https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/jun/26/finding-dory-independence-day-resurgence-box-office
What went wrong
It'll make 200 Million in China
>>71309468
Nobody wanted it. The plot is literally "Same as the first one with a bigger ship."
they cast a hemsworth
>>71309530
And those nips will keep 75%.
>>71309468
fatal lack of buzz? i never heard anything about it until a week ago
And no Will Smith, nobody was going to see this if it didn't have Will Smith
Does anyone actually find Liam hemsworth appealing? He has a complete lack of charisma is seems to be riding the wave of his much more talented brother
the word of mouth was terrible and nobody really ever wanted it. maybe if it was made ten years ago idk
wasn't released on independence day
Doomed from the start; no one really wanted a sequel, it was fine as a single movie.
The final death knell was when It Ain't Me played in the commercials.
>>71309468
Did thor forget to take his steroids???
DISNEY BOUGHT CRITICS
>>71309919
All the other movies airing on Independence Day weekend are set to do horribly.
>>71309757
Thor never had a box office success outside Marvel, with the exception of Snow White and the Huntsman but that was years ago and during the peak of the Twilight fever so the tween girls took it as medieval Twilight
>lets make a sequel on a perfectly fine movie that never needed a sequel
>why didnt people come see it?! Surely Liam is a big enough name?
Hollywood is retarded for hiring these shit actors like lawrence and hemsworth.
>>71309995
I'll go see this shit in theaters if It Ain't Me is used in the movie. I could use a good laugh.
>>71309468
>Be Roland Emmerich
>have a medium-hit with Stargate in early 1990s
>have a huge hit with ID4 in the mid-1990s
>OMG we A-list now
>make Godzilla
>massive bomb
>oh well he at least directed a movie before let's give him other jobs with a slighter smaller budget
>The Day After Tomorrow
>fucktarded
>2012
>even more fucktarded
>lol costume drama calledAnonymous
>also huge bomb
>lol you can't get work anymore
>what's the one movie you can still get greenlit at this point?
>ID4 2: The IDening
>huge flop
>Emmerich and ID4-cowriter Dean Devlin already announced a Stargate reboot two weeks ago
When that bombs too (because it ignores three TV shows that have huge followings), finally we'll be rid of this assclown.
people dont care about remakes, reboot, redos, restarts, franchise reboot sequels/prequels anymore
ghostubusters will be the singularity of all of this
its time to start making more original movies
>>71309658
>nips
>China
fucking idiot
ghostbusters is gonna make like 20m opening weekend if this summer so far is anything to go by
>>71309530
>le china meme
They dont even want this shit
>>71310184
>finally we'll be rid of this assclown.
You don't understand the power of jewish nepotism, anon. You can literally be imprisoned for child rape and still have a job waiting for you in Kikeywood if you are a member of the tribe.
>>71310065
Don't think it plays in the movie. Just the commercials unfortunately.
But on the bright side, it is in the soundtrack for Suicide Squad
>>71310188
>ghostbusters remake announced
>why remake a perfect movie that;s dumb
>no no, it's a FEMALE reboot. if you hate it, you hate women
>fine, whatever
>don't go see movie
>it bombs
>see guys? no one likes movies with girls in them. here's Transformers 6.
why the fuck would you make Independence Day without Will "welcome to earth" Smith?
>>71310184
You forgot 10,000 BC which was a huge flop.
>>71309757
I agree. He only gets by because of his face
>>71310247
$20m domestic opening for that movie would be considered a flop.
>>71309757
He's just another forgettable face in the recently growing line of bland Aussie exports
No Will Smith
>>71310418
And on top of that they ruined the president by turning him into a paranoid cripple with a weird voice
Releasing opposite of a Pixar movie like a bunch of idiots.
>>71310486
this guy disappeared lol
>>71310247
It's currently tracking for $40-$50 million.
http://www.slashfilm.com/ghostbusters-box-office-projections/
>>71310445
Also that. All his bullshit runs together, he's like a parallel universe Michael Bay.
literally 90% of the movies released this year have flopped or underperformed
only deadpool has been a surprise hit and made tons of cash
>>71310486
I thought this was Jai Courtney until I read the file name
>>71310487
>implying you'd see it if Will Smith was in it
Lies.
>>71310624
F4 was tracking similar. GB will do at the absolute maximum 40m.
It's over.
I hadn't been in a theater for over a year and a half for this
>>71310647
Star Trek Beyond will be interesting BO wise, but there isn't much left. Did BvS even hit 800m WW?
>>71310624
>studio head literally says "are you kidding me?!" when confronted about the backlash
>>71309642
hemsworthless at the box office
>>71310761
>Star Trek Beyond
Star Trek Beyong comes out in like a month and there are no ads for it and there absolutely no buzz for it.
>>71310624
>projections
This is literally a meaningless number, it's decided by accountants. "If we hire actor X it will make Ymillion, if we spend Z on marketing that will add an additional Q million. Projections show Y+Q = opening weekend."
They forgot the part where it's a pointless remake (regardless of gender) of a perfect movie, and every trailer has been terrible.
Biggest bomb of the summer, mark it down.
Reviews matter these days
Batman V Superman would have fucking bombed super hard if it wasn't Batman and Superman
only 6 movies this year have done over 200 million
only 9 have done over 100 million
>>71310648
I've seen like four movies with Jai Courtney in them and I couldn't tell you what he looked like if you put a gun to my head.
>>71310800
872 million but WB wanted at least a billion
That is why this is happening now
>>71310800
They made a new Star Trek?
>>71310614
he's the main character in the highest grossing movie of all time and he's currently making 4 sequels
>disappeared
Isn't Independence Day like a kind of schlocky, charismatic, funny action movie?
Don't the trailers for Resurgence look like they took the Dark Knight route and made it super serious?
All they needed was a black guy to say "aw hell nah" and it would have made a billion dollars.
>>71310184
>Emmerich and ID4-cowriter Dean Devlin already announced a Stargate reboot two weeks ago
This isn't Star Trek, the fanbase actively dislikes the idea and literally no one else cares enough to be hype.
They're dead unless they can come up with a new successful IP again and I think we know the chances of that.
>>71310811
Batman v Superman is the prime example of how much reviews, it would have easily don't like 1.6 billion, but the reviews killed it.
>>71310908
I haven't seen him since 2010
>>71310418
>why the fuck would you make Independence Day without Will "welcome to earth" Smith?
He was making After Earf at the time and was against doing two films that (he felt) mined the same ideas.
>>71309593
This. The first one wasn't even that good to begin with.
>>71310889
yes and people hate it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRVD32rnzOw
It's coming out next month and a swear to god when I first remembered it existed 3 weeks ago, I assumed it was coming out in November or 2017, it comes out in a month and no one is talking about it.
Look how fucking terrible this quarter has been!
Everything is bombing!
OMG, It's bigger and stronger! How surprising.
They will even need a female and a non-white to help the All American Hero.
What a refreshing plot!
>>71310958
he has never seen you at all.
>>71311002
The new trailer is getting good reactions.
>>71311069
And I bet you money a majority of people don't even know it's coming out soon.
>>71310418
I vaguely recall reading that he would only do the movie if they gave his son an important role in it as well. Studio said no, so Smith said no.
I respect that Will Smith wants to give his son a good foot in the door for his acting career, but it shouldn't be on his faher's coattails- he needs to make his own identity.
Jason Borne and, assuming it doesn't get poor reviews, Suicide Squad will be the only movies this summer than don't under perform.
>>71311148
>I vaguely recall reading that he would only do the movie if they gave his son an important role in it as well
You'd think he'd learned from After Earth.
Will didn't want to do Suicide Squad and this movie
He gave them a crazy $60 million dollar quote to hire him that he knew they wouldn't be able to pay
>>71311002
>ifirit ebola gets top billing
Has any other actor been so forcefully shoved down everyones throats?
>>71310981
The first one is actually quite good for its genre
>>71310647
>Zootopia
>not a surprise hit
>not pure kino
>>71310247
This whole year has been shit. There's been like, what... three good movies?
>>71309468
> Independence Flops
If only /tv/ posted a screenshot like this when the Female Ghostbusters movie comes out.
Sadly you know it wont flop. Do to all the bad press the trailer has gotten there are people even in this very thread who are going to go see it just to see how bad it really is.
>>71311467
It's tracking poorly.
>>71311148
How Can Box Office Reception Be Real If Our Acting Talents Aren't Real
>>71311298
Disney only has surprise flops
>>71311234
Maybe, but it wasn't good enough to deserve a sequel.
>>71310800
Apparently test-screenings were pretty poor and they had to reshoot a large portion of it, even including a new character, and that's why there's been little marketing about it.
>>71310232
those slopes will keep 75%
>>71311950
>reshoot a large portion of it, even including a new character
Sign of an excellent movie.
>>71311308
the top 3 box office winners this year are all disney movies.
>>71311950
This movie is about to come out in a month and there's been no ads for it.
>>71311148
Literally none of that is true. He had time commitments and they rewrote the script to focus on a younger legacy generation instead of a father-son relationship.
>>71311148
Will Smith has already said he doesn't want to star in movies with his son anymore.
>>71312190
T-they can't keep getting away with it!
so many bombs this year
>>71309530
Wasnt Warcraft outed for box office fraud in China?
Smith didn't come back because he had just done "After Earth" and didn't want to do another movie where he's a soldier in a technologically-advanced military unit going through drama with his kid.
He's clearly trying to shed his "family man" image and do some edgier stuff to win back the crowd, first with "Focus", now with "Suicide Squad", next with the David Ayer/Max Landis gritty fairy tale buddy cop drama film.
>>71312688
How about I shed your skin and wear it as a suit?
>>71310648
Jai Courtney is the new Sam Worthington.
>>71312408
>even Will Smith knows his son is a piece of shit now
Its kinda nice.
>>71310184
Anonymous was good though.
>>71312224
Yeah, I only realized about that movie in this thread
>>71309757
one time he threw a brick at my friend at a bar in philly
>>71309468
Probably because Roland Emmerich has spent over the last two decades cultivating a career of making forgettable schlock. Plus, the original Independence Day is one of those movies that you remember liking as a kid, but then you rewatch it, and realize that it hasn't held up all that well.
>>71312408
>Will Smith has already said he doesn't want to star in movies with his brave genderfluid child anymore.
Fixed
>>71309593
but people wanted a Finding Nemo sequel?
>inb4 it's only okay when Disney does it
>>71309468
As a film, it takes itself too seriously.
As an sequel to Independence Day, it makes no sense.
Remember, the aliens in Independence Day were scavengers, analogies for industrial concerns of the day; consuming one planet before moving on to the next. It was stated in the movie that they were attacking because they would starve otherwise, and heavilly inferred that this was the only ship of this species.
Moreover, the ship in the movie made no sense either.
A ship that large, moving as fast as thet particular mothership was shown to would be making +p speeds. If anything making reletavistic speeds collided with the Earth's atmosphere, the Solar system would end. No ifs, ands, or duts about it; it would just fucking end. Not to mention the fact that a ship that massive would destroy the planet just as a function of its gravity, and not even touching on the total unfeasability of a ship that large that isn't self-sustaining.
>>71313169
>that's not a brick, this is a brick!
>>71313597
>analogies for industrial concerns of the day; consuming one planet before moving on to the next
Oh fuck off.
The city destruction scenes were far better in the original one
Fuck this shit
Has there ever been a sequel released more than 10 years after its predecessor that wasn't bad?
Just look at zoolander, dumb and dumber, and now independence day
>>71313786
Anchorman 2.
>>71313916
anchorman 2 was shit
daily reminder that for tax purposes no Hollywood movie has ever officially "made money"
>>71311520
kek
>>71313539
Yes. They did.
>>71309468
Sequel nobody asked for
>>71314032
a sequel people asked for 18 years ago.
>>71310908
lel, avatar came out like 7 years ago and the sequel(s) aren't coming out for years still and he's not even going to be himself in those movies since he's now the blue dude and he'll just do voice acting and shit.
he hasn't been in a big movie in a long fucking time. he belongs in dead careers general.
That subtitle pisses me off. It implies if will Smith were in it, it would have succeeded. He's just as much box office poison as Johnny Depp these days.
>>71310908
He hasn't been in a successful movie in 7 years.
this movie had:
>white male and asian female couple
>white male and white female couple
The black male was left cucked and just smiled
>>71314499
damn that part made me laugh
>>71314129
Most teenagers with disposable income that have time to go to movies weren't even alive 18 years ago.
>>71314499
>Being single now means you're also a cuck
Is doing anything besides just constantly violently penetrating every woman in a fifty foot radius of yourself cuck tier
>>71309919
It was released on British Independence Day
Movie didn't need a sequel. Glad I read the plot on Wiki.
So basically, the next movie we take the fight to them with help from another alien race? That's so fucking jumping the shark
>>71314665
>most teenagers weren't even alive 18 years ago
>most people under 18 weren't alive 18 years ago
What makes you say that?
>>71314801
This time, humans are the invading aliens.
>>71314732
Yeah, pretty much.
Just ask your wife's son.
>>71314858
I haven't met anyone under 18 alive 18 years ago. I don't know if anyone is, so I can't say for certain.
The breakup with Jessi must have rotted his fucking brain.
>>71314665
...
>>71309593
no body wanted FD, but if you have kids your fucked.
If you loved the first one for what it was you will love this one as well.
>>71309593
>Nobody wanted it. The plot is literally "Same as the first one with a bigger ship."
You mean like SW7?
>>71313677
>Environmentalism wasn't only just coming into vogue in the 1990s
>sequel no one ants flops
Media doesn't say anything
>reboot no one wants flops
SEXIST
I thought it was great.
>>71311950
hope they didn't need any more scenes with Yelchin
>>71310976
because will said no but they still wanted to make money off the brand
>>71314801
Will there really be a sequel after these box office numbers?
>>71309468
GOOD!
Fucking Jews and their stupid fucking remake bullshit.
>>71313539
And still the don't make a sequel for the only Pixar movie that actually needs it: The Incredibles.
>>71310418
Main reason why I didn't/don't care. I need my Smith, man.
>>71312408
sauce. i bet this is a total misinterpretation
>>71310554
His character was half out of his mind with dumb (not as in stupid, as in 'struck dumb' fear) for three-quarters of his screentime. he was more or less normal by the time he shaved, but unfortunately his speech was delivered while he was still half-fucked and didn't land the same way as the first, even if it wasn't meant to be the same kind of speech.
>>71310911
Resurgence is dumb as fuck. Like, really dumb as fuck. It also feels like it takes itself way less seriously than ID4 did, even with the supposedly increased stakes.
>>71316938
I should add that while it's dumb, I was actually entertained, but not in the way that ID4 clicked. It shouldn't really bomb, but they were way overconfident in immediately setting up a sequel like they did.
>>71312688
>David Ayer/Max Landis gritty fairy tale buddy cop drama film
>>71313476
>Genderfluid
Oh god please dont tell me his son went in that tumblr direction too.
>>71310486
He can't do accents for shit. Terminator he started with an 'american' accent and then switched back halfway through
>>71316938
Brent Spiner's character legit died in the first movie, how did they handwave that in Resurgence
>Already made over $100mil
>Flops
You retards live for made up drama don't you?
so it was clearly their intention to include chinese star
http://chinafilminsider.com/on-screen-china-angelababy-gives-resurgence-shot-rmb-1b/
>>71317425
lol Coma. There's some interview around with Spiner where he says even he thinks it's a huge stretch but like fuck he was gonna turn down a gig. He's actually somehow way less annoying in this one, too.
>>71310184
Why is it called ID4? What does the 4 stand for?
>>71318218
4 you.
No real charismatic actor at the forefront to draw the domestic crowd, Chris' little brother is just Chris-lite in every way
>>71317427
do-mes-tic
>>71318651
Cool goalpost move, bro.
Hollywood keeps making sequels out of shit no one wants because they want to make a cinematic universe instead of being creatives so they can giver you weekend at bernies 9 revenge of the fallen
![finding-dory[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/hbKZq7y.png "finding-dory[1].png")
>cucked by a fish
>>71319250
I've seen a video of that happening.
Nobody cared when Will Smith decided to say no.
>>71317779
>He's actually somehow way less annoying in this one, too
His character was modeled on Rev. Ivan Stang of the Church of the SubGenius.
>>71310184
>finally we'll be rid of this assclown
Nah, he's like herpes. Just when you think he's gone, there he is again.
>>71318218
July 4th
>>71311148
>I vaguely recall reading that he would only do the movie if they gave his son an important role in it as well
He wanted Emmerich to give his son and his wife parts, and he wanted $50 million. Emmerich said no.
>>71319367
Interesting; it worked. I know he was supposed to be out of touch being cooped up in Area 51 in the first film but he just came off as callous. In this one he was just more generically kooky scientist dude but it worked much better for him.
>>71311520
>>71311520
>>71313539
Yes. The Facebook/Tumblr/Twitter/Reddit crowd wanted it because "muh childhood" and because they actually have an emotional attachment to the original movie and its characters.
Because it has some literally who's as the leading men instead of Will Smiff
>>71313677
Jeff Goldblum had a boner for environmentalism on the first movie. He never mentioned anything about the environment on Resurgence so I guess he moved on
>>71314499
I was afraid they would pair the nigger with the chink girl. That's the kind of miscalculation I expect from Hollywood
>>71322879
Black guy literally got reverse cucked by white guy at the end.
>>71314499
>>71322942
I wonder if on an early draft of the script, the black guy was dating the president daughter and Liam cucked him. Black guy hated him too much for making a risky maneuver and getting him hurt. Yeah, that's a jerk move but nothing to hate Liam's guts, act like Liam is dead and hit him in the face the first day on the moon station. Liam cucking him while being his best friend would be a more valid reason. Resurgence had several writers so it isn't farfetched
>>71312408
>>71312965
>Jaden was a mistake
Since it flopped, are we pretending it's "kino" yet?
I'd like to get a head start on my contrarian opinion.
>>71310628
The difference being that Bay makes money
>>71325330
Bay is intelligent, he just doesn't care about cinema as a narrative medium.
Emmerich is genuinely dumb
IT'S NOT FAIR
IT WAS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD
I liked it, but I guess I'm just a pleb
Question; what happened to Constance Spano, Goldblum's wife in the first movie? Goldblum had a new love interest, and his old wife wasn't mentioned at all, despite the first movie having them get back together.
