Why does this guy get so much hate?
Honestly, everyone seems to be happy he got cooked up, and I get some of it... But consider for a moment, just for a moment, that HS was a good guy.
This guy has insane power but still chose to live in pig shit, dressed like a beggar. He doesn't abuse his influence, he doesn't abuse his power to fuck whores or snort milk of the poppy.
He doesn't think he's better than the commonfolk, he's humble, eats the same shit the people eat, wears the same shit the people wear. The dude can't even be bought off. He was the only person delivering justice on Cersei and all the highborn playing their game and getting tens of thousands of villagers raped and killed in the process. The only guy standing up for the actual 99.99% of the kingdom that the nobles were supposed to protect.
"BUT HE PERSECUT GAYS"
It's a medieval show, you dumb fucks. Mel burned a kid at a stake randomly for her beliefs but I don't see anyone giving two shits. Every single character from the show has blood on their hands. HS bro didn't even kill anyone, just did some redecoration on Loras.
only libcucks hate him
>>71386282
>Why does this guy get so much hate?
Degenerates don't like someone like him that stands for virtue.
They hate him because he was being portrayed as an antagonist
His motives are understandable but he stood in the way of Cersei which made him Cersei's enemy so it was understandable she would take actions like that against him. His religion would be ok but it basically has it's own court system enforces it's rules quite violently, like a certain religion of peace.
Smug, old, preachy fuck. What's not to hate?
>>71386362
spotted the libcuck
>>71386282
Reminder that /tv/ loved this guy until Darth Cersei roasted him.
/tv/ is always going to follow the leader.
>>71386315
>>71386388
>literally a liberal, practically a commie
>libcucks hate him
what's your logic guys?
>>71386282
He is the good guy who will be hated by libcucks. Like Stannis Baratheon. Like anyone who has principles and will go through any length to enforce them.
>>71386390
/tv/ has good taste he was the best actor on the show full of bad actors and the last classically trained actor whose character hadn't been killed off yet
>>71386415
>liberal
>commie
That makes no sense.
>>71386446
what?
>>71386282
He shoves his POV on others.
Just like any typical religion does.
>>71386282
Firstly, he's against all the characters we have watched for countless hours, and even though those characters might be evil, they are still characters we have come to know. They are what comes close to being the hero of the shows, and he's against them.
Secondly, he's being just as evil as the rest of the cast by fucking killing and persecuting everyone who disagrees with him. So what if he wears a grey robe? He's still willing to kill people for his personal views. He just does it for different reasons.
Not that I really dislike him that much. I thought he was a nice character, But it is understandable and screaming LIBKEK...LIBKEK! every time someone digresses with you is just sad.
>>71386415
I'm a huge pink lefty and I liked both HS and Stannis
It's clear the show runners really wanted us to identify the faith militant as bad guys with that stupid face carving bullshit though. The show has never expressed the same level of empathy with the common people that the books do
>>71386483
Communism is not liberal in fact it is quite the opposite as it opposes freedom.
>>71386315
This.
>>71386483
In what universe are Communist Liberal?
>>71386483
liberalism and communism are exactly the opposite in terms of economical doctrine
>>71386415
> practically a commie
You know that he is religious right? Communists were/are state atheists.
>>71386446
For some reason in America(which in turn has spread it to the rest of the world) liberal=socialist these days. Even though liberal is in the middle spectrum, possibly even conservative.It's funny, I think quite a lot of people on 4chan are more liberal than they realize.
>>71386511
Thats not strange, considering libcucks shit on the common people.
>>71386282
He was a maniac - the reason he lived in such poverty was because he was immensely envious of the Luxury and Abundance of the nobles. He wanted it so bad, and realised he could never have it, or that he could never live it entirely so he choose poverty.
He's a giant hypocrite, a fundamentalist who read the texts in a way that only he and his flock see fits. "The Mother is merciful" - he was not.
I'd also like to point out that the homophobia is a completly added part of the show. Nobody in the books cares about Loras, Renly and Oberyn buttfuckery, even though half of the kingdom seems to know.
>>71386582
>He wanted it so bad, and realised he could never have it,
Didn't he say he had it? But abandoned it when he saw the depravity?
>>71386556
atheism is not central to communism
as long as the workers own the means of production anyone can believe whatever they want
>>71386582
It's revealed in ep9 that he became rich as fuck, just walked out on his gold-plated house and naked whores laying all around
>>71386390
>until
I still do.
>>71386639
Its not a part of socialism but it is a part of communism. It is one of the reasons that socialism is not such a dirty word. Communist regimes shut down mosques, churches, temples, etc hence the fear of godless communism. Marx claimed his views were based upon Darwin and he rejected all religion.
By the way, the High sparrow is a tad religious. Actually that is the whole point of his character. So how the fuck is he a communist or a Marxist lel?
>>71386626
>>71386640
He is not cured of it, since he reveals to Tommen that his greatest sin is Envy.
I think he's subject to two powerful contradictory forces in his mind. He wishes to resolves the dispute by forcing everyone to be poor.
>>71386639
Exactly. To Marx religion was bad because it was used to control the people, not bad in itself. There is a whole branch of Christian Socialism btw (and they are as far from the HS as you can imagine)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology
Anti religious sentiment.
Let's say he succeeded.
Tommen becomes the King he wants, makes a deal with Jon Snow, defeats Daenerys and outlaws private wars between Nobles. He then goes on and defeat the Night's King.
He goes on to create religious schools to the poor folk, diminishes taxation, etc.
People would still see him as the bad guy, for being socially conservative and religious.
I have seen people saying Tommen was a worse ruler than Robert, who drank away the Kingdom's budget and who only cared about himself. Why? Because Robert did not care about religion.
When Tommen's only mistake was not completely take away Cersei's power.
>>71386282
because he played the gameyou just lost it
>>71386282
>Why does this guy get so much hate?
Because he was a smug, arrogant cocksucker who imposed his will on people when they did not ask for it. When fuckers like that finally get their comeuppance, it is always satisfying.
>>71386769
>is not central
>is not part
>>71387637
lmao, the people are getting raped in their asses all the way from king's landing to winterfell. did you watch the last 5 seasons? villages burned, women raped, kids raped, it's heavily implied that the country is going to shit over the nobles squabbling
the people did ask for it. the only reason he pulled the shit he pulled is because the peasants would have had an uprising if cersei had thrown him in a dungeon
>>71387587
This
>>71387697
Okay so explain what that has to do with the high sparrow
>>71386814
Liberation theology is actual herasy
>>71386639
communism was a civil religion that was supposed to replace traditional religion
shrines to important figures in people's homes etc
>>71386359
the one objectively true answer
>>71387637
How so?
Explain how he imposed his views on people without being asked for it and in a way that is different from other powerful characters.
>>71386639
>>71386556
>>71386518
>>71386446
Take this shit to
>>>/pol/
>>71388070
>implying /leftypol/ scum belongs on /pol/
Let them go to /lit/ or /his/.
>>71386282
>He doesn't abuse his influence, he doesn't abuse his power
>He doesn't think he's better than the commonfolk, he's humble
He abuses his power and he thinks he's better.
He breaks the fundamental law of any universe which uses gods to explain how everything came to be, the law of free will.
It doesn't matter what mythology we use, anything that supports the creation of the universe and life by god/gods means that everything was created by an act of an absolute free will, the will of gods, who are/is absolute so his will must also be absolute, which means that everything created by that act of free will also, in its fundamental core, also has a spark of it, and since an absolute can't be divided, that spark is also absolute.
From this follows that any god that doesn't respect the free will of anyone can not be a god, or hi words were misinterpreted or twisted to fit someone elses desires/world view.
From this he either isn't a representative of god or he doesn't understand the gods whose will he supposedly follows.
He is a criminal.
>>71388050
Well, most of the main characters don't ask questions, they just kill everyone or let everyone get killed. Thankfully they're not HOMOPHOBIC, imagine if the Mountain was a HOMOPHOBE? That would really make him a terrible person!
His scenes were boring and he was portrayed as an antagonist.
You ape.
Because religious nutcases in positions of power are a danger more relatable to the present world than those of evil nobles and feudal society. Even in the developed world you find people abusing such powers to rape kids, scam, manipulate and fuck up gays.
>>71387166
kek, "socially conservative" is often a cover word for homophobia
The only things that make HS be a commie would be looking like Bernie Sanders and wanting everyone to be leveled to his own warped vision of a perfect society.
>>71388098
How does he abuse his power? How is he worse than the other powerful factions?
Rhllor priests have this annoying habit of burning people. How are they better than the High Sparrow?
The Iron Throne is actually anarchic and respect free will?
>>71388235
Spotted the faggot.
>>71388235
How was he a danger to the world?
>>71388338
What have the other priests got to do with him? What does the iron throne got to do with him?
We are talking about him, or are we playing the dualism game? The black and white game? The if you are not in this camp you must be in the other game? The if this guy is wrong than the other one is right?
You do know that this kind of thinking is responsible for all the wars and political manipulations of people?
Oh this guy sucked when we elected him so that means that this guy who is speaking against him must be the good guy, surely they can't both be fucked up, or surely they can't both be alright?!
He thinks that he has the right to force anyone to live like he sees fit, and he uses the "gods told me so" argument, that alone makes him a criminal, for the reasons I explained above, this doesn't have anything to do with anyone else.
>>71386282
>I have people plucked off the streets and locked up to be starved and beaten because they offend my religion
>but it's okay because I'm poor haha
Fuck him and his medieval ISIS thugs
>>71388235
>muh gays
It's the dark fucking ages you halfwit. Women are property, people can't vote, and literally nothing happens to you when you crush a child's skull, then rape it's mother with the brain still on your fingers. I suppose that no matter how backward a society is, le homophobia is the real evil, right?
>>71388458
So, by your definition, is anyone with real power, either in the book or in the real word, not a villain?
Because everyone with power imposes his will on others.
How did these bunch of homeless fucks just rock up into town one day and suddenly take over?
>>71388563
They were always there, moaning and complaining how they're getting raped by random armies, asking for Cersei and the king to send military to defend them. It was draining the budget, so Cersei though she'd be very smart if she allowed them to carry weapons (something that wasn't allowed for decades, we saw why the past two seasons).
>>71388532
Well if we have a universe where free will exists, a universe created by gods, from their free will, than in this universe, The Law of Free Will is the highest possible law, because it is the first law, the very first reason why anything that was created exists, the original free thought of the gods, and the first act that came from this first thought is the first reason for creation so, by definition, anyone who breaks it also breaks the very first law of creation, the law behind anything which exists.
Does he force people to think like he does? Yes.
Does he force people to live how he sees fit? Yes.
He breaks the fundamental law.
No not anyone with real power but anyone who imposes his power to break/bend others will, to force his/hers beliefs onto others.
If I come to your house and start ordering you around, enforcing my beliefs on you, am I not breaking your free will? Am I not imposing my will onto yours? Am I not a criminal?
>>71386282
His entire thing was an act. He was using religion and his false piety to destabilize the wealthy and eventually would have stripped tommen and cersei of their power and probably instigated a plan to rule the kingdom.
His false claims of holiness and his whole attitude of being hollier than thou just got annoying when he was realistically playing the game just as hard as the others.
>>71388509
Among all of those dangers, religious homophobia is the most relatable to the audience. The other ones can be quickly disregarded as too fictional for our reality. Everyone knows gay people or has gay friends. You don't have to live inside the fucking Islamic State to see how their freedoms are impaired just because they fuck in a certain way religion does not approve of. So, in that case, the ball hits close to home, and the HS is hated because of that. It's almost like (gasp) this was indended by the writers, right?
>>71386518
if only libcucks understand this
>but its not real communism you see
>>71386532
in contemporary western societies? Have you ever been to a college campus?
>>71388169
But he was up against Cersei, another more major antagonist.
What I think OP is trying to say is that he was the lesser evil so he shouldn't get shat on so much.
But he should also remember that he was a radical religious person, and that shit doesn't sell well right now for obvious reasons.
>>71388509
>>71388868
>>71386282
Because not having the "muh gays" message would make him too sympathetic of a character.
In the books the Sparrows do not persecute gays. Many of them are Riverlanders, running to KL from war and famine. They have a point, but because we still get a Cersei POV with her thoughts and feelings, we get to sympathize with her and mistrust the High Septon.
>>71388703
Everyone with power does this. Doesn't Daenerys also do the same? Or Jon?
And they are the two heroes of the show.
>>71388169
This. His speed of talking pissed me off to no end.
>>71388761
Do you have any evidence of this?
>>71388868
The only thing that matters is how you deal with gay people?
>>71386532
American political English tends to turn around the original meaning of words. Liberalism and communism are almost polar opposites yet in American English they have gotten are very similiar meaning. Same with "federalisation". While originally it means decentralisation of power, in american english its often used in the meaning of centralisation ie giving more power to Washington.
>>71388703
You dun fucked up somewhere down the way.
The high-school level free will hypothesis is purely philosophical and as such has little real merit in determining what's criminal or not.
Not to mention that there are a million theories opposing the very idea of free will in humans, and let's not even talk about the others that don't include free will being the original law of the universe
From your logic, restricting any acts of "free will" is criminal. I'm not sure where you draw the line. Am I free to shit in the streets? Am I free to jerk off on the buss? Am I free to dig up people and fuck corpses? No harm done, right?
Then you're go on to say it's criminal to act in a certain way WHICH DOESN'T GO IN LINE WITH YOUR OWN PHILOSOPHY ABOUT FREE WILL
>>71389064
Doesn't jamie admit to several crimes infront of him but he never once makes him answer for his crimes because he wouldn't gain anything.
High Sparrow was a good guy for Kings Landing and Westeros, even If he was a little preachy
The Great Houses are completely fucked and do not deserve to rule Westeros at all
>>71389176
Yeah.
Instead he sends Jaime to Riverlands because Bernie isn't interested in him, Jaime is irrelevant to his plans at that moment.
What he wants is to put Cersei in a mental cage, just like everyone else in the position of political power.
>>71389269
Well there you go his 'justice' is opportunism.
>>71389406
>>71388703
>>71388486
>>71388169
>>71388098
lol at these libcucks bending their asses over and beyond to find a reason to hate this guy
look at this ape-level shit
>i was bored
>he doesnt follow my philosophy
>he uses opportunities to his advantage
>he is a communist
>fuck his MEDIEVAL worldview... even though he's located in a MEDIEVAL fucking WORLD
jesus fucking christ i could deconstruct every single human alive in a similar way and label them as a shitty human
>>71386282
He didn't do anything wrong. Only communists and jews hate him.
he's basically everything nietzsche hated about the jews and christianity
>>71389632
You're a fucking idiot and a liability to whichever side of an argument you identify with.
>>71389155
You do realize I am talking about a universe created by gods/god? This is a thread about GoT right? From the start I was clear that this is all hypothetical.
But explain me this, oh meme user, if we are talking about a universe created by gods, and since anything done by intelligent life, even in this world, first must be thought of, than how is, in such a universe, the law of free will(which is a consequence of a free thought) not absolute, and anyone who breaks it not a criminal?
Also it's not my philosophy, it's logic which follows if everything was created from will.
Are you free to shit in the streets? I don't know, who am I to tell you that?
What you should ask yourself is if what you are doing restricting someone elses free will.
For instance if I shit on the street, will someone else smell my shit, will someone else throw up from it, will someone else step on it? Am I affecting, in a negative way anyone else by shitting in the street?
Let's say I play guitar, if I play loud enough for my neighbours to affect their current actions, am I not imposing my music, which arises from my will to play, onto them? What if I play so that the sound doesn't leave my room, or what if I come to may neighbours and try to come to an agreement if it would be okay to play my music louder for a certain amount of time, if we come to agreement, which arose of their free will to let me play louder, am I still imposing my music onto them?
>>71389006
Who says they are heroes? In my mind, she is an annoying asshole, it's my free will to think that.
So what if everyone with power does this?
>>71390176
Which powerful person in the history of mankind was not a criminal, for you?
>>71390141
This is absolutely retarded. This is a nave form of libertarianism. Where did you get those ideas?
>>71390308
That's a tough question, first of all I don't know all of mankinds history, but from what I know, probably no one. I don't believe there is a person alive who didn't at least once in their life time impose his/hers will onto someone else, power of no power. I know I'm guilty of it many many times in my life.
But what has that got to do with anything?!
He literally let Margaery go free as long as she'd convince the king to support the faith.
He is corrupt as fuck and no god or law would approve of this.
>>71390372
What's retarded, you didn't actually say anything, you just pointed with a finger and said that's retarded.
Do you people have discussions outside of internet, have you ever had a philosophical, hypothetical discussion, outside the internet, in your life?
Why are you so emotional about it, we are just discussing different philosophies and world views, why would anyone be emotionally invested in his or someone elses philosophy?!
>>71386315
Conservatives should hate him to
see: >>71390418
Honestly it was the smug. He's smug as hell and it's annoying. He's also a tad authoritarian with the entire Religious thing and, in the current zeitgeist, it's cool to be hip, free, and liberal. Most kids don't like a figure telling them what to do or how to live their lives.
>>71388095
Don't ruin my /his/
Hated just about everyone in that room more than him tbqh, in fact high sparrow was pretty likeable after the Cersei ordeal
>>71386282
He's only pretending to be pious, that's why I hate him.
>>71386282
At first, you can think he's humble. But as time passes, he wants to gain more control and stands right next to the King, and even before him if i recall.
His principles might have been good at first, but he quickly wanted more.
>>71390437
But...you are being emotional right now, anon.
What is wrong?
>>71390418
He also literally garnered power to help the majority of the population and feed it, why are you acting like all of the nobles aren't pieces of shit? there was literally no one in king's landing with a good goal what everyone there was trying to achieve is restore the status quo and HS was the only one putting those dumbasses on their place
>>71388923
are you fucking retarded??
How coulda regulated economy based state be liberal?
You americans are dumb as bricks
>>71390592
How am i being emotional?
I asked you what's retarded.
I asked you if you had discussion outside the internet, and I asked you why you are emotional about a philosophical discussion.
Than you didn't answer and you tried to shift the focus.
>>71386282
>power hungry individual hides behind religious agenda
>>71390682
Jesus...just read yourself again. You sound triggered. "I asked you, i asked you"... this is not a job interview. No one has to say or do anything here.
I'm not the guy you wanted to reply to btw.
>>71386415
>guys
>implying two posters were not the same 14 year old >>>/pol fag
>>71390796
I sound? Are 100% sure you're not projecting just a little bit? Is there no way you attributed something to my post which isn't there? 100%?
No, but this is, at least I thought that it was, a discussion. How do you propose a discussion is conducted? The OP presented his view of a character and asked some questions, people answered, presented their view and asked some asked their questions.
I was asked questions many times in this thread, I answered all of them, than explained my answers, and asked some of my question, of which almost none was answered by the way.
What's wrong with this?
And by the way, contrary to others, I never once said that someone else is retarded, or that his opinion is stupid and never said that I am right or infallible, and I also only started asking people about their emotional state once they implied (not asked) about mine. I also not once shifted the discussion from the theme to someone else, that is I didn't have an argument that was personal, unlike other people.
How do I sound triggered?
>>71386282
High Sparrow:
>Has the interests of everyone else at heart
>Sends Faith Millitant to kill sinners
>Still does the wrong things, but for the kind of right reason, as he only cares about people being strong in faith
Cersei:
>Literally only cares about herself at this point, not even family, didn't really give two shits when Tommen died.
>Blows up a religious building, full of not only her enemies, but plenty of innocent civilians
>Does the wrong things for the wrong reason
The Sept being blown up was definitely not the worst thing ever, as the Faith Millitant were fucking shit up in general and needed to go, but it wasn't exactly the best thing to happen either, as now we've got a Mad Queen on our hands. What it was was a phoenix moment, Cersei was down in the shit, but now, she's embraced her vile cunt nature, and got all the power she had before and more, wiping out most of her enemies in the process.
High Sparrow was the lesser of two evils, hell, lesser of three depending on your views of the Tyrells.
>>71390388
So, why do you single out the High Sparrow as the super bad guy when everyone in history and in the show does the exact same thing you are accusing him of?
>>71386282
Yeah, he's a nice guy, but he's a fascist who wants to enforce his own beliefs on everyone else. I didn't hate him. Wasn't happy to see him go. He wasn't evil, but he was wrong.
Also, who the fuck actually likes Mel? She's a bitch. It's just that she's insanely hot.
>>71390437
This is not a serious philosophy discussion . You are just saying imposing your will on others is bad, without saying why.
>>71391154
I never singled him out. I never compared him to anyone, I was just talking about him, and him alone.
I also stated this several time throughout the thread.
>>71386282
>This guy has insane power but still chose to live in pig shit, dressed like a beggar. He doesn't abuse his influence, he doesn't abuse his power to fuck whores or snort milk of the poppy.
>He doesn't think he's better than the commonfolk, he's humble, eats the same shit the people eat, wears the same shit the people wear.
All of this is just image designed to fool idiots like you. He was all about concentrating power in his hands so he can enforce his personal beliefs on people. Fucking whores and doing drugs would have absolutely no impact on anyone's life but his. It's fucking irrelevant but dumbfucks eat that "look at me how pure i am" bullshit right up but are too unaware to notice who's silently fucking them in the ass as they do it.
>>71391205
How is it not?
How am I not doing something wrong if I am trying to shape someone and not letting them develop their own way?
I'm not a god, I'm not perfect, how can I force my views onto others. I don't consider other people ball of clay.
>>71391214
Yes, you are. What you are accusing him of is common to all of mankind, yet you have a disproportionate hate on him.
>>71391236
He got more power to improve Westeros. He didn't do this because he wanted to personally profit from it.
Even his moral Crusade in the show was aimed at this. Prostitution and promiscuity are bad for society. He gains nothing by banning this, society does.
>>71391416
What? Where?
I just said why I consider him a (not The) bad guy, that's it.
I also stated that what I am accusing him is common to all of mankind. I never said he is Especially evil, or The Evil, or before unseen evil, or a special/new kind of evil. For instance I don't think that Cersei is any less evil, just for instance.
>>71390176
Free will isn't real. You are literally made of atoms that just obey physical laws. That's it.
>>71387978
Prosperity gospel is double heresy since it's heresy + a big scam.
Besides there is nothing wrong with a bit of interpretation of holy texts.
>>71386282
He abolished trial by combat. The whole idea of trial by combat is that divinity will make the one who is right win, no matter who they chose to fight.
If you believe in gods, then you believe in that trial. If you instead chose to eliminate that trial to perform some mockery where he is judge and executioner (it's not as if the other 6 septons in the trial had any saying) so you can kill Cersei then you don't believe in the gods. And if he doesn't believe in the gods all that he's there for is power. He's the same as Cersei and Margaery (and she knows it and that's why she ends the charade and says screw the gods), he wants to achieve power by manipulating an impressionable young idiot who happens to be the king.
>>71391296
So, let's say you went back in time and met Charlie Sheen. Would it be evil to try to dissuade him of following the lifestyle he became famous for?
>>71391050
It seems like you are easily being manipulated by these anons. Looks like they are asserting their will on you t b h
>>71391568
I, at least 3 times, said that this is a philosophy from the world which was created by gods, I never said or implied I am talking about this word, I said once that I am talking about a hypothetical situation.
>>71391553
This thread is about why he is considered worse than the others.
>>71386282
>He doesn't abuse his influence, he doesn't abuse his power
lies
>He doesn't think he's better than the commonfolk, he's humble
more lies
>>71386446
The more leftist you are, the more borderline communistic you tend to become.
Sadly the stereotype becomes true, once one starts advocating agaisnt a few conservative opinions, he will invariably start picking up opinions of his own that borderline that of communistic utopias. However some perception of libs is also skewed by conservatives and their doomsday attitudes
Starts like this:
Liberal starting point
> I should have the right to marry who I want
> I should have the right to smoke what I want
> Everyone should have healthcare and a few universal rights
Liberal progression phase 1
> I should have the right to marry who I want
> I should have the right to smoke what I want
> Everyone should have healthcare and a few universal rights
> Maybe the government should enforce a few rules to make sure that happens
Liberal progression phase 4
> I should do what I want
> Everyone should do what they want and not suffer for it
> The government has to enforce a lotta rules to make sure that happens
Liberal progression phase 5
> I should do what I want, but everyone is keeping me from it
> I should get more money
> I should get a lot of things but I feel that doesn't happen
> I disagree with that thing, it should be regulated
> The governemt should regulate all these things I think opress me or are dangerous
Liberal progression phase 6
> Regulate everything that keeps everyone from doing anything that gives them unfair advantages, perceived or not.
> Everyone is the same
> Everyone has the same rights
> The government has to enforce that
Liberal progression phase 7
> In the government we trust
The irony is that an extreme liberal is the exact polar opposite of that an extreme liberalist, yet they bot are so fucking similar, all you gotta do for the liberalist is replace any positive view of the government with a negative one and end phase 7 with "Fuck the Government"
>>71390141
>oh meme user
Jesus Christ man. Just... Fuck.
It's not logic, it's entry-level philosophy and you probably just came home after reading about it for the first time, because you're constructing your argument around it very poorly, but sound very eager to talk about it - even though it's very out of place.
Your own assumption cancels itself out. You claim that the law of free will is ABSOLUTE. Following your shit logic, free will itself is absolute, thus being beyond manipulation, beyond breaking, beyond being acted upon or being subject to change. As such, there cannot exist a crime against this absolute free will as it is untouchable.
So people cannot end up not restricting free will, just some actions. Okay.
If a God is inherently good, and he must be in this theory - why did he create world where our actions are constantly restricted by factors out of human control - if he didn't consider that it was alright for human actions to be restricted?
In the end, the very concept of "punishment" and "crime" goes to the shitter
I don't have any more time to argue but it's shit
>>71391059
The Tyrells were alright. Margerey would have rule somehow efficiently - you don't have to love your people to be good to them.
Besides, the High Sparrow is IMO a conflicted man. He is devoured by envy and disgusted by it at the same time. These two forces are at contradiction in his mind and it is what makes him crazy and overly zealous.
To solve the dispute, he wants to feel rich without actually being rich - so everyone must be as "poor" and "low" as him.
>>71386486
That's not on religion. That's human nature. Atheists shove their POV just as much as any religious.
Whether if you shove it or you don't depends on your sensibilities, not on your system of belief.
>>71389064
Gays are the natural aristocracy to the modern western man so don't be surprised when a charachter that should be liked cause he is against the 1 percent like your average liberal likes to scream still gets hated for the crime of homophobia.
>>71391296
>How am I not doing something wrong if I am trying to shape someone and not letting them develop their own way?
>implying parenting is evil
You have to be under 20 years old. Jesus Christ.
>>71391549
What does Trump gain by yelling some shit about building walls and sending sandniggers back home? It's all a game and you are either too naive or stupid to see through it.
Nobody will ever reach that level of power in any society unless they are a self absorbed sociopath because the competition for that spot is filled with self absorbed sociopaths who will beat your Mr. Goody Two Shoes every single time.
>>71386282
Because religious extremism is still very harmful and cucked, and the leaders are even craftier and smarter than typical tyrants. You like him because you're comparing him to joffrey's rule, but if he wasn't killed he would have enforced his morals on everyone or death.
>>71391645
I don't know, I can't make such a decision, feel uneasy about influencing someones life
If we were friends and he asked my if thought that's it's a good decision to take so much drugs I would answer that I don't know if it's good for him but that I wouldn't do it in my life, I could only say that medically it's probably not a good idea.
>>71386486
this desu
>>71391685
He used his power for the better. Also, he does consider himself as much of a sinner as everyone else. He said so.
>>71391680
Learn how to use basic punctuation pls.
>>71391720
He actually was very rich before giving his fortune away to the poor.
>>71391783
>humiliating the queen is "for the better"
>creating a church run army is "for the better"
no m8
>>71391720
Agreed, Queen Margaery would have been the best option.
I think it's more that he's incredibly self righteous, like "Well, I've devoted my life to the 7, gonna be all poor and low and humble and shit", then he gets given control of the church, and decides that his way of being is the best way to be, and so enforces that on everyone.
>>71386282
He stunk of shit. I could tell just by looking at him.
>>71391709
This kind of armchair psychology is ridiculous. In fact, hivemind thinking and "In government we trust" is almost systematically attached to right-wing extremism.
>My pain is irrelevant, only the glory of my Emperor/my Race/my Nation matters.
>People must die so that our race may survive.
>We should produce children, be zealous and conservative for the glory of our Emperor/Nation/Race.
>I take pride in the accomplishment of my race, even if I did little in them.
>>71391710
Well ok, never said I couldn't be wrong, you make a good point.
Also I was talking hypothetically about that world.
>>71391731
Anon go outside. Nobody thinks gay dudes are a "natural aristocracy." People are still fighting to stop them from marrying.
>>71391774
Who's tits are they?
>>71391912
the response of many people on this board says otherwise, but whatever
>>71386769
Communist regimes shut down whoever opposed them. Many religions happened to do so, so they were forced to STFU. In Russia they didn't shut down the Orthodox. In Bulgaria and other eastern-european countries neither.
Dictatorships ban or allow religions based on the political convenience of doing it, not based on ideals.
>>71391854
As a desperate attempt to resolve his inner conflict. He crawls money and is at the same time disgusted by it. It is the only reason he hates the rich more than he loves the poor.
We also don't see him helping and protecting the common people, rather directing their wrath and seizing power for the Faith.
>>71391868
I think that's because of my personal theory of the "inner conflict". What do you think of it.
>>71391769
Would trying to convince Charlie Sheen to live a different life be evil?
>>71391885
Nationalists/racists are universally personal failures who look to identify with their nation/race in order to take credit for things others did and feel less bad about their own shit lives.
>>71391950
Again, go outside. 4chan is not representative of the real world and that's not even true about 4chsn anyway.
>>71391720
I think Margery would've been a bad ruler as much as Cersei.
Think of it, she is just as power-hungry as Cersei, if not even more. She is more than willing to degrade herself to achieve power or manipulate others. She is a turncloack, a schemer, a shrewd manipulator. The only thing that is different from her and Cersei is that Margery is patient, and doesn't let honor get in her way.
This is a woman that admitted she took it up the ass just to please Joffrey about Renly's "ways" (at that point, the show had been hitting she was still loyal and resentfull about Renly). She partook in Joffrey's torturing and sadistic ways to get on his good side, she then changed her behaviour to fit in Tommen's platonic views, changed her behaviour to manipulate Sansa, tried to pull the same trick on Cersei but failed. She allowed herself to be tortured by the Sparrow, AND her brother (the one she loved), just so she could be allowed to rule and get revenge on said Sparrow (much like Cersei).
Except Cersei is just as much as Tywin as is Tyrion, and Cersei on.
*cue Rains of Castamere*
>>71387166
Tommen was an idiot. Not because he chose to follow a religion, but because he allowed a guy to manipulate him using religion as an excuse.
That being said, between Tommen and Robert I chose Tommen, to be honest. If I were a random dude living in Kings Landing I wouldn't give a fuck about Cersei and Thomas being screwed by the religion. Tommen seemed like someone who wanted to do what's best, and after so many assholes holding power I'd even be relieved to have such a king, at least as long as it lasted.
>>71391864
The Queen that killed the King, slept with her own brother, killed dozens of innocent people and so on?
Would you say that was too harsh for what she did?
Also, what was so bad about the Faith Militant?
>>71386282
nobody likes fanatics of any shape and form
>>71391864
>humiliating the queen is "for the better"
Are you a fucking retard?
>>71392000
Trips confirm theory to be true.
But no, there's not really anything that gives that impression to me. He lived a wealthy lifestyle, then chose his path to be poor and faithful. He chose to give away all his wealth, he chose to see that as the right and holy lifestyle, and he chose to try and enforce his way of life on others.
There is no conflict IMO, he's just a zealot with power.
>>71391885
You should realise by now, that both extreme ends of the political spectrum, left wing and right wing, end up so similar that it's a wonder they don't end up in bed.
There is a quote somewhere about how both extreme leftism and extreme rightism would both end up in a facist utopia, with different motivations.
Liberalism however, would end up in an Anarchistic Utopia, if taken to the extreme.
>>71392065
>Except Cersei is just as much as Tywin as is Tyrion, and Cersei on.
>completely inept
>completely destroyed Tywin's legacy
>the same as Tywin
>>71391868
Margaery would focus on improving her family wealthy and power, not on the well being of the realm.
Also, like it was said on the thread, pretty much everyone pushes their views on others.
he felt the bern
>>71392022
Yes.
Specially when "convincing" involves torturing Charlie Sheen by sleep deprivation, public shamming and the constant and imminent threat of physical violence.
>>71386486
You mean kind of like homosexuals do?
>>71392065
>only thing that is different from her and Cersei is that Margery is patient, and doesn't let honor get in her way
> Margery is patient, and doesn't let honor get in her way
>and doesn't let honor get in her way
>different
>implying Cersei gives two shits about honour, when she burned so many innocent people just to get her way
He's a self-richeous, dangerous hypocrite.
He preached absolute service to the poor and needy and a complete eradication of human wants, but sought absolute power - and he achieved it through blackmail and violence.
At least Cersei knows her own cruelty. Joffrey reveled in his. Even Stannis acknowledged his own brutality, as misguided and self-serving as it was.
He's a dictator who disguised himself as a humble servant. We hate him because he's the most dishonest character on the show.
>>71392205
And what if he ended a better and happier person after the treatment?
>>71391864
The church didn't want it's own army at first. They asked for protection, because bandits, pillagers and armies raided their churches are raped the nuns every time they passed by. Cersei is the one who figured it would be cheaper to just arm them and let them run their own army.
Then they went straight for her, because the cause of all those rapists and pillagers was the constant squabbling of the greater houses. Tens of thousands of civilians die, then the great houses make up like nothing happened (see Tyrells and Lannisters) In fact, you could say the Tyrells and the Lannisters were getting their comeuppance, the Sparrow didn't go after any of the people in the show, nor did he try to force peasants to anything.
>>71392057
Do you really think that 4chan is more gay friendly than America or middle Europe?
>>71392069
Would you say anything the HS said to Tommen was wrong?
>>71392146
You missed completely missed the point of Cersei showing zero to little emotion this entire season and the entire point of the whole "putting on her dark, skin tight scally leather dress that looks exactly like Tywin's jacket" scene.
She is becoming Tywin. She doesn't even smile when torturing the Septa.
The Sept explosion is pretty much Castamere 2.0. It's rouding the Lannister enemies who thought they could take advantage of the Lannister weak moment and making an example of them, then leaving the ruins of their "Great Castle" as a reminder for all to see.
>>71392254
"Better" is subjective, what if 70% of the world population thought he is a better and happy person right now?
Who are you to decide how he should behave?
Why are you are trying to justify brainwashing?
>>71392276
Considering the ammount of Trap threads and Gay threads and threads asking about fucking other dudes or dudes dressed as women, I'd say 4chan is 100% more gay friendly and open minded than the rest of the world, even tho we like to call ourselves faggot a lot.
We even have and entire SFW board dedicated to worshiping men who exercise.
>> /fit/
>>71392357
Do you think Charlie Sheen is a happy person?
>>71392306
Of course not. The HS isn't an idiot. If he says something that is wrong by his standards he shows that he's a hypocrite.
But look at his acts. He abolished a ceremony where the will of the gods determined the outcome so a group of septons would determine it instead. He puts his council of seven over the will of the gods.
Look at the trial. The other six setpons are there just to "warm the chair". As those guys you have in some companies just to say yes when a motion needs to be approved. They have no voice. Everything is an act that the septon mounts. He's quite eloquent, so people believe in him. But he's at the end doing his will.
On the other hand, you have septon Meribald, the one who was with Clegane, as an example of a positive religious guy. He doesn't judge, he does pray, but he's simply telling his truth, you are free to either listen to him or go away. He's not looking for power, he's not looking for influence, he's trying to atone.
>>71392130
no m8
are u?
>>71392591
So, you can only be good by being completely passive and by not trying to improve the world?
>>71386415
>super religious
>condemns fags
wew lad
>>71392504
It's not for me, or anyone else to say how happy a person is, or how happy should that person be or to dictate what he/she has to do in order to fit my view of happy, let alone enforce it, my dictator friend.
Funny, if I suddently decided to torture you doing something you don't wanna do because it fits my views of happy, you wouldn't be so forthcomming with that opinion.
I think you are quite spoiled sir, you must be the kind of self-righteous individual that likes to judge the liberty of others but throws a fit when someone brushes one of your liberties.
>>71392655
You can only be good by doing good. If good requires you to be passive, then you have to be passive. If good requires you to act, then you must act.
The HS didn't act because goodness required it. He acted because he wanted more power. Even if he fools himself and tells himself that it's for the "better" of society, he's a hypocrite. Yes; he should've been passive in the trial by combat matter. Because trial by combat is decided by the gods. The mountain would've been killed by whomever was the other side's champion, because Cersei was clearly a sinner.
>it's a "faggots don't know the difference between socialism and communism" thread
>>71386415
>What's your logic guys?
That a person preaching communism against feudalism is admissible because there are legitimate grievances.
Westeros isn't really capitalist, and the HS doesn't intend on changing that anyways. What he wants is accountability from the royalty. And if you're actually viewing the series from a reasonable POV rather than "I want X character to live because I like them" then HS is a good guy.
99% of people would like him if GoT was their reality. The royals are absolute shit almost everywhere and have not earned what they had. That's the difference.
Commies want to take the hard earned money of job creators while HS wants accountability from houses that have power due to lineage.
>>71392866
branches of the same tree.
Venezuela tried to be a socialistic state. It's doing a great job at being communistic tho.
>>71392806
You are saying that happiness is subjective and that maybe miserable, suicidal Charlie Sheen is happy?
>>71392866
Socialism only works in countries that have unlimited resources.
>>71388923
>americans
>>71392881
You are missing the point that HS doesn't want the royalty to be held accountable.
For all he knows, the Cersei&Jamie rumours are that, rumours, yet he acts on those without any proof.
His end game is, he is setting himself up AS a THE ruler of the 7K.Nothing can happen with or without his say. Much like the church did with medieval europe.
>>71386282
self righteous people are cunts
/thread
>>71392930
Way to ignore the arguments raised up agaisnt you and escape through a tangent.
Answer me friend, if I decided to torture you into throat fucking a snapping turtle, because that's what I decided is what makes everyone happy, would you be so forthcomming with your opinion of forcing others to do what you think is happy?
> that maybe miserable, suicidal Charlie Sheen is happy?
And how exactly do you know he is miserable? Because your mom told you so?
He is banging women and doing drugs and surfing on money, that seems like the time of a lifetime.
>>71392961
And since no countries have unlimited resources, we can all say socialism doesn't work.
>>71392915
>somebody begins to talk about anything even remotely related to the left
>Muh Venezuela
Everytime
It's not far off, because in our real world, all social, economic, political and scientific progress has been made by the church in the Middle Ages.
>>71392591
You mean Brother Ray?
>>71392866
>>71392915
>>71392961
Brazil had plenty of resources (still do, their whole country is literally sitting rick deposits of all minerals in the table)
It tried to be socialistic. Plently of rights for everyone, universal healthcare, public jobs gallore, the government is here to be your mum and lend a helping hand and make sure everyone gets the same.
Look at what happened.
You got an entire generation that is dependant on the public sector, which is failing, and doesn't know how to do anything else and can't get another trade.
An elitistic private sector (and rightly so) that will not hire unqualified people from the public sector because those people don't know any trade/have any specific knowledge or don't know the job.
You got a government that went bankrupt because all the social programs cost more than the amount of cash it can generate and because the ammount of public jobs is draining all their remaining money away, since it's prevented by law and unions from lowering salaries, and prevented from lay-offs.
You got a government that won't allow the private sector to step in and generate income because of political ideology. In fact, you got a government that heavily believes taxation is the answer to everything, essentially bankrupting the citizens while bankrupting itself.
Because plebs can't for a second think "maybe the seven in some sense are real" they approach the show in a cold, "rational", materialist manner when its a fantasy universe with magic. They see parallels of him and real life religious zealots and compare the two, which they only appear similar by a small glimpse.
>>71386282
He worships false gods. The 7 aren't real.
Lord of Light and Faceless God are the only true gods.
>>71393414
Technically, since we all know Death is real and tangible, since we all know it's inevitable and we will all feel it's "touch" one day, we could say the Faceless God is real in real life too.
>>71393252
What in Brazil mainly happened: Completely overvalued currency due to carry trade speculation that made it impossible for Brazil to build a bigger industry sector.
>but nuuuhhh it's all the gubbament
>>71393456
But people aren't given the power to steal faces by FG irl.
>>71393484
Brazil's currency has been underpriced since it adopted the real. It's barelly been able to keep up with the dolar and it's always been at least 3x lower than the Euro.
The only time it almost caught up was when FHC adopted less idealistic based economical policies, which caused the country to boom. Then Lula stepped in and decided to invent a fictional oil well to drive the currency value higher while simultaneously putting socialistic policites into hyperdrive, causing the shitstorm that we see today.
Get out of here you Argentinian.
>>71386415
>a commie
>he's bernie sanders
What? Seriously he's hardly any of those.
He's not even trying to overthrow the social order of Westeros he just wants to enforce his religious and moral principles.
>>71390418
How is that corrupt?
>>71393665
I mean to say their instead of his.
>>71393535
I don't think the Faceless God requires them to steal faces... after all, he has no face and isn't stealing faces himself. He just happens to exist in many religions. So, no, he doesn't steal faces, people give him faces.
Stealing faces being mandatory is more of a thing of the Faceless Men. Being given a face fits more with the God's motiff.
It's just like that thing with the Muslims thinking they need to multilate themselves once a year or the Catholics with the wine and bread. Jesus is probably going "MOTHERFUCKERS, IT WAS JUST A METAPHOR."
>>71393047
Charlie Sheen is quite famous for his depression issues. If someone found a way to convince him to not be such a hedonist, he would be happier.
But looking at your posts, it seems like you can't see further than hedonism.
>>71393484
Brazilian here.
That's completely false. Who told you this ridiculous theory?
>>71393234
Yeah, sorry, I meant Brother Ray.
>>71393644
You probably never heard of it, but there's something called real exchange rate.
Enjoy your failing free capital flow theories.
>>71386282
Cerseifags.
>>71392980
His end game is making the Seven Kingdoms better.
For that, he needs to fight the evil of the realm, which includes most of the Lannister and Tyrel houses.
>>71393960
I don't need anyone to tell me this.
It's obvious that the currency of a country with high inflation rate should depreciate. But the opposite happened in Brasil thanks to carry trade speculation.
>>71393993
Yeah, there is a real exchange rate, but the problem in Brazil is not that. Not even Dilma says that.
>>71386282
He acts this way so that he can feel morally and spiritually superior to other people when in reality he is just as much of an asshole as them.
>act
>>71386282
>Why does this guy get so much hate?
Because he's literally Bernie Sanders
>>71394090
The currency of the country did depreciat, except in the last few months due to Dilma's fall.
Do you think our problems only started the last few months?
>>71386282
Because fuck the Seven. The Old Gods are the only true Gods.
>>71388703
But free will doesn't exist.
>biggest cuck in the show apart from Sam
>e-evrywun is equal unda da gods
>literal sjw manifestation
m-muh normies hate him! you're literally a sjw if you liked this piece of shit
>>71386282
He was my favorite part of the past couple of seasons, so I'm actually really sad to see him go. It was fun watching him make all the nobles sweat buckets. I do like how he went out though and how Cersei dealt with the problem in a way only she would.
But if you actually think he was a good guy, you weren't paying attention. There's a few things, some even happen right before he dies that show he isn't the good guy he claims to be.
We'll start with the biggies: He lets Margery go in exchange that Tommen puts the both of them, Crown and Faith, on equal footing. He's now got the same power as the King, but in reality he wants even more than that.
If Cersei had actually gone through with her trial, she would of been found guilty (seeing as it's just him and six other dudes that believe everything he says judging her). Being found guilty of incest with her brother along with cheating on her husband Robert would then make Tommen an illegitimate bastard, and one born of incest too. He'd be hung the same day, and Cersei would have to either be a septa or would swing next to her son.
That would leave the only person to rule as the High Sparrow himself, since he is on equal footing with the King anyway, and there is now no king, or queen for that matter, to put him in check.
What's kinda sad is I don't think he started off wanting to be the schemer. I think it was once Cersei made him High Septon and gave him some real power that it started getting to his head. That he was tired of the nobles he was suddenly forced to deal with telling him the religion that saved is life was dumb, and that he was just pretending to believe. So he decided to take care of all of them at once.
So was he evil? I would hardly say so. You can cry about how Loras gets locked up, but notice how it's JUST Loras when the other homo was totally fine and there was obvious political implications the High Sparrow wanted from it?
>tfw your mother loved your narcissistic and sociopathic psychopath brother more than you
JUST
>>71394132
>implying that's not why he's so good
>>71390535
This.
>>71394409
Maybe because Cersei herself is narcissistic and sociopathic?
>>71386282
/r/sandersforpresident leave
>>71388013
Communism can only be said to be a religion in a broad sense.
>>71394202
I'm talking about the entire 2000s until now. The Real was highly overvalued.
>>71391709
exactly, any form of government or lack of it won't stop the people that have more than you from ruling you, and people have a tendency to go the easier way, ie shitting things up, no matter if rich or poor. There's really no solution to the problems of mankind, first world democracy is probably the best we will ever have, unless we can create robots to act as slaves for us.
>>71394400
well said
>>71391750
>Nobody will ever reach that level of power in any society unless they are a self absorbed sociopath
Most teenage redditor thing I have ever seen posted on all of 4chan. Well done.
>>71397073
And ignores that people like Marcus Aurelius and Louis IX existed.
High Sparrow haters = ignorant
>>71388098
How did he "abuse" his "power"?
>>71400377
By punishing poor, innocent Cersei.
>>71392591
On the show the seven septons trial is an earlier church tradition than the trial by combat. You can't hold it against him for realizing it was a load of bullshit invented by the nobility to win any case against a peasant.
>killed of with medieval WMD because "lol, we forgot to kill of characters throughout the season, let's make good on that"
Who wrote this piece of shit?
>>71386282
He was only im it for the power. His facade cracked in one of his dialogue's with smirkington. He only wears beggar shit to craft an image. If he were truly pious he would have let the people out of the building instead of blindly following his plan to kill Cersei
>>71394400
I'd add the "Margaery, we need you preggo asap" so he can put Lannisters another step farther from the throne.
le no evidence man
>>71402900
It served other purposes than killing off characters.
1) Karma on the HS because people/normies hated him
2) Disposing of skirmfu
3) Setting up Cersei as a villain
4) Closing the whole "da Faith" subplot
5) Tipping a few fedoras
His death had also been foreshadowed. It was not *that* random.
>>71403076
My theory is that he was pious only because of an internal conflict between his lust for power/wealth and disgust of it. To solve the dispute, he want everyone as poor as him.
>>71403458
>Karma on the HS because people/normies hated him
Wat.
He was one of the best written characters and the best actor of the whole show.
Does he die this bitch death in the books as well?
>>71403547
The books have not been written.
Normies hate him because 95% of them root(ed) for the Tyrell and wanted their power fantasy resolved.
he's probably the best proof that cersei is an emotional idiot
Because he's a fag that has no idea how to wield the power that he has been given.
>>71386511
The Andals (the people who brought the faith to Westeros and conquered all kingdoms in the South) did carve those stars on their heads according to muh lore. It's not so strange to think a reactionary movement like the Sparrows would resume the practice.
One of the few show innovations I like (book faith militant were just bland Templars n shit).
>>71386559
There's nothing conservative about liberalism. They're just condidered on the right these days because the true right (monarchists n shit) has long since passed and liberals precede socialists (at least at governing).
Both liberals and socialists are egalitarian and are basically sister movements but with different approaches.
Proto-liberals and proto-socialists both sat on the left in the French parliament preceding the revilution, opposing the monarchists on the right. It's where we get the left/right divide from.
>>71403317
The High Sparrow was actually right.
In monarchies, the most important job of Queen Consorts is to have kids.
He's Bernie so of course he had to go.
>>71386282
because he hates homos and it's 2016
>>71394400
I'm just sorry he was killed in such a ham-fisted Deus Ex Machina way. I wish there would have been more intrigues between Cersei Marge and him.
