>Terminator 1
>The Terminator is damaged and wears a pair of sunglasses to hide his inhumanity
>Terminator 2
>The Terminator decides to wear sunglasses at night to look "cool"
This is why T1 > T2
>not wanting to look cool
I bet you wear white new balance shoes with jeans, huh?
T2 Tasteful Sunglasses > T1 Dorky Huge Stupid Sunglasses
Second one is better for fitting in.
IRC the future changed in the first movie so something about the T-800 preferred to wear sunglasses because the one in the past did. Like an evolutionary trait passed down or something.
Has Arnold ever been in a bad movie ?
>>71292602
He makes every movie good because of how natural his acting is as well as thw fact hes a genuinely nice guy.
Without him last action hero, that one where hes a teacher and the repet clone one would suck
>>71292591
>evolution
>in robots
fuck off
>>71292411
DAMN DANIEL
>>71292383
I've always thought T1 was the better movie.
It's more a sort of horror movie and truly pretty scary.
T2 is just some action movie, and even if the effects were really good at the time I don't really think they've held up.
>>71292922
Kill yourself you fucking queer.
Do it!
Put the gun to your faggot autistic brains and pull the goddamn trigger you faggot ass loser
>>71293093
What did he meme by this?
>>71292383
4chan.org/t"there's no way I ever understand the concept of tongue in cheek humour"v/
>>71293200
Everyone on this website is a faggot geek who will never touch a pussy and they occasionaly drive-by shitpost from some underaged faggot.
>>71292970
Aside from the doll getting dragged nearly every VFX shot from T2 has held up fantastically.
>>71292426
T1 sunglasses are patrician as fuck. T2 are meh.
>>71292922
>he doesn't understand that every action has a reaction
>he doesn't understand that maybe skynet was watching security feeds from back then
>he doesn't understand how time works and the imprint that can be left behind
Come back when your understanding of science is beyond the 8th grade, future school shooter.
>I have detailed files on human anatomy.
>what's wrong with your eyes?
>why do you cry?
>>71293612
>evolution
>a. Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, often resulting in the development of new species. The mechanisms of evolution include natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, mutation, migration, and genetic drift.
>robots
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>>71292383
he looks less conspicuous with his lifeless eyes while wearing sunglasses
>>71294004
>robots
>cybernetic organisms
pick one
>>71292383
Why did the T800 adjust his hair in T1?
>>71292602
depends on your opinion of Batman & Robin
Knowing /tv/, you probably love it.
>>71293991
>makes an observation about his eyes
>doesn't understand human emotions
>emotions=anatomy
>>71293991
It doesn't explain in the books what exactly causes you to cry for no reason, when you are emotionally in pain not physically
>>71293991
his detailed files make him an efficient killer and also help perform needed operation on John Connor if necessary.
They don't explain human emotion to him.
Surgical textbooks probably don't cover what drives humans to cry, but they're detailed with human anatomy.
>>71293991
Sarah's comment "[Your files on human anatomy] makes you a more efficient killer, right?" gives some insight into why the T800 is confused by crying. Basically, you don't need to waste file space on crying when programmed for murder.
>>71294047
to blend in
>roided megaman with strong Austrian accent? no problem
>hair out of place? ROBOT!
Techno Noir was real.
BAD TO THE BONE
Honestly the Bad to the Bone scene where he takes the shotgun and sunglasses is pretty much just there because it's fun, and damn it, it is.
Cameron knew this.
>>71294280
> watch T1 and T2 back to back
> be so hyped and happy with the series
> type to watch T3 seen it once fucking years ago
> saw it today
> mfw
exhibit B why T1 > T2
first movie looks gritty and real
second movie looks blue and mechanical, which I know is the point, because machines, but still.
There was actually a firmware update between T1 and T2 which told the T800 that riding a motorcycle without glasses or a helmet is suspicious because you get bugs and grit in your eyes and humans will avoid such things
I don't think I've noticed until now how much Arnold looks like an "ugly ginger kid" in T2. He definitely could've used the bigger, manlier T1 shades.
T1 shades > T2 sunglasses
>>71294348
>pretty girl terminator
>towlk teu da hand
>my so called life girl
The ending was good though, surprised me the first time.
this thread has been posted word for word, same image and all, before.
>>71294113
Emotions are literally derived from our anatomy. He honestly should have detailed files on our irrational emotional responses derived from the logical evolutionary reaction to stressors.
>>71294377
Theres different color releases man. I remember watching T1 and it was blue and green as shit, until finding version with original color palet
>>71294377
They're both different looking movies, but I've always admired how modern T2 looks despite being 25 years old now.
>>71294446
and all of it will happen again
>>71292602
Every movie after Last Action Hero.
>>71294446
>>71294377
That movie is my fucking aesthetic, man.
Same with The Killer, Escape From New York, The Warriors, shit like that.
>>71294487
I suppose they should have given him personality and emotions and make him exactly like humans in every way, so he doesn't resemble a cyborg in the slightest too.
>>71294582
>True Lies is a bad movie
>>71294173
>>71294113
Even basic files on human anatomy would include tear ducts and their function so he wouldn't need to ask if there was something wrong with his eyes. No understanding of emotions needed.
>>71294118
>>71294226
In T3, the same model terminator preforms an analysis just by looking at John Conner when he threatens to shoot himself and even says he measures heart rate, pupil dilation, and perspiration.
Maybe I'm nitpicking the point, but it just doesn't seem sensible that a machine built for assassination that clearly understands fear and human anatomy, has no understanding of the function of crying.
>>71294348
The t3 is bed meme needs to die already.
T1 > T2 > T3 > SCC > salvation > using a wood chipper as a slip and slide > genyshit
>>71294703
It's been awhile but I thought the T3 Arnold was slightly different model.
>>71292602
Eraser was his last decent role despite how cliche it was. Prime Arnold ends at True Lies, but he had already begun to erode his reputation with Kindergarten Cop, Junior, and Twins.
>>71294717
>The t3 is bed meme needs to die already.
its not a meme, the movie is just shit, you can watch T1 and T2 back to back and have a nice debate which one is better and what you prefer, T3 is just shit, theres no one to even argue that "Well you know akshually it was kind of ok"
>>71294703
>Even basic files on human anatomy would include tear ducts and their function so he wouldn't need to ask if there was something wrong with his eyes. No understanding of emotions needed.
>What's wrong with your eyes?
>I got some sand in one of them from spending days sleeping in the desert
>Come here, I will remove it
>>71294613
Sure I guess. Before that, knowing the kinds of things we might do under stress (like while we're being hunted) and why might be a good idea. Just sayin'.
>>71294703
>>71294781
yep, just checked, it's a T-850, probably more detailed files or something
both are good
but T1 is way more patrician
>>71294781
>>71294858
There's nothing in the movies that says its a different model of Terminator (in fact the opposite, he says he was chosen to infiltrate the resistance because of John's past experiences with the same model), the 'T850' idea is from the EU novelisation.
>>71294703
T3 fucks up the timeline is all sorts of ways but...
Watch T3 again. The T3 T800 clearly says it is not the same T800 from T2. As for tear ducts: Why do you need to know about tear ducts if you are trying to physically protect someone? Obviously the T2 can scan for physical injuries and would not need an emotional queue to sense them.
Also, maybe it is just nitpicking but it feels like a little more ambiguous. After all, Cameron did cut out a small side plot dealing with the T800s emotional and learning capacities due to continuity errors and "lore."
>>71292383
Terminator 2 is just a shitty kids film
>>71294963
well they never say T800 in any of the movies either, except maybe Genysis
>T1
>badass, gritty action movie
>T2
>fucking family fisher price disney movie for kids
Thats why T1 > T2
>>71294963
>There's nothing in the movies that says its a different model of Terminator
Wrong.
John: Do you even remember me? Sarah Connor? Blowing up Cyberdyne? "Hasta la vista, baby." Ring any bells?
T-850: That was a different T- .
John: What, do you come off an assembly line or something?
T-850: Exactly.
John: Oh, man. I'm gonna have to teach you everything all over again.
While the T-850 series number is from a novel, it is clear that this is a different Terminator. It can be assumed it has different programming due to the nature of his mission.
>>71295136
>T2
>fucking family fisher price disney movie for kids
>>71292411
In Paris New Balances are a new trend.
When I was 13 everyone was making fun of me for wearing those
>>71295179
Please tell me someone has the gif of anakin in the pod racer going ITS WORKING then cuts to Sarah blowing up
>>71295138
He's saying "I'm not the robot you met before" not "I'm a completely different type of robot"
In fact I'm sure he refers to both himself and the old one as T-101 in that scene.
>>71292383
Not even the first reason.
>T1
>Time itself is locked in a causality loop Skynet is not aware of. Time travel is possible, and can change the future, it just won't, because the future is already affected by the same act of time travel that it produces
>The world continues running after the loop is complete
>T2
>The future can be changed, and is changed, but apparently it doesn't change for the people who use time travel, otherwise it would be impossible for them to change the past multiple consecutive times as they did
>Skynet has to be aware of this
>Still fucking bothers with time travel
Also
>T1: Skynet is all but defeated
>T2: lol jk, you can't beat Skynet. Nah maybe you can
>T3: Psyche! Seriously though, you can't
>T:G Skynet is literally Doctor Who, can't be defeated in any way, can travel to any point in time, can't cause paradoxes that stop its own existence, but doesn't just leave humanity be or travel back to become Jesus, even though literally the only reason to wipe out humanity since the beginning was that "humanity is the only threat to its exitence" which we've established 2 movies ago isn't true because humanity can't destroy Skynet short of destroying the entirety of the Internet and all computers in existence, which let's be honest, we wont. All our porn is there
>>71295274
What I'm saying is that the T2 robot and T3 robot are different regardless of being the same or different series/model. Like two identical flash drives with different data inside of them. It makes sense that each would be programmed with different instruction sets for each mission.
>>71292383
He wore the sunglasses to fit in. Losing them further humanizes it, which is the opposite of the effect in the first movie.
I thought T2 was thematically richer to the point it transcended just being an amazing action movie with a fully realized character arc in Sarah, the humanization of a killing machine, and the challenging of fate. It works off the previous movie so well. I read someone call T1 a great genre film and T2 a great film, which is very agreeable.
>>71292383
T1
>Sarah is a typical damsel in distress who needs kyle to blow himself up to save her and only runs or hides the entire movie
T2
>sarah is a believable fit resourceful gun blasting mother hellbent on stopping the end of the world
This is why t2 > t1
>>71295274
they're both model 101, that's the outer skin, but the endoskeleton is either T-800 or T-850
>>71295482
"a great genre film" I read that kind of phrase a lot when talking about films. It's like being a genre film is detrimental in and of itself. Of course an obvious example we could go to would be comic book movies. At what point would it go from being "A good CBM" to simple "A good movie?" I hear it on podcasts a lot and it always bugs me, because being based on a comic somehow means it's an automatic detriment.
>>71293244
lel
I smell a redditor
>>71292602
Most of his new movies, and Hercules in New York. Hercules isn't even fun bad it's just bad
>>71295453
I'm trying to figure out what you mean by some of this, but you definitely have stuff wrong.
Skynet was first developed without the tech from the first Terminator, originally.
>T1: Skynet is all but defeated.
What? No. This is never implied. The movie ends with Sarah going into hiding in the mountains, because "there's a storm coming."
>T2: you can't beat Skynet
Again, never implied once. It's all about "no fate but what you make, etc."
>T3
Yes, T3, made by different people, fucked that up. It throws out the "no fate" and says Judgment Day is inevitable.
So we all agree T2 is Arnolds best film right?
>t1 has fully nudital sex scene
>tf2 has no nudity all
thats why
t1>t2
>>71294823
>watch T1 and T2 back to back and have a nice debate which one is better and what you prefer
>on /tv/
>>71292383
T1 is my favorite but T2 has this bad motherfucker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uTO31B1R2c
>>71296037
I think about it in the sense that it reaches excellence in the confines of what its genre encapsulates rather than being a genre film is a detriment. If the latter was the case, I wouldn't be praising T2 like I did. People do of course look down on comic book movies in that way, though.
>>71296073
No he's right.
You are the reddit.
>>71292383
Swole as fuck Arnold before jaw surgery >>>>>>>>>> Jawlet Arnold
Seriously he never should have gotten that jaw correction it was a trademark like his accent
>>71296212
Its definitely up there.
>Predator
>True Lies
>Total Recall
It could be a number of his movies, honestly.
>>71292383
i know basically the whole plot of the movies but never saw them
should I watch T1 and T2 have they aged well?
>>71295750
Why is that why T2 > T1?
Sounds like it just happened to fulfill your personal preference.
>>71296288
>t1 has a fully nudital scene
>nudital
It only shows Sarah's tatas and Arnold's wang in shadow
>t2 has no nudity at all
It has Arnold's buttocks and what's his face's buttocks
>>71296340
that's not even the setpiece in the movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwmi1sdWtNM
>>71296288
>I'm 12 and boobies mean the movie is good
>>71296470
the best* setpiece
T2 made no sense and was just a fun action popcorn flick. T1 is real deal (Alien), while T2 is mindless bad entertainment (Aliens).
>>71296406
>implying personal preference =/= undebatable factual evidence
I take it you haven't been here long
>>71292383
Maybe the sunglasses hide his unblinking mannequin sociopath eyes?
>>71296179
>What? No. This is never implied.
Watch the movie again.
It's literally spelled out when the police question Kyle Reese
He explictily states that the time travel was a last ditch effort by Skynet just before humantiy's final victory.
>Again, never implied once.
Didn't mean it literally there. Meant it more like "Hey, you know how Skynet was pretty much already defeated according to what Kyle said? Nope! It had a complete invasion force with which to overwhelm the human forces who only thought they won, which they didn't know about when they sent Kyle back."
>Yes, T3, made by different people, fucked that up. It throws out the "no fate" and says Judgment Day is inevitable.
Ironically, T3 makes the most sense out of all the sequels.
The idea that Skynet can't be defeated is the only logical conclusion after it's established that Skynet's creation was pushed forward to an age where the Internet is already a thing.
Also for the "what I mean by this" part, I'm assuming you mean my claim that T2 makes no sense, so let me reiterate:
>The friendly T-800 is sent back by John Connor
>The same John Connor who previously sent back Kyle
>Even though according to T2's interpretation on how time works, the future changes when you send someone back, he's still there to send the T-800 back too, so while sending Kyle back changed the past, he's in an alternate future now, one where HIS Kyle didn't go, but rather the previous John Connor's Kyle came to.
Basically, time travel creates a new timeline when you travel in time.
This means the future you send someone/something from doesn't change
This means Skynet has no reason to send back a single Terminator, because all it will ever accomplish is create an alternate timeline where an alternate Skynet may or may not stand better chances, which is entirely pointless, because Skynet is trying to maintain its own existence, and the only reason to alter a different universe, would be of sentimental reasons, which Skynet has not
>>71292411
New balance sneakers are IN though
>>71296399
Jesus fuck yes do it.
>>71292602
Yes.
Expendables 2.
>>71296510
>implying i wasnt 12 when movie came
yes nigger , i didnt watch it as 20 years old neet sorry for that.
,
>>71294703
The function of tear ducts isn't to leak all over your face when you're emotional. It's to moisturise your eyes. That's the function he has on record, and when they're leaking all over the place it's like when his oil is leaking or something. Because killer robots don't give a shit about knowing why people cry, only that fucking up their tear ducts might render their eyes dry and therefore a more viable target.
>>71292411
>implying this isn't /fa/ as fuck
>>71296691
>I still hold onto my 12 year old views.
Ok faggot
>>71296561
>He explictily states that the time travel was a last ditch effort by Skynet just before humantiy's final victory.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around what you're thinking here. What is your point here?
>>71292383
>LOOK SKYNET I POSTED IT AGAIN
>>71296836
Okay, look at it this way:
>Skynet is losing bad.
>Kyle says that (as far as they know) Skynet is all but defeated, and just before they could have destroyed it completely (in fact as I recall, they did, only to find out it already sent back the Terminator)
This means the following
>Skynet wanted to save itself, so it sent back a Terminator
There are two scenarios as to what happened next, either T1's interpretation, or T2's:
>T1:
>Skynet didn't know, but the future it itself was from, was already a future created by the very act of time travel it committed just then, meaning everything played out like it has done every iteration of the timeline before, Kyle fucked John's mom, creating Skynet's greatest enemy, and leading to Skynet's destruction and last ditch effort to save itself (i.e. the same act of time travel again, and again, and again, and again as the loop goes on)
>T2:
>Skynet's Terminator goes back, Skynet (somehow) ends up in a better situation than it was in the timeline described by Kyle, OR Kyle was misinformed, and Skynet actually still had a considerable force Kyle and the others of his time didn't know about
>Skynet continues to wage war on humans
>Skynet does this, after having sent back a Terminator
>Skynet had to have noticed, that the timeline in which itself exists didn't change, meaning again, that Time Travel creates an alternate universe, meaning it's completely useless for Skynet's purposes
>For some reason Skynet still sends back another Terminator, even though it by this point has to be aware that it will not affect its own status whatsoever because of what I just say
Is it any clearer now?
>>71297120
>and just before they could have destroyed it completely (in fact as I recall, they did, only to find out it already sent back the Terminator)
Fucked up the parentheses.
Meant to write:
and just before they could have destroyed it completely (in fact as I recall, they did, only to find out) it already sent back the Terminator
>>71294118
>>71294173
>>71294226
He's a fucking Terminator. He's designed for infiltration. How can he infiltrate if he can't recognize emotions?
>>71297120
according to the original T2 screenplay, Skynet sent back two terminators at the same time, just as a last ditch effort, one to the 80s, one to the 90s.
I don't think Skynet was winning again after sending the first one back.
Even if they weren't simultaneous and Skynet had lost the war, how many Terminators does it take to send one back in time? There could have still been a few rogues out there with another time machine.
Then you've got the third movie, which shows the humans celebrating victory.
So Skynet is just a shitty version of AM right?
>>71297760
>this guy sees someone crying and isn't reacting correctly! CYBORG!!
guys it's starting already
>>71297760
They just wear one of these. It also makes sure that everyone's really slow to react when they starts tossing people around, because people think it's just a poor tard raging.
>>71298191
>Sends a Terminator back in time
>Sends another Terminator back at the same time, which is explicitly a better Terminator to improve on the shortcomings of the previous one
>Sends them to two different times, despite one having nothing to do if the other succeeds
>Doesn't send them both to the same time so they can work together
>Second one (which is sent at the same time as the first) which got sent to the 90s gets sent there to kill John Connor, even though it's explicitly stated in T1 that the only bit of information available on John Connor's past location was the location of his mother before his birth, so Skynet just casually throws a dart into the timeline and hits a bullseye sending the T-1000 exactly what John was at the time
>The resistance just so happened to have a reprogrammed T-800 lying about to send back to the second's location too
That is such bullshit, I could actually believe it being part of T2
But yeah, regardless if Skynet CAN send back another terminator, there is no reason it should.
If it didn't send them at the same time (which above I pointed out would be ridiculously stupid if it did) then by the time it would have sent the second one -again- Skynet would've been aware that the timeline didn't change for it.
If sending the first Terminator would have had any effect on the Timeline, then Skynet wouldn't be there anymore to send a second one. It would be a different Skynet, who sent a different first Terminator, with a different set of instructions, which Terminator's sending would have created a third iteration of the whole thing, and it would've gone on until either Skynet gets exactly what it wants (not being forced into a corner) or Skynet never exists to begin with, and so no time travel ever occurs
This clearly didn't happen in the movies, so again, timeline doesn't change, a new one pops up.
Skynet failed at saving itself.
It can't save itself using time travel.
There's no reason why it should bother after that.
>>71298610
Lol I saw a tard the other day with a jumper that said 'Keep Calm, It's Only an Extra Chromosome'
>>71292602
expendables
>>71292411
it's called palewave
>>71298719
>all Skynet knows about John's mother is her first and last name and that she lived in Los Angeles
>this somehow implies they knew nothing about where John grew up
Try again. As soon as T-1000 arrives he accesses a cop's computer to find out where John Connor lives. They had to know it was Los Angeles though.
But yes, this is why the movies don't focus on these logistics too much. They're more about the stories in the "present," the future war is just background. If you think too hard about T2 it's clear Cameron wasn't planning the sequel when he made T1.
>>71296363
Hmm, weird to think about but yeah I can see your points. For Comic books, I seem to find myself saying that Civil War is a pretty great CBM, while something like Days of Future Past is a great movie all around.
It's not really something I like to think about though, I still just try to judge on a movie-by-movie basis.
>>71298908
adding to this:
>T1 clearly states it's May 1984 when John is conceived
>T2 computer shows his DOB as Feb 1985, which makes sense
>Judgment Day is Aug 1997, when John will be 12
>Terminator tells Sarah that Skynet goes online in "3 years time"
>T3 says John was 13 when he met the Terminator
>Edward Furlong was 13 when filming T2
>he sure as hell wasn't playing a 9 year old
Where can I buy a pair of the T1 sunglasses?
>>71298908
Well yeah, that's really just my point here.
T2 makes no real sense, which is why (while I don't think it's bad) T1 is better in my opinion.
It's got the action, the heart and also makes sense within the rules it sets up for itself.
T2, no matter how good has a sense of being a cash in thanks to not bothering to make sense in context to itself and its predecessor.
>>71296340
Shouldn't the T-1000 realistically be able to run as fast as he wants to? He's not limited by human constraints.
>>71296399
I would give anything to watch terminator for the first time again.
>>71296340
I remember seeing a behind-the-scenes/documentary thing where they said they actually had to tell him to run slower, because in the first few takes he kept catching John on the bike and scaring the shit out of Edward.
>>71299682
Why not morph into a quadraped and run at 90mps.
This meme was made by someone who never listened to based Jims commentary
>>71299930
I watched T1 in the cinema along with Genisys, after only having seen it when it was on telly, where I never really focused because of the commercial breaks and channel-surfing inherent in commercial tv. It was great, and the first time it really hit me that it's a sci-fi slasher instead of an action movie. I guess my liking of Genisys was coloured by the viewing as well, because I don't dislike it anywhere near as much as everyone else.
Kind of made me want to watch horror classics at the cinema as well.
>>71300104
The level of backhanded remarks and outright shit talking make all of his commentaries worth watching.
what the FUCK was his problem?
>>71300349
gambling addiction
>>71296561
>Basically, time travel creates a new timeline when you travel in time.
Why can't time travel just deposit the time traveler in the same timeline while leaving that timeline malleable? Why does it need to be a wholly separate time line?
>>71302088
Because paradox.
If you kill your grandfather in your "malleable" time travel then what happens to you?
>>71302994
Nothing, because you're already back in time.
Too many people forget that this is an equally valid answer, because time travel is entirely hypothetical.
>>71303289
but your malleable timeline is one that changes, so if you kill your grandfather your cease to exist. This is temporal mechanics 101.
>T1
Baaically only an extended chase scene with virtually no plot or character development; mediocre production
>T2
Well developed movie with easily recognisable plot, character development; GOAT production
>>71292840
>hes a genuinely nice guy.
shit I read on /tv/ 101
>>71296369
>Seriously he never should have gotten that jaw correction
pix?
>>71292602
1st expendables. His new stuff isn't bad. Last Stand is bretty gud
The first Terminator is just overall far better written than any other movie in the franchise.
>the clever way they weave exposition about the future into the main story
>even managing to contribute to Reese's character and make him seem crazy as they explain how time travel and the terminator work
I love shit like this.
just watched genisys
what the fuck were they thinking?
>>71295750
>Sarah is a typical damsel in distress
"You're terminated, fucker!"
the second terminator wore shades because John Conner in the future programmed him to...because thats how he remembered him as a kid...because he programmed him in the future to wear them...to meet himself in the past and leave that impression on him
>>71304443
We want that burger king money.
>>71292383
>he doesn't wear his sunglasses at night to keep track of the visions in his eyes
I bet you masquerade on the guy in shades as well
>>71304598
>>71304443
Genisys was good. It was like a big nostalgia fest,a just don't take it too seriously. John Connor was the bad guy in it. It was just making fun of the whole series but in a nice way.
>>71303816
No you don't. Because you exist in the present now. How you got there is immaterial. Only the future is now unwritten. It's the equivalent of taping over part of a video.
>>71304891
/thread
>>71305000
So causality ceases to exist?
>>71305280
Within the context of a single person within the existing timeline, yes. Or did you think magical time travel that inexplicably can only transport living, organic tissue operated differently?
