Kids are asleep. It's LOTR time.
>tfw you never live in The Shire
I would've liked to had lived in Rohan, but Hobbiton would've been nice too.
>>71242993
post theme music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om_BKWttz18
will they ever release a fixed version of the ee blu ray of fellowship? as it is now, the colors are fucked up to the max
>>71242935
lotr/Tolkien threads are always welcome.
Like a cool breeze on a warm day.
>You'll never go exploring across unknown wilderness with your bro smoking dank weed and visiting village inns and drinking with locals
>>71242993
Hobbiton seems more low-key. I'm pretty sure 99% of jobs in Hobbiton are farmers/merchants. In Rohan you could at least be a blacksmith or work with horses or a soldier.
>>71242935
>tfw even if the shire was real you couldn't live there because you're not a manlet
>>71243024
das it mane, good stuff
>>71243035
You mean the blue filter? Yeah, it's definitely fucking retarded.
>>71243060
well you could but you might develop some back and neck issues
>>71243078
yea there's some way to rip the blu ray and fuck with it on your computer but i'm not good at doing those kinds of things
can any kind anon tell me is there a decent torrent of a color corrected version that's at least 10 gb?
>>71243024
>Eowyn runs away from Wormtongue
>runs outside onto the steps of the hall
>this starts playing
>Rohan's flag is ripped from it's pole and goes flying into the wind
Pure kino.
>>71243038
>You will never smoke casks of weed and drink pints of ale in the flooded ruins of Isengard
just cast me right in the fire
>>71243162
>ruins of Isengard
Felt really comfy for some reason
>>71243145
I read somewhere the flag rip was not planned and they just kept it because it was cool
>tfw you've George Lucas'd your legacy
>>71243249
either way it's a great visual metaphor, and really sets the tone for the confrontation inside the throne room.
But it would be interesting if it was actually accidental
>>71243145
>>71243249
Thousands of cavalry. Ruled by a "city" with a population under 200.
>>71243306
for some reason I heard the Curb Your Enthusiasm theme when I watched this webm
>>71243328
It's called feudalism bro. A bunch of lords pledge loyalty to the king, and then in times of war they show up. Especially since it is in all of their common interest to protect their land
Actually, I kinda did. I live five minutes walk from Moseley Bog where Tolkien spent time as a kid imagining the world. It's a nice place (despite the name) to walk the dogs but it's also just got this very special feeling, I can understand why he was inspired by it.
>>71243400
Those lords probably have bigger houses than the king. Edoras looks more like some frontier hillfort than the capitol of a kingdom.
>>71242935
I swear, one of these days I'm gonna fly to NZ and go to the set and take a nap on top of Bag End under the huge tree
>>71243470
>What is the house of Rohan but a thatched barn where brigands drink in the reek and rats roll on the floor with the dogs? The victory at Helm's Deep does not belong to you, Théoden, horsemaster! You are a lesser son of greater sires
>>71243470
‘Gibbets and crows!’ he hissed, and they shuddered at the hideous change. ‘Dotard! What is the house of Eorl but a thatched barn where brigands drink in the reek, and their brats roll on the floor among the dogs? Too long have they escaped the gibbet themselves. But the noose comes, slow in the drawing, tight and hard in the end. Hang if you will!’
>Saruman says this to Theoden as an insult
>In the movie depiction it's fairly accurate
Bravo Jackson
>>71243539
wtf i hate wizards now
>>71243306
The LOTR trilogy is still a masterpiece. Nothing can change that.
Does The Hobbit trilogy fucking suck? Yes. But, it doesn't diminish the GOAT trilogy.
Baruk Khazâd. Khazâd ai-mênu!
>>71243411
What's it like?
What the fuck was his problem?
>>71243611
He was a degenerate
>>71243611
>all has turned to vain ambition, he would even use his grief as a cloak!
>>71243611
He was gay for his son. Why else would he lube up?
>>71243611
Honestly Denethor is a pretty complex character. He is a huge dick, especially to Faramir, but he essentially sees his legacy being destroyed right in front of him. His family has ruled Gondor for generations and deep down he fears being supplanted by Aragorn.
Boromir was his eldest and his heir, and he gets killed. In the books Faramir is essentially a student of Gandalf, and Denethor probably feels some paternal jealousy, and sees Faramir as soft for not being as great of a warrior as Boromir.
Then to top it off Sauron has been using a Palantir to corrupt his mind. He basically convinces him that he needs the One Ring in order to withstand Sauron's invasion. His mistake is not understanding that Sauron is manipulating him, an just wants the Ring to get into Denethor's hands because it will destroy him and make it easier for Sauron to get it back
>>71243776
JRR Tolkien was the master of his own fan fiction.Thank God we got his son to fill us in on all the minor plot points that weren't covered.
>>71243886
>his own fan fiction
His own ideas are fanfiction?
>>71243886
The palantir stuff was explained in the book.
>>71243886
All of that stuff is in Return of the King
>>71243038
is there anything known about what the blue wizards did far east? always found it odd tolkien expanded on all the Istari except those two.
>>71242935
Actually I do (Matamata), and it's really not worth it. It's a quiet, deadbeat Kiwi Rural Town. Exactly like the Shire.
>>71243249
Where they filmed it is one of the windiest places in NZ. It's so windy it blew away Peter Jackson's glasses. He had to squint the entire time he was filming there.
>>71243495
Good luck. The Security there is better than our Prime Minister gets.
>>71243222
the whole trilogy was comfy as fuck
i could watch it for the twelfth fucking time and it would be comfy
>>71243611
They fuck him up in the movie
>>71244804
I'm sure it's quiet and the nature is nice, but it probably lacks all the charm. It's the inhabitants that make a place worth living in.
>>71243060
>live in Bree
>man sized everything
>plenty of opportunity for work
>Shire is close enough to take a horse over and enjoy their ales, hobbit wimminz and glorious woodland
Best of both worlds, desu.
>>71244856
You'd be completely right. No charm there. Most of the inhabitants are used to fleecing tourists for money.
>>71244804
>Matamata
what a garbage name for such a nice place.
>>71244781
I think they went East to do some type of covert stuff against Sauron's allies/influence.
>>71242935
Will any movie ever come close to the amazing use of practical effects in this movie?
Is it even possible for any fantasy movie to ever come close to this wonderful adaptation of the grandfather of modern fantasy?
>>71245026
This map is terrible
>>71245073
All the maps outside of the ones that only show ME are terrible
>>71242935
So LotR still has dragons right? They just hang out in some uninhabited region and dont fuck with anything outside of it?
>>71245093
Grey Mountains are infested with Cold Drakes.
>>71245139
They are flightless though, aren't they?
>>71243611
He was a Game of Thrones character in the wrong setting
>>71245156
Yes.
>>71245026
>numenor is literraly a star shaped island
BRAVO TOLKIEN!
>>71245192
Well it was made by the gods as a reward for mankind so why not?
>>71245214
I think he's making a Star of David reference.
Because when one thinks of a race that uses steel longbows they think of Jews
>>71243306
even the sets on the hobbit looked like shit. what a travesty
>>71245231
But the dwarves are the jews
>>71245026
>>71245082
>that perfectly square mountain range around Mordor
0/10 wouldn't run a campaign in
>>71245082
these maps evoke such a desire for adventure in me
>>71244781
They went east to sabotage Sauron's plans there.
According to Tolkien's notes they did such a good job that if they hadn't been there Sauron would have just flooded ME in bodies and the heroes would have lost even if Sam and Frodo succeeded.
>>71245258
Run a campaign as a barbarian since clearly you wouldn't be playing a character with intelligence
>>71245258
Sauron Himself rose those. They're not natural.
>>71245258
It's supposed to be a craggy plateau, there's just no good way to get that across on a map without it looking like a Super Mario World zone.
If I ever become super rich I'll fund a miniseries about the downfall of numenor, with viggo mortensen as Elendil
>>71243611
He presented himself to Sauron through a Palantir and went mad
>>71242935
>tfw you'll never lay with a qt elf in the evergreen grass of the shire
just shoot me
>>71245929
>Orlando Bloom did
>>71243162
Its tobacco you dumb piece of shit.
>>71246021
it's actually pipe-weed you fucking half-wit
>>71246325
In the prologue to The Lord of the Rings, Tolkien stated specifically that "it is a strain of the herb nicotiana",[2] i.e. tobacco
>>71246462
This senpai
>>71246462
Strain of dank shire weed
>>71246519
kys fucking useless degenerate
>>71243038
>>71242935
man i just want to live in a place like that, calm and peaceful landscapes, i don't even care if i become segregated
![lord-of-the-rings-lcg[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Plo2b6W.jpg "lord-of-the-rings-lcg[1].jpg")
The card game captures the lotr feeling really well, would recommend
>>71246705
The trading card game is better I think
![IMG_1130_export[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/zvGLefh.jpg "IMG_1130_export[1].jpg")
>>71247018
Never played, but then I got the lcg for playing solo.
War Of The Ring is fantastic too but its a big deal to get someone out to play at times.
The confrontation is brilliant being so simple to set up and play.
>>71244930
>hobbit wimminz
no no no no
>>71247484
I'd bang Rosie Cotton. Once she had a taste of full size dick she could never be satisfied with Sam
I no joke live 30 mins from the shire, i worked there once too
>>71246705
>>71247018
>>71247097
>not playing the goat strategy battle game
>>71247543
pics
>>71247543
does it kill the fantasy to go there? seeing it in real life can never live up to it I imagine
It is pretty much exactly like it is in the film, all the props and buildings are still there in full. Im sure visiting it for the first time is pretty cool, but you soon realize its just a massive tourist trap with a HUGE giftshop , but the 400 japanese tourists a day still liked it.
Its pretty beautiful, growing up in the area however you kinda get used to that sort of landscape.
>>71247484
>hobbit women shave their legs
>don't shave their feet
>>71243038
I bet if Peter Jackson or smbd in hollywood would lay their dirty cuckhands on their story of those two they would turn one of the wizard female or make them gay couple. God I hate modern cinema.
>>71244018
I think they meant he's too vague on some points, to the point of bad writing, and therefore is basically asking for fanfiction. I think this isright.
>>71247484
>a hobbit babe will never bring you to climax with her size 15s
i feel so... defeated... like its all for nothing
>>71245231
More like a Soviet star. Looks like Tolkien hated Soviets as well as Hitler.
>>71245067
No it was truly the original Star wars trilogy of the generation what do they have now? Nothing
>>71243539
They couldnt have a cast a better Sauruman.
>be kid
>enjoy nature
>decide to go cycling on a whim even though the mother never allows me to leave the street I'm on
>cycling around, a beautiful summer just doing whatever
>come across a bunch of chavs sitting on a fence drinking
>"ANON YOU DEMENTED TWAT"
>feel like an idiot and a lamer for enjoying life
>cycle back
>never do it again
Call me a nuright /pol/tard, but I kind of wish we lived in a society where plebs were terrified, meek and humble.
>>71248397
You are pathetic
>>71247536
ELF'D
>>71248391
they couldn't have cast a better anything
even extremely minor characters (as far as runtime goes) like Isildur and Elentil were 100% percect
>>71248397
The autism is real
>>71248484
>they couldn't have cast a better anything
>Legolas
He had the look, but Orlando Bloom's acting is the one bad smell in the LoTR trilogy.
>>71248529
>>71248553
Feanor did nothing wrong
>>71248553
>>71248397
>where plebs were terrified, meek and humble.
Isn't that what you just described?
Did Bilbo or Frodo ever work or were they just so rich they didn't have to?
>>71248578
>>71248530
yea I guess you're right
legolas was a bit off in general, too comedic and too cringey when he tried to be serious
bloom only worked because he kinda clicked with the other two
>>71248595
>>71248610
>Ruling is hard. This was maybe my answer to Tolkien, whom, as much as I admire him, I do quibble with. Lord of the Rings had a very medieval philosophy: that if the king was a good man, the land would prosper. We look at real history and it’s not that simple. Tolkien can say that Aragorn became king and reigned for a hundred years, and he was wise and good. But Tolkien doesn’t ask the question: What was Aragorn’s tax policy? Did he maintain a standing army? What did he do in times of flood and famine? And what about all these orcs? By the end of the war, Sauron is gone but all of the orcs aren’t gone – they’re in the mountains. Did Aragorn pursue a policy of systematic genocide and kill them? Even the little baby orcs, in their little orc cradles?
>The war that Tolkien wrote about was a war for the fate of civilization and the future of humanity, and that’s become the template. I’m not sure that it’s a good template, though. The Tolkien model led generations of fantasy writers to produce these endless series of dark lords and their evil minions who are all very ugly and wear black clothes. But the vast majority of wars throughout history are not like that.
>>71248627
>>71242935
only the first one is good the rest are overrated for nostalgia, the series has aged terrobly
FOTR 10/10
TTT 6.5/10
ROTK 4/10
Adaptation when?
>>71248653
>>71248645
>And what about all these orcs? By the end of the war, Sauron is gone but all of the orcs aren’t gone – they’re in the mountains. Did Aragorn pursue a policy of systematic genocide and kill them? Even the little baby orcs, in their little orc cradles?
It's like he hasn't even read Tolkien
>>71248667
Only if the guy who made Valhalla Rising makes it
>>71248645
*tips fedora*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im5CIpMFo4Q
>>71248453
>>71248493
>it is a crime to go out cycling and enjoy life
What would you say to Frodo if you saw him reading under a tree? "Frodo you fucking autistic nerd"? What motivates people to do this? To decide to inflict suffering on others?
Maybe I should have been more thick skinned and not let them get to me, but that doesn't mean I should be tolerant.
>>71243038
>You'll never go exploring across unknown wilderness with your bro smoking dank weed and visiting village inns and drinking with locals.
Why not? Its not that difficult to do.
>>71248674
>>71248737
literal autism
>>71248653
Ted Nasmith really nailed the fairytale aspect of Tolkien landscapes. Too bad the character design kinda suck.
>>71248698
>Refnautism
>>71243222
>that deleted death scene of Saruman
Glad they cut that out. Would've preferred the sharkey plo-tline though.
>>71248586
They weren't terrified, meek and humble as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ9NOV3KNpY
Is it strange that the most impactfull scene from the three Hobbit movies came from the tacked on romance? Maybe i'm just a suck for Howard Shore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeJFZ48oRRA
>>71242993
Not Edoras
Pleb
>>71243575
Thankfully there's enough good content in the Hobbit trilogy to make a solid 3 hour cut that follows the book
>>71248750
why is it autistic to go out cycling and enjoy life
>>71248530
I disagree, I think he made a decent elf. The stiffness fit the role better than anything else he's done.
The one bad smell was every attempt(and they were plentiful) to turn it into an action movie, which is one of the reasons it can never be considered a faithful adaptation.t. Christopher
>>71248595
I automatically thought of the Elvish name for the battle. Is it autism?
>>71248667
Hopefully never. I don't have faith in anyone doing it justice. Not that there aren't any directors who could pull it off, just that it's extremely unlikely it would end up in the hands of one of these directors.
>>71248645
>not
>worth
>doing
BTFO'd by Tolkien decades prior to this
>>71248627
>>71248674
>>71248746
I love these, hadn't seen them before.
Do keep posting.
>>71248678
A sub-par writer isn't well read. Imagine that.
>>71243328
>Anon doesn't understand how capital cities work.
>>71248653
what place is that?
>>71248779
You were, however.
>>71248737
I have no problem with someone enjoying a ride on a bicycle. My problem was with you being a complete and utter pussy about it and never again allowing yourself the pleasure because you're scared of teenagers in tracksuit bottoms.
>>71248746
Love it, almost completely untouched by SJW influence. Only the I am no man line in the entire series.
>>71248869
>>71243611
He was depressed.
>>71248788
>impactful
If you mean getting genuinely angry and feeling a strong urge to leave the theater, sure.
>>71248887
>>71248872
Pleb
>But Théoden was not utterly forsaken. The knights of his house lay slain about him, or else mastered by the madness of their steeds were borne far away. Yet one stood there still: Dernhelm the young, faithful beyond fear; and he wept, for he had loved his lord as a father. Right through the charge Merry had been borne unharmed behind him, until the Shadow came; and then Windfola had thrown them in his terror, and now ran wild upon the plain. Merry crawled on all fours like a dazed beast, and such a horror was on him that he was blind and sick.
‘King’s man! King’s man!’ his heart cried within him. ‘You must stay by him. As a father you shall be to me, you said.’ But his will made no answer, and his body shook. He dared not open his eyes or look up.
Then out of the blackness in his mind he thought that he heard Dernhelm speaking; yet now the voice seemed strange, recalling some other voice that he had known.
‘Begone, foul dwimmerlaik, lord of carrion! Leave the dead in peace!’
A cold voice answered: ‘Come not between the Nazgûl and his prey! Or he will not slay thee in thy turn. He will bear thee away to the houses of lamentation, beyond all darkness, where thy flesh shall be devoured, and thy shrivelled mind be left naked to the Lidless Eye.’
A sword rang as it was drawn. ‘Do what you will; but I will hinder it, if I may.’
‘Hinder me? Thou fool. No living man may hinder me!’
Then Merry heard of all sounds in that hour the strangest. It seemed that Dernhelm laughed, and the clear voice was like the ring of steel. ‘But no living man am I! You look upon a woman. Éowyn I am, Éomund’s daughter. You stand between me and my lord and kin. Begone, if you be not deathless! For living or dark undead, I will smite you, if you touch him.’
The winged creature screamed at her, but the Ringwraith made no answer, and was silent, as if in sudden doubt.
>>71243306
Imagine if the lotr was being made at this time now?
>merry and pippin are black
>legolas is female
>gimli and legolas get together (interracial relationships)
>boromir is an evil white male that doesnt redeem himself at amon hen
>rohirrim are now oriental race
>orcs are portrayed as white, with blue eyes and fair hair
>sauron is a white male rather than a red eye
>frodo and sam are gay but dont really display any affection towards one another until they destroy the ring and kiss each other on top of the rock surrounded by lava
>>71248796
Its not you fucking retard. People are calling you autistic because you stopped doing that because some people made fun of you
>>71248912
>>71248872
Maybe your perception has been tainted by how things are today, because that line doesn't have a shred of SJW in it.
>>71248887
What is that an illustration of?
>>71248934
>>71248872
One of the most liberal fantasy movies out there
>>71248645
I really hope he dies before he can write the last book.
>>71249000
>>71248872
pls dont turn this into a political discussion
>>71249000
Only in terms of anti industrialisation. Certainly not socially liberal.
>>71248944
This.
>>71249016
there's no way he'll survive long enough to finish ASoIaF
at best he'll live to see the release of winds of winter
>>71248645
Trust a fat hack like GRRM to completely miss the point of what Tolkien wrote.
>>71248919
>gimli and legolas get together (interracial relationships)
Gee, it's not like interracial relationships are already present and glorified both in LoTR and Silmarillion
>What is Beren and Luthien
>What is Luthien's mom (angel, ffs) and her elf squeeze
>What is Aragorn and Arwen
>What is Galadriel's ancestry (angel-elf half-breeds as well)
Threadly reminder that Tolkien supports cucking and racemixing, and so does everyone, who supports these characters.
>>71248530
To be fair he didn't really have much to work with
>>71248678
What did he do about the Orcs?
>>71248955
I believe it's Dain II Ironfoot chasing after Azog in the Battle of Azanulbizar.
Azog had just lost the battle and wanted to flee back into Moria, but Dain II the absolute madman ran after him and chopped his head off (avenging his father Náin's death by Azog's hand earlier in the battle).
>>71249158
That makes sense, thanks. The figure looks oddly similar to the dwarves though.
>>71249112
I like the ASOIAF books not nearly as much as Tolkein's works. GRRM has already been cucked out of his ending and main plot points by the shitty show and I bet once it is finished no one will give a damn about the books sadly. I wonder how it must feel having your life's main work get finished by two bad TV writers.
>>71249122
all are those are between elfs and men not dwarfs and elfs
I have to ask what the fuck are hobbits doing for a living, are they all on welfare because when you read the book it seems like they didn't become productive until Lord Sauroman decided to industrialize the region.
https://youtu.be/-PcUnqlPA8A?t=72
>>71248919
>>71249214
Still interracial. FYI, angel/creature is considered extremely sinful and blasphemous in the Bible. And Tolkien (as well as many of his fans) still postitions himself as a Christian moralfag, and yet he glorifies this kind of shit. Giant hypocrisy.
>>71249235
>they didn't become productive
Productive as in excess production to sell and acquire profit?
They farm their food, they brew their ale, they build their houses and they dont work more than they have to because they dont value wealth
What is so hard to understand
>>71249235
This is literal Mordor tier thinking.
They farmed and did odd jobs like gardening and working in the pub.
>>71249156
He slaughtered them as much as he possibly could.
he freed all the human slaves of Sauron and let them have all the land around the sea of Nurn
>>71248872
>Only the I am no man line in the entire series
Kill yourself.
>>71249240
You know what always bothered me in the movies? Visible stubble on the elves' faces. I'm fairly certain Tolkien's elves can't grow facial hair(I could be wrong, I know there's some fan-art with bearded elves). Would it really be so hard to apply a bit of makeup and make the actors' faces look smooth?
>>71249322
So genocide.
>>71249348
Cirdan the Shipwright has a beard in the books, although he doesn't in the movies. So elves can grow beards, but since none of the elves in the movies have them I agree they should have been better about the stubble. Same for Hobbits.
>>71249355
Yeah. So? The orcs were litterally all evil because they were driven by the thoughts of / created by Melkor.
>>71249348
Only very very old elves (In their third life cycle.) Cirdan for example had a beard
>>71248919
How did we end up like this?
>>71249348
>Tolkien's elves can't grow facial hair
I would hate to be an elf desu
>>71249289
But according to the Bible, that's how many early humans were conceived (this is extremely arguable, as it may or may not be angels the passage is referring to).
>extremely sinful and blasphemous
Where are you pulling this shit from, anyway? I bet you've never read the Bible.
>>71249395
>In their third life cycle
wat?
>>71249388
>>71249395
Ah, that does ring a bell.
The young elves should not have a beard in any case.
>>71249476
While the three cycles are not specifically defined, the first cycle is likely childhood and adolescence, which ended at the 100th year, the second is adulthood which could continue for Ages, and the third is for extremely old Elves; Círdan was the most ancient known Elf in Middle-earth. However, Elves, who were not ancient, could enter the third stage sooner due to tragic life events. When Lúthien wilfully released her spirit to follow Beren, her father saw her die, and "a winter, as it were the hoar age of mortal Men, fell upon Thingol."[10]
>>71249505
>>71249519
>Elves had no beards, at least until their "third cycle of life", like Círdan. Mahtan was an exception, and had a beard in his early "second cycle".[12]:9 The Elvish beardlessness could also be observed in Mannish lines with an Elvish strain (as in the princely house of Dol Amroth), which lacked beards.[13]
>>71249474
>that's how many early humans were conceived
>it may or may not be angels the passage is referring to
So basically no proof it's angels.
And anyway it's not glorified.
>I bet you've never read the Bible
No, clearly it's you who hasn't. It's somewhare in the beginning, but I forgot where. But it definitely is there. When everything remotely resembling an angel or a supernatural being and a human breed, it's implied this is a bad thing and the progeny is doomed. Also antichrist is supposed to be such a half-breed, so, really, enough said.
>>71249584
You're writing fanfiction of the Bible. Are you a Mormon, by any chance?
>>71249426
>t. ugly bearded manchild hipster
Please selfexterminate your kind.
>>71249624
So now it's only hipsters who grow beards? You're just as bad as them.
>>71249395
>The orcs were literally all evil because they were driven by the thoughts of Morgoth.
Do you not see the circular logic of this.
>>71249654
What are you even trying to say
>>71249624
Only people not allowed to grow beards are corposlaves and firefighters
I really hope you are a firefighter
>>71249640
As who? I shave erryday.
Beards are for oldfarts. Stop pretending its cool be a civilisided smart man - shave your fucking stupid head already.
>>71249699
>>71249703
Litterally who cares either way
>>71249614
>no arguments
>ad hominems
>only circlejerking, no discussion allowed
This is why curent Tolkien's fanbase is garbage and should move on already. The age of LOTR is over - as shitty a hack as he is, Martin is right.
>>71249308
>farming
>producing undervalued goods
>lives like kings
Nah m8 they are on the dole from Gondor
>>71249297
>they don't value wealth
If I remember correctly they are really into nice clothing and good food something they do not produce. In other words, they have to produce shit tons of their undervalued agricultural wares to trade for silks, spices, wine, and other goods from the east so they can live their NEET lifestyles
.
Where is the military to protect them from good old capitalists like Sauroman and Orcs btw?
>>71249654
There's no circular logic there. You're trying to apply human qualities to a race that has none. Thinking of them as robots would be much more accurate than projecting your values and morality onto creatures that have none.
>>71249691
>>71249395
Whose thoughts were orcs driven by when Morgorth and Sauron both kicked the bucket?
>>71249803
Their core being doesn't go away when their master leaves. They're not literally posessed by Morgoth like living puppets. Nobody implied anything like that.
>>71249840
That's not the image I meant to post, kek.
>>71248645
Tokien expirienced horrors on World War 1, it's entirely understandable that he didn't wanted to bother with any more grimdark. Martin expirienced being a fat, lazy hippie.
>>71249779
>literally making their own shit
>NEET lifestyles
>something they do not produce
Says who?
Also "in those times" transit trading was a big thing so this good be something else they were doing given their location
>Where is the military
They had a militia although rarely used it
The have pulled off military victories against goblins
>>71248397
One day anon, ignore those other retards, they sound like they fap to ponies
>>71249840
>>71249803
>>71249803
Also Morgoth and Sauron are not dead. They are simply banished to the void
>>71249614
He's talking about the Nephilim and Anakim in the Book of Enoch. They're in Genisis as well but just says they were 'Mighty men of old'. Basically refering to heroes polytheist cultures would call demigods, like Hercules or Gilgamesh.
Book of Enoch demonizes them though (They cause a famine and then become cannibals, which isn't exactly uncommon in real life famines anyway), along with science and general human development and thought.
>>71248919
I don't think it would've been that bad, but the trilogy was definitely made at the ideal time. It was late enough for the technology allowing them to make the movie in the scale they wanted, but before people got too lazy with overuse of CGI and the rise of the general pc culture.
1st/2nd age movie when?
War of Wrath would be a 'cool' CG fest
>>71249691
That nothing Marten said was incorrect.
>>71249781
>your applying human qualities to a race that has none
No I'm not.
And even if I was, that doesn't refute your circular logic.
Whether or not they are sentient is irrelivent to your use of fallacies
>Projecting your values and morality onto creatures that have none
You have no idea what my values and morality is. Your projecting expectations onto me.
>>71249940
What void?
It's only Morgoth that was imprisoned.
Sauron was destroyed completely.
>>71248645
>muh gritty realism
what a fucking hack
>>71249355
>genocide against literally soulless husks whose only goal is to destroy everything good and nice
>>71250316
>That nothing Marten said was incorrect.
Well the point he was making was that Tolkiens works do not adress the matter. Which they do.
>>71248645
>complaints Tolkien didn't describe the economic system of Middle-Earth properly
>creates a """realistic"""" world where nothing makes sense
Brava gurm you fat faggot
>>71250458
>orcs were original elves
>soulless husks
>>71250482
They are a genocidal race that will do wore against itself out of petty or mindless things. What, should Elendil broker a treaty or something?
>>71250500
war*
WTF autocorrect
>>71248645
>gives his opinion on a writer
>"woow fat fuck how does he dare to have an opinion on a writer much better than himself"
Loving the autism.
>>71250526
/got/ isn't here kiddo.
How do orcs even reproduce?
Is it like in Warhammer where they are literally mushrooms?
>>71250566
I wouldn't know, /got/ hates GRRM too.
>>71250466
No he wasn't, the questions were clearly rhetoric not query.
>>71250578
pretty sure tolkien said they reproduce like humans
>>71242935
>Kids asleep
>11:45AM
>>71250500
I hope you see the irony in what you just said.
>>71250699
Then why are you even bringing it up. Like if you dont want the answers to the questions what is the point?
>>71250718
Where were the female orcs then?
>>71250740
>irony
Oh how ironic it is that you have to kill all the hills have eyes madmen trying to cannibalize your doaughter right?
>>71250754
>Like if you dont want the answers to the questions what is the point?
How can you miss the point of something this badly and still try to come off as a smart person?
>>71250754
To make you see how retarded you are.
>>71250770
yep
>>71250802
>and still try to come off as a smart person?
What did he mean with this?
>>71245082
Objectively wrong
>>71250770
in the breeding pits
>>71250865
>Dark Land
>(South Land)
Real subtle.
>>71250791
Punishment does not precede the crime.
And I thought you were arguing they weren't sentient in the first place. Why hold them to human levels of responsibility?
Also you're not very good at typing are you?
>>71248645
>Little orc cradles
They were tortured elves if I remember correctly?
>>71250845
Yeah I know, what sort of person trying to look smart starts sentences with 'like'? Kek.
>>71250926
>implying it's not a justified parallel
>>71250962
Tortured through breeding. Very harsh eugenics basically, Morgoth had some elf slaves doing hard labor and bred the most useful slaves and eventually got orcs.
Though that's just one origin story.
>>71251110
Yeah i'm pretty sure you got it right there.
>>71243035
>people going on about the fucked up colors
I have the blu-ray and I've never noticed that. Sounds to me like this fucked up color meme is all bollocks.
He wasnt destroyed completely, he just permanently lost the ability to take a physical form
>"If [the Ring] it is destroyed, then he will fall, and his fall will be so low that none can foresee his arising ever again. For he will lose the best part of the strength that was native to him in his beginning, and all that was made or begun with that power will crumble, and he will be maimed for ever, becoming a mere spirit of malice that gnaws itself in the shadows, but cannot again grow or take shape. And so a great evil of this world will be removed."
>>71251196
nah watch the ee blursy and the ee dvd
in fact just google the difference
>>71250770
In the few settlements they had. We only saw the military side of Orc society. They were evil fucks but they had some semblance of civilization. Just a very crude, primitve and violent one.
>>71243611
His wife cucked him with an orc.
>>71251231
Meant for >>71250356
>>71251258
We saw Goblin Town
>>71250947
>punishment does not precede the crime
The crime that wasn't waging war for more than a thousand years with the intention of wiping out the humans right?
You fag
>>71251343
Again, no irony.
Kek, this is too easy anon.
>>71250718
orcs are made in brood pits or whatever, they aren't born. and they don't make females, or can't or something
they showed this in the movies when saruman made his general for the white hand. they cut him out of a greasy membrane fully grown
>>71251430
t. Moral relativistfaggot
>>71251471
That was just a giant orcess cunt.
>>71250990
>Yeah I know, what sort of person trying to look smart starts sentences with 'like'? Kek.
Litterally what did he mean by this?
>>71251471
Aren't Uruk Hais just a specific artificial breed of orcs?
>>71242935
Post yfw you'll never live in an all white village full of lush green grass as far as the eye can see...
