Why don't we see practical effects of this quality any more? You'd think with modern technology, we'd be able to see a lot of quality messed-up shit. And yet, it's all CGI - and not even good-looking CGI.
>>71231170
It looks fake.
>>71231170
costs more money
it looks fake.
>>71231198
>>71231242
As opposed to realer then real life CG? Give me a break. Practical effects in this day and age would look amazing, I bet.
>>71231203
Yeah, but what about muh artistic vision and creative integrity? Is every director a sell-out? I can't believe it.
>>71231285
>is every director a sell-out?
No, but most producers are.
>>71231170
because producers want shit on time. with practical effects you have to wait for the stuff to be made, tested, fine tuned. then placed on set, then camera tested and if something goes wrong it holds up production until its fixed, which can cost studios lots of money. then it may not even look as good as they hoped and then everything has to be scrapped and either done over again or whatever, which can again cost dones of money and push dates back and fuck schedules up.
CGI is you film in then worry about shit later. To the producers and fat cats who are signing checks and who only care about dates and deadlines and budget, they dont give a shit how it looks, because thats not their job.
movies are shit today because people dont have to be as careful. Same goes for Digital vs Film. Film you had to worry about running out of reel, with digital it doesnt matter.
This shit is all common sense.
>>71231170
people would rather have a jerky CGI puppet than an animatronic puppet with jerky movement.
I'm not sure why
>>71231170
Brundle's head bursting open is actually the worst SFX shot in the movie.
if he was the protagonist how is the fly a horror movie?
>>71231437
>if the protagonist undergoes a horrifying transformation then how is this a horror movie
wut
>>71231373
I was hoping there was a more interesting reason for that besides "le greed".
I just think that all that hard work pays in the end. Movies like The Thing are still considered classics, and the practical effects, while wonky by today's standards, still look good - especially if you know what went into making them.
>>71231378
Yeah, interesting. Reminds me of the whole Yoda in Ep1 situation.
>>71231401
Seen plenty of worse, and I'm not even much of a movie buff.
>>71231437
What exactly are you implying? That protagonists can't be the monsters in horror games? That they can't get something scary happen to them personally? Your definition of horror is pretty narrow, it seems.
>>71231525
>>71231533
i don't know i hate horror and never seen this movie lol.
i saw like 3minutes as a kid and i noped the fuck out.
>>71231585
Yeah I saw it when I was like 9 and I couldn't sleep for like two days. I was a widdle scawdy baybee.
>>71231170
I really need to rewatch the fly.
>>71231647
Rewatched it today, together with the sequel.
The Fly is just as good as I remembered it, and The Fly II wasn't as horrible.
There's also a comic book sequel to The Fly II. Will read it tomorrow.
>>71231713
Lets do dis.
>>71231310
And execs who greenlight productions.
Which is why we never see HK-Jackie Chan-tier fight scenes in Hollywood ever
>>71231728
Kek, it's the exact same torrent I got.
>the fly is actually about racemixing
>brundlefly actually says, I'll be more human if I combine brundlefly with another human
>accidentally a machine
>>71231437
>>71231585
look at this pussy
>>71231743
>Wheels On Meals
Fuck me that film is amazing.
The sequel did a much worse job with the transformation stages, tho.
>ywn be fused with jeff goldblum
why bother living
>>71231876
Felt like they poured all their effort into the kill gore effects.
>that acid face
>that lift head crush
>>71231876
Bottom left looks like a White Walker from GoT.
>>71231906
I've seen this image several times on 4chan, but only today I realized where it's from.
Looked great, tho.
The effects in "The Blob" are even more disgusting than those in "The Fly II".
I opened up the first issue of the comic book sequel and... what the hell?
>>71231170
Jeepers Creepers 2 had god-tier practical effects OP. Watch it.
>>71232066
Did you know the director of the Jeepers Creepers movies is a convicted child rapist.
>>71231170
>Why don't we see practical effects of this quality any more?
Because we don't see any practical effects anymore. Even when they tried to do some puppetry in the new Star Wars movie they were total shit tier compared to puppets in the earlier films. It's a lost art form. I don't know why they don't just get the guys making real robots like in pic related here to do movie special effects.
The best of the best
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlXXKfrM_Ow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDKtMygiCVs
>the why does CGI suck meme
You realize you only notice the CGI that does suck, right?
The other 90% of it goes right by you without anything being seen.
My favorite example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXh8-h-zyEE
>>71231533
>I was hoping there was a more interesting reason for that besides "le greed".
you're in for a rough life
>>71231894
What? Jem can turn into inanimate objects?
Gonna have to rewatch now
>>71232172
It's a damn shame. One of the few horror franchises I like. The first had me by the balls for a while. Gave me nightmares. The way he stalks his prey throughout rural america. Fucking cozily eery. Much much more interesting than Hauntedhouseshit
>>71232312
>the you only notice CGI that sucks meme
No duh dipshit. Nobody cares about CGI being used to make matte painting backgrounds. Most of the shit in that video you posted isn't even CGI it's just composite shots. They took a shot of a real lion and mixed it with shots of people to make it look like they were all together. They didn't just take a shot of people and add in a CGI plastic lion that doesn't look real.
>>71232509
Don't worry. He got out years before he made Jeepers Creepers. Hollywood covered up his crimes and put him right to work for Disney making Powder. He's working on part 3 now. You should check out Clownhouse. That's the movie he raped a kid while making. Scary fucking movie. Dark illuminati child sex magic going on.
>>71232172
Damn, so that's why the movies had such a creepy stalker vibe to them
>>71231198
No, it looks real because it's real, but clumsy
>>71231929
I always wondered why that dude tore off his own face
This shit is gravy
>>71232851
Oh yeah. Also, correct me if I'm wrong I haven't seen the movies in years but Jeepers Creepers only kills boys in the movies, right?
>>71231929
Despite being a pretty terrible follow-up, the gore in the sequel is top tier. The screaming bloody skull and the realistic breathing really sell it. It's a real treat
>>71232995
Wait, that wasn't an actor pulling that face off?
>>71232927
Either he was trying to get the acid off and his face just sloughed with his fingers, or he was trying to get it off before it started eating through his skull. Losing a face will fuck your shit up, but at least it's a chance for survival no matter how slim.
>>71233249
> or he was trying to get it off before it started eating through his skull. Losing a face will fuck your shit up, but at least it's a chance for survival no matter how slim.
Haha, holy shit. Flat out one of the dumbest things I've seen here. That impressive.
>Gone are the days when good directors combined good use of CGI and practical effects
this is the wrong timeline.
BITE had some cool shit in it. Real slimy body horror stuff, insect eggs, decomposing bodies, the whole vomiting on people to melt them like The Fly. If you're into shit like that go check it out. All practical effects, even if the movie itself is pretty dumb.
>>71231170
Because it looks like shit you underage twat. Stop praising old garbage thinking it will make you look more adult and refined cause it's really the most childish thing one can do. I bet you're one of those shitheads who pretend the original Star Wars trilogy was good. Just do us all a favor and fuck off back to /v/ with all the other children.
>>71233390
>We will have a director's cut with the practical effects added back in
No justice in this world.
>>71231285
when CGI is done right, you can't even tell.
>>71233390
the practical shot looks even worse
>>71231743
>Which is why we never see HK-Jackie Chan-tier fight scenes in Hollywood ever
That's more because of lawsuits/workers' unions things. Jackie has pretty much talked about how when he first went into Hollywood, he encountered a lot of red tape when it comes to shooting action scenes. HK movie industry, for good and for bad, can pull off this shit because they don't give as much shit.
>>71232281
That was garbage compared to Vermithrax in Dragonslayer. Not all practical effects are created equal.
>>71233550
the CGI is a much better design, simply because the real one is too busy.
Too bad all the orcs were completely forgettable compared to the orcs from the original trilogy.
>>71232981
Nah, he killed a high school couple off-screen in the first movie. He does kill a lot of guys though, probably because he kind of assimilates their body parts into his own
>>71233460
Both are too blurry to make a judgement on either one.
>>71233573
I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this anon, but I think you might have cataracts.
>>71231585
So you're just a retarded pussy
Ok
>>71231170
>>71231285
That looks real only in the sense that it looks real because it is real, as in it's a real life prop. It doesn't look real in the sense of oh shit look at that REAL fly man hybrid!
It's the same problem with The Thing. You fucks love to meme about how real it looks but ignore that it animates like dog shit and is obviously puppetwork slathered in goo. Yeah it looks real because the prop is actually on set but that's it. That doesn't automatically make it good or better than cgi.
Case in point, I challenge you to find an animatronic creature that looks better than pic related, in terms of aesthetics and ANIMATION.
>>71233760
You need to post practical shots in that movie that aren't shitty. Practical effects are superior but you're posting crap that makes practical look worse.
>>71233573
>there's always that one kid
>>71232261
>why they don't just get the guys making real robots like in pic
Because it's lifeless uncanny valley. The same problem with bad cg only done with practical effects.
>>71233390
Now show us the practical version MOVING. The large Thing at the end of the first film was literally stationary and just stood there as mcready threw dynamite at it and rolled away.
Shit looks ok standing still but that's it.
>>71231170
>>71231876
the dog every time awooo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz0VI11d4eM
>>71232261
>I don't know why they don't just get the guys making real robots like in pic related here to do movie special effects.
They actually got some guys at Lucasfilm who make shit like that but I don't think they used them for Episode 7.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=uQcw_D8i0Po
>>71233781
Audrey II from Little Shop of Horrors. Puts most lip CG animation to shame.
>>71233722
Nah it's because the director likes to fuck young boys
>>71233918
I'm not saying they should use this specific robot that wasn't made for movies in movies to replace human actors for no reason. I'm saying they should apply the same techniques for special effects.
>>71234229
So pretty
>>71231585
>not having night terrors for the rest of your life about brundle fly puking all over you and melting your face off because you're parents let you watch age inappropriate movies at an impressionable age
>if you do cgi right you cant tell its cgi
Early CG was pretty bad but its mostly passable now, depends largely on the artists. The bear in the the Revenant looked fucking real for example, that was the result of talented animators and 3D sculptures. The bigger problem for me is poorly implemented green screens, where its painfully obvious the entire setting is fake like in the Hobbit.
>>71233311
Great counter point
>people paid money to see the hobbit
>>71233781
>That looks real only in the sense that it looks real because it is real
Are you retarded? Have you seen real gore? It's fucked up how often it looks like a troma movie.
>>71234303
>most
Ok name 5 examples
>>71233367
The Force Awakens did that
All that Hobbit shit makes me wanna vomit. I had forgotten all about those movies.
>>71235126
fucking lucas
>>71231876
I read a theory that the sequel was made to look more natural since he was born as a fly hybrid, to contrasr with Seth's more forced evolution
>>71233463
spoken like true millennial your the fucking child here matey, isnt the a got thread you can go shit up
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>>71234229
Its probably because of Simon "Fuck the prequels" Pegg.
Ackbar in TFA would've looked much better if they'd used an animatronic like the one developed for RotS that didnt make it to the film.
>>71233523
>just noticed that little face on the swivel
Top kek.
>>71234864
>Early CG was pretty bad
You mean like Jurassic Park?
>>71235126
I know these guys are supposed to make the sculptures on Lucas's vision, but holy fucking shit I would be irate if he start poking at my work like that.
>>71235784
No you wouldn't, you would make what he wants you to.
>>71234626
The fuck? I don't remember this ever happening
>>71236193
bluray release
>>71231743
>There will never be an MMA match where 2 Asian dudes just for fun beat the shit out of each other with constant kung fu moves
>>71236244
How much extra was in there?
>>71231170
because cgi is cheaper and easier
>>71232066
I used to live near where they filmed that in central Florida. Same area where they filmed waterboy.
>>71233550
worst decision they ever made.
>>71233249
Whether that's true or not, it at least explains why the maid from whatever that shitty soroity notGlee show was ripped off her own face after it was shoved into a deep fryer.
>>71231203
/thread
>>71234654
Jesus, that's like a PS3 cutscene.
>>71235449
>NEW BAD DRAGON RANGE
>>71236630
gross
>>71231170
Thanks, you reminded me that i wanted to watch the fly
>>71234626
This is so stupid it made my brain hurt
>>71232645
Exactly this.
People point out movies like this as an example of good cgi. But it's not CGI, it's computer aided composition, it's real shots and some lite cgi used to mix real images.
I'm tired of that argument. Good CGI exists, sometimes it's incredible, but editing a bunch of real shots into one is not pure CGI.
What people have a problem with is the overreliance of CGI with things that could better be represented with practical effects, miniatures, or stunt work.
>>71231170
CGI is probably easier. All the work is done on a computer screen. No physical work required. Just mental.
>>71233460
I don't remember the CGI in the 2011 version looking so Scorpion King, but damn.
>>71233523
That's really, really sad. Particularly because he lived through Peter Jackson do the same shot with real people just handful of years before.
That must have been devastating to watch someone stop caring that much.
>>71234303
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7SkrYF8lCU4303
I just went back and checked, holy shit they were good.
>>71237248
It was Warner Bros fault. They made Jackson shoot in 3D which made him unable to do some of the techniques he could with LotR.
They made sure to comfort McKellen
>>71237340
It's incredible. Seriously,
How did they do it? It're very impressive.
>>71237428
The thing that gets me is that there just had to be people controlling that live in real time, they didn't have computers to control it all.
Real puppeteers, controlling that in real time, syncing along to a vocal track, while interacting with a real person.
That's a crazy amount of skill.
>>71237428
>>71237552
>It took elaborate puppetry in order to make Audrey II come to life. Besides the electric sparks in the final scene, not a lot of CG was shown in the film. To the viewer, it appears that Audrey moves in real time along with Seymour, or whoever else it's singing with/talking to. But since it can only move at a certain speed, it would be filmed singing/talking at 16 frames per second. Rick Moranis and all of the other actors would have to sing in slow motion, which (in editing) would be sped up to appear that they're singing in unision at a normal speed.
>>71234303
>>71237340
>>71237428
>>71237552
Labrynth also has some amazing puppeteer work
>>71237552
Yes. And the lip movement was really incredible. That must have been very hard to make.
>>71233781
Davey jones doesn't look real at all, not even close.
>>71235073
This.
>>71231198
So does CGI. At least with the OP there's actually something physically there.
can we just agree that a bit of both, done extremely well, is great for everyone?
>>71238370
No. It has to be one or the other.
>>71234626
its like peter didnt even cared anymore
>>71234780
how the fuck does lotr looks more real than the horbbit?
>>71238648
Practical effects and CGI that was only used when there was no other alternative.
>>71238648
Because Peter Jackson wanted to do the first trilogy and was basically forced to do the second.
