Is Cersei objectively a good player of the game?
Yes she caused a nice explosion and can tell people to kill other people but she is now getting too much credit by some viewers for being a great player.
While what she did shows great determination and desperation she basically wins with spite and the power of her name.
>>71409600
Of course she's not a great player, she's a psychotic bitch and can temporarily get her way by being totally ruthless but is a poor planner.
>>71409600
shes good at playing the game shes playing. Unfortunately its not the game everyone is talking about.
>>71409600
Of course she isn't.
Basically every other character left alive has their name in the list of her potential murderers. She is a sitting duck; one who isn't above being brutally ruthless in order to survive, but she won't manage to blow up literally every other main character
>>71409600
>While what she did shows great determination and desperation she basically wins with spite and the power of her name.
So?
>>71409600
FUCK OFF
>>71409600
no. the only people she ever loved are her brother, who she has pushed away, and her children, all of whom are dead with one of those deaths being the direct result of something she did to clean up another mess of her own doing (arming the faith militant).
>>71409600
nah
she makes her decisions based on short-term considerations
emotion over strategy
ie. killing the tyrells and thus casting off their giant army because why?
she easily could have had her murderkids kill the high sparrow and his soldiers in the middle of the night - thereby retaining her child and a fairly legitimate claim to the throne, plus the protection of the tyrell army
>but muh emotions
>>71409600
I wonder what her follow up plan was if Tommen hadn't killed himself. I mean, he did love Margery and he was quite fond of the high sparrow. Surely as king he couldn't have possibly let her go unpunished for murdering his wife, hundreds of people and destroying the oldest religious monument in King's Landing.
People who say she isn't are biased fantards not worthy of listening to.
They easily accept Jon, Dany, Sansa, Arya etc... making the worst of the worst decisions on a constant basis and getting by on pure luck alone. Hell, one of them even died and came back just to take a casual stroll through a hailstorm of arrows without as much of a scratch.
Cersei is someone who knows that there in fact is a game to be played and has known so from the start. While Cersei also makes mistakes, they are far fewer in number and her planning makes up for it.
>>71409600
she's the only one actually playing the game properly
>>71410007
She is playing the game just like Maegor the Cruel and Aegon II before here. They both left a wake of corpses behind them and both were killed after their 'kind of' victories. She's nothing special, its been done before and done better.
>>71409946
Those 4 characters you mention have been the most bitched about by far on this board.
>>71410007
Well, "winning" at the game would ideally mean to have a long reign and your children will inherit the throne. Cercei lost everything, has no military power, has no more allies and no heirs.
>>71409946
poor strawman youve built there
>no one ever lauds any of the 4 you mentioned as intelligent in their actions
>>71409946
>While Cersei also makes mistakes, they are far fewer in number and her planning makes up for it.
What WAS her plan though following the destruction she caused? Tommen would have probably put her to death for the murder of his wife and hundreds of innocent people, or at the very least exiled her. She never planned for Tommen to die, so she never had any plan to get out of that whole situation as the winner.
>>71410484
cersei is quite obviously insane
were you expecting rational behavior from a woman, let alone an insane woman
>>71409858
Her plan was for him to live you knuckle head. That's why she had Sir Clegor block him from going to the boom boom party.
Timmonen has proven to be easily manipulated...1st by Cersi, then Margerie and then the High Sparrow. She would just go and manipulate him again with the others dead.
>>71410571
you expect rational behavior from a woman?
Virgin detected.
>>71410655
you mean married man
>only such could know the depths of female insanity
>>71409600
No, she doesn't understand soft power at all.
She doesn't show herself to be able to know that it's best to be equal parts loved and feared but never hated. At least by your own ally.
She has a problem seeing things from other peoples point of view.
>>71410585
I know her plan was for him to live, but there is no way a king could just ignore the murder of hundreds of innocent people, including his own wife and his father and brother in law. Cercei wouldn't be able to manipulate him after something like that and just talk her way out of it.
And even if she somehow managed to do that, they just lost the Tyrell's. Everyone in King's Landing would be revolting, there is no army to keep the order, which was the whole point of her arming the faith to begin with.
>>71410738
so true..marriage no. 2 to be exact
>>71410585
It's interesting how she obviously planned to prevent Tommen from heading to the Sept of Baelor, but she didn't actually join him in his chambers (or force Robert Strong to bring him to her chambers).
I can't tell if that was a purposeful move, or a lack of oversight; I think both are believable on her character's part.
not really. her only real victories are against people who don't really try to scheme to get ahead like ned and the sparrows.
Tyrion, Twin, granny Tyrell, Varys, and Littlefinger could all easily take her down and the only reason why she's ever made it this far is because she's had their help.
Now, Qyburn and zombie mountain kept her afloat this season, but there's only so much that can be done. She now has the Tyrells, Dorne, the common people, the Dany army coming after her which also includes some Iron Born. The north isn't exactly against her right now, but they aren't with her either. The north and the vale. And with the Freys dead, the Tully army (assuming they didn't get slaughtered when Edmure got recaptured)
Basically, she's got the biggest target on her back right now and almost no friends unless Jaime STILL wants to defend her for whatever reason. Even then, there's not much he can do.
>>71410811
but the alternative was a death sentence from the high sparrow. he was never going to let her live with the chance that she could reclaim control of her son.
>>71410917
name one noteworthy plan tyrion has enacted
>>71409600
The only thing i know is that her outfit in ep 10 made my dick diamonds
>>71410917
whoa whoa whoa..the sparrows didn't scheme? you must be voting for trump also with that level of intelligence.
>>71410907
I don't think she realized he would kill himself.
She's terrible at it. The only reason she's lasted this long is because the actually skilled players considered her largely harmless or even beneficial to their long-term plans, of which she is entirely ignorant. Littlefinger especially enjoyed watching her stumble from one folly to the next.
She's so brainless she never once figured out Littlefinger was a major player. Varys did, even if he was ignorant to the extent which Littlefinger had manipulated events he knew enough to steer clear of him. Meanwhile Cersei hands him titles and authority and lets him do whatever he wants, believing him beneath her notice.
She has so many foibles that make her incapable of playing the game properly. First is her belief that only the high nobility matter and everybody else is irrelevant. That's why she never bothered looking closely at Littlefinger or Varys, and why she casually allowed the Faith to re-militarize. Second is her actions are motivated too strongly by her personal feelings, she refuses alliances or aid that would be beneficial solely because she hates the people offering her help, and similar to this is that she is far too motivated by spite. She undermines her own power just to injure her enemies or rid herself of them.
She's also incredibly short-sighted, making decisions based on her immediate situation and feelings with no regard for how this will impact the future.
I could go on.
>>71411027
It comes back to Maggy the Frog's prophecy, which she had fully believed in after Myrcella's death. I know Jamie tried to talk her out of it, but was she really convinced?
That's why I see it going both ways: either she accepted the prophecy and didn't bother to be there for Tommen, or she really didn't expect him to kill himself.
>>71409642
She's basically a complete hedonist.
What she wants is all that matters, she doesn't take into account long-term planning.
Short term reward for ruthless behaviour.
Margaery and Olena are true players of the game, along with Varys and Littlefinger.
>>71409600
Cersei was wrong in season 1.
When you play the game of thrones, you win, and you die.
>>71411153
This.
She's the stereotypical /r9k/ archetype of the hateful woman made flesh.
Except in the show she's just competent enough to have kept Qyburn alongside and on the payroll by green-lighting his experiments.
>>71409600
The mere fact she was forced into that position proves she's not a good player.
>>71409600
She's on the iron throne. So....
>>71411458
which means she has about 15 minutes left
>>71411416
Cersei has a form of low cunning and when cornered can prove deadly. For other amateurs she's extremely dangerous because of her willingness to cut off her nose to spite her face, there's no telling what depths she will sink to to destroy her enemies or preserve herself.
But the thing about Cersei is that she's utterly predictable. All you have to do to avoid that danger is avoid her notice and avoid being near her. Notice both Littlefinger and Varys are gone from Kings Landing, have been for some time. They know she's entering collateral damage mode, so they just go elsewhere, they don't have to be in KL to manipulate her at this point.
>>71411458
The last 4 people to sit the iron throne got murdered /suicided and their lineage wiped out. Shit aint worth it.
>>71409600
Barren Queen Cersei has no heirs, no lineage, no beliefs, and no goals.
But she gets to sit on an ugly chair and give orders to people for a while, and maybe that's all she's able to want
>>71411458
>STILL wanting that shitty throne
Just fuck my house up senpai.
>>71410946
battle of the blackwater
>>71411889
he enacted the entire battle?
>>71411883
It's all she has left.
Wouldn't be surprised if she tries to throw Jamie in a black cell at this point.
>>71411458
So was Tommen, he didn't really have a lot of power. Cersei's fixation on King's Landing and the Iron Throne are another reason why she's a low tier player. She has this idea that if she leaves King's Landing she won't be relevant, she's focused all her attention and power into King's Landing and as a result she has virtually no power outside the city. She's so tunnel visioned on the Iron Throne she's forgotten it's a symbol for ruling the entirety of the Seven Kingdoms.
As a metaphor, Cersei is that one player in a Risk game who abandons all attempts at fortifying their various holdings to try and take Australia. The other players just throw a couple men on the spots she's trying to conquer now and then to keep her occupied while they snatch up swathes of territory for themselves. Then finally Cersei successfully conquers Australia after a streak of lucky rolls, and is satisfied with herself until she noticed two other players have amassed very large armies on the border of Siam.
>>71411902
yes
>>71411902
Well yes. The wildfire and the chain were both his ideas.
>>71410946
It was his strategy that saved kings landing from stannis
>>71411902
Yeah, his plans fucked Stannis's invasion hard. He was the one who commanded the sea wall be extended, commanded the construction of the boom chain, and production of wildfire to destroy the fleet. He personally saw to the training of the men who would be firing wildfire from the ramparts even.
As if that wasn't enough, he personally led a sally to defend the gates to try and hold out so reinforcements could arrive. Tyrion is like 90% of the reason King's Landing didn't fall to Stannis.
>>71411997
>>71412041
>>71412118
did he make the wildfire?
no?
didn't think so.
fuck that meme midget
>>71409600
Her actions always make sure that she ends up in terrible situations with no positive outcome for her or anyone else.
Her one good quality is that while having a gun pointed towards her head, she knows how to get out of the situation. (Ned Stark telling her to leave KL before he tells Robert, the trial etc. etc.)
Nobody plays the game better than this man.
>came from nothing
>climbed way to top while staying under radar
>nobody wants him dead
Circei plays the game well but she created too many enemies. She ruthless and cunning but in an evil tyrant sort of way. Baelish is ruthless and cunning in very sneaky way. Before anyone realizes whats going on he'll reach the top without anyone even knowing the things he did to get there.
>>71412041
The wildfire was Cersei's idea and he merely improved it.
>>71412248
**forgot pic
>>71412248
>>71412284
>cucked by TWO redhaired rivercunts
Lmaoing desu
The game of thrones is played with whispers and pretty little favors.
Cersei plays with hammers and ugly little threats.
>>71412272
>the wildfire was the mad king's idea
>>71409600
No.
She failed in her goals of protecting her children.
Was stripped of her power and humiliated on a public stage.
Her means of taking back that power weakened the Kingdom.
Now she's in a precarious throne, still probably despised by the people and has a massive target on her back.
Just because she's on the Iron Throne doesn't mean she's a good player of the game.
>>71412248
The story is predictable enough that Sansa will be his downfall in one form or another.
>>71412757
Thats true but he is still the best to play the game. Every other person who is in power right now was lucky enough to be born in a special position. If the writers kept things interesting the series would end with him in a position of power. Hes too smart to do something stupid and put himself in danger but most likely the shit writers will have him do something stupid for no reason
>>71412385
Who knows. He always ends up with a backup plan. If i were him i would just say fuck it to Sansa and the north. Dany is on her way and he has control of House Arryn. They both want the Iron Throne and with his army and her claim it could be a very smart marriage.
>>71412912
the littlefinger character on the show has been flanderized pretty bad by the hamfisted writers
never get any first person book narrative of littlefinger in the books (like varys) so we never really know what they are thinking/feeling/scheming
littlefinger is made out to be one of the shrewdest players on the board in the books, but that doesnt come across as well on the show, imo
>>71409600
She's basically an angry baby who couldn't figure out the game so she smashed the board
>>71410982
Stop politicking, dipshit.
>>71409600
She's riding on daddy's slipstream and is rapidly running out.
>>71413065
Thats the problem. He took out Jon Arryn, Joffery, and Lyza. Has full control of the Vale and was responsible for setting alot of events in motion. Yet i have a good feeling hes gonna be taken out in a stupid way because the writers dont know what to do with him.
>>71413000
>he actually thinks Dany would even consider marrying or allying with Littlecuck
Not only will her Hand not approve of it she would have no need since she could literally burn Littlecuck alive and the Vale wouldnt do shit.
>>71412248
Shame hes going to burn in harrenhall from dragons.
>>71413450
>its a jon x dany fag
Ok
>>71413480
he has the eyrie, why would he got back to a cursed, half ruined castle?
but yeah, if he ends up there while there are dragons in westeros, prepare for the barbeque
>>71413502
Literally what in my post points to that.
>>71413539
Just seems like pottery. The eyrie gonna burn too obviously. Thye think they are untouchable and dragons give no fucks. I just see him returning to court and taking up residence in his actual lands/lordship and biting off more than he can chew for his death.
>>71413634
>what points to that
I dunno. Just a feeling i have and im probably right
Imagine being the guy tasked with placing those candles. You'd think the fumes those leaky barrels gave off would be ignitable too. One wrong blow of the wind and the candle flame tickles the substance.
Well all the great Houses are against her now
so no
>>71412248
Nah, CIA is screwed. Since there are 13-15 episodes left, there is no screen time left for his fuckery. From now on, shit's gonna be very predictable probably.
>>71413745
Seems stupid to me. Hes seems too smart to do something stupid. He has always covered his tracks and except for maybe Sansa and Royce he has no real enemies. The writers can do whatever stupid shit they want but it seems like hes in a very safe position right now
>>71410332
This, ironically Ned is beating all of these motherfuckers from beyond the grave because his legacy lives on.
>>71413774
Jonsa is the OTP. Littlecuck will always and forever be eternally cucked.
>>71413822
I agree. Its really stupid and i hope the writers are smarter than that but his days are probably numbered. I was hoping the show would keep things a little more interesting and different but they will prolly just have an ending the fans will love.
>>71414019
>jonsa
Yea im predicting stupid fan service bs like that too
>>71413899
>Sansa Stark/Bolton/Lannister
>babbys first assassin
>his """""bastard"""""
>a cripple whos about to doom Westeros
Some legacy.
>>71414110
Fanservice would be DanyxJon, every normie wants that.
>>71412248
>>71412284
>came from nothing
Nobility is not "nothing," even if he's an extremely minor lord who rules nothing but rocks and sheep he's still a lord. That affords him a lot.
>climbed way to top while staying under radar
He stopped well short of the top, the top is a dangerous place to be at cause there's not enough room for everybody that wants to be up there. He stayed comfortably below the top and gives the ladder a shake every now and then to topple people above him. He's arguably more powerful where he is than if he was sitting at the top.
>nobody wants him dead
Correction: nobody wants him dead badly enough to actually try to kill him. Plenty of people would rather he were dead, but they lack the means or necessary motivation to try and make it happen. For example, Lord Royce of the Vale would be exceedingly happy if Littlefinger were to die suddenly in a hunting accident.
For the most part though you're right, he did climb up considerably from where he started and managed to secure a place of influence that was sufficiently lacking in glory so as to keep him inconspicuous. He's been very careful to cultivate the image of an irrelevant flea, hopping from one powerful host to the next, serving whoever will protect him and provide for him, so the great lords pay him no heed.
>>71413899
>Ned is beating all these motherfuckers
>Half his kids are dead
>The surviving ones lead miserable lives mostly diametric to the philosophy he lead his life by
>Their major accomplishments are barely regaining the position they lost upon Ned's death.
Yeah he's really cleaning up.
>>71414224
She's his aunt, aren't normies supposed to be turned off by that kind of shit?
>>71412163
>>71409600
She was always doomed by the one thing she wanted most: to live up to Tywin's ambitions. Funny because he planned them for Jaime and in the end Tyrion will fulfill them.
She always wanted to be the brilliant ruthless leader but was too drunk and bitter about her hubby not loving her to rise to it. Jaime never cared, he wanted Cersei and for the kingdom to be peaceful. Tyrion never even noticed he was becoming just like his father but with a sense of morality.
Tywin was never evil. That's just a matter of perspective. He was just willing to do unpopular and messy things to achieve his goals. Even Elia and her kids being killed weren't at his command. He just took advantage of it.
>>71414368
>implying Showfags realize theyre related
>>71414368
This >>71414437
Showfags are dumb as fuck, they still don't get who Jon's father is supposed to be.
>>71414437
>>71414457
The ones I watch with immediately realized this, they were disgusted by the idea of them getting together when they were trying to guess who Dany would get with as a political marriage and Jon was pretty much the only character of worth in Westeros.
>>71414360
Well yea i put in another post that MAYBE only Sansa and Royce are the only two that may want him dead. Sure other people may be happy to see him gone but the same could be said about most character. When i say he came from nothing and climbed his way to the top im just speaking in context of whwre he started and where he is. Ultimately i just want the story to go somewhere unpredictable but logical. Something nobody expects but wont say its bs if it happens. I think Baelish ending up somewhere in power would be great for the story instead of the cliche fan favorite good guys doing it. In any other story i would just assume he was gonna "get his" in the end but GoT did pull of the red wedding and i hope they havent fallen so far from that kind of scenario
>>71414386
Pretty much. If Tywin could have a son that had Jaime's good looks and fighting skill, Tyrion's brains and Cercei's ambition, he'd be the perfect successor. Unfortunately, Jaime has no ambition, Cercei has no brains, and he treated Tyrion like shit because he's a dwarf and because his waifu died because of him.
>>71410007
>god tier players
>Littlefinger, Varys, Tywin
>great tier
>Doran, Euron, Tyrion, Roose
>good tier
>Walder, Olenna, JonCon
>meh tier
>Margaery, High Septon
>shit tier
>Balon, Catelyn, Ramsay
>full retard tier
>Daenerys, Cersei, Robb, Jon Snow
>>71414591
I've long thought that Littlefinger's end game is a reorganization of power in Westeros that makes the old houses irrelevant. If you look at how Littlefinger wields power, he's nothing like the great lords of the realm. He doesn't rely on the prestige of his house (which is only 3 generations old, and unknown to nearly everyone), he has no ancient birthright or claims upon any land or title, he has no oaths of fealty or ancient loyalties to draw upon. What he has is money, contracts with individuals, and ownership of property. He's basically a proto-capitalist.
If I were him, and the realm were in total chaos to the extent that old loyalties and prestige didn't matter, it'd be an ideal time to bind powerful people to a new form of contract based on wealth and property rather than honor and fealty. If not for the whole Fire and Ice plot behind him I would think he'd have the lords of Westeros renting their castles from him by the end of things, but he's probably gonna die eaten by an ice spider or something.
>>71409600
Saying she is a good player of the game is like saying an exterminator who only uses cannons is good at his job.
>>71415088
>she's undefeated at chess
>true enough, whenever she's about to lose she upends the table and has her opponent executed
>>71415064
I agree with this list. Everyone you placed in full retard tier put themselves in shitty positions and have to rely on the intelligence of others to fix everything.
She's a pawn who thinks she's a player
t. Littlefinger
>>71415178
Chess with Tyrion:
>keeps serving you wine and telling you amusing anecdotes that have you in stitches
>you don't notice that a couple times when he reached to fill your cup he switches some pieces on the board
>you wonder how you lost but you can't remember the game very well
Chess with Varys:
>he doesn't play with you, but sets you up against somebody else and gives you advice on how to play
>it all sounds perfectly logical at the time but somehow you end up in checkmate
>still, you thank Varys for all his help anyway
Chess with Littlefinger:
>he throws the game and then collects a large wager he made on you and uses the winnings to buy your debt so he can blackmail you later
Chess with Tywin:
>on either side of you are two very large, muscular gentlemen who occasionally crack their knuckles and roll their shoulders
>Tywin stares at you unblinkingly the entire time, he doesn't even look at the board when moving his pieces
>you forfeit in 5 turns
She is an emotional retard with plot armor. She'll get her comeuponce and be knocked down a peg but d&d are too pussy to ever kill her.
>>71415524
Chess with Ned:
>he plays reasonably well until his own pieces turn against him
Chess with Dany:
>she loses all her pieces but keeps getting new ones
>>71409642
>>71411357
what these plebs are trying to convey is, she's a good tactician but a poor strategist.
>>71415524
I like this anon
>>71415795
>>71415524
Chess with Sansa:
>she trips and her eye is impaled by her bishop
Chess with Melisandre:
>she loses
>uses Lord of Light magic to undo your moves until she wins
Chess with Jaqun:
>a man makes bad moves to lure you into his traps
>before a man loses, he pulls off his face
>Arya stabs you across the table
This smirk is the only expression she's capable of making.
Natalie Dormer has a condition. What's her excuse?
>>71415956
New chess with Dany:
>she eats the board
>>71415984
>Natalie Dormer has a condition
What? Closest thing I could find on Wikipedia is that she's part Norwegian but that doesn't explain her constant smirking.
>>71409600
She fancies herself Tywin with teats to be sure but she's pretty shit tier at the game
Fun character though
As the show and books both show
She's great at getting into power, but terrible at keeping it
Stole the kingdoms from the baratheons, lost it to her son
Effectively ruled the kingdoms by her other sons young age, lost it because she used that power poorly
In the books she's about to get that power back now that the only one to claim the throne (kevan as lord regent) is dead she'll probably like in the show, destroy the sept or by other means kill Bernie
She will then lose it to daenerys or Faegon
>>71415984
I actually like Cersei's expression(s). I think it suits the character well, to have a permanently smug face.
>>71416063
Fetal alcohol syndrome
That's why her face is so weird and her tits are shit despite that butt
>>71410917
Tyrion couldn't. Not in Kings Landing anyway. He is univerally hated and reviled for being an ugly little dwarf and has had a goods chunk of his good will and planning either misunderstood or the credit stolen from him entirely
>>71410917
She could have Euron as an ally
>>71415064
Robb could've been great if it wasn't for Cat being a cunt. Ironically her treating Jon like shit killed her son
I was listening to the audiobook History of Ice and Fire or whatever and its got my hyped for a few things like:
>Kraken horn
>Krakens brought forth from the horn
>Ice Dragon
>Wyverns
>That one continent the size of Westeros that no ones really explored full of cool shit like Wyverns
I think I just like mystical creatures
>>71416412
>muh honour! muh honour!
>but let me break this proposal, no biggie
>>71415956
Melisandre is basically Yugi the King of Gets
>>71416499
He was conflicted. Doesn't help they were banking on Guest Right and honoring your liege lord
>>71409600
No. Having allies is more important than defeating your enemies. Even if you were able to defeat all at once (which she didn't) more will pop up. She defeated the enemies of today at the cost of having allies tomorrow.
>>71415795
>Chess with Dany:
>she loses all her pieces but keeps getting new ones
*snickerdoodles*
>>71416412
Robb's death is as much on Ned as it is on Cat.
>>71416571
Actually with the exception of Jaime if he had listened to her he would be better off
>told him to keep Theon close as a hostage
>told him to keep Jeyne as a mistress
>was planning to talk some sense into Robb before Greatjon opened his big mouth and ruined everything
At this point I don't know what the fuck Cersei is trying to accomplish.
All her kids are dead, she's blown up half of king's landing and antagonized literally all the civilians in it, the Tyrells, the faith, and the rest of her own family.
She has no allies except maester Palpatine and Darth Gregor.
At best she has days to live until she gets randomly assassinated.
The smartest move she could make is to give up the crown to whoever and retreat to Lannister territory with her inner circle.
>>71416751
Agreed. There's nobody in her line to take over when she dies, and she can't have more (pseudo)legitimate children unless she remarries, which she won't be able to do because nobody likes her or her house any more. She played herself.
>>71411889
Well, actually, if you wanna go by the book here, Tyrion's chain and wildfire caused quite a few casualties at the Battle of the Blackwater the real reason Tyrion won was because of Edmure, Edmure engaged Tywin's forced and cut them off from the west which lead Tywin to put more focus on King's Landing until he could meet up the the Highgarden forces,. Had Edmure not struck against Tywin, Tywin would have have been encircled by Robb and cut off from both the Casterly Rock and King's Landing which would have massively changed the outcome of the battle.
>>71416863
At this point Tyrells and Dorne is actively going to be against her and the rest of the realm is barely in contact with Lannisters to begin with.
Freys are both incompetent and the head of the family eliminated by Arya.
Since the show long ago abandoned all logistics I'm not sure how strong the Lannister army is, but it can't be that strong since they needed Tyrells to march into King's Landing for them.
>>71409600
She lost the game of wits and had to play dirty.
I don't know about you guys but she looked sexy as fuck in that leathery royal outfit with the metal shoulder pads.
I'd totally volunteer to get some heirs going with her or blow up landmarks, whatever.
>>71416751
>At best she has days to live until she gets randomly assassinated.
Someone underestimates plot armor :^)
well after that nude walk where people were throwing shit, piss and cum at her for like an hour I totally get why she wants to explode the entire city and/or have Gregor torture them.
>>71417079
>Qyburn walks in
>my queen I have something to whisper to you
>Cersei leans closer
>stabbed in the neck
>Qyburn is actually Arya
there, spoiled it for you
>>71409600
>good player
Plot is the only reason she hasnt been assasinated yet, Madama Tyrell was probably planning on poisoning her along with Joffrey but someone didnt manage to get that.
>>71410917
>The north isn't exactly against her right now,
>implying Sansa isnt gonna want vengeance for her being the reason Daddy, Rob and Mommy are dead.
Maergery's arc now confuses me.
It's like she's always lingering on becoming a master schemer with some sort of payoff coming up down the line but now she got exploded and that's that.
>>71417433
Her arc has always belonged to Olenna that's why.
>>71417433
She was the reason that Cersei lost her place. Her arch was only set to serve as the catalyst for Cersei's eventual downfall. While Cersei is an a place of power and achieved her goals, she cannot hold them and will crash that much harder.
TL;DR
She was a plot device
>>71409600
her death will be fun
>>71417617
I feel like it might end up being quick since everyone knows it's coming anyway. The only surprise is who will do it? There's at least 10 characters who have good claim to most deserving of killing her.
>>71417652
Arya, obviously.
Arya's entire arc is wasted if she doesn't get to assassinate someone important and the most important person she could kill is Cersei, the queen.
>>71409600
lots of people can get to the throne, its about keeping it
fucking jaime sat on the throne after he killed the mad king, but he decided to let someone else have it
>>71417714
She still has a chance to kill Littlefinger when he turns on Sansa. I think that would be enough for her development.
I wish she had more enemies to kill.
>>71417859
Littlefinger is hardly comparable to someone sitting on the iron throne.
if you're going through the trouble of developing someone as an assassin for the whole series you might as well have them kill someone REALLY important.
at this point Sansa can order Littlefinger to be eaten alive by dogs and nobody would give even quarter of a fuck about it
Let's see.
>Tried to murder a kid that saw her having sex in his house
>Murdered the king just because she hated him
>The war of the five kings started because of this
>Made sure to humiliate her brother, a good player of the game
>Her firstborn was murdered as a result of the death of the king and the war
>His father died because she wanted his brother dead
>Her daughter died as a result of the death of Oberyn, champion of his brother
>Her last son was seduced by Maergary as a result of her not marrying her firstborn
>She armed the faith militant to annoy the Tyrell house
>Faith militant captured and publicly shamed her
>Her son was brainwashed by the faith militant she created
>Her last son died when she destroyed the septum out of lust for revenge
>Now holds a throne with no allies, not even Lannisters as she killed the head of the family, and several enemies coming directly to her
>Jamie will probably hate her and kill her
Seems like a real shitty gamer.
>>71417652
Let's see, the people who want Cersei dead include:
>Daenerys for the throne
>Olenna for Maergery
>Ellaria for the Dorne shenanigans
>Tyrion probably for screwing him at every chance
>Arya for killing her dad, etc.
>Sansa most likely for the torture she endured in KL
>Jaime potentially for killing their son/half the important people
>Littlefinger to eventually claim the throne for himself
Am I missing anyone? Those are all the most powerful characters I can think of right now excluding Jon Snow.
>>71416728
Agreed. Robb pretty much spit on Frey's face by choosing to marry a nobody rather than his daughter. The idiot chose his feelings over diplomacy. He deserved to die.
>>71417953
youre probably right m8
arya has become such a useless awkward character. the only way to redeem her arc as best they can probably will result in her killing cercei.
>>71409600
I want her to smother me with her pussy.
>>71413899
thats the thing about ned, jon and bobby b. people call them stupid because they arent cunning backstabbers. but their allies love them and are willing to die for them
you cant rule anything for an extended period of time if everyone doesnt want you to be king
ned and bobby b ruled their respective areas (the north and westeros as a whole) for their entire lives
tywin seems to be the only character show (in the show) who is beloved by his allies and also great at being cunning and deceptive to his enemies
>>71415064
thats a great list, except that despite autism-hate i would move daenerys to at least meh tier. she did end up with dothraki, dragons, unsullied, the second sons and an ironborn fleet
>>71409600
Frequently turns supporters against her.
Too many Short term destabilizing moves too soon.
Limit yourself to one major assassination per decade and shits cool. But 5 in like a year. c'mon.
>>71411866
I don't think she's barren.
>>71418364
Tyrion is a very skilled politico and I think if he was normal height would've been loved by his allies. He fought at Blackwater and rallied the army to hold strong but never really got any credit for it from anyone.
He was at least loved by the men at the wall for listening to their plight and working to make their lives better. He's probably not even hated by Sansa or Jon because he showed them both kindness.
>>71417972
Varys for the good of the Realm
Spiders still likely very loyal to Varys.
Double agents.
Whose gonna win the Cercie Bowl
>>71409679
imagine arya using joffery's face to get close to her and kill her
Wait, was Kevan at the sept?
>>71409600
No, but her lack of diplomatic skills, her insane overestimation of her own cunning, and sheer ruthless will to survive make her a compelling character.
If anyone thinks Cersei is good at politicking, they are fucking delusional.
She's pretty much a sexy version of Kefka.
>>71410917
I think Jaime sees her for what she is now unless D&D decide to fuck it up.
Does anyone feel like Arya is so detached from the story that she basically can't reenter the story in a meaningful way?
I really liked her but basically everyone has assumed she was dead and no one is left to care she's still alive except Sansa. But it won't really change anything now.
>>71409600
Funny when Ramsey did this psychotic shit everyone shook their head in disgust but when it's Cersei from the beginning it was just "You go girl!"
Fuck this nu-generation.
>>71409754
Two of her children died because of her.
Joffery:Brainwash him to act like her.
Tommen: Trying to play queen and killing the real one.
I would say that the girl died because of the angsty environment she enticed in the first place, but I don't think it counts.
Point is she cares about the throne way more than her children.
>>71419563
I might be the only person who thinks Theon deserved what Ramsey did to him. Fuck that guy for conquering Winterfell at the worst possible time.
>>71419415
yes
>>71419107
thats a good point, even people who hate the lannisters dont really hate him. dany hates them the most and is cool with him
if he looked like jaime he would be the king already
>>71419563
>it's a misogynist has selective memory episode
What show were you watching? Everybody loved Ramsay. So much so that they made his character in the show much more relevant than he should have been.
>>71418364
This is one of my favorite aspects of the story. Once all the old-school men, all of whom truly saw war firsthand, died then the realm descended into chaos.
Ned and Bobby B. died and war started.
Tywin ended the war, but when he died, the realm was completely up for grabs.
>>71419694
They loved watching him as a wild beast waiting to see how he'd lash out next.
No one legitimately says he's the best person to lead or justify his actions like they do to Cersei.
>throne itself known to be physically dangerous to sit on.
>not setting up a desk nearby, instead.
cersei is like the 8-year-old who's so shit at the game that people who do know what they're doing overestimate her and get caught by surprise
she only got away with the bombing because nobody thought she could possibly be stupid enough to paint that huge a target on her tight ass. other than qyburn (who's only in it for mad science) and zombie mountain (who's a zombie), she now has literally no friends and allies beyond whatever lannister forces won't side with jaime if/when it comes down to that
even then, marge still caught onto something being wrong, and would have saved half the people cersei was trying to kill if the hs weren't being pointlessly stubborn
basically everything else she's done since ned died has either failed impotently or backfired spectacularly. tywin walked all over her, tyrion subverted her influence every time he could (shipping away myrcella, locking away pycelle, etc.), the tyrells killed one son and stole away the other, and putting the faith in power ended with her imprisonment->walk of shame
Do you think Hannah Waddingham brings the bell into the bedroom?
Like, pegging a bloke while ringing it and proclaiming
>SHAME
>>71415825
>tactician
>strategist
How do they differ?
The Lannisters have been the de facto rulers of Westeros for the whole freaking series. Clearly they're doing something right. Cersei may be unsubtle, but she knows how to wield and hold onto power. I think a lot of neckbeards are just uncomfortable with that 'cause she's a girl.
>>71409600
She's great at winning via conquest but terrible at running a kingdom, for example.. everyone that's proven to be a good Hand is either dead or her enemy (I don't know if her and Littlefinger are enemies though)
>>71419694
>So much so that they made his character in the show much more relevant than he should have been.
Does anyone think he won't kill Roose in the books?
>>71421540
Tacticians have all the sick moves.
Strategist would never need to use them.
Its generally a short vs long term outlook.
Look at my blade of infinite stabbing it can outstab anybody, says the tactician in a loud voice so everyone can hear.
The strategist whispers in the ear of the crossbowman who shoots the tactician in the back of the head.
>>71410981
>I fuck my brother because I love the way he feels inside me
That shit kept me hard the whole episode.
>>71419563
please, continue crying
i collect meninist tears
>>71418419
Only because she's a Mary Sue
>>71409600
I JUST WANT HER TO WIN FUCK THAT MARY SUE
>>71418419
God i´m sick of that boring bitch
>>71409600
>Is Cersei objectively a good player of the game?
If the game ended when you proclaim yourself monarch I guess.
Unfortunately for her the "game" doesn't actually have an end point and everything she's done to get crowned was short-sighted. She had her flunkies declare her Queen but three of the Kingdoms (Iron Islands, Dorne, Highgarden) are now in open revolt. The Vale is questionable and the North is doing its own thing.
Plus there's the whole ice zombie apocalypse coming no matter what Dany and company do.
>>71415064
God Tier - Little Finger. Varys
Great Teir - Olenna, Margaray, Tyrion Tywin
Good Tier - Roose, Sansa (now... formally shit)
Meh Tier - Walder, High Septon
Shit - Cersei, Cait, Robb, Jon, Ramsay
>>71423750
I don't think Sansa's playing at anything.
If she was she should have waited until Jon died to send in her knights and take the North unopposed.
Or she could have been even smarter and said "Also you guys I have a fuckhuge army of knights coming this way, all we have to do is lure Ramsay out and then they can wreck his shit. My knights are totally fucking ninjas, nobody else will even know they're even here until it's time to charge them."
Instead she keeps it a secret and gets everyone who was originally willing to support her and all their forces killed.
Which might suit Littlefinger but he didn't plan it either.
Seriously the plot in ep 9 was retarded. Well-shot, but if you even think about it a little bit it's infinite onion layers of retardation.
>>71411931
Well said.
>>71422475
But the Strategist says, "Okay we need to fuck this person up for our long term, very clever goals".
And unless they send someone with his awesome knife of infinite stabbing (someone with tactics), it's never going to get done.
Plenty of strategists watch as their plans fall apart when they employ plebs who can't achieve their goals.
>>71410981
I wish they'd had her slick her hair back, similar to pic related.
It would have looked sexier, and fitted her having a new look to regain her image. Why would she stick with the humiliating page boy fuck up that people associate with her SHAME.
I mean I know why. Wig.
>>71426163
Fuck.
>>71414901
He had Tommen as grandson. I was well expecting for him to live, abdicate and be granted Casterly Rock as he's tutored by Jaime or Tyrion.
>>71416728
Is the greatjon the dumbest snownigger of them all?
>>71419651
no, he deserved to have his head cut off.
his entire arc about becoming theon again saved ADWD
>>71409600
>had the game won for her by big daddy tywin but fucked it up with short sighted prophecy faggotry
what do you think anon
>>71410738
Number 3 here. Butches be cray.
Tywin rightfully said that she thought she was much smarter than she actually was.
Her arming the faith militant as a power play to fuck with the Tyrells was a prime example of how Cersei is really fucking bad at the game.
>>71409600
Literally ONE goal. In her entire life, Cersei had ONE goal.
1: Don't let my kids die.
2: There is no second goal.
She fucking failed THREE TIMES at this goal, and has gained nothing.
She didn't want to be queen, she just wanted her kids to live. Hell she fought against marrying Robert. She failed. at the simplest thing in the world, and she failed at it because she is bad at the game. Every single death was avoidable. In fact, the only one that she did not directly contribute to was Myrcella's.
>>71426180
NNNGHHH MY EYES
>>71426848
so she is gonna kill herself for sure
>>71409600
She will remain Queen in the end. Screencap this.
>>71428775
What? That's pretty hot.
