Rome (in its prime) has magically appeared in Westeros and seeks to build its empire.
How does it fare?
>>71110323
ceasar sits on the iron throne 2 weeks later. literally just march rome's legions on the red keep.
>>71110323
Right now? Probably pretty well since the whole continent is destroyed from war. I'm not really up to par on my roman shit but the only force that would really stand a chance are the Tyrells, Dany and POSSIBLY the Lannisters
>>71110394
>dragons
>>71110394
Something like this assuming there's no dragons around.
For reference. At its height the Roman army consisted of roughly 450,000 men. Obviously also siege weapons.
They'd shit on everything and everyone if it weren't for the dragons.
>>71110550
>For reference. At its height the Roman army consisted of roughly 450,000 men
HAHAHAHA NOT EVEN FUCKING DRAGONS WOULD HAVE A CHANCE
Imagine a Roman military led by Alexander the great
>>71110550
Considering the advanced military tactics they used I would imagine half would be enough
how did the dornish survived agains the dragons?
>>71110633
Alexander wouldn't be crazy about the Roman military really.
Romans never used a lot of cavalry which was always Alexander's strong suit.
Why did Roman Empire get steamrolled by bunch of savages, Goths and Huns?
>>71110671
Guerilla warfare. They'd abandon castles and cities. They also refused open combat unless they had a huge numbers advantage.
>>71110671
coz they live in the saharan everest of something
>>71110722
This. Dragons need to eat a lot, apparently, to survive and it wouldn't be too difficult to avoid them by heading to remote desert strongholds.
>>71110716
Nothing lasts forever.
>>71110664
>literally "fuck your arrows m8"
>>71110323
How large would the armies of Rome be at this stage? I imagine they'd have to adapt for awhile, but eventually succeed as they mihjt have superior numbers and definitely superior strategy to anything we've seen on the show yet.
>>71110716
multiculturalism
>>71110777
>>71110550
Also, nice trips famalam
>>71110716
Various things. Turns out having an empire that runs on loot doesn't really work out in the long when you run out of places to loot.
>>71110323
Every man would die, until we had a female Caesar
>>71110716
Downsizing of the military, really.
Once Commodus (I think it was Commodus, maybe Caracalla) made Roman citizenship universal, it kind of robbed enlistment in the army of its incentive. Most people opted for lighter duty in the auxiliary corps and as time wore on, the armies got smaller and smaller as the barbarians caught up in terms of siegecraft and tactics.
The Sasanid Persians in particular adapted well to Roman fighting styles and beat them repeatedly.
>>71110777
Even in the books everyone is strategically retarded. It's always lead from the front charge with heavy knights then a bunch of peasants backing them up. Stannis is hailed as a great general but hasn't done anything super impressive.
>>71110777
considering we've just seen ramsey use a shield wall, they're basically as tactically advanced as the Gauls, so basically the romans would stomp their shit into the ground until they're nothing but bloody mud
>>71110805
Not really. Multiculturalism was never Rome's problem, it was kinda the disparity between Rome itself,and to lesser extent Italy, compared to conquered provinces.
>>71110722
Nonsense, by the time the Western Empire fell, the legions were composed of the same barbarians as the invaders. Rome lost because it wasted it's strength in generations of ruinous civil wars, and because of the short-sighted policy of "feoderatti", where barbarian tribes were settled inside the Roman Empire on the understanding that they would defend the Empire from other barbarians. They didn't, they just conquered themselves a nice new homeland inside what was the Empire.
>>71110922
>image.jpg
>Romans.jpg
wat
>>71110323
When? As in in what time in westeros?
Also, do you mean show westeros or book westeros?
Generally rome would conquerand, kills those house leaders, put romans as the equivalent of high lords and centralize their power
>>71110805
So wrong. Multiculturalism was always a strength of the Roman Empire, particularly in terms of its military might.
Rome itself was already a melting pot of cultures during the time of Julius Caesar in the poorer quarters, and a lot of non-Italian men rose to prominence in Roman politics. Trajan was born in Spain, and his trusted general Lucius Quietus was a fucking north African with dreads.
>>71110323
Knowing Romans they'd probably capture Maesters and see if this "magic" has practical use in warfare. Then they'd build roads. Lots of roads.
>>71110940
The show.
Any time period we've seen from season 1 to now that you like.
ROMANS?
What have the Romans ever done for us?
>>71110520
>>71110432
>sorely underestimating the power and accuracy of roman ballista and onagers...
>>71110323
Rome... In its prime... Good god
It's the equivalent of pitting a 6 month old embryo against a hippo (the hippo being Rome)
>>71110958
>Rome itself was already a melting pot of cultures during the time of Julius Caesar in the poorer quarters, and a lot of non-Italian men rose to prominence in Roman politics. Trajan was born in Spain, and his trusted general Lucius Quietus was a fucking north African with dreads.
wrong, they had all adopted Roman culture.
don't read multiculturalism as multiracial.
>Westeros' first and second in command
>>71111076
I doubt they've ever had to hit a moving, flying target that can easily close distance and kill those operating the equipment. All they could do is fire everything and hope something hits.
>>71110958
Good goy, diversity is our strength
>>71111100
There were shrines to Isis, to Mitra, to various foreign gods in Rome. You can call it integration of foreign elements into Roman culture itself, but ultimately it was still multiculturalism. Romans adopted what they liked and discarded what they didn't.
It's almost like you think Roman culture at its core was totally unique and not heavily modeled after Etruscan and Greek elements, particularly among its aristocracy.
>>71111176
I'm not saying whether multiculturalism is good or bad, just stating the fact that Rome thrived on its use.
>armored knight cavalry
honestly, cavalry was the primary source of headache for romans. and they never really ran into heavy cavalry until much later. keep in mind romans historically tended to get their asses beat by something new after which they would study whatever kicked their asses and develop a countermeasure to it.
>>71111030
>>71111054
That's not multiculturalism, though. They literally just gave barbarians land to serve as shield against other barbarians. It didn't work out, but that's beside the point.
>>71111245
Well yeah, alright, but apart from that. What have they ever done for us?
>>71111292
>>71111319
Fine. Apart from the aqueduct and sanitation. What have the Romans ever done for us?
>>71111153
One of the strongest suits of roman warfare is adaptability. You would need smaug level dragons (intelligence/size) to put the Romans off.
Got dragons are shit tier and would get absolutely wrecked
Literally any emperor except those from Teodosius and after would wreckt the shit out of any Westeros army.
Is there a fictional medieval empire that could beat Rome in its prime without magic? Magical animals like dragons are ok.
>>71111227
Romans vs Dothraki?
>>71111386
Well yes obviously the roads... the roads go without saying. But apart from the aqueduct, the sanitation and the roads...
>>71111387
Numenor in its prime
>>71111387
the
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>>71111372
Constantius III and Majorian would like a word with you.
>>71111433
Happy?
>>71111387
Armies of Mordor?
>>71111445
numenoreans are not fucking humans
>>71111433
>>71111478
saurons army was 100 000 at best rome was 450 000 at pirme
>>71111387
The thing about the Romans is that they coupled power with strategy to tremendous and devastating effect.
For other forces; it's heavily leaning on force over strategy
>>71111461
Both those were literally generals but well, I shall had added a *maybe*.
>>71111478
What did they have like 50k orcs and 100k men? Not to mention shit for tactics.
>>71111279
>That's not multiculturalism, though.
Multiculturalism is the coexistence of two or more cultures inside one nation, which is literally what that was.
>>71111478
The Roman military would absolutely wreck mordors orcs. Morgoths army would probably wreck Rome though
>>71111433
and
>>71111494
>>71111445
>are ok
sorry man, my bad
>>71111387
>Numenorians during ar-pharazon era
>morgoths army during the Battle of unnumbered tears
>fingolfin/feanors army during the March
>saurons army
But these are all down to skill rather than strategic advantage
>>71111433
?
>>71110323
I think dragons would be the only think that would really fuck up Romans because I don't think they could figure out how to deal with air power that's maneuverable.
>>71111600
>>71111552
>>71111502
Yes alright, fair enough
>Caesar hears about dragons
>Sets a trap for Daenerys
>Her Khalasar dies in the trenches under pikes of disciplined Roman Legions
>Hundreds of high-powered ballistas which were hidden until now kill those puny dragons
>>71111546
The witch king says no
>>71111387
300 Persian army
>>71111208
They thrived on its use until it completely ruined them
>>71111621
>Scorpios
>Balistaes
if anyone can do it, it's the Romans
>>71110323
Heavy cavalry was not a thing at Rome's prime. It was made possible by the invention of the saddle centuries later.
So what's really at stakes here is :
>How Roman infantry & tactics would fare against Westerosi armies and tactics, espcially heavy cavalry ?
>>71111621
They would figure shit out very quickly as they always have. Thats the advantage of being incredibly centralized and connected:
>Dragon attack completely obliterates a part of a roman army
>the romans retreat and send word back to rome
>a high concentration of smart people start getting to work
>someone gets the idea to put ropes to the stakes that the ballista fire
>they get that idea back to the front
>one at a time the dragons are shot down and killed and the army marches on until it finds the next obstacle
>>71111699
It didn't completely ruin them. I'd say it was only a fringe element of Rome's decline.
Internal strife, constant civil wars from the time of Severus onwards and especially during the time of Constantine and after, universal citizenship. Romanization was kind of a passive effect of contact with Rome for centuries but once they made being born in the Empire's bounds enough to make someone a citizen it was pretty much all downhill, militarily and culturally.
Still, the Byzantines did quite alright over in the East even after the Western Empire fell apart.
>>71110771
>movie takes place in Rome
>everyone speaks English
>they say "testudo" instead of "tortoise"
Why is this allowed?
>>71111740
Persians had heavy cavalry also the Seleucids.
>>71111837
Have you tried yelling out TORTOISE? That's why.
In terms of tactics, man power, rank based designation of military responsibility and general strategy, the Romans are well ahead of anything we've seen in Westeros.
They are at a technological disadvantage however; roman steel was not of the same quality as high medieval era steel and they lacked full plate armor, which Westerosi knights seem to use in abundance. However, the majority of Westeros' armies are extremely poorly equipped levy troops, so it would only be a factor in cavalry charges.
If the Romans could adapt and deal with Weserosi heavy cavalry then they would almost certainly have the seven kingdoms sewn up. Their ideas of citizenship and social mobility would probably be welcomed by non-nobles anyway.
>>71111552
Fuck you that was the easterners
>>71111600
Fuck you that was the greeks
>>71111153
even dornish sandniggers were able to take down a full grown dragon with actually capable rider
>>71111740
>he doesnt know they had saddles back then
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddle
>>71111885
It feels good. Just did it many times. TORTOISE
>>71111782
Literally almost every problem you described was exasperated or caused by multiculturalism
>>71112070
You absolute madman.
>>71110323
Folds at the first knightly charge.
Remember boys
>Romans.
>Cavalry.
>>71112052
i think he means hoses backs weren't strong enough which is why early warfare used chariots until breeding created horses strong enough to carry soldiers and armour
>>71111319
It amazes me how comfortable they were with shitting without barriers/walls.
>>71112349
The Persians had some heavy Calvary. There was no point in fielding Heavy Calvary because it was expensive and didn't do the job much better than medium and light Calvary while also getting wrecked in the calvary engagement.
Proof? See Calvary warfare until the growth of the knight which would want MAXIMUM protection for himself against the better weapon tech
>>71111279
In addition to what those Anon's added, the differing cultures formed their own sects within the army and as a result they failed to efficiently work together when needed, each group vying for itself.
One way to look at it was multi-culturism essentially killing the Roman military OR the lack of efficient integration of different cultures into the Roman military.
A lot of people claim "HUR DUR MELTING POT" without realizing these people largely gave up their native culture to become roman as opposed to remaining as a person of their native culture and just benefiting from having roman benefits.
>>71112142
>the Severan wars, Constantine's civil wars
>caused by multiculti
no
>>71112521
did rome use light calvary? because celts at that time were still using chariots
>>71112238
Repellere equites!
go ask the sarmatian bitches what happend
Who /pompeii/ here
>>71110958
>Trajan was born in Spain
He was born in roman spain to a roman family. Spain had been a province for well over 150 years at that point.
>>71112142
multiculturalism only benefited the Romans you fuckwit
literally only true racial Romans were from the area around Rome
>>71112605
>celts
because they were fucking celts and barbarians. Consider their location and lack of technological osmosis
why would romans need to use heavy calvary? they fought against dudes with Light Calvary and Skirmishers They deployed medium and light Calvary. Heavy Calvary only worked for the Persains because they fought dudes with Heavy Foot Formations ( eastern romans and indians). The Eastern romans did develop some heavy Calvary to help fight against the Persians
>>71112680
He was still what, one or two generations from being a 'new man' in the aristocracy? He was hardly a good old Roman
>>71112521
What about cataphracts
>>71112689
>multiculturalism only benefited the Romans you fuckwit
No. You fuckwit. It benefited Rome for a long time and eventually lead to its downfall. Multiculturalism destroyed the Roman empire from the inside out as different culture groups decided to carve out their own territories.
>>71112639
Knights =/= Any classical cavalry.
>Personal armor better than what Romans fucking had
>STIRRUPS
>HIGH BACKED SADDLES.
>Couched lances.
>Large warhorses.
>>71112604
>almost all
Read the entire post anon
>>71112572
Just ignore them, they're idiots spouting /pol/ memes, who think
>naw naw that is multiculturalism
In response to every argument is exhaustive
>>71110633
>>71110703
Alex's strong suit was the sarissa based phalanx with heavy cavalry on his wings.
>>71112876
Since it's quite hard for you to understand the reasons that led the Roman Empire to it's downfall, just see it like this: they got lazy
Even you can understand this, I suppose
>>71112905
there were what, 15-20 civil wars from the time of Severus onward during the real decline of the Roman Empire? That's kind of a big thing to exclude from the 'almost all'
>>71112997
Since it's quite hard for you to understand the reasons that led the Roman Empire to it's downfall, just see it like this: as different parts and groups of the empire self identified as being a persons from where they were from instead of being Romans, internal strife occured.
Even you can understand this, I suppose
>>71112871
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equites_cataphractarii
the romans used mostly against enemies that had heavy infantry formations and to counter the Parthians who used heavy Calvary themselves
But against most enemies light Calvary works fine which can be seen by the dominance of the Avars and Turkic people in the 500-1000's
>>71112894
>Personal armor better than romans had
maybe, but also muh honor and glory is all mine! charge!
>Stirrups and saddles
wont help you against organized legion formation.
>couched lance and large warhorse
and then my horse took a pilum to the knee. or got exhausted chasing those maurian and numidian auxilia horsemen.
>>71113107
But this is wrong
>>71113143
Nope.
>>71113206
Yep
Reads like you interpreted the information you were given in a way it would make sense in your twisted mind
Against a unified westeros Rome would get rekt because westros has better armor and weapons
>>71111279
>n-no, it's not multiculturalism when it doesn't work!!!!1
>>71113277
>unified
Like that'll ever happen
>>71110550
But were they good men?
>>7111332021 of them are
>>71112497
Were these the theater showers of Roman times?
>>71113131
>maybe, but also muh honor and glory is all mine! charge
Doesn't tend away the advantages and probably won't happen if someone with a brain is leading
>>71113131
>wont help you against organized legion formation
Cavalry is very important in battle
>>71113131
>and then my horse took a pilum to the knee. or got exhausted chasing those maurian and numidian auxilia horsemen.
Meme defense, cavalry were affective against the romains
![Batalla_de_rocroi_por_Augusto_Ferrer-Dalmau[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Wr8AZJz.jpg "Batalla_de_rocroi_por_Augusto_Ferrer-Dalmau[1].jpg")
>>71110323
I feel like everyone in GoT is so shit at warefare, like, maybe they can't show good fights on screen or something, but everything they do seem so half assed and not thought through
>>71113250
Reads like you chose to ignore the information you were given in a way it would make sense in your twisted mind
Even soldiers claiming allegiance to Generals instead of Rome exemplifies this, worst when provinces viewed themselves as being more independant and not as being Roman subjects.
>>71111227
Cavalry+unfamiliar terrain fucked with Roman tactics way more than cavalry alone. So Rome is at an even bigger disadvantage here.
>>71113491
I think it has more to do with tv and film not representing battles realistically
>>71113277
Seleucid would like to have a word with you.
>>71113491
I wanna pet that war pupper
Who would win? 3 dragons or a trillion lions?
>>71113491
Pikes are the OP pls nerf weapon of the renaissance and medieval eras.
>>71113671
the lions with trebuchets to launch aerial attacks
>>71113626
Jesus, seen that picture like 100 times, never noticed the dog
The only thing rome has is superior numbers.
>>71110716
Rich guys with big estates and slave labor outcompeted joe schmoe legionary who got a little land for serving in the army.
>>71110323
Disregarding dragons, Rome would wreck them hard. Their only shot would be to unite all houses and rent the entire Khalasar + unsullied from Dany, but even then Caesar would prolly piss on the Iron throne within a month.
Looking at the current state I believe even William Wallace would have a shot at taking westeros.
>>71111366
This
They were very flexible. That was one of their strengths that no one else had.
>>71114193
Dragons would get destroyed by Roman siege engines, and adaptability.
How about a Han Dynasty army?
They had pretty much the same level of professionalism and training as the Romans.
They also had repeating crossbows!
>>71110958
Assimilation =/= Multikulti
Multiculturalism does not ever work. You can take influences, but as we can see in Yurop, it's impossible for completely diversive groups to live in harmony. Whether the Romans knew this or not, they simply forced THEIR customs on everyone else, creating a harmony by itself.
Rome fell because of
1. Making too many foes
2. Constant besieged borders
3. Internal struggles (both in politics and military)
4. Age of Decadence/final stage of any empire
Read up on "The Fate of Empires" by John Glubb. It's a short but interesting read on why virtually every Empire in human history only lasted for about 250 years on average.
>>71114193
Only if Rome outnumbered them by a large margin. also rome would get wrecked if they meet westros force face to face, fully armored men would cut them down easily.
>>71114499
>fully armored men
Rome's armies had about the same level of armor Westeros soldiers wore.
>>71111227
it wasn't really heavy cavalry by itself but when used in conjunction with horse archers
the horse archers would endlessly harass them and when they gave chase with their own cavalry, the heavy cavalry would wreck them since rome lacked large horses
>>71114499
You aren't fielding an entire army in full plate mail. At best they'd have some chain mail and leather.
>>71114431
The chinese are terrible at war though.
>>71114431
The repeating crossbow is kind of a meme, the thing was ridiculously weak compared to the crossbows of the medieval era.
>>71110432
>>71110520
Hey dumbfucks, Romans were crazy with ballistae and they were also big fans of using nets (think gladiators).
You best have a few dozen dragons at least, else you can say bye bye to any notion of air superiority.
Let's not even get into the discussion of pilum throwing being a popular sport among their armies that's the soccer of those times.
>>71110323
Badly.
Rome in its early days depended on its allies and everyone in Westeros is a backstabbing cunt. Not entirely sure how society in Westeros functioned for so long if nobody cares about their superiors committing atrocities and killing their allies just like that. Why the fuck would anyone follow Ramsay?
>>71111372
>theycmin
Let me tell you about Rome
>>71114912
>Rome in its early days
He said in their prime, not in their early days. In their early days, they didn't even have leather armor, let alone the Rome shit we know.
>>71114493
this
people thinking america is multiculturalist is wrong, It created its own culture and assimilated people into it just like rome
mutliculturalism in essence would never work because the local cultures would want independence and their own country (see Latin America and Russia for a mini culticulturalist pot)
>>71114431
Chinese got wrecked by everybody that wasnt chinese
>>71114554
In the books, no. Roman lorica segmentata was super good, but it wasn't anywhere nearly as good as full plate armor the knights are shown to use in the series.
People seem to also forget that most of the weaponry, armor, and tactics used in A Song of Ice and Fire is primarily 15th century stuff, minus gunpowder. The knights and professional soldiers are going to be much better armored and geared by just a technological advantage of 12 centuries (that was the time when lorica segmentata started becoming disused).
If Romans are fighting with their own weapons, strategies, and armor and refused to adept then they would quickly be destroyed by the crossbowman and longbowman the show use, and then wiped up with the enormous amounts of heavy calvary which would be vastly superior to that of cataphracts. The romans wouldn't normally use anything other than in rarity the crossbow, which is far weaker than the 15th century counter part, slings (which wouldn't do anything other than to the odd peasant), and pilum (which are pretty good, but its not going to have anywhere near the range of the enemies siege engines or range units.
>>71114800
Nets were only used in the arena and were super impractical other than for showmanship. Roman artillery would also be weaker than 15th century artillery.
>>71110771
what if one man stands in front of them and another man attacks from the side?
>>71114940
> Don't the best time to be making a painting do you think profligate ?
>>71114970
Yeah, just read that, disregard that I'm retarded.
Still wondering how Westeros managed for so long...
Rome would win hands down, due to it being governed by practical men rather than drooling retards who constantly make retarded decisions about everything.
>>71115031
>Still wondering how Westeros managed for so long...
You might as well as the same question about medieval Europe. Shit happens, people endure.
>>71115003
This
Westros has superior weapons and armor
>>71115003
>Nets were only used in the arena and were super impractical other than for showmanship.
They were extremely practical against spears,
also the point was that their awareness would lead to adaptation in using them to get rid of dragons.
Roman artillery was good enough to fuck up some shitty sky lizard. If not the scales, the quantity of incoming spears and ballistae spears would at least get into its eyes, mouth, neck.
>>71114431
There can't be more then 3,000 figurines in that picture.
>>71115084
Nets weren't used in battle
>>71115003
Good thing there's no fucking siege weapons in GoT. They literally just starve everyone out or sneak in.
>>71115043
>practical men
>mfw there's a myth Romans had Army Order 38 which details how to deal with a zombie outbreak in efficient and organized manner
>>71115027
> Don't the best time to be making a painting do you think profligate ?
Is that literal translation of Latin?
>>71115084
There has never been a single documented case of nets being used in a battle. It was literally only used in the gladiator arena, which are glorified choreographed games.
And westeros had artillery that was better than the romans during the conquest of Aegon, since they've been stuck in 15th century technology for years, and it didn't hurt the dragons.
>>71115149
there are in the books, which if you were arguing rome vs show, then Rome since the show has no logical sense in armor or weapons.
Hey fags, I usually don't care about history at all but this thread made me mildly curious about the romans, they seem like cool and smart guys. Is there some good entry level reading about their strategies and shit online?
genghis khan would've raped the romans
>>71115168
I think Romans spoke Romanian m8
>>71115158
Did they have an Order 66 too?
>>71115218
So, gypsies were emperors and shiiiiit
>>71110323
Better than the Boltons
>>71115158
>Army Order 38
That was literally made up in the zombie survival guide.
>>71115202
And would half nothing behind, but a bunch of mud huts like the nigger he was
>>71115192
And we're on /tv/, so we are arguing the show and not the books. And even in the books, most of the siege weapons are horns of various sizes.
>>71115283Shhhh.
>>71111208
No. The Roman empire tolerated every little shit belief of the peoples they conquered.; but that is NOT multiculturalism. It is simply tolerance. People could believe whatever they liked, so long as they did what Rome said when Rome said to do it.
Rome only cared about power. Let the plebs do their pleb shit, so long as they pay Caesar. If you wanted power in Rome, you adopted the Roman way: sandal on throat. One culture. One power.
>>71115158
> mfw order 66
>>71110716
Lots of reason that ultimately amount to infighting and bad luck
>>71115202
Incorrect, Romans routinely used the wintering method that the Rus used against the Khans. Only issue really was if the fucking Romans could let their pride go and just keep building forts until the horses starved.
>>71115022
That is only a phalanx, designed to train soldiers in safe environments. When push comes to shove, hundreds of these phalanxes come together, promptly protecting the sides if need be. DOn't be underage.
>>71110323
They get stomped on Westeros has far better weapons and armor.
>>71110716
They had 20 good men each.
>>71115369
Idk I just think that Legions that have been at war for 20 years nonstop would shit all over bunch of houses banded together who expect a fucking 2 month campaign
>>71115314
They didn't so much as tolerate it as integrate every foreign religion into their own
>Oh, you have a god of trees and shit? Yeah well, he's actually a part of our gods too, you just don't know about the rest, let's teach you
And pretty much, most cultures wanted to be Roman. They just didn't like being controlled.
>>71115084
Which makes me wonder why the siege of mereen didn't fucking have boats that could project nets upwards, if they are advanced enough to make trebuchets.
>>71115202
Rome would wipe the floor with the Horde in a defensive war.
>>71111387
literally Empire from fantasy Warhammer and it would be embarassing to watch
post you're emperorfus
>Hadrian also spent a considerable time of his rule with the military, where he usually wore military attire and at times even dined and slept amongst the soldiers. An alert and responsive military was his biggest challenge, so, he would raise false alarms at times to test his army’s training, drilling and response to any sudden crisis. But despite his reputation as an efficient military administrator, his reign was marked by a general lack of major conflicts, apart from Second Roman-Jewish war, which he handled rather cunningly.
>>71115468
I hope you know fire burn nets
>>71110958
>So wrong. Multiculturalism was always a strength of the Roman Empire
You're thinking of a multiracial society assimilated to roman culture
Multiculturalism wasnt the norm until the later days, shortly before it fell apart
>>71115487
they wear no fucking armor
>>71115487
>>71111387
Seachan from wheel of time, they would wrecked Rome in an hour.
>>71115431
This very simple device is what prevented the Romans from marching past the Euphrates.
The Romans during the time of Caesar had nothing to counter lancers. This was mostly because they never fought massed lancers until pic related was invented.
Now guess what a medieval army has a shit ton of.
>>71115314
The gods of the conquered regions were integrated into the Pantheon through Interpretatio Romana, not just tolerated.
For example, where I am from they used to have a goddess called Abnoba.
When the Romans came, they thought Abnoba was Diana, so in that region, whenever sacrifice was made, it was dedicated to Diana Abnoba.
>>71110432
>>71115512
Criminally underrated Aurelian. Just because empire was going to shit and there was no real way of saving it doesn't mean we should ignore really good emperors who struggled to hold it together.
>Reconquered the breakaway provinces of Gaul, and crushed the Palmyrene Empire. He probably extended the Roman Empire's lifespan by two hundred years. He obtained the title of Restitutor Orbis, or restorer of the world. Was assassinated by his soldiers after a 5 year reign, which makes his accomplishments all the more impressive.
>>71115564
Genghis' entire army was based around having stupid numbers of horses in tow. I literally think it was three horses a man. Rome would just wait along the Rhine and let them die. The fucking Goths would probably even flip allegiance permanently after getting stomped to death.
>>71110550
> 450,000 men
That's like 4 times the population of the entire GoT universe probably. lol
>>71115512
>saves Rome
>is universally hated by Rome for some reason afterwards
Also military genius.
>>71115602
Your legs, arms, and face are expose buddy
>>71113491
What if they just built a pike that was like miles long and just stabbed Ramsay from really far away? Like they could be at their camp and just stab him through his window before he even knew it was coming
The Roman army in its prime was too disciplined, unified, too well trained and equipped, over 400k strong (before auxiliary conscription), and filled with too many war veterans that grew in number every day. The people of GoT, aka the 'homo retardus', would get stomped. And i refuse to believe that the Romans couldn't figure out a way to pin the dragons down and make dragon salad out of them.
>>71115564
The Western Roman Empire was a shell of its former self.
>>71113489
>Cavalry is very important in battle
in maneuver warfare.
But a legion is an independent unit - it has no supply lines to threaten with cavalry. The horses just wheel around the legion getting repulsed by spears and picked off with arrows 'n such.
>>71115881
why not use that pole to jump across the field and have sick 1v1 with Barry ?
>>71115905
>over 400k strong
That's a hell of lot more than the 6000 that Ramsey and the ~3000 that Jon had.
One thing Westeros has is superior ships
The Romans wouldn't do much harm if there were a body of water between them and Westeros
I just wonder how they would react to their religions and functioning magic.
>>71116036
Westeros has superior everything except numbers and discipline
>>71110771
Legs are vulnerable
>>71115642
I hope they have more than that. It seems that every little kingdom has an army of 20,000 or 30,000. To sustain that they must have millions.
Who would build all those enormous palaces every one seems to have. It's only in the North the population seems very light.
>>71115582
>This very simple device is what prevented the Romans from marching past the Euphrates.
Not really. It was more how long it took to arrive in Mesopotamia the reason the Romans periodically sacked and conquered the region but never annexed it
>>71114940
>freeze frame
>>71115003
>adept then they would quickly be destroyed by the crossbowman and longbowman the show use
>The romans wouldn't normally use anything other than in rarity the crossbow
jesus fuck you're retarded, ever heard of the Sagittarii?
the standard bow the Romans used was a fucking composite bow and the bow wasn't even limited to the sagittarii, it was even used as a back up weapon among the cavalry
and the sagittarii alone had the strength of 17000+ men
>>71115641
>genghis
ahhhh yes, I see you're a history expert
>>71115432
The more things change.....
>>71116150
gl wasting arrows on that tiny space, for a small chance of hitting someone's sandals.
Rome would lose because they wouldn't be able to feed 450k men
>>71112070
kek
>>71116295
This tbqh. It's a logistics nightmare.
>>71115587
You say integrated, i say tolerated - I doubt any roman knew a thing about 'diana abnoba', which speaks less to integration and more to toleration; but it's the same either way. So long as Rome convinces the plebs that they all worship the same god, and the plebs send their taxes promptly.
>>71116295
You are assuming that by the time they would have stampeded the fuck out ofeveryone, they would start feeling hunger.
You assume wrongly.
>>71115975
>But a legion is an independent unit - it has no supply lines to threaten with cavalry
I'm a romaboo too, but this is some superior nippon steel levels of delusion. Of course legions had fucking supply lines
>>71110323
Rome has massive numbers on anything got fielded. Most of the battles were what? 10k on each side max?
Rome had millions. Plus their siege tactics beat what Jamie showed us engine and equipment wise.
>>71110432
btfo by muh balistas
>>71111981
This.
>>71111837
KAAANEEEDAAAA
>>71116197
>romans used
You mean the auxiliary forces used, largely imported from eastern countries? And you mean the bow used on auxiliary cavalry, that only primarily saw use on the eastern empire?
>>71116200
Oh, anon! Do grow the fuck up - if not for you, then for the thread. Chingiz would not be pleased, fuckwit.
>>71116444
Not in the field, brother! Every day they built roads and forts - every day! Their 'supply lines' were about half a day long, and if the legion was about to by outmaneuvered, they'd just back up and laugh from the fort.
>>71116445
Largest battle the Romans had used about 86k men which is substantial, but the Westeros factions can supply about 60k or so men each.
Give me 50 warhammer 40k space marines, and I'll give you the GoT world devoid of life in a few weeks.
>>71112497
I mean public nudity in the Greek and Roman world was basically considered normal. If you were hot and took your tunic off people may think you unfashionable, but they would hardly blink an eye.
>>71116445
Renly has an army of 100k with the tyrells, I am sure pre 5 kings war westeros could field an army of 300k.
>>71110323
Westeros is fucked.
>>71116685
Romans weren't big fans of the nudity in Greece, actually.
>>71116672
>50
You could probably get away with a squad.
>>71116167
the soldiers didn't build palaces just like they don't build skyscrapers today
the USA have 1.5m soldiers but that does not mean their total population is only 1.5 million. that's because soldiers are unproductive and very expensive
do you get the message?
>>71116730
>300k
>feudal system
>>71116529
I was referring to the fact that the picture was of attila the hun, who used horse archers and destroyed the western empire. I don't give a fuck how you spell genghis
>>71112672
I'm actually from Rome
>>71117103
Doesn't matter. 30k from the North, 40k from the vale, 60k from the westerlands, 30k from the stormlands. 20-30k or whatever the fuck from the riverlands, 20k from Dorne, 80k from the Reach.
These are more or the less the canonical amount of troops that each kingdom can field.
Someone in this thread stated that the most troops Rome could bother to field at a single time was 450k I think. If we throw them together we see that the combined forces of a full strength Westeros is, in fact, enough to beat Rome, and pretty fucking handily. Even if Rome could field a lot more than that, Westeros just has pure technological superiority. Nothing that the Roman army would use would be able to match a knight in full 15th century plate armour. Everything else even that Westeros has is superior, aside from discipline and possibly tactics, but that doesn't matter if your enemy has a shit ton more heavy cavalry than you.
they wind up in Valyria 5000 years ago, find dragons and kill the ghiscari
literally what happened in the canon
you ever get that feeling of deja vu?
>>71110323
>>71110432
>giants
>>71119011
there is no way they could logistically support an army of 100 000
martin is shit with numbers
>>71110771
TESTUDOOOO
>>71117958
yes yes i'm actually from rome HOWEVER
>>71119125
Yeah but it really doesn't matter because this is game of thrones world. This whole thread is kind of dumb, because it's basically asking "WHO WOULD WIN THE ROMAN EMPIRE OR THE COMBINED MIGHT OF THE ENTIRETY OF 15TH CENTURY EUROPE"
Really it's kind of dumb 2bh.
And actually you could probably logistcally support an army that large. The HRE sure as hell could, and I remember at least one time that it did during the Second Crusade. Not only that, but how the hell is the Roman Empire just suddenly going to be able to feed its whole army of some 500k men when it just pops into Westeros?
>>71115022
>>71115353
You're both idiots. Testudo was only used in sieges. If there were men on the field that could flank their formation, they wouldn't be using testudo in the first place.
>>71111387
>>71111111
>Tywin gave Jamie half of his forces (30k men) and led the other 30k against Rob's 20k northmen
>several seasons later
>Ramsey only has 6k men against Jon's 2k wildlings and Lyanna Momont's 62 bearmen
The fuck happened to all the people
>>71119285
They have supply lines going through oblivion gates from TeS.
