Going from bloodline, who should actually be sitting on the Iron Throne now?
Jamie
Gendry?
>>71319241
Jon, Rhaegars son
>>71319241
Bastards have no inheretance claim.
Whoever wins if by conquest I guess, which is Cersei right now. She's claimed it for herself
>>71319241
Jon
>>71319327
He might not actually be a bastard
>not comprehending the most vital and important theme of the show: that thoughtless adherence to tradition results in endless suffering
>>71319327
>Jon
>A bastard
>>71319379
>>71319393
Rhaegar was already married.
Polygamy is banned, and even if he did get married again there's nobody to support it, Jon is a bastard in the eyes of the realm no matter what
>>71319241
probably cercei? shes the last living relative of the previous kings.
>>71319466
Jamie tho?
>>71319466
The throne doesn't pass to the Queen's family, it always follows the male line
>>71319528
Kingsguard can't take positions
>>71319560
The male line no longer exists though.
Targaryen line:
John Snow/Targaryen
Daenerys
Baratheon line:
Stannis
>>71319560
Is there an established rule for this in the canon? 7 kingdoms don't necessarily follow English tradition especially because they style the King's spouse as Queen.
>>71319446
>Polygamy is banned
Rhaegar wouldn't give a fuck, especially since he fancied himself Aegon reborn.
In any case, The Kingsguard being at the tower of Joy and not giving a fuck about Viserys means Jon is the king
Jon via his Targaryen birth and also the closest House relative of the Baretheons are the Targs.
From Bloodline?
It should default to daenerys
Jon and Gendry are bastards
>>71319446
This.
Why does everyone forget that Rhaegar was married before he fucked off with Leanna? Why did she go with him in the first place after making such a big deal about hating how Robert was going to cheat on her? She seemed to handle the fact that the death of her brother and father are pretty much on her hands.
I suppose those are questions for another thread though
Dany. She's the closest living relative of Roberts, unless there's another Baratheon out there we haven't heard of (Gendry doesn't count due to being a bastard).
If Rhaegar and Lyanna were married when Jon was born, though, then it would be Jon.
>>71319279
This now that Stannis whom was THE ONE TRUE KING is dead.
>>71319758
Shouldn't the Kings guard have been at Dragonsreach protecting his first wife and his other kids?
>>71319591
he got kicked out of the kingsguard by tommen
What was the point of killing Pycell? He sided with whoever was in power.
>>71319623
Stannis is dead motherfucker. Time to accept that D&D killed him off screen because they are faggots
>>71319931
Jaime was there
>>71319785
Bastards still get claims, especially over females.
>>71319944
just for a scene
>>71319993
Jaime was with the mad king.
>>71319944
She just hated him
>>71319686
>Is there an established rule for this in the canon?
In the books, when Robb and Cat are talking about who Robb's heir should be, Cat was tracing back the Stark lineage to the nearest common ancestor. She settled on someone in the Vale who was about two generations removed from being a Stark.
If it just passed to the wife's family, then it would have gone to Jeyne Westerling. But that was never even mentioned as an option.
>>71320092
Good catch. Perhaps if there are no male heirs left it reverts to the female line then? Not that it matters; Cersei took the throne with some good old-fashioned bigger army diplomacy.
>>71319944
So Frankenweiner can be grand maester
>>71320079
Jaimes was there at King's landing with the King and Rhagar's other family.
Of Aery's kingsguard, two died at the Blackwater and Barristan was wounded, Three were at the Tower of Joy, and Jaime was in King's Landing.
Once the Mad King and Rhaegar were dead, at least one of the three should have gone to Viserys who would be the rightful king. Ned even points this out and asks why they aren't there.
The only reason they wouldn't is if Viserys wasn't the rightful king. And that's only possible if Jon is the rightful king.
>>71319592
She looks so sad :(
>>71320734
Maybe she realises that her victory is a hollow one
>>71319279
He's a bastid
>>71319466
No relation to the Baratheon line
>>71319623
Stannis is dead mate, time to move on
>>71319821
Bingo
>>71319241
Passing right back to Orys Baratheon and down through the targaryen line; Its Dany!
Or Jon if Lyanna and Rhaegar were wed
>>71320998
Jon is not a bastard
Aegon VI Targaryen, then Daenerys Targaryen
>>71320027
No they don't.
>>71319944
exactly, couldn't be trusted
>>71321209
They do if the parents proclaim lineage upon the bastard.
>>71319241
CERSEI.
She was the Queen mother, now all her kids are dead and her husband and the baratheons all dead so she is.
Danny should be but she has no influence on westeros
>>71319264
Pretty sure this is the correct answer.
>>71321185
Rhaegar was still married to Ellia, so either way, Jon's still a bastard.
Ramsey was Roose's bastard. By our standards, bastards are sons born without fathers. By westerosi standards, they're simply children born out of wedlock.
>>71321390
Has the iron throne ever had a queen?
>>71321482
Yes there has been a queen with every King.
Stannis of course
>>71321546
You know what I fucking meant you lollard heretic.
>>71321377
>They do if the parents proclaim lineage upon the bastard.
Good thing Rhaegar and Lyanna are dead then :^)
Its actually cercei because even though shes killed everyone she is the last living relative to the previous kings. (She married into the baratheon line anyways).
Any other answer is wrong.
>>71321482
Rhaenyra Targaryen
>>71321482
Rhaenyra Targaryen you cunt, that's what started the dance of dragons
>>71319279
Kingindanorf
Jon is apparently the mad king's heir.
>>71319241
No one. It's completely up for grabs. Right of Conquest takes over when Right of Blood becomes extinct.
Cersei is gonna be Queen of the Crownlands for like a month or so before burning the city down when Daenerys sails into Blackwater Bay.
>>71321686
You're right, just pointing out fallacies in single idea statements.
But no, at this point, there is no way jon would receive the throne by rights alone. It's solely dany's by law.
>>71320448
>the only reason they wouldn't is if Viserys wasn't the rightful king
Did they even know Aerys and Rhaegar had died?
Night's King was chosen by the Children of the Forest and is the truest blood of the First Men. The Andals came and stole our lands. The Targs came and stole our crown. The false gods from across the seas came and stole our trees. But we will reclaim it all.
The Long Night is coming. Fire consumes, but ice preserves.
Robert overthrew the previous King.
All of his """""offspring""""" are dead.
All of his brothers are dead.
His wife, Cersei, assumes the throne until she marries Jaime now that she has run out of fucks to give.
Hail King Jaime.
>>71319241
Isn't House Martell descended from Daeron II's sister?If so, OOPS!
>>71322083
Jaime's going to kill her
Robert Baratheon
>>71319241
Jon Targaryen. It's likely Rhaegar married Lyanna during the war, which would legitimize him as heir, and as the son of the eldest male heir to the throne, he should be sitting on the throne. Better claim than Daenerys by far.
>>71319241
Obviously Daenarys.
>>71321209
>Aegon
Aegon, fucking showfags
Dany is a girl and Aegon is Rhaegar's trueborn, bastards dont have rights of succession
>>71322254
Well, in the long run it is nice of his aunt to cross the sea just to hand deliver some dragons.
Who literally gives a single fuck about blood line? Robert killed the fucking last prince and then took the throne by force. The "rightful" king is the one strong enough to hold it. Which right now is Sir Si
>>71321826
>gindanorf
holy FUCK MIND BLOWN
KING IN NORTH
INGINTHENORTH
GINDANORF
GANONDORF
>>71322254
if no one else knows about it, does it make it true? Weddings need witnesses
>>71319241
Yeah the show is fully cucked now
Time to stop watching
>>71322505
They have a witness now
If Shireen was still alive would she have been next in line?
>>71322556
>hey guys my brother is actually the son of Rhaegar
>I know nobody else has seen this but trust me it was in a wacky vision I had
>>71322613
Unfaithful Wives > Niece by Traitor Brother
>>71319241
Jaime as the king's uncle
Is Jon actually immune to fire now?
Why did Ned let Jon join the watch? If shit went south with Robert, Ned could have revealed Jon as the true heir
though let's face it. 3 heads for 3 dragons, Jon is a Targaryen and King of the North. Daenarys mentioned having to forge an alliance through a wedding, wedding the king of the north puts the north on her side.
Tyrion is the third head, being a friend of Jon's and Daeny's hand.
>>71322389
Tell that to Sansa
>>71322796
Nah he sucks as fire, which is why his hand got burned in season 1 with the lamp.
He is immune to ice though.
>>71321477
>by our standards bastards are kids without fathers
The meaning of bastard is a child born with unmarried parents you idiot
>>71321976
Even if they didn't, Ned tells them.
>>71322836
Jon wanted to go and Catelyn pushed it.
>>71319241
Young griff.
>>71322836
Jon would've been killed pretty quickly if he revealed it
Targ dynasty: Dany (Aegon in the books)
Baratheon dynasty: Martyn Lannister (Cersei's cousin, Lancel's younger brother) Since women can't inherit. It would be a very weak claim though.
>>71322505
What if Sam finds marriage records of R+L in the big library?
>>71319944
Remember the scene in the small council. He disregarded anything she had to say. Pycell is a bitch to Cersei a bunch of times.
>>71323412
How the fuck would that record be kept? Why would Rhaegar or Lyanna inform anyone?
>>71322836
When someone joins the Night's Watch, they no longer have any claim to lands nor titles. This of course applies to other groups as well, like the Kingsguard and the Faith, but in addition, the men of the Watch are essentially exiles, far removed from the rest of the country.
If Jon can't pose a threat to Robert or his children's claim, and is an entire country away, he's safer. At least, that's the idea.
>>71319821
>dany is a relative of Robert's
what?
>>71323534
They are distantly related. Some Baratheon married a Targaryen sometime back.
>>71321477
Many Targaryens practiced polygamy and since Rhaegar was like the "perfect" knight he probably married Lyanna before he fucked her.
>>71319623
>Baratheon line:
>>71319241
Arya, Bran and Sansa
You already forgot that Robert literally made Ned king until 'the true heir' (which never existed) came of age? That means that Ned was king until death and after he died his children became the rightful rulers.
>>71319393
Yup.
Ellia Martell was Rhaegar Targaryen's wife. Any child Rhaegar produced that did not squirt out of Elia is a bastard.
>>71322872
>he doesn't know about Aegon VI Targaryen and The Golden Company
>>71323480
Rhaegar was the heir to the throne. If he had married, again, in secret, he would want a record of it.
>>71319241
Dany, from both a Targ and Baratheon POV, that is unless Jon is a trueborn son of Rhaegar which is possible imo.
INB4 some faggot starts raving about Elia Martell the Faith's view of polygamy.
>>71321477
The theory goes that Rhaegar married Lyanna.
Targs have practiced polygamy before.
I dont get it, why is incest so heavy in this?
Jon and Sansa or Jon and Dany... either way hes being lined up for incest.
Theon and his sister.. cut off though.
Cersi and Jaime...
I think it ends with Arya and Gendry.
>>71323615
Unless there were witnesses, there was no marriage senpai
Jon is a bastard twice over
>>71323534
If I remember correctly, the Baratheon house was established by a Targaryen bastard
>>71319241
Was there really NO OTHER Baratheon in the Stormlands?
>>71323755
Stop projecting
>>71323769
When Jon gets a dragon who's going to deny him?
>>71323583
Not that distant. They're cousins. Robert's Grandmother was a targ.
>>71319944
Pycelle sided with whoever he thought was right, and kept contradicting Cersei over and over.
Cersei, as petty as she is, has him offed.
>>71323534
Very distantly related, to the extent that it's basically meaningless cause all the noble houses are related to some extent. That's what happens when you exclusively marry other nobles, eventually you wind up related to all the other important families. It's not uncommon for nobles to marry their cousins for this reason.
>>71319241
Stannis
>Inb4 hes dead
>>71323632
They're not in the show, only the books, the books and show may have different settings especially since now the show has passed the books.
>>71323981
books are the canon, show is pretty much d&d fanfic at this point
>>71320243
You're not understanding
no male heirs mean it goes up a generation
so the current king dies, leaves no male heirs
it goes up a generation. Since the current king is only king because his father is dead, that means any other male children the father had gets it.
If no male children, it goes up again, this time to the grandfather.
The grandfather (also dead) might have had daughters, who could have had sons. But if they did not, and the grandfather had no male heirs, it goes up a generation again.
So now it's the great grandfather (also dead) but THAT king had 2 sons. Now, one son became king, the other had, let's say one son. That brother and son have since died. But that son had a male heir. He would be in line to be king.
Which would make him not a cousin, but a 2nd cousin of the recently deceased king.
The tricky part is when there's a male first cousin who doesn't share the family name vs a male second cousin who does. Then they contest the validity of who has the right to the throne. Usually it would go to the one with the family name.
>>71323962
Wrong. Robert's grandmother is a targ. Robert didn't just win on conquest alone, he was actually next in line if after Rhaegar and his kids.
>>71323981
>he doesn't kow young griff and the golden company are going to be the big surpise for the next season
>>71323534
Setting aside the fact that House Baratheon was actually founded by Aegon Targaryen's bastard brother, Robert's grandmother was a Targaryen.
>a song of ice and fire
>targaryen is fire
>stark is ice
>jon snow is a song of ice and fire
It wasn't confirmed that Lyanna's kid was Rhaegar's, it could have been Robert's right? How long were they apart?
>>71324330
Yeah Robert definitely would have wanted to kill his own kid and that's why Lyanna told Ned to protect him. Dipshit.
>>71324330
Like a year m8
Jon is Robert's son not Rae's therefore true king.
Screencap this.
>>71319276
/Thread
Baratheons won it by conquest, and Gendry is the only one with Baratheon blood remaining
>>71324445
He is a bastard. You dumb fuck. Bastards do not inherit. Period.
>>71324330
War took 14 months from the time she was
"kidnapped" this is book time though, show could change it.
>>71324330
Robert never fucked Lyanna.
>>71321477
Yeah, bastard is deff someone born out of wedlock. plz read a book, not even one of these, just any book.
no one will this is the end of this era, the throne is crumbling its pwr fades to obscurity within this century. the war wont be over fast enough.
>>71323534
Dany and Bobby B's nearest common ancestor is their great grandfather, King Aegon V otherwise known as "Egg" in those Dunk and Egg books.
>>71322472
I lol'd
>>71324396
Then why would Lyanna fear Robert will kill infant Jon you fucking dumbass? Also Jon would then have been in line for the throne through the Baratheon. You are retarded.
Even if Brandon comes to Winterfell and is all "Hey, Jon is actually a Targ! I know because I read it on the tree internet!" is anyone going to believe him?
>>71324892
Did she?
Why are we assuming she said that?
Why isn't Kevan king?
>>71324918
the reed dude who was with ned will probably tell jon now that he's king in the north.
>>71324616
he's right though. Children out of wedlock are bastards not only in ASOIAF but in medieval Europe. R and L may have had some minor ceremony but it was never an official marriage
>>71325039
didnt he explode along with everyone else?
Dany will pick up Gendry on the way right guys?
>>71325039
he done got blowed up.
>>71325088
was he even at the trial?
>>71319241
It doesn't fucking matter, the claim thatt seems to seems to have any true weight in this GOT is by conquering it through force. My nigga Bobby B. proved that.
>>71324918
the frogfu's dad was with enaowitenz, the dude that saved him from the anime duel wielder guy. he knows, and is alive. also, that hand maiden who hands over the baby can presumably still be alive and under protection.
>>71319241
CIA. He's a secret Targ.
if you ignore muh conquest it's Danny
>Aerys dies, passes it to Viserys
>Viserys dies, passes it to Danny
Rhaegar died before Aerys so he and Jon are out of the picture
>>71325131
yes. i just rewatched it.
In the show, since Aegon isnt in the picture, Jon.
Kingsblood runs in his veins, doesn't matter if he's a bastard, same Gendry and the other bastards were a threat to Lannister rule.
>>71319785
Lyanna and Rheagar married in front of a heart tree on isle of the gods by a lord of house Whent. It legal and now the story has bran there to look through time and get these fact straight for his senpai.
>>71325088
>>71325131
yea he was
>>71325308
>>71325225
Ahh ok. Shame he was cool
>>71325296
doesn't matter since Rhaegar died before Aerys and the line passes to Aerys' children
>>71319944
Cersei was getting the revenge on those who, in her mind, wronged her.
>>71324892
because Robert is a hot-head with one-itis
Ned also saw Robert jizz himself when Tywin presented him the bodies of Rhaella and "Aegon"
>>71324356
lol'd
>>71325296
PROOFS
>>71319241
>Baratheons
-No legitimate Baratheons left
-No false Baratheons left
-Gendry is a character but he's a bastard so whatever
>Lannisters
-Cersei is basically sitting on it for the same reasons Robert did(killing everyone able to pose an immediate threat) but with the added "muh son wuz king" angle but bloodline wise she has 0 confirmed claim.
-Jaime has less technicality claim than she does, other Lannisters haven't been mentioned much
>Targaryen
R+L = J is 95% confirmed, I took 5% because of that tricky silent whisper shit but the "Robert would be furious" stuff gives the 95%, meaning that Jon is pretty much a legitimate Targaryen male and the rightful heir but Southrons don't give a shit about what a cripple with supposed magic powers says and Howland Reed is MIA. Either way, unless R&L got a secret marriage, Jon's still a bastard which leads us to
-Daenerys, she has a recognized bloodline unlike Jon and the most power out of every Q/KoW candidate and possibly any entity in the entire world right now.
>Others
Bloodline-wise no one confirmed for the show has better lineage than those listed.
Daenerys wins the bloodline bowl in the show. Aegon wins it in the book. Both of them lose if Jon's not a bastard but no one in-universe will care besides Bran.
>>71325702
>and the rightful heir
no
>>71322200
Oooooh!
>>71320092
I don't remember quite well from the books, but didn't the starks have different rules from the rest of the continent?
Jon will win the Game by not even playing it.
>>71324464
>Ramsey Snow
>Jon Snow
>Incest Lannisters
Times change faggot.
Dany tbqh lad, no one else really had a claim on it other than her. Even though I hate her story and shit, CK 2 would make her the only claimant. All Baratheons are dead and she's the only known Targ.
>>71325976
Also
>You just lost it
Daenerys is Robert's closest living relative since his grandmother was her great aunt.
So even if Targaryens can have multiple wives and Jon is legitimate Robert's grandmother would be Jon's great great aunt. So Daenerys would be closest by blood.
>>71319241
All these faggots arguing about who's "legally" in line. It doesn't fucking matter anymore you thick cunts, who has the most power now is going to rule. Laws don't mean shit anymore and no one in Westeros will enforce them. The whole North just proclaimed support to a 'legal' bastard and Cesei is ruling after having murdered a fuck tonne of important people and they all know she did it. Laws don't apply here anymore
>>71325754
If you ignore muh conquest and assume that R&L married after Ellia died then yeah he's rightful as fuck.
>>71325999
Ramsay was legitimized
>meme snow
The War of the Five Kings was fought because of those claims
>>71326099
>yeah he's rightful as fuck.
how so?
>>71326099
>married after Ellia died
Rhaegar got his chest caved in before the Mountain got to Ellia.
Jon Sand is a bastard twice over.
>>71325999
>ramsay snow
Legitimized by his father, he's a Bolton under the law.
>Jon Snow
Still a bastard that has no legitimate claim to anything.
>Incest Lannisters
Was a secret until recently, and those who know can't prove it. Hence why they are still officially billed as Robert's children, because as far as the public is concerned they are his trueborn children and the accusations of incest are baseless slander with no proof.
If they were ever publicly proved to be bastards they wouldn't have been legitimate any longer.
>>71326099
>R&L married after Ellia died
How do you figure that considering Rhaegar died well before Ellia did.
>>71319276
where the fuck is gendry BTWs?
>>71326130
If you ignore every muh conquest since Aegon(which is just Robert and Cersei but still) then the line of succession would be
>King Aerys > Rhaegar if Aerys died > Rhaegar's trueborn son if Rhaegar died > Viserys > His son > etc. until no more male Targs are left THEN it's Daenerys.
If Jon's the trueborn son to Rhaegar then he has the strongest claim, bloodline wise.
>>71326377
>Rhaegar if Aerys died
Rhaegar died before Aerys, how many times must this be repeated? When Aerys died his title passed to his children
All of you autists are retards.
Sam is going to find the papers legitimizing Jon. Marital status irrelevant.
Screencap this.
When did the Targaryens stop doing the two wives thing? Or was Aegon the Conqueror the only one with 2 wives ever?
>>71319241
Jon and Daenerys, as Targaryens. The Baratheon Kings have been shit-tier from beginning to end.
>>71326372
Continuing his fathers wrenching legacy in the Riverlands
>>71326445
Aegon had two wives because there was nobody to tell him he couldn't fuck both his sisters. His successors were less ballsy and less successful at living larger than life.
>>71319241
Isn't it obvious?
Jon is going to hate living in the South. No good has come of any Stark that has gone South. So even if Jon is legitimate he is going to reject it and stay in the North.
>>71326508
So getting drunk and knocking up every woman prettier than Brienn of Tarth?
>>71326191
What is legitimization
It's only happen a million times on this show.
>>71326372
>>71319931
He and Lyanna fell in love. He didn't give a shit about Elia
>>71326557
I'm glad Stannis won't survive in the books either
>>71326569
>What is legitimization
Something that is performed by the Bastard's father. Legitimization is literally the father acknowledging that "yes you are my child and you have the right to inherit" so there's zero point in anyone but the father legitimizing a bastard, it's meaningless.
>>71326431
I'm a bit foggy on my rights of succession traditions I guess, where does it say that?
It seems to make the most sense that it would pass to Rhaegar's trueborn children, Aegon and Rhaenys died when Aerys did but then if Rhaegar happened to have a third unborn child then wouldn't it bounce to that babby and not to Viserys?
The way I understand it, shouldn't it be:
Aerys > Rhaegar > Aegon VI > Jon(if trueborn) > Viserys?
Rhaegar died, Aerys died, Aegon VI died then Jon's next in line, no?
>>71326589
Sorry buddy your map was outdated :^)
Name 1 thing he did wrong
>>71326857
he was religious
he believed in god
he was against incest
he is a homophobe
>>71326857
Turn out to be a much less intelligent character that Margaery, that was kinda disappointing but it was interesting to see how smart Margaery was.
>>71326562
If Jon becomes king he can just say fuck it, capital is now Winterfell.
>>71326802
I don't think an unborn child enters the line, even if he's not a bastard which in Jon's case is unclear. Jon was unborn at Rhaegar's death, denying him the prime successor claim
when Aerys died the Rhaegar line is considered empty so it should bounce to Viserys who was the official successor
>>71326079
Basically this. Robert took the throne by force anyway. The Targaryens took it before him and so on. It's a free-for-all when Kelly C shows up.
Does anyone else think that Arya is going to be the one to assassinate Cercei? I've had that suspicion for a while.
>>71324255
pottery
>>71326857
abandoned a life of money and whores
>>71326857
Being an old white male, trying to smack some sense into the world.
>>71324994
because she did, you drooling retard
"If Robert finds out, he'll kill him, you know he will"
>>71326802
The line of succession is determined by age, and by relation to the previous king. So first you start with the King's children, then go to his grandchildren, great grandchildren etc. If you're out of those you look at other relatives and it's less clear. In the event the king had no true born children usually his next oldest brother (if any) is offered the crown, then after that any nephews (sons of his brothers, then sons of his sisters), then after that cousins.
So following this logic, Rhaegar is first in line, then Viserys since he's Aery's second son, then it would be either Aegon or Jon, depending on which one was born first since they are both Rhaegar's sons. Assuming Jon is trueborn, which it's highly unlikely he was.
>>71319686
In a roundabout way, yes. Only hinted at that it's the norm to pass through males because Dorne is the one exception to that rule. When they joined the Seven Kingdoms after the others were subjugated by the Targaryens, they were allowed to keep some of their own laws and customs, which included inheritance going to the eldest child, regardless of sex (including titles and authority). Since this was considered abnormal to the other kingdoms, that would mean they considered "normal" to be that only sons are inheritors.
jon's only chance was to join with the white walkers
revenge lich king route is now closed off and he will become the 'chosen one' trope instead
>>71323755
>implying Jon and Lady Mormont aren't destined for each other
>>71325929
For Dorne (and the Martells)
>>71319241
If we consider Robert's claim to come from being descended from a Targaryen King, then we must consider that the next King must have Targaryen ancestry.
Jaime has Baratheon ancestry but not Targaryen ancestry.
I would put forth a Martell due to them marrying a Targaryen princess in the past. But of course, the Martells in the show are dead.
I would assume the Velaryons would be somewhere in there since they are also of Valyrian stock and probably married a few Targaryen princesses in 3 centuries
>>71326819
wait
so Dorne was on the same continent as the rest?
then why did they always sail to dorne?
and why was dorne largely absent from the first seasons?
they're far closer to kings landing than the north is.
Also, is the north of the wall too hard to attack by sea? Cause if I were jon, I'd find the biggest navy and ally myself real quick
which happens to be the navy that's invading kings landing.
>>71319241
On the Show, Jon Snow. So many major houses are dead now he has the best claim
>>71325929
No that's the Martell's, they still keep to some Rhoynish traditions, including Primogeniture, meaning the eldest child inherits regardless of sex. In the books that's why Arianne Martell was trying to kidnap Myrcella, to set her up as Queen under Dornish law as the eldest living child.
>>71327189
I didn't hear that.
>>71327509
nigga do you even watch the opening?
DUDE
LETS GO MURDER THEM LMAO
>>71326245
Is there anyone living who can "legitimize" Jon?
Wasn't Stannis about to legitimize him?
>>71322222
quints tell the truth
>>71327329
what about Rhaegar's kids with Elia?
Aerys died probably a few hours before or after Elia and the baby Targs
If Charles died, Andrew wouldn't become heir presumptive
>>71322999
HUR DUR I CAN GOOGLE I GOT TRIPS YAAAA
go be retarded somewhere else, this isnt fucking reddit
>>71327329
So if Jon's trueborn then he has the strongest claim because Viserys is dead and Dany is female, why disagree with me?
>>71319264
This would be true if we were following the Lannister line of succession.
But this is still the supposed "Baratheon" line of succession. Correct me if I'm wrong.
>>71327590
no, not really.
>>71327589
rewatch the episode at the first given opportunity, torrent it if you must, she says it softly to him but completely audibly, first time I watched it I didn't hear "Robert" but just "he'll kill him", but upon rewatching you can defo hear her say Robert's name
>>71327592
>HURR DURR
>OKAY I GUESS!
The Iron Islands seem to be trying way to hard to get their "Dumbest Kingdom" title back from Dorne
>>71327589
>I didn't hear that.
Well then I guess it really wasn't said then! Cause you didn't hear it! I guess that settles it!
>>71327509
Sunspear is where they would sail to and it is located at the tip of Dorne. So it is a lot quicker to just sail there than have to travel by land all the way there. It wasn't introduced sooner in the story because they didn't show up in the books. The reason for that is because they hate the Lanisters because they blame them for the Mountail killing and raping Elia Martell. So they never went to Kingslanding much.
>>71327509
There are fuckhuge mountains in the way
>>71327509
>then why did they always sail to dorne?
Because what that blank map doesn't show you is the fuck huge desert and fuck off huge mountains that separate Dorne from the rest of the continent. Why trek through a godforsaken desert when you can sail much faster by boat, considering Sunspear is right on the coast anyway?
>and why was dorne largely absent from the first seasons?
Because it was largely absent from the first few books.
>they're far closer to kings landing than the north is.
Yeah but they hate Lannisters and aren't fond of Baratheons either, what with them being responsible for killing Ellia Martell, Prince Doran's sister. There's also a very long and bitter rivalry between Dorne and the Reach (the place the Tyrells rule), so until Oberyn Martell came to Kings Landing to get revenge for Ellia they didn't have any reason to hang around where we could see them.
The whole fucking point is that nobody has a claim, it's all won by might. My god the damn throne is forged from swords, like the most straightforward symbolism that it's won by strength.
>>71326857
He didn't listen to his wife and didn't get the check back from Richard Roma.
>>71327743
I've got it recorded so I'll just rewatch it later
>>71327724
they sail to dorne because is probably faster and safer way to get to sunspear, which is on the coast.
>>71327753
The whole squid plot is so boring and unbelievable in the show, I don't even care anymore.
I even used to just look forward to Alfie Allen being on screen because he's the best young actor the show has but even now they're making him look like he was a dwarf hating cock when it was Tyrion that did the shit talking back in Winterfell.
>>71327636
>what about Rhaegar's kids with Elia
He had only two, the elder was a girl, the infant was Aegon, the boy I mentioned. I think Aegon was slightly older than Jon but I'm not sure. They would come in after Aerys children at any rate.
The hour of their death doesn't really matter, because the succession is determined in the manner I spoke of. Literally set from the moment of birth.
>>71325430
It depends on succession. Sometimes if the first born son died it would pass to his son and not his brother. Some ASOIAF site has a pretty detailed succession chart.
>>71319241
Some random Baratheon cousin that has never been mentioned.
>>71322389
*Faegon
>>71327690
If he could prove it, which he almost certainly cannot, so even if he WAS trueborn (which again, I seriously doubt) it wouldn't make a difference. Weddings only count if you have witnesses, else anyone could claim to have been secretly married and there'd be no point to weddings at all.
>>71327992
>if the first born son died it would pass to his son and not his brother
when Rhaegar died Jon was still unborn so it still wouldn't pass to him
>>71326732
Nope. Wrong. The king can do it too. Or it can be in a will.
Kys.
>>71322999
Not in Game of Thrones you fucking idiot.
>>71327985
lol
Why does not one want Essos?
>>71328037
Dany is gonna have the dragons breath fire on him, and he wont be burned.
All doubt removed.
>>71328037
>leave this thread for 30 minutes
>faggots are still on about evidentiary issues related to marriage
Repeat after me.
R's will.
Or some other shit.
Legitimizing Jon.
Is in Oldtown.
And Sam.
Will find it.
/thread
>>71326857
he waited way too long to fire the missiles at the british and chinese. also he got emotional when his wife cheated on him.
>>71328037
Bran could prove it and attest to being a witness to the marriage or have someone else do it in the past but that's going to require some really good writing or really bad writing to pull off and lots of time travel fuckery either way.
>>71324176
That's why he got to be king.
People in this thread are so fucking dumb that they don't understand how male bloodline monarchical power is passed down.
>>71327615
He could insofar as nobody would be willing to challenge him on that. It would be unorthodox but who would quibble law with a king in a matter like that?
>>71328104
Kings don't have any kind of god-given authority to legitimize bastards, it's just that when a King decides to do something it's very hard to disagree with them.
>>71328182
wha?
>>71326565
Yes
>>71327985
where are you getting this from?
by that logic Stannis had right to be king even if incest kids were legit
the reason Viserys was proclaimed king was because word of Elia and the kids' death reached them at the same time as that of Aerys, no?
>>71328231
>Bran could prove it
Yes I'm sure they will believe the boy who claims he's a raven and has visions of the past in his dreams. Totally a credible source of information.
>>71328181
Yeah, Sam will definitely find something in that library, there's a reason they are still including that guy
>>71328126
Cause it's mostly desert
>>71326857
he was super jew-ey
>>71328311
He could just tree magic that shit, bro.
>>71328303
>by that logic Stannis had right to be king
Only after Robert's trueborn children, of which there were none, hence his rather adamant claim to the throne upon realizing Cersei's children were incestuous bastards.
>>71325059
>>71321477
The King's Guard bore witness.
They wouldn't be protecting her and her son if she wasn't part of the royal family.
>>71327718
It's actually Jaime in the Baratheon succession believe it or not.
