>>71072864
the fuck is deborah? was noodles deniro?

>>71072864
I'm halfway through this. I had to turn it off because I didn't have time to watch it.
Is the second half better? First half was great

>>71072935
>the fuck is deborah?
The girl who became an actress.
>was noodles deniro?
Yes.

>>71072936
I thought the whole thing was great. Don't read the spoilers.

>>71072864
>Did Max understand that Noodles ratted him out to protect him (before Noodles told him during the finale)?

So I was about to ask if you even saw the film but then remembered there are like 10 different versions.
For everyone in this topic, if the cut you watched was less than 4hours 10minutes, you need to rewatch it

Anyway, with that said, Max played Noodles the entire time
Noodles thought he set Max up, but Max was in on it the entire time and faked his own death to screw Noodles over

>>71073077
Nah I watched the 4 hour version, I guess I'm just retarded. I split it up into 3 sittings, so maybe I forgot.

Anyway, why did Max want to screw over Noodles? And the rest of his gang for that matter? Is he just straight-up greedy?

Also when Deborah became his mistress, she must have realized Max screwed over her childhood friends. Is she okay with this? Or is she just a whore? I'm sorry I'm so hung up on Deborah but like when she was a teenager she was literally letting all the guys have sex with her and then refuses Noodles. Why? She's a huge whore otherwise.

>>71073364
I haven't seen it in over a year, but if memory serves me right, yes Max was just greedy
I think he felt Noodles was holding him back

And I really forget the whole thing with Deborah
I think Max convinced her that this was the best course of action or something, but in her mind I think she was protecting Noodles
Or getting him out of her life for the whole rape thing

Fuck I can't remember, I need to rewatch it at some point

watched this the other day

what are some other movies like this?

>>71073802
Gangster
>Goodfellas
>Godfather Trilogy
>Casino

Similar Leone
>Once Upon A Time in the West

>>71072864
I don't know why Noodles raped her. That puzzled me, as well. He supposedly loved her, then went all greek system on her.

>>71073802
Pretty much this: >>71073940
I remember being meh about Casino and Godfather 3. Most people like Casino though.

>>71073995
leone explained it and i can't remember exactly what he said and i might be confusing what he said with what jodorowsky said about raping his wife on their wedding night, but something along the lines of rape out of love

>>71073364
What? She didn't let anyone have sex with her. You're confusing her with that whore from the building who had sex for cupcakes, and who had sex with Noodles too. She later went on to become Patsy's wife.

>>71073995
>>71074445
He did love her, but he couldn't be satisfied when she would leave him for her career and gave him only a kiss out of pity, after all he'd done for her. So he raped her as an attempt to show her all he felt for her in the only way he knew how. Remember, this is a man who spent most of his life in jail, and was raised poorly. Compare this rape scene with the one where he rapes the girl in the bank, who later started dating Max. It's completely different in tone and sense. Deborah's rape is violent and wrong, but it's made by a man who cannot stand without her.

>>71075658
Wait...

Wasn't Deborah the girl that Noodles was spying on through the peephole, who showed him her butt, and then they hooked up in the bathroom? Wasn't she the same girl who asked him to bring her an ice cream sundae in return? She was doing ballet, she wanted to be an actress.

Also I thought she was the same girl that the cop was fucking, whom the gang then framed, and then they each had sex with the girl. Was that a different girl?

>>71077165
They were different girls, man. Deborah was the ballet dancer Noodles was in love with, and who latter became an actress. The girl who fucked for cupcakes was named Peggy, she was the one who fucked the cop, whom the gang framed, and then each had sex with the girl. Peggy later married Patsy, and became fat.