factor for being a Super power, especially not in the case of America.
>>71461274
>Calling me dumb doesn't change the fact that you have weak arguments.
It does when you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about you stupid fucker.
>weak arguments
Coming from someone who thinks the USA wouldn't be a super power without slaves? LOL.
>>71461346
>Speak for yourself
I did?
>I fucking love Madea movies and Eddie murphy movies
That's great.
>You really are a racist.
So? Am I supposed to care?
>>71461346
>I fucking love Madea movies
>It's a genuine nigger discovers /tv/ episode
Is this the dawn of cuckknio?
>>71461346
>You really are a racist. LMAO
>>71461410
You just claimed liberals are the most racist people on earth yet you spout some racist bullshit
Hypocrites, i swear
>>71461481
I'm not even that guy you were talking to, retard.
Christ, this board needs ID's ASAP.
>>71461481
There is nothing hypocritical in that statement since at no point did he imply he wasn't a racist, you triggered tourist. Try using your brain instead of your fee fees ;(
>>71461379
Yep. And you can't disprove my claims otherwise
>>71461481
t. retarded nigger
>>71461539
He literally said "So?"
that fucking implies that he is. YOU fucking third world piece of shit
>>71461546
>Yep. And you can't disprove my claims otherwise
You can look at almost any successful nation on this planet to see that you don't need to exploit slaves to build a successful country.
>>71441478
Someone should ask Brock Lesnar if he can take a Gorilla in a fight
>>71461539
>since at no point did he imply he wasn't a racist
So you agree with me. Glad you understand, otherwise I'd have thought you couldn't even read properly wwwwwwww
>>71461519
Blame jap moot instead of calling me a retard, then, retard
>>71461582
Oh looks, it's the "Black has zero reading comprehension" episode.
What a fucking shocker.
When I watch a movie I don't want to see niggers on my screen, nobody does. They're lazy and gross to look at. If I wanted to be grossed out like that, I'd just buy a day pass to the zoo.
>>71461633
>Oh looks
Oh look, it's a third worlder interferes with subjects he doesn't even remotely understand episode
what a shocker
>>71461631
Hiroshimoot has nothing to do with you being an idiot who can't discern individuals based on their posting times, speech patterns, or posting styles.
Don't try blaming Someone else for your own idiocy,.
>>71461666
>niggerlover calling anybody else a third worlder
>>71461665
A butthurt /pol/tard came across this thread, read the replies and saw that white boys were losing, and actually wasted 10 minutes of his time to write this shit
>>71461693
>>Don't try blaming Someone else for your own idiocy,.
>honestly expecting a black to not do this
>>71461719
>niggerlover
at least I'm still white, unlike you
>>71443627
>>71461724
It may take a nigger 10 minutes to write a sentence or two, but not the other races.
>>71461582
>He literally said "So?"
Yeah, and? What the hell does that have to do with hypocrisy? That implies I don't give a shit that you called me racist. Like I said before, I'm not even that person you were talking to.
You're a fucking idiot.
>>71461693
On an anonymous board you really can't discern individuals.
If you can, I dare you to link my posts and I'll screenshot the >Yous
FUCKING PROVE IT NOW
>>71461807
this is why we need IDs. /tv/s starting to become /pol/ 2.0 that I'm actually scared
>>71461877
>On an anonymous board you really can't discern individuals.
Yes you can. It's doable. The easiest way to do it is to discern between how both people type. Discern between how they use punctuation in the middle of, and at the end, of their sentences. See if they both capitalize. See if they space their sentences or not when they reply to you. Also posting times work. If both posts are within a minute of each other, it's likely not the same person.
Is it foolproof? no. But it works.
>>71462035
If you want a decent discussion it's not even slightly workable.
And I'm still waiting for you to link my posts faggot
>>71461801
Nice retort, Stephen
>>71459757
Because SJeWs are getting older and realizing that less and less people care about their oppreshun olympico bullshit.
So they have to push it harder and harder in hopes that the muds will get angry enough to kill all the white people off when they fail to realize that the only reason why they don't is because they're still the minority.
Another ten years or so and the streets will run red with whitie.
>>71462522
>Another ten years or so and the streets will run red with whitie.
They will run red with everyone, retard. The poor will eat each other alive
>>71462522
>So they have to push it harder and harder in hopes that the muds will get angry enough to kill all the white people off
How is possible to be this delusional
>>71440810
A gorilla could probably destroy you in one punch.
It's like 5 Mike Tysons
>great white savior
>>71462617
You tell me retard who's voting for a soppy vagina.
>>71448211
>need pandering
Nah man. IGN is totally leftist SJW garbage.
>>71460175
>foreign
>low budget
>til a disney animated film is considered a "foreign, low-budget film"
>>71440801
>Does IGN think the filmmakers should've blatantly ignored the source material and made the protagonist a black man?
Do bears shit in the woods?
>>71463001
Only the brown and black ones. The white ones don't. Reminds me of us humans.
>>71444026
>tfw film criticism is no longer about the quality of filmmaking, rather it focuses on whether or not the film has the "right" message
>tfw Ghostbusters is shit, but gets glowing reviews for "busting the patriarchy"
>tfw Free State of Jones is getting panned for "whitewashing" while Birth of a Nation gets glowing reviews because it's about a slave-led revolt and directed by a black man
>tfw Barbershop 3 has an over 90% on RT and in the consensus it calls it "thought-provoking"
Film critics have always had liberal/SJW leaning, but since the #oscarsowhite shit last year things seem to have gone off the deep end
>>71448597
>tfw remembering the blatant shilling for the Force Awakens done by critics and sites like HitFix
>>71463160
Everything will implode soon, for real. We have like ten years tops.
You people are always finding shit to complain about.
>>71462966
>>71462966
>I can't read
The anon i replied to said the last two Tarzan films.
If you're referring to Tarzan II from Disney, it was direct to dvd
>>71463220
>(((Krager)))
>>71463220
The fuck you mean "you people"?
>>71455981
Fuck off
>>71463208
Honestly at this point Hollywood and film as an art form are dead.
What irks me the most if film critics, people who supposedly love the medium, are a-okay with this as it suits their agenda and/or they are manchildren.
>>71449382
>>71463160
>>71463208
>>71463313
this theres like 2-3% of films that are worth a damn nowadays
>>71463313
Hollywood films were never art to begin with. They were always made for profit
>>71463532
there are ones that are both, its not hard to recognize them, not today tho
>>71455981
Fucking John Carter.
Not a masterpiece by any means but it was fucking decent. Had franchise potential that was squandered.
>>71463220
shut the fuck up you fucking retard
>>71463856
would have had franchise material if they didn't jam like three books worth of the material into one movie
>>71455016
>one of the darkest chapters of Africa's entire history is pretty much the dumbest writing humanly possible.
Lol. That shit was par for the course on that continent bruh.
>>71460391
>Implying asians see/treat each other as equals
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
Just saw it
The pros
>Good scenery
>Sam Jackson
>Tarzan backstory handled well
>Decent main story
The cons
>Bad acting overall
>Terrible CGI
>Side plots never go anywhere
>Final conflict with chief is anticlimatic
>Action scenes are pretty much a cartoon
>Really unbelievable to the point where it took me out of the movie
>IGN
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>>71468443
>>71468464
>>71440469
>Great white savior
So when did all critics turn into memers?
>>71468263
>not listening Christoph Waltz as good
massive pleb
>>71468490
>mfw I hear that kind of shut down in real life
It's so pathetic especially when the person they're doing it to isn't even angry or upset and are just point out something.
Do they even realize how childish they look by blowing up like that?
>>71461431
If you only knew...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TChLGi_vi7g
>>71448597
>teeth filled with cavities
>fat numale fuck
I bet he's a cuck as well too.
>>71468490
holy fuck IGN are such morons now
>>71458298
hes right
>>71468538
I love him as Angie, but he really wasn't that good in this.
