First Contact appreciation thread
>>71365949
SWEET JESUS!
It's a mixed bag, but still far better than the other three TNG films
>>71365949
ASSIMILATE THIS!
>Worf then has a purple space bazooka
>>71366035
This, honestly it's only good in comparison to the other TNG era films. It's an alright scifi action film, little more.
>>71365949
it was like they were on some kind of star trek
>>71366051
SPACE BAZOOKA
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its the best trek movie by far
where would you like this line drawn
>>71366124
Yep. The "Picard with PTSD" stuff was so out of character and cringey.
Truth be told that was the failing of pretty much all the TNG films, none of them really captured the characters of the show. Data and Picard especially.
First Trek I ever saw and I was blown away. The Cochrane stuff helped me understand the appeal of Star Trek, and Picard's plot was intense and didn't upset me because I knew nothing about his character before watching the film.
>>71366317
Did you watch "Family" family? He never got over the Borg. Even after Hugh he still hated them.
Why if they have a transwarp conduit close to Earth do they continue to only send one Borg ship?
I like the Next Gen TV series but all of the Next Gen movies are bad. The cast just didn't have the chemistry to pull it off on the big screen. The plots in the movies are terrible, especially the one with the Borg Queen.
>>71366999
The movies are fine if you watch them at home pretending they are a two-parter (except for Nemesis, fuck that noise). The movies were not so great in theaters. TUC was the last good Trek movie.
OOOOOOBEE OOOBEE OOOBEE
>the final physical Enterprise filming model, the Enterprise-E, was built for First Contact. Everything was digital after tthat
RIP models
>>71367346
CGI only really caught up to models around 2005. Shame.
>>71367346
by that point in ds9 they had already gone digital.
>>71365949
The holodeck scene was top tier.
>>71366899
Because the Borg want to "farm" humanity to its greatest potential. Everytime they send a Borg cube to Earth, humans get inventive and pull tricks that the Collective wouldn't have thought of. They're slowly but surely grooming humans into becoming perfect assimilation material.
Look at how Voyager developed that nanoprobe torpedo to defeat Species 8472. Even with the vast resources and knowledge that the Collective had, the Borg lack creativity and innovation to do something like that. They adapt, but that's more of an automatic response than an actual coherent thought.
>>71366317
t. RedLetterMedia
>>71365949
Third best Trek film behind Khan and Voyage Home (The three of which combined suffice to prove the historic Even-Numbered rule), First Contact revisits the Moby Dick imagery of the former, as well as the time traveling device of the latter, albeit with a significantly different antagonist and plot.
Also cool to see is the titular event itself, at the film's end. Lucky that we (they) met the Vulcans first, and they (the Vulcans) didn't think too ill of us.
It did nothing wrong
I don't appreciate it. It's fucking garbage. And "i-it's better than the other tng films" is no acceptable defense.
>>71368197
No, the answer is because the writers are fucking stupid and Voyager is shit.
>>71368608
What do you dislike about it?
>>71365949
So is it true that Cochran's character was based on Gene Roddenberry?
Pretty shitty if its true, since Cochran in the movie is made to look like a money-hungry asshole
>>71368718
You know he wrote 'lyrics' to the main Trek theme so he'd get half of Alexander Courage's royalties, don't you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K5qProJr6E
Best scene coming through
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYE3nm9voUk
>>71368718
Well Cochran was a money-grabbing asshole, but he was still a visionary at heart and had given up hope for life as a drunk, and the away team helping him rebuild and get the Phoenix into space returned his confidence. In that way it could be based on Roddenberry then it probably wasn't one-dimensional.
>>71365949
The Borg Queen was a terrible decision, but she was so very erotic.
Daily reminder that The Motion Picture and Nemesis are the best trek films.
>>71369514
John Williams let his son write lyrics for the Yub Nub Ewok song so he would get royalties.
>>71370015
>Nemesis
kek
If you're bald as an adult, your young clone is bald too
>>71369963
The kiss with Data was pretty hot tbqhwyfamalam
>>71370015
>>71366317
>it's an "anon clearly only watched Best of Both Worlds yet pretends to be an authority on Picard's relationship with the Borg" episode
>>71370113
and now Yub Nub has been replaced with a superior song.
>>71370152
>nitpicking makes scenes like these bad
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NJJDRmtivWI
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bx4yZBdSBsg
>>71370152
They literally cover this in the film, dipshit. Jean Luc was bald in his teens.
You don't need to INVENT reasons why Nemesis was stupid.
>>71370341
>or the larger conflict between the Federation and the Borg in general, especially with the then on-going Dominion War taken into consideration
>>71371903
HQ version
>>71368197
>Reminding me of how Janeway is a total fucking traitor and should be court marshaled and lynched.
did this introduce the idea of the borg queen or was that already a thing?
>>71370015
Bane?
>>71368518
except eat a fucking planet with people on it and would have continued to do so, are you also against shooting wild animals when they threaten humans?
>>71371998
is this xenophobic?
>>71371998
So did the Holodeck replicate a working tommy gun for Picard, or is it simply a wireframe model and the Borg are being ripped apart by the force field generators on the walls?
Because if it's the former, just replicate some more god damn tommy guns.
If its the latter, replicate some "force field" guns.
>>71372436
They would just adapt after a few uses of either anyway...
>>71372436
Working Tommy Gun. Next Borg in the Deck adapted.
>>71370427
In the TNG episode "Violations" Dr. Crusher gets mind raped by a telepath which shows a flashback of her and Jean Luc viewing Crusher's dead husband's body, in it Picard has hair.
>>71372583
Doesn't change what I said one bit, Picard himself states he was bald in his teens. It's most likely a dumb as fuck retcon, making that a crop of Synthahair.
>>71365949
shitfilm
>>71372693
>Picard himself states he was bald in his teens.
Bullshit, remember when he looks back at a picture of his younger self before getting stabbed by a naussican?
Multiple times in TNG it shows younger picard with hair.
Enterprise-E was dead sexy.
>>71373279
This. GOAT ship.
>>71370015
Why does Nemesis get so much hate? I saw it back when it was in theaters and liked seeing the Romulans and Remans. Shinzon's whole Voice vs Echo conflict along with the power vacuum that ensued from the thalaron assassination was interesting.
>>71374036
You'll notice that most people seem to just echo consensus. If you bother to form your own opinions you'll see that Nemesis is easily the most like the show out of the TNG films, even with
>muh go carting
>muh hair
>>71373279
QFT
The Enterprise-D was too bulky for my taste. Enterprise-E was sleek as fuck.
>>71373246
Doesn't alter what he says in Nemesis. FFS is this your first retcon you autistic fuck?
>>71374169
I didn't care about the go-carting or how insanely-maxed the Scimitar was. A ship with a perfect cloak that can't be defected AND with planet-killing capabilities? I have a theory that the Scimitar was originally a salvaged Dominion ship that Shinzon utilized for his personal use.
What I liked about Nemesis was a proper conflict with the Romulans since we never got to see them in battle compared to the Klingons, the Borg, or the Dominion. It pisses me off that Enterprise didn't do the Earth-Romulan War.
Quite frankly, out of all the Trek factions and races, the Romulans fascinate me the most because they're a Roman-esque power within the trappings of a Vulcan offshoot. They fully embrace emotions, are sneaky bastards, and I really like the post-supernova fallout that Star Trek Online and the novels address.
"Commander, tell me about your sexual organs."
>>71366746
Yeah but by "Descent" he seemed to be beyond it.
>>71373279
>dat opening glamor shot tho
>>71371998
I still get chills watching this.
>>71374577
People can have lapses. It was a massively traumatic event that Picard experienced. Not only does he suffer PTSD, it was mental and biological violation. The core of his essence as an individual was robbed by the Borg and what's worse is that he was responsible for the deaths at Wolf 359.
I really liked the tense scene between Sisko and Picard in DS9's pilot. Really goes to show you how fellow Fed officers held a grudge against Picard for contributing to the Borg annihilation of that task force.
The fact that ANOTHER Borg cube was heading to Earth and causing more casualties ala Wolf 359 made Picard snap again. He had a relapse because the guilt caught up and he was reliving the horrors of being Locutus.
>>71372436
Tommy guns would damage the hull and windows, I imagine, causing hull breaches.
>>71372473
Which is why Picard went gonzo-blitzkrieg with it. He knew that he had a limited time to wipe out those Borg drones before they adapted.
>>71374654
I get ytmnd flashbacks more than anything. It it's one of my favorite scenes in the movie, though. the way he starts screaming is brilliant. I like to think that Picard is getting a rush from the power and spectacle of a tommy gun compared to a phaser.
>>71374854
Transparent Aluminum can hold back whales, but not bullets?
>>71365949
>it's a "humble pillar of the business community makes a tidy profit" episode
>>71374828
Yeah, I guess so.
Sisko was out of line in that scene. It had the tone of black entitlement to demonstrate anger at the white man and separate himself from white authority. Picard wasn't responsible for Locutus the same way a random white person is not responsible for slavery. He has no reason to feel guilty. Humiliated, tortured, violated, but not guilty.
>>71375282
>pillar
more like a stump amirite lol
>>71375336
Wow, get a load of the projection in this post.
>He has no reason to feel guilty. Humiliated, tortured, violated, but not guilty.
Go rewatch Family. Picard's brother agrees with you that Picard shouldn't feel guilty, but Picard still feels guilty anyway.
It isn't logical yet nevertheless it is true.
Insurrection is underrated desu. The Prime Directive is fucking awesome.
>>71375929
The special effects were disgusting compared to the other three TNG movies.
Almost no model work, and the CG wasn't nearly as goid as Nemesis.
>>71376059
And the suddenly worf has a purple space bazooka
I didn't like what they did with Zefram Cochran.
>>71375929
My ratings for TNG films:
First Contact > Nemesis > Generations > Insurrection
>>71375336
What in the fuck does RACE have to do with being pissed at the guy who got all of your friends, Captain and wife killed?
>>71377462
Keep proving my point. It wasn't Picard, but you think he's guilty anyway because he's white.
We all see it. You know what it is. Don't reply to it.
>>71374503
*nods approvingly*
.....
*winks at poster above*
>>71374503
BIG and WHITE and full of PRIVILEGE
>>71375405
>You don't know, Robert. You don't know. They took everything I was. They used me to kill and destroy and I couldn't stop them. I should have been able to stop them. I tried. I tried so hard! But I wasn't strong enough! I wasn't good enough! I should have been able to stop them. I should have been able to stop them. I should… I should…
>So… my brother is human being after all.
Picard's brother was angry at him for being so perfect, always getting the highest praise and then leaving the family behind. Worse, he was annoyed that Picard seemed to buy into his own excellence and it fueled his ambition. In "Family" Picard was brought back down to Earth, literally. He made that speech while covered in mud. He had his pride hurt, not his conscience.
Now think back to the Moby Dick metaphor in First Contact. In Moby Dick Captain Ahab is on a quest to avenge the whale that hurt his pride. Would Moby Dick make sense as a novel if the whale hurt Ahab's conscience and made him feel guilty? No! It doesn't make sense for the Borg either.
>ewwwwwwww
First Contact was best TNG movie, and only II, IV, and VI are better than First Contact.
I'm not one of those MUH GENE'S VISION fags, but it does bother me that Picard in this movie is just AHHHHH! I HATE THE BORG! THEY MUST PAY! I WILL NOT REST UNTIL THE LAST FILTHY FUCKING BORG EXPIRES, HISSING AND THRASHING ABOUT VIOLENTLY IN A FETID POOL OF IT'S OWN BLOOD AND BILE.
not muh Trek
Lights?4
GYYEEEGGGYEEEYGGGGHHH
>>71371998
So what was the deal here with the gun? Do Borg shields not protect against physical objects? Did the holodec project the bullets inside the shield to bypass them? Do photonic bullets react differently than phaser blasts?
>>71379868
Same as with any other weapon.
They were projectile bullets that they probably never would see in outer space, mainly particle weapons.
Eventually, though, like any other weapon, they'd adapt.
End of st
oWhether or not Picard was or wasn't shooting.
>>71379868
The TNG movies are garbage made for mass appeal. In the movies the holodeck is 'stuff appears by magic'.
>>71379868
I'm pretty sure Borg shields don't protect from physical objects, I vaguely remember instances of Borg getting btfo by someone with a knife or bat'leth or some shit. I think Worf when they were on the space walk in First Contact? I can't remember for sure.
>>71366035
>>71366124
>>71366317
How and why did the TNG films suck so badly? It seems hard to do, especially at that point.
>>71366317
Seriously like I remember thinking this before even seeing the RLM review on this. Like In I, Borg with Hugh it's so evident that Picard was in total control of his faculties and for him to just lose it in First Contact was like.....WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA?... but whatever I still liked that movie regardless.
Star trek 6 and 8 are probably the only good trek movies in existence right now.
best trek movie
>>71381376
true
>>71371998
>easily conquer hundreds of planets in the industrial era.
>no defense against projectile weapons
top kek
>>71370015
I like TMP but I was also really young when I saw it. Can't imagine anybody liking nemesis unless they weren't familiar with TNG at all.
>>71380737
>In the movies the holodeck is 'stuff appears by magic'.
I take it you've never seen a TNG holodeck episode?
>>71381695
me too !
the motion picture was true trek, thru and thru
love the ending very scifi but ahi with an a tiwst!
>>71381986
fun !
>>71366253
THIS FAR, AND NO FURTHER
>>71381477
They only take civilisations with useful technology or knowledge, I doubt they'd ever be interested in people with muskets
>>71365949
Why could they never shake Action Picard? He's the most peaceful and reasonable of the Trek captains but they always made him into an action hero.
>>71382362
That's after Picards integration with them wanting to take technology and life forms.
Remember?
They used to actually have their own babies and literally just annihilate other planets and take the ores they wanted.
So think about all the shit they used to do before the picard incident.
>>71372436
>>71379868
EVEN A HOLOGRAPHIC BULLET CAN KILL
>>71382436
They were mentioned as stealing technology in The Neutral Zone before they ever appeared
>The outpost was just not destroyed, it's as though some great force just scooped it off the face of the planet
>>71375929
Insurrection is clearly the worst TNG film.
>>71382528
>It's an alien race that is completely indistinguishable from humans film
Unforgivable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjFmI9CUrW0
>>71382655
Awful, delete this.
>>71367346
Nigga they built a fucking model again for Nemesis so they could crash it into the Scimitar
>>71368452
why are trek movie writers so obsessed with whales
>>71373279
The one thing that always bugged me was how we never really got a full pan-shot of Engineering or a walk-around. We only got close-ups and wandering around the warp core.
Your daily reminder that they were clean.
"lieutenant Commander, how functional are your sexual organs"?
>>71375204
Transparent Aluminium is real, it is used as windows on armoured vehicles.
Watched this recently, a damn good movie
Manages to do comedy, suspense, action and not have it all fall apart.
Also actually has character development for Worf, Piccard and Data. Even Riker comes across well
>>71379483
There, are, five, lights!
>>71384402Sex appeal
>>71371998
uhh, guise, how did that simulated gun kill that borg?
>>71369770
So his plan all along was to take off in his rocket while playing the first 30 seconds of an 80 year-old song?
>>71375204
Why the hell don't people realize that THEY DIDN'T USE TRANSPARENT ALUMINUM! It was just plexiglass used to make the whale tank! They just traded the guy the formula for transparent aluminum to get some bigass plexiglass. It's not like they had enough cash to buy it.
So double dumbass on you!
best to worst
voyage home 4
final frontier 5
wrath of kan 2
search for spock 3
first contact 2
generations 1
motion picture 1
insurrection 3
undiscovered country 6
trek 09.1
trek kann rip off 2.0.1 soft reboot
nemesis 4
I WILL ADD
star trek 2,3,4 is goat sci fi trilogy stand alone.
>>71392916
switch
nemesis with trek jj and its a deal anon.
>>71392916
You know wrath of khan is literally pleb tier right?
>muh space villain bad guy
>bad guy vs good guy
Oh you don't like undiscovered country, you must not like space politics, you know that thing star trek is based around.
Absolute pleb tier rankings.
>>71370341
>>71370484
Shut up faggots, the Dominion had nothing to do with Picard's relationship with the Borg.
>>71374238
Listen faggot I'm getting really fucking pissed off with how you're speaking to me. So how about you speak to me that way one more time, and then you give me your address and we can settle this like men?
>>71393744
Seconded
Probably in the minority, but Star Trek: The Motion Picture is one of my favorites.
T'pol's ass will never be surpassed.
>>71393368
not even peak Kim cattrel can save that piece of shit movie.
defo the worst of the shatner era movies.
>>71379461
Damaged Picard was great though.
>>71378313
What does Picard's race have to do with ANYTHING.
WHAT DOES RACE HAVE TO DO WITH ANY OF THIS.
iF you think that race matters, you've missed one of the MAJOR points of Star Trek.
>>71394912
This
>half-assimilated crew member
>"Captain, sir please help me"
>Picard shoots him and keeps walking
>>71366541
Are you me?
>>71394970
>taking the bait
>>71394970
See >>71378339.
>Picard loses his shit when the entire Federation is at its stake
>BAWWWW OUT OF CHARACTER
will we ever get a picard crew comeback movie. like final frontier 5
id watch it.
>>71395445
Star Trek - the next final frontier.
genius movie title if I do say so myself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
2nd best star trek movie
also the only one that makes sense that picard would act out of character
>>71392916
underrated post.
Sovereign best Enterprise
>>71394218
The Borg queen is hotter than t'pol
>>71396586
>>71396653
Heresy most foul.
>>71395445
I really want Stewart to reprise his role one last time, and fucking nail it like he always does. Even in the steaming shitheap that was Generations he made my eyes watery talking about his dead nephew, a character I'd never seen.
>>71396670
>>71368645
You don't say that! Star Trek Voyager is best Star Trek.
>>71396760
For you
I love every single TNG movie. I've never seen the show. Come at me faggots.
>>71392431
Probably because after a series of devastating world wars nobody really had time to record new music.
>>71396586
The only thing I don't like is the edgelord stripes. For the rest it's a fantastic design, more angular like voyager but not an ugly horseshoe shape. The Enterprise C(D?) from TNG will never be beaten in terms of comfy interior, though.
>>71396813
Well you're cheating yourself from the best Star Trek series then. Ask an anon for an episode guide and prepare to havefun
Star Trek pleb here. I have not seen any of the films or series. I know almost nothing about it except the general knowledge stuff, but I'm interested in watching some comfy 70s scifi.
Is there a problem with watching the feature films without having knowledge from the series and still enjoy it? Also, which films are best/ in what order should I watch them? Which should I avoid?
>>71396719
>his dead nephew, a character I'd never seen.
You never watched Family, fammy?
>>71396989
TOS is dated, but the first two seasons are still really good.
The first movie is love it or hate it because its slow as fuck.
Star Trek II is nice and actiony, and probably the most recognizable pop culture ST movie.
ST3 is "ehhhh"
ST4 is weird but very good.
ST5 sucks
ST6 is very good and sets up the politics of the future of the series in regards to Klingons.
Star Trek: The Next Generation is really good. The first season has a lot of painful moments and Wesley is the most annoying character ever, but the series settles into a great groove pretty quick.
The TNG movies are all out of character trash.
DS9 is great pretty much the whole way through.
Star Trek Voyager sucks ungodly amounts of ass with the rare exception of episodes set around the Doctor or 'Year of Hell'.
I think Star Trek: Enterprise is actually super comfy and you get to watch George W. Bush have adventures in space. Also when T'pol switches from her brown clothes into her blue or red outfits, it's max fanservice done right. I'm kinda in the minority for liking this show though.
JJ Trek movies are basically Star Wars movies. Fun, but not really Trek.
>>71396813
>>71396989
More than half of the films are bad.
Watch the television shows if you want the true Star Trek experience.
>>71396989
All the movies stand on their own, although Wrath of Khan and First Contact reference the show, they tell you everything you need to know.
>I'm interested in watching some comfy 70s scifi.
Only the first one is actually 70s, and only the first two feel 70s. That said, watch all of them in order, and this is how I'd rank them from best to worst:
1. The Undiscovered Country
2. The Motion Picture
3. First Contact
4. Wrath of Khan
5. The Voyage Home
6. The Final Frontier
7. The Search For Spock
8. Generations
9. Nemesis
10. Insurrection
Fun fact: there were no other Star Trek movies, but a lot of people have a strange brain disease which makes them think there were.
>>71397280
>>71397323
Problem is I don't wanna get into a series right now. Would watch 3-4 films tho.
>>71397323
I'll eventually get around to download and watch both the original series and TNG, I'm just lazy/without a properly working computer/busy with shit.
>>71397372
You could watch ST2 I guess, but it really works better if you've seen the original show.
To be honest, most of the movies either suck or are merely ok, and the best moments in the movies work best if you've already invested in the show.
star trek just works better in episodic format. You're better off watching the highlight episodes from TNG if you just want a bit of Trek.
Whould I see the Kirk Trek before starting TNG? Only Star Trek show I ever saw was the one with Captain Archer or something. I wanna get into this series properly.
>>71368197
It seems like the logical choice then would be to create a series of drones that can do this.
I don't understand why they can't just convert everyone but keep them as they are.
>>71372416
If you can confront the xenos, look upon the xenos, even think upon the xenos, without revulsion, then you are as damned as they.
>>71370152
Patrick Stewart went bald at 19 years because of a genetic defect. You just got btfo by reality.
>>71397555
Yeah, it's worth watching, the original show is only three seasons, and in TNG there are episodes that refer back to it, like the one with Scotty or the multiple times Spock shows up
>>71397630
That's Patrick Stewart's reality, but it isn't how it was for Picard.
>>71396989
start with wrath of kahn
then search for spock
then voyage home.
great stand alone trilogy.
avoid undiscovered country space politics is boring.
tv shows are all trash pleb filler. Avoid
>>71398507
>avoid undiscovered country space politics is boring.
lolwat, it's on par with (or maybe even better than) Wrath of Khan
in comparison, Search for Spock sucks ass
>>71396989
>70's
The shows only cover the 60's, 80's, 90's and early 00's. Only movies for the 70's.
>>71397630
P.Stew is British, Picard is French.
They are not the same person.
>>71370015
I'll watch anything with Ron Perlman in it good or bad.
Nemesis was very ok. I like >>71374036 enjoyed the politics and fallout from previous stuff but other than that it was pretty forgettable
>>71392562
>So double dumbass on you!
Nice colorful metaphor.
>>71378821
That is not an accurate analogy. Picard's brother was upset at his pride, while Picard was upset at his own conscience. At the end of the episode, they both come to terms with the other's conflict.
Your Moby Dick analogy is also lacking. The whale didn't only hurt Ahab's pride, it crippled him. The in-film comparison is only in the sense of revenge leading to self destruction, but does not dismiss the role the Borg played in personally damaging Picard.
>>71397847
>>71399093
Who's idea was it to cast the most English man to have ever walked the Earth as their French captain? There's nothing French about him beyond his name in the final product.
>>71399684
Robert Justman and Rick Berman. They wrote the character as French but Patrick Stewart didn't bother with an accent
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Robert_Justman#Return_to_Star_Trek
>It was Justman who discovered and pushed for the casting of Patrick Stewart for the role of Captain Jean-Luc Picard. Rick Berman recalled, "Roddenberry was very against the idea of a bald British actor playing the next Capt. Kirk, but Bob was very persistent, and Patrick became Capt. Picard."
Is there a reason why Star Trek has absolutely no form of popular music? Why does everyone only listen to classical and jazz and only read literature from the 1800s?
>>71400040
To show how refined they are. Also because that can date a show very quickly.
>>71400040
Because it's proven to persist across centuries, whereas pop music barely manages to persist across a decade
also, you know, no royalty fees
>>71399684
If you have Netflix streaming, look up "Chaos on the Bridge", which is a documentary on the early years of TNG. It talks about Patrick Stewart's audition, and how they forced him to wear a hairpiece when he auditioned for Roddenberry, it pretty good stuff
>>71400372
I wish the use of physical models didn't die off
>>71400040
In universe, I doubt it, they definitely have modern authors like we see in DS9: The Visitor and Harry Kim and Picard both wrote their own music, it just doesn't appear to be popular with Starfleet officers, or not as popular as real classical music or literature.
Out of universe:
>It's cheaper
>It's faster
>It doesn't date the show
Klingons are the only one with good original music, everyone else sounds like early 90s new age garbage, which is what they thought was futuristic at the time. I can't find any clips, but see VOY: Remember for an example.
>>71394218
T'Pol or Jolene doesn't really have an ass.
She was mostly chest (implants) and a decent body.
At least during Enterprise it was decent but your shtity rhyme doesn't hold up to Seven's bum.
>>71382467
people don't realize that. but when Docter in Voyager slaps that dude, I tihnk it re-emphisis this point.
It's not real, it just feels real. All force in our universe is just static repulsion, so if it's generated or inherent makes NO DIFFERENCES.
>>71401919
She looked even better in maxim (also that pic is very recent)
>>71403461
She looks like a CGI rendering
>>71404226
Maybe she's just too good to be true??
>>71393368
I like The Undiscovered County a lot but
>Star Trek
>based around space politics
Jolene is love
Jolene isLIFE
>>71404988
>>71405748
>that disgusting pierced navel
*vomits*
^FUCK
^OFF
^J E
^W
^
>>71401919
Veins?
>>71406302
Regulan bloodworms.
>>71406437
>>71406302
>>71405932
I see Fuller's band of sphinctrally enlarged scat-holes have reasserted their stronghold over the Trekbase.
Save yourselves for 2017...
Your blood will paint the way to the future!
Worst TNG film. Lead to the downfall of the original Trek franchise. Alice Krige and James Cromwell couldn't even save it despite their best efforts.
>>71406638
Feel free to leave at any time.
>>71406699
I think you mean it lead to progressively worse and worse star trek films
The shows were independent at that time from the films because they were produced and managed by two completely different studios
Every film after First Contact gets worse
>>71406815
Feel free to enjoy AIDS, higher rates of STD, higher rates of suicide, higher rates of depression, higher rates of pedophilia, no children (evolutionary dead end), hemorrhoids, literal rectal cancer and perforated colon.
>>71382114
UND AHHH WILL MAKE THEM PAAAAY FOR WHAT THEY DONE
>>71405932
she has a good taste in "men" too
>Im Eddy Furlong!
>Remember me from Pecker?
>No? How about Terminator 2?
>Oh this black eye? Yeah, i tripped on my way to the VIP lounge last night, hehe
>>71382528
That's like asking which is the worst turd.
>>71365949
This movie is fun and I'm sure it's definitely better than the other star trek films since it is always considered one of the best.
On the other hand this film to me isn't all that great even compared to the JJ film because they have typical scifi action tropes and quips that ultimately are against star trek purists consideration of what is the better parts of the franchise.
In summary, fun FLICK, mediocre scifi film
>>71400539
Seriously, with miniatures and advances in mocap, with digital effects touching up certain things, and digitally composited together you could make some badass ship porn.
Imagine what a pain in the ass shooting the battle of endor for jedi, when all that shit had to be done by hand on actual film.
>>71409128
he's an old man who sees the world through an old prism
let him have his nostalgia, it's better that way
>>71408843
Just so we're clear here, we're discussing strictly the TNG films.
If you think STII or STVI is a turd, you just don't deserve to have an opinion.
>>71408447
Did she get collagen as a pre-teen or is that just another aspect of her shitty genetics like excess skin?
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>>71409128
High definition means making models is risky (although of course 3hmm is HD anyway)
The spacewalk in First Contact >>71383504 pushed the limits of what they could do with a model, it was just on the verge of imperfections in the finish resolving on the screen
>>71410204
>Did she get collagen as a pre-teen or is that just another aspect of her shitty genetics like excess skin?
Nice joke but I think she got it later in her modeling career since those lip injections were popular in the 90s/early 00s.
I can't find any Jolene that is certifiably non-augmented in some way.
Like this picture >>71404988 which looks like a natural picture but she may have had some work done, if you look at the lips it's really hard to tell.
Shame, I'd like to see her at her prime without the disgusting sub-saharan injections and boob implants.
>>71408447
>bringing a deadbeat B-lister to a premier for a network flagship show
vapid dumb cooont
>>71410948
>that picture is literally (as in actually without further context) 15 years old
also, you would think she'd be smarter to get a good coke connek and not go through teen actor edward "corey feldman is my idol" furlong
>>71411118
its like fear and loathing in los angeles
theyre walking liike ether induced drug scum trying to find the entrance to some shitty b-listers award show
eddy's on ketty and coke probably
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>>71411754
"last night we had an argument over who was to 'bang out that last rail'..eddy was persistent so i grabbed an empty candle holder and swung it recklessly towards his head."
"but everything's cool now, right eddy?"
>>71370015
>Motion picture;
Meh
>Nemesis;
Actually pretty good
>>71381876
While I realize this is a shitpost, I tend to agree that if you cut about half of the visuals and sprinkled in a little more about specifically 'what' V(')oyaGer actually was, other than some mysterious robotic race who recreated the probe, it would had been a quintessential ST episode with a bigger budget.
Definitely like my number 2 or 3 out of all ST films.
>>71370015
I don't even know why but I felt a profound sadness when happened across the Nemesis website the other day.
>>71408447
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>>71412123
this triggers me more than her anorexic roid pic.
>Jolene
fucking DROPPED
>see star trek thread with lots of replies
>it ends up being a big circle jerk over jolene whatsertits
every time
>>71414469
She just is an airhead, unlike Jeri Ryan, or Gates McFadden, or Nana Visitor, or (to some extent - Terry Farrell), and the rest..
..of course, we can't get to upset over Kes.
Her story is tragic as far as I'm concerned. She was a decent actress and I still hope she finds some peace in this life without ending it.
>>71415939
I just imagine that she's in ocampan heaven right now in universe
>>71381376
>>71381423
I chose to think of the Born Queen as an emergent intelligence rather than a leader--the personification of the hive mind. She's not actually an individual. That's how I don't hate her.
>>71417519
>I dig a hole in the ground and I stick my head in that hole
Okay.
>>71417642
Are you implying this kind of retroactive explaining and conjecture isn't part and parcel to the franchise?
>>71417689
Yes.
It's okay to acknowledge and accept flaws without desperately rationalizing them away.
>>71417745
You don't know many Trekkies, do you?
>>71366317
>he didnt watch Family
>>71417519
If you watched Voyager (trust me, there was actually more good there than these fuckers will have you believe), but anyways, if you did watch Voyager, the episode "Dark Frontier" involves Seven having flashbacks to before she was assimilated; when she was just a little girl.
Her father and mother are talking about the Borg Queen and her father, Magnus Hansen, is examining a Borg drone from Unimatrix Zero that they transported onto the Raven.
Here is the dialogue:
ANNIKA: Is he special?
MAGNUS: Very special. We think he used to work near the Borg Queen. If he ever goes back there, we'll be able to track him now.
ANNIKA: Does the Queen have a throne?
MAGNUS: Nobody knows.
ERIN: We think she's more like the Queen of an insect colony. She helps coordinate all the other drones.
So, I suppose you could say they were trying to tie than she has a role but ultimately was just as much a slave as the rest of the drones to the functioning of the collective.
The only other mention of her origin that I can remember is in that same episode as she's talking to Seven she says "We all originated from lesser species. I myself came from species one two five. But that's irrelevant now."
>>71403461
lol what the fuck is this
>>71417902
>its a voyager blows up 20 borg cubes with photon torpedoes episode
>>71411118
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>>71412123
wtf is she doing jesus
>>71418028
Don't worry, Brannon Braga isn't canon.
>>71418057
Then you have to preclude "Cause and Effect", "Frame of Mind", "Timescape", "Phantasms", "Parallels", "All Good Things..", "Year of Hell", "Timeless", "Someone to Watch Over Me"..
Can I stop now? Trek fans are like petulant children who all decide on one thing or person as BAD and can't speak objectively about it because, like a bunch of emasculated left-leaning GED recipients, they can't think for themselves.
>>71418357
>"Cause and Effect"
>"Timescape"
>"Parallels"
>"All Good Things.."
>"Year of Hell"
>"Timeless"
>every episode ends with the events of that episode not happening due to time travel shenanigans
Yes, those are all not canon.
Good lord, he really is the Reset Button King.
>>71418609
Sorry, bud, they're so unequivocally canon that you'd have to do away with everything after TOS to make them not canon through what Sisko called "linear time".
One event begets another and another..
See how stupid your logic is? Or I should say a lack thereof.
>>71375929
This movie makes no sense. It's basically a remake of the episode Journey's End, but the crew decides to say fuck the prime directive instead of following it to a fault like they did in the episode.
>>71366899
Any source on that webm? Pretty spectacular
>>71419343
The prime directive is not in play in either situation.
>pic unrelated, obviously.
