WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS GUY'S PROBLEM??????
>>71077454
he's always felt like something of an outsider
>Not a true Italian
>will always be second fiddle
>always wants to play it safe
>didn't have the makings of a war time consigliere
>>71077454
>implying he wasn't the most loyle to his capo
He wanted to surf in Vietnam, but was stuck in the mob.
How anybody can rate Part II higher than Part I is beyond me.
>You're not a wartime Consiglieri, Tom.
Why was Mike such a dick? He didn't have to be so hard about it.
>>71077675
How anybody can rate Part I higher than Part II is beyond me
>>71077719
because even he knew he needed a sicheeleeano
>>71077675
I think a lot of it was just that it came out in an era where sequels were ALWAYS just half assed rushed cash ins and people were shocked that it matched the quality of the first and actually pushed the characters and story forward.
Still no way 2 is as good as 1 though you're right.
>>71077754
Well that's because you have bad taste and are a weirdo.
>>71077675
You should watch Part II, then you'd understand.
>>71077754
Besides the flashbacks Part 2 is a mess
>>71077719
At first I thought that was a front to confuse the capo.
>>71077523
is he the biggest cuck in all of Kino?
>>71077808
>Part 1
>actual conflict between rival families
>Part 2
>random jewish guy betrays you because muh Moe Green
It's not even close
>>71077808
I did. The story is much weaker and some of the acting is flat out laughable.
>>71077833
>Successful all the same
>never got his hand dirty
Oh yeah for sure
>>71077882
>The story is much weaker and some of the acting is flat out laughable.
Every performance in both movies is top notch. There isn't a single weak performance in the Godfather Part I and II.
>Cinema Illiterate children of /tv/ have to turn it into a consolewars between part I and II instead of just appreciating the greatness of the two films
Now I no why I left this place
>>71077937
Don Fanucci was played like a cartoon vilain.
Francesco Ciccio was almost as bad.
>>71077981
Well leave again >>>/v/
>>71077937
I think the story is fine, but the plot is weak as fuck
It's easy to see that Coppola wrote the script for Part 2 instead of the actual author of the original novel.
Hell they couldn't even bring back the original actors they wanted. Clemenza was supposed to be under suspicion of being a turncoat not "Frank" who was just some random guy Coppala pulled out of his ass. So was Hymen Rothsteinbergowitz
>>71078100
>story
I meant acting. The acting is fine
>>71078100
Actually, Mario Puzo did write the Godfather Part II. Plot is for plebes
>>71078100
They also couldn't get Marlon back.
Fucking studios ruining it all.
>Michael kills three of the men in this room
What's HIS problem?
>>71078180
Well 2 deserved it.
That scene was great by the way.
>>71078180
They weren'tloyle to their capo
>>71078180
Brother in law and Tessio deserved it literally any way you spin it.
Fredo is a lot stickier but that's kind of the point of it being the climax of the movie.
>Fredo is the only one who congratulates Mike
;_____;
>>71078147
It wasn't based on Puzo's novels which is why the narrative was so choppy and pointless for all of Michael's plot
only the flashback scenes made sense.
You could tell the "Michael" story was running on fumes which is why Part 3 ended up being such a shitshow.
There wasn't anymore story to even tell.
>>71078316
Also the acting of the supporting cast got even worse.
Never force your daughter into your movies
>>71078316
There was a story to tell and it told it perfectly well.
>>71078372
It worked for his sister
>>71077675
I just find Part II more entertaining and rewatchable. It's not better, just most of the scenes are "Michael/Vito acts like a badass" which better serves my mafioso wish-fulfillment fantasies
Also the whole bit in Cuba and the switching back and forth between the 50's and the turn of the century makes it feel more epic than Part 1
>>71078398
His wife seeing him for the monter he is and the trial yes. Hymen came out of nowhere but they needed a bad guy for the trial. It was weak.
>>71078316
>There wasn't anymore story to even tell.
That's just flat out false
Part I is about Michael getting his power
Part II is about Michael losing his family because of his lust for power
Part III is about Michael's attempt at redemption
Part I and II are told perfectly fine and so would Part III if it wasn't for a few fatal flaws
>>71078398
If that was the case then the story wouldn't have to be interspersed with flashbacks starring Robert Deniro just to keep the audience awake.
>>71078493
>Part 1 was about Michael
No. It was about the family as a whole.
That's another thing that Part 2 fucked up on.
>>71078506
>if the story wasn't told the way it was as it was in the movie it wouldn't have been good
No shit
>>71077454
>there are people that unironically think Part I is better than II
>those people browse the same board as me
I cannot seem to fathom
>>71078562
Part 1 didn't need to be saved by flashbacks
>>71078605
so you're saying the flashbacks are just filler added in after the fact?
[citation needed]
>>71077454
hes a subhuman mick kraut potatonigger
>>71078605
What difference does that make? The flashbacks in the Godfather Part II work, hence, its good storytelling.
>>71077454
Literally saved the Corleone family.
>>71078657
No
The flashbacks are the only coherent part of the movie
Everything with Michael is random and pointless.
>>71078688
Too bad the rest of the movie isn't
>It's a /tv/ tries really desperately to be contarian episode
I'll join in, Marlon Brando is a horrible hack overactor. If it wasn't for Dick Smith's make-up he wouldn't have gotten any praise
YOU CAN ACT LIKE A MAN.
WHAT'S THE MATTER WITH YOU?
>>71077675
I like Part II better
I'm a fan of de Niro
>>71078742
>Marlon Brando is a horrible hack overactor.
>It's an anon tries really desperately to be contarian episode
>>71078725
>Everything with Michael is random and pointless.
It's a completely coherent story that shows how Michael destroys his family for more power. What exactly is random about it?
>>71078762
>cut to based Tom chuckling
>>71078725
>Too bad the rest of the movie isn't
I disagree, I think the parts with Michael and the parts with Vito complement each-other perfectly
>>71078838
>based Tom
>Not a true Italian
>will always be second fiddle
>always wants to play it safe
>didn't have the makings of a war time consigliere
cucks desu
>>71078725
Random and pointless? What?
>>71078742
>contrarian
>Part 1 consistently listed over Part 2 on "best movie of all time" lists
http://www.afi.com/Docs/100Years/movies100.pdf
>>71078823
you mean besides the appearances of enemies plot points, and betrayals that come out of nowhere and do nothing?
>>71078843
And so does basically every critic, but this random anon on /tv/ surely knows best
>Everything with Michael is random and pointless.
It shows how Michael destroyed the family with values that contradict how the family was created in the first place.
>>71078865
Yea we saw it the first time, we just ignored it because you're a fucking idiot.
>>71078927
stop posting, Tom
>>71077675
it's very good, I agree that 1 is better, but only slightly
his wife sucks in 2 though
>IT WAS AN ABORTION MICHAEL
Michael's compound in Lake Tahoe was pretty comfy
>>71077454
>people are arguing that Part I, a movie with a plot that was only able to move forward thanks to a character having superhuman memory of how a certain restaurant's toilet stall was designed, is better than the absolute kino known as Part II.
Reddit is here, I see.
>>71078887
>betrayals that come out of nowhere and do nothing?
WEW LAD
Yeah Fredo's betrayal comes out of nowhere and does nothing, sure senpai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDXKAwzdxn4
my favorite scene 2bh
>>71078998
>recast Sophia
>pay Duvall what he wants so he's in
Make those changes and Part III, while still not up there with I and II, would be considered a great film and complement to the series.
Also replace the helicopter scene with something more reasonable and consider recasting Andy Garcia
Why do people have such a hard-on for Tom Hagen?
>>71079048
>doubting BASED
>>71078869
>>71078911
just try explaining all the meandering, go nowhere plot points then
People can't even settle on the extent of Fredo's betrayal (was he trying to kill Michael or just stupid), or who killed the assassins, or why Roth chose to kill Michael after choosing not to intervene after Green's death years ago.
None of it makes sense because it was just a sequel made with characters who come out of nowhere.
>>71079061
People can't even settle on what he was trying to do.
Hating the Godfather Part III is a meme. It's a good film that would be GOAT with Winona Ryder instead of Sofia Coppola. Tom "the Cuck" Hagen isn't missed
>>71079106
He's an interesting character who sands out due to his distinctiveness
>neat backstory
>not Italian
>still loyle as fuck
>not a hot head
>it's based Robert Duvall
>>71079145
>People can't even settle on X
Because it's not a pleb movie that spoonfeeds you every single thought of each character.
>>71079145
>I need everything Spoonfed because I'm a fucking pleb
Here's your (You)
>>71079152
If you're going to call out my post at least don't be a PUSSY about it and reply to me directly
I agree with you though except for your point about Hagen/Duvall. Coppola fucked up his legacy just for his daughter
>>71079106
because Duvall is a GOAT tier actor
>>71079048
>not remembering the bathrooms in each Restaurant you visit
Do you even Tessio?
>>71079250
>>71079218
Or it's because the Fredo betrayal was actually poorly written and confusing
>>71079048
i actually had never thought about this
it's pretty weird tbqh, why the fuck would that guy know how a random restaurant's (that he barely remembered) bathroom stall was designed?
>>71079145
>People can't even settle on what he was trying to do.
What is "ambiguity"?
>>71079341
They explained Tessio's hidden gift for remembering Bathroom stalls in a deleted scene from the Godfather Part II
>>71079353
So you're saying Part 1 should have been more ambiguous and explained less about the characters?
>>71079341
it's never stated that he barely remembers it. I just assumed he was a regular
>>71079334
Fredo was autistic and jealous of Michael, what's not to get?
>>71079334
Or he's a naive character that may have loosened his tongue too much in a deal he wanted to prove himself with?
>>71079341
because it used a strange style of flushing or something
it was unique, why wouldn't you remember?
>>71079334
what was confusing about it? Fredo felt left out and underappreciated, he did something on the side and was used because he's a simpleton.
>>71079334
>Be the oldest living son of the Don
>get pushed over by your kid brother Mike who didn't even want anything to do with the family business
>become the laughing stock of the family
>your wife is a huge slut who makes a fool of you everywhere you go
>get a shitty job in your family business
>get approached by Johnny Ola, who will provide for you more than your own family did if you help him
>Betray Michael to finally get respect (from Johnny Ola and Hyman Roth)
What's not to understand, they literally explain it in the movie
>>71077675
Part II is the magnum opus of American cinema
>>71079417
There's plenty of ambiguity in Part I, for example the question "what exactly turned Michael bad?" doesn't get the same answer from everyone.
>>71079441
>>71079486
>>71079502
either he
a. wants to murder Michael and take over
or
b. is naive and let's too much information out and gets manipulated into helping Roth (I just wanted to scare you)
People act like both those options are possible, but they really aren't.
>>71079547
I'M SMAHT
>>71079547
Plus he was actually pretty dumb ("IM SMAHT") and was exploited to betray the family
>>71079612
>Fredo
>Not naive
>>71079601
But everyone can agree the process started when he had to help his father in the hospital
Reminder that the best cut is the 7 hour 30 min chronological remaster of 1 & 2 edited together.
>>71078242
delet this
>>71079612
it's obviously b
even Michael didn't realize that Roth was against him until later in the movie and he's supposed to be some sort of criminal genius, Fredo didn't realize his greedy fuckup almost killed his brother until after it happened
>>71077878
>random jewish guy betrays you because muh Moe Green
It's no surprise you hold such opinions if you didn't even understand the movie
>>71077454
he's not a war time consigliere
>>71077833
underated adolf
>>71079667
that's retarded
hey let's watch Pulp Fiction in order even though it was intentionally out of order too
>Fredo. You're my older brother and I love you. But don't take sides with anyone against the Family again. Ever.
Imagine getting threatened like this by your little bro. Damn...
>>71079667
Is this the cut that was premiered on HBO recently? I need to take time to watch it. Doesn't this have extra footage as well?
>>71079334
>>71079334
Here's the character in the movie literally explaining to your dumbass why he betrayed Michael. Now stop posting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Weaop_aiTg&ab_channel=Movieclips
>>71079679
Michael knew it was Roth at least as early as Cuba, what are you talking about
This post is a shout out to my bro Frank Pentangeli
>>71079751
His assassination attempt was before Cuba, you don't even know the movie you so eagerly shit on for "being confusing"
>>71079651
>>71079679
But how does Fredo "just being naive" fit with the fact he wants to replace Michael. Wouldn't the only way to replace him be to kill him?
>>71079748
Then he's not "just naive"
>>71079751
He suspected Roth but didn't know it was him until Fredo let it slip.
>>71079683
Then explain his "real motivation" if it wasn't Moe Green
>>71079655
and everyone can agree that Fredo betrayed Michael because he felt stepped over and not taken seriously
>>71079724
What? It's completely different. Unless you've never seen them individually, which you should first, the 7 hour is brilliant.
>>71079725
Yeah I think so, they have new footage that was unused and never before seen, I downloaded the movie online, I don't even have HBO in my country.
>>71079829
No, he knew it was Roth, which is why he had already arranged to murder him. Fredo's comment didn't confirm that it was Roth, but that it was Fredo who had betrayed him.
>>71079802
You must be replying to the wrong person
>>71079940
or he was just naive and got "tricked"
>>71079860
His motivation was that Michael was his competitor and he wanted to take him out. It was much larger than Moe Green.
>>71079940
I don't think Fredo sold out Michael because of any malicious intent. You're right that he was tired of being a joke, but he never wanted to harm Michael. He was just too stupid and naive to understand what was happening and he got played by Ola and Roth.
>>71079960
But it's a different movie. 2 was a sequel and was made the way it was for a reason. Not saying the recut is bad but it's more of a novelty than anything.
>>71077523
>not a war time consigliere
>not a Sicilian
>>71080118
But wasn't Coppola behind the creative process of editing the two films together? Or is that just a meme
>Fredo literally explains his motivations to Michael
>this dumb ass still doesn't understand why he betrayed Michael
Enough /tv/ for this month
>>71080159
Doesn't matter, directors age like milk not wine.
>>71079069
this is mine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qHXloT9FNk
>>71080263
I suppose, but if he was truly behind it that would make it, to me, less of a novelty and more interesting
>>71079261
>reply to me directly
Woah woah big guy! Is this the greasy italian mob roleplay thread? Can I be a tough guy too? xD
>>71080208
>he was just stupid and naive
>he wanted to kill Michael and usurp him
pick one
>>71080263
he edited this around the time he made Apocalypse now though
>>71080351
Don't EVER fucking reply to me again
>>71080353
not mutually exclusive, he could want to take over and still be naive, since it got him killed plus nobody would follow a moron like him
>>71080268
this was put together by George Lucas
>>71080385
I only reply through Buffers
>>71080353
Don't think too much; you might short your keyboard with all that drool
Why didn't we have threads like this before?
>>71080394
>>71080463
so he "naively" plotted his brother's betrayal/murder?
>>71080704
I don't think he wanted to murder his brother, just saying that murdering him while being naive is possible.
>>71080561
Yes this is one of the better godfather threads I've seen in some time
>the reality of this thread
Don't you people realize how retarded you are? Fuck
>>71080704
He probably thought that Hyman and Ola were going to do something to scare Michael and make him step down. Then, with his conections, Fredo was going to get a really nice part, even come up as one of the big bosses. After the assassination he got paranoid, especially after seeing Michael out for blood. He was naive and stupid.
I always wanted more Deniro's Corleone and more of him in middleage dad mode. Not more of ruined Michael.
A criminal's lack of family morals in exchange for power (even if for the sake of his family) is pretty much the standard nowadays. Every criminal is some badass, it makes me want more of Corleone holding his children.
>>71081723
Except Vito's lack of morals ended up getting two of his sons killed and forced the remaining son into a life of crime.
>>71081800
lasted for a long while though.
And it was a nice family.
>>71082637
2 sons killed while relatively young
daughter's husband beat her and then was murdered
surviving son forced to take over crime family, his son was killed (although who gives a fuck about 3), anyways his wife left him for being a mob boss
Vito was a more complete person than Michael but still a scumbag that doomed his family to a violent outcome
>>71082799
for his circumstances he did alright. He failed, yes. He was heartbroken when he heard his good boy soldier son became like him.
The sons killed... well, whatyougonnado foggetabotit
>>71082799
Meh, you're too much of a moralfag
>>71080561
kek
>>71082991
>>71082994
just pointing out that Michael's moral failings only came about because of the terrible situation his father forced him into
Vito could have chosen a hard but moral life, but instead chose to be a criminal.
I think the best part about this movie is how most of the characters are based on real-life historical gangsters. Its always fun to try find out who was based on who.
>>71083180
yes it's true, but they were different and the difference is what Michael pondered in 2 and why we see the flashbacks
You just hate Vito. What has he done to deserve this disrespect?
>>71083318
I don't hate him, but people have this retarded notion that there is such thing as a noble gangster.
>>71078298
>rightinthefeels
>>71077719
Thats sort of the point. The movie is basically Michael trying to run the family but failing at every turn, in the end he ends up alone. You watch the first film and see him as some kind of badass gangster genius, then you realize he was never as strong as his father.
>>71077833
No, Fredo is
>>71080268
GONNA HAVE A MONTAGE
>>71077675
absolutely this
however, the Deniro scenes as an intro to the first Godfather make it even fucking better
>>71080561
>>71080828
for a very long time the only posts about The Godfather and 2001 were kids or trolls making threads about how shit and boring they are
literally those threads were made more than once a day for months on end
>>71080561
because you were too busy with your traitorous friends watching big black cocks
>>71078558
If you can't understand that the whole trilogy is about Mochael than there's no helping you. You are forever a pleb.
>>71077878
>Part 1
>actual conflict between rival families
>Part 2
>Actual conflict within the family
Ill fix that for you, you fucking retard, or did you fall asleep with all the fredo bits
>>71078887
By contrarians he means the anons saying part II is shit. I mean, it's completely understandable to like the first one more, even to think it's better, but to outright say the second part is shit is the definiton of contrariansism.
>>71080395
No it wasn't, he just shot the newspaper shots.
Hyman Roth was a shit-tier character.
Literally the worst element of part 2.
>>71083742
is there a version of that cut somewhere on the internet?
kinda curious now
>>71078558
>part 2 fucked up on "being about the family" when it literally goes back and shows the creation and evolution of the family and contrasts how things were with how they are now
>>71077454
Part I = Part II > Part III
Fight me.
>>71084302
>implying he wasn't a great villain
THIS IS THE BUSINESS WE'VE CHOSEN
>>71084302
https://youtu.be/_g9RI0GgRIQ
this scene is literally shit tier
>>71085185
is any part of this hierarchy controversial?
this is a pretty standard opinion
>>71085233
WTF, it's one of my favourites. Pacino is amazing in it. I always get chills when he hits her face.
>>71085248
There are Anons in ths thread with us who believe part II is better than part I (or vice versa).
But even Coppola said that I and II are basically one story and part III is just an inferior "expansion pack".
Who'd win in a fight?
>>71085335
Just the contrarians and baiters of usual. People do anything to get yous and hot opinions are a very easy way
>>71085339
Vito was a much better godfather.
Michael didn't even want to become one.
>>71077833
he fucked sonnys widow after he died. so no i dont think hes the biggest cuck
>>71078000
The character of don fanucci is more realistic than you apparently think. A medium fish in a small pond. We've all seen it. Having every character in a movie be like that would suck, but if everyone were highly intelligent then there would have been no way to have don corleone realistically muscle his way up the ladder.
I personally like I better, but don't crap on II like that. If it's behind I, it's not by much.
>>71085373
It's so good to find a decent human being on 4chan.
You just made my day, cosa nostra!
>>71077833
Fredo was canonically bisexual and let his wife get fucked to get some respect
>>71077937
>Every performance in both movies is top notch. There isn't a single weak performance in the Godfather Part I and II.
this
>>71078100
>Hell they couldn't even bring back the original actors they wanted.
>Clemenza
He asked for like a billion dollars even though he was just a side character
>>71079667
>>71079725
Godfather Epic was shit tho
it made me truly appreciate the editor
>>71078493
its a shame what part three was suppose to be if it wasnt for the money issues with the actor that plays hagen. I wouldve loved to see the storyline with him against michael.
>>71079341
if you went to a restaurant with a fucking toilet that flushed like that you'd fucking remember
>>71079724
well the books came out in the order that the 7 hour cut was made
>>71085681
nobody gives a fuck about the books
>>71085724
I do (different Anon, by the way).
Is there a character anymore pathetic than Alfredo?
I still remember him dropping the gun and scrambling on the ground for it when his father got shot.
>>71085467
johnny ola and his pals would fuck Fredo's bimbo wife so Fredo could have some friends and then she became out of control assuming she could flirt with other men (beggining of II)?
Was that a part of their sexual voyeur thing where they went around watching big dicks fucking cuban women?
Part I = Part II
Part II is god tier. I think Part I is slightly better. Not by much. I'd place it higher than Part I if Clemenza were there instead of Frank.
Part III is the epilogue. I personally don't think it should've been made. There was public interest in the mafia in the late 80s/early 90s due to the Commission case and the shit going on with John Gotti.
Plus it annoys me to no end that the first 15 minutes of Part III is just archive footage.
Was fredo the police officer who shot the guy during the baptism scene?
>>71086997
Fredo couldnt aim a gun, hold a gun, dress himself, tie his shoes and find the target in time
>>71087035
yeah but the way the police officer aimed and held onto the gun felt like it was someone who fucked up before and was trying really really hard to make sure his shots would hit even though it was a pretty close distance (from the streets to the steps)
>>71086997
That was Al Neri.
Fredo was a neckbeard. He got elevated to underboss due to nepotism. He could've just stayed comfy and banged all of the cocktail waitresses he wanted.
In the end...no. He wasn't SMAHT.
