Best WW2 movie ever?
>>71032667
that's not inglorious basterds
>>71032667
>>71032702
Hello, reddit
>>71032667
Best war movie yes
Second best wwii movie to longest day which is #1 longest day broke down wwii on the tactical startegic and human level in a way spr only really excelled in the human aspect
yea
The Thin Red Line
/thread
>>71032667
>blows up a tank with a 1911
I turned it off as soon as the tank exploded
>>71032791
I regret to inform you that your punctuation has been lost in combat.
>>71032895
gr8 b8 m8, no h8, i r8 8/8
Saints and Soldiers
>>71032946
More like lost on mobile
Fury without a doubt.
Stuff like Saving Private Ryan and basically every other WW2 send the same tired message. Heroes rising to the occasion to murder a bunch of big bad nazis.
>>71033008
The malmedy massacre scene was good but it sadly descends into schlock from there on out
>Dat final battle in Ramelle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivkylNL6Oq4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU_NZIGMTA0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o2nq_2WBRE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o2nq_2WBRE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL4VM1aOr7Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGOuEyl1snM
>>71032667
Antigerman trash movie
>>71033052
That end battle though.
Went very Hollywood very quickly
>>71032895
.45 ACP stopping power.
>>71032667
>hollywood flick
>best ww2 movie
hahah oh wow
Casablanca
>>71033052
fury was mediocre as fuck terrible ending
Honestly it was good and bad.
Spielberg's D-Day invasion was great. The rest is not good.
He used the same exact shit in Band of Brothers.
Not to mention the German situation was hopeless in the west. They literally sent 15-18 year olds to fight becuase they were scraping the bottom of the barrell.
once you understand that most of the fighting was one sided in favor the allies that movie is just hard to watch.
Just Allied soldiers shooting teenagers that were outnumbered 10:1
Bunch of plebs ITT
Downfall
>>71033052
Fury was the same shit but tried desperately to shove the whole "WAR IS HELL" trope down your throat.
I swear to god every ten seconds I felt like someone was just beating me over the head with a bat with that written on it's side.
"GET IT VIEWER? WAR SUCKS! LOOK! LOOK AT ALL THE BAD SHIT WE MADE HAPPEN SO YOU COULD SEE THAT? "
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>>71032667
only if you destroy every other WW2 there is
>>71033052
>Heroes rising to the occasion to murder a bunch of big bad nazis
but... that's exactly what happens in Fury. that's the end scene, exactly. they even take pains to point out the guys they're killing are SS and thus actually nazis.
Big
Red
One
>>71033115
10 Americans killing 100 000 000 000 germans
>>71032733
>>71033210
This. You just can't deny that russkies made the best WW2 movies of them all.
>>71033699
What about that Einsatzgruppen movie?
>>71033783
>Einsatzgruppen
Which one? Come and See?
It's pretty great but I like those two more.
>>71033553
Not even Sinatra's best WWII film
>>71033637
yup
I rly like Stalingrad (German movie)
>>71033052
Looking back at it, most WW2 movies honestly mostly never try to glorify war.
This includes Saving Private Ryan. Hell, the plot point of the movie was to try to get Ryan out of the war. And the soldiers are reluctant throughout the whole movie to save Ryan too. The Germans aren't vilified as big bad nazis in the movie either, they're just the enemy soldiers our protagonists have to fight.
>>71032667
Letters from Iwo Jima.
>>71033517
well it does
>>71033052
Fury was pretty great, but it did get a little ridiculous at the end when it basically became 300 2: America's Revenge
>>71035375
I know but I feel like Fury tried too hard.
Saving Private Ryan doesnt feel like it's trying to convince you the whole time. And the Nazi's arent cartoon bad guys either.
>>71035444
how were the nazis in fury cartoon bad guys, all the stuff that was depicted like the killing of irregulars who tried to surrender actually happened. They also made the point of distinguishing between german army and SS as "the real assholes" while also not showing American GIs in a particularly positive light, did you forget about that scene when they execute a german soldier in cold blood after he already surrendered? That was clearly not meant to be seen as a positive thing, but rather a reflection of how deadened they are to murder.
I really thought the early sections of fury were when it was strongest.
are there any good ww2 films about the war in the pacific? Preferably something recent as well.
>>71033052
did you turn it off 2/3 of the way through?
Das Boot.
>>71035622
it didn't need to be 8 hours long
>>71035265
This. Clint Eastwood did a fucking masterful job and the soundtrack is orgasmic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSGva04yOic
How soon until the naziboos show up in the thread?
>>71035768
they already have, look no further than that guy who said saving private ryan was bad because it was about americans killing germans
As for series Band of brothers and The pacific are really good.
>>71033783
That would be a very much too dark to be made in America, it would have to be made in Europe or Russia. Einsatzgruppen actions were beyond fucked up
>>71035662
I didn't mind the 293 Minutes run time of the director's cut. I wish they would release the original mini-series one day in North America.
>>71032667
Patton (1970)
>>71035582
I don't think the movie did a good job at distinguishing between the SS and the Waffen-SS, acting like the "SS battalion" were those evil baby killers from before that hanged women for not fighting
>>71035622
It's a long way to Tipperary,
It's a long way to go.
It's a long way to Tipperary
To the sweetest girl I know!
Goodbye, Piccadilly,
Farewell, Leicester Square!
It's a long long way to Tipperary,
But my heart's right there.
>>71036042
The movie didn't try to paint them as the "real nazis" it just established that they were fighting a battalion of real soldiers, not a bunch of reserve kids or something. And then one of the SS was an actual person who refused more violence. They weren't more evil than anyone else in the movie.
>>71032895
stupid frogposter
come and see, hands down
this isnt thin red line
>>71032895
>Muh SLOW boolits xDDDD
>>71037353
>a monkey poster
My personal favorite
Ivan's Childhood
![Edmure-Tully-Profile-HD[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/zOdHf5e.png "Edmure-Tully-Profile-HD[1].png")
>It's a "war" movie without action and shooting
>>71038107
jarhead
>>71035619
The Pacific
Flags of our Fathers
Letters from Iwo Jima
The Great Raid
>>71038013
reddit tier
>>71032791
>best war movie
>2nd best WWII movie
pick one you fucking retard.
>>71032880
>The Thin Red Line
>WWII movie
>>71033052
dropped in 20 minutes
![Bitva za Sevastopol .mp4_snapshot_01.48.10_[2016.06.20_17.09.47].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/LEcNKsh.jpg "Bitva za Sevastopol .mp4_snapshot_01.48.10_[2016.06.20_17.09.47].jpg")
windtalkers
>>71032895
It was made by angels though
Kelly's Héros and The Great Escape
>>71032667
>all the plebs in this thread
The Ascent
The Human Condition
The Cranes are Flying
>>71036607
Great ww2 show showing the perspective of German soldiers and Officers.
The first combat scene were that kid takes a round to the gut and screams out in agony while everyone watches horrified was brilliant.
The best WWII movie was Triumph of the Will.
Prove me wrong
>>71032880
the only correct answer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCmlOhsIwBk
>>71035619
Mister Roberts
>>71033052
Yeah, sure. That fucking Tiger going full retard against those sherman instead of using his stupid effective fire range was glorious.
schindler's list and inglorious basterds.
>>71040478
Name of show.
>>71040460
>The Ascent
Very good.
Kelly's Heroes
>>71040141
ok, why?
>>71040760
Generation war, its 4 episodes long but they're the size of movies.
>>71040760
>name of show
generation war, Germany's attempt to have a greatest generation wankfest too. You can tell how big a chip on their shoulder they have by how far out of their way they go to say NO GERMAN SOLDIERS WERE NAZIS, THEY ALL HATED NAZIS, NOPE THERE WERE NO NAZIS HERE, ACTUALLY THE POLES WERE ALL NAZIS THOUGH THEY FUCKING HATED JEWS, HAVE I EVER TOLD YOU HOW ANTISEMITIC POLES ARE???
When in reality not everyone in the german military ascribed to the nazi ideology that all actions taken by a german were justified because of inherent german racial superiority, but many did.
Despite this though its not bad.
>>71040576
great movie
>>71040460
>the cranes are flying
love that one
>>71033327
This. The landing is great, the landing is a war movie. The rest is some generic and unrealistic adventure with war as the backdrop.
BoB is much better. Though I guess it could be argued that the Western Front was really less about defeating the Germans as it was about liberating as much clay in the land before the Russians.
>>71040918
>>71040970
Thanks.
Yeah I know about all the German hang-ups about it.
>>71040970
Yeah, that show was weird. Basically all the characters got seduced or tricked into Nazism. On the other hand Poles are mindless antisemites and Russians just dumb animals.
No wonder Germans liked that shit.
>>71033699
I would expect soviet made WW2 movies to be nothing but propaganda. Partisans bad, germans bad, glorious beaten down heroes of the soviet better then all the allies, fuck your treaties europe is red now, did the germans rape you?! no?! EUROPE IS RED
yeah nah
>>71032895
>doubting the power of the .45
9mmfag please fuck off
>>71041154
you should really watch the cranes are flying
>>71033115
Based BAR gunner, fucking wreking their shit.
And he LIVES at the end.
LOL @ Melish
Talks shit about being Jewish to the Germans the entire movie and gets exactly what he deserves.
![stalingrad-movie-poster-1993-1020206548[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/F492glt.jpg "stalingrad-movie-poster-1993-1020206548[1].jpg")
>>71032667
That's not Stalingrad
>>71041278
Ill give it a watch.
The problem with WW2 movies is they dont bother trying to tell the truth. In fact, a few movies lie deliberately. like pic related
>>71032667
Why type of pistol can blow up a fucking tank?
>>71041401
please do, its definitely one of the best soviet made films and though it focuses mainly on the lives of russian civilians during the war it is incredibly brutal and not shy about showing things in a negative light
>>71041465
while the tank was rolling through the town they snuck up on it and placed ieds on it, he shot one, but you already knew that since that pic doesn't even show him blowing up a tank
>>71033115
>Medal of Honor: Allied Assault copies this exact fight
>also copies das boot
>and bridge too far
Fuck that game was fun to play
>>71041465
>>71041504
Tank takes a bomb for a P51 Mustang
really fucking good tbqh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS12isLjS5w
That's notGrave of the Fireflies
>>71032667
The Pianist
>>71032791
what did he mean by this, /tv/?
>>71041504
>>71041533
Sigh, it was a /k/ meme but since both of you failed I will go back there.
>>71041656
don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out
>>71041656
Sorry to have failed you, Anon.
Please don't go ;_;
>>71035265
>>71035687
Too bad he doesn't like color.
>>71041596
>nuking japan instantly changed it from a warrior nation obsessed with MUH HONORABU DEATH to a victim nation obsessed with pacifism and how everything that happened to them was so completely unfair
those things must really be something
>>71032667
La Grande Vadrouille.
>>71041401
Eh, I liked the Pearl Harbor Attack and Doolittle Raid in the movie though.
It's just the fucking love story and the characters in the movie that ruins everything.
>>71041596
I wish the Japs would stop kicking themselves for trying to celebrate their WW2 heritage. They worship the Samurai (considering they do a 50 episode samurai drama every year) when they all agree they were corrupt assholes. Why can't they do the same with WW2?
It seems like every WW2 movie they make gets shit on by leftists, koreans, and the chinese. Even their WW2 "cute anime shipgirls" gets called republican propaganda.
Fuck sake
>>71041754
Iwo Jima is a bleak brown and orange shithole, so it fits perfectly.
>>71041773
All memeing aside, it kinda makes sense. The surrender completely shattered their national conciousness, and the fact that they revered the Emperor as a living God also had a lot to do with it.
Nigga had never even spoken publicy to his people before Japan surrendered.
A God basically said over the radio "sorry lads, we've lost, Americans beat us, please understand"
surprised not to have seen A bridge too far mentioned yet, wonderful film in terms of scale
>>71041805
you know what it was, they were trying to recreate Titanic by having a long love story that unfolds before an impending disaster which seemed like the perfect formula to get both men and women interested in the movie
didn't really work, but I agree that once the shooting starts it actually becomes a good movie
>>71033327
>>71041014
He used Rommels Asparagus backwards.
The wood part is supposed to come first so it would flip over any landing craft on a high/low tide.
In the landing scene, the wood is on the opposite side with the metal part holding it up first.
Fucking Jewberg.
>>71041826
Zipang was alright, all the modern naval surface warfare porn in it was pretty great
>>71041805
>The scene that shows the Japanese planes attacking the hospital caused a great uproar both in Japan, and among Pearl Harbor veterans. The reason is because it never happened. The Japanese pilots were under strict orders not to attack civilian targets, and survivors note that even when they had a straight line of attack, the Japanese did not once attack the hospital itself. The adding of this scene was, according to the director, done because it made the attack seem more barbaric.
America needs to get over this "pearl harbor was barbaric\day of infamy" shit. They lost less men then two battleships put together, and a bunch of ships from WW1. It gave them the perfect excuse to get into the war, and the theory is, Roosevelt intentionally antagonized the Japanese for exactly this reason.
The worst thing was not getting the war declaration in time. Someone should of eaten a wakizashi for that fuckup.
>>71041873
It totally is. No matter how much you shell it, you can't kill all the green and the sun's light on a Pacific island.
>>71041930
>my fictional films must be documentaries
You're one of those "lol i'm so geeky i know this one fact" people. Obnoxious as hell.
>>71033102
I agree.
A real strong film that sadly devolves into empty action.
>>71041330
>GERMAN KILLS A RUSSIAN WITH HIS FIELD SPADE
>GERMAN SHOOTS ANOTHER GERMAN ON ACCIDENT.
>START FREAKING OUT
>"It's alright, I did it once too."
>"Aim for the big one!"
>TAKES THE BIG GUYS BOOTS AND PUT THEM ON IN THE MIDDLE OF A BATTLE.
>RUSSIAN SLUT STRAPPED TO A BED.
>"We'll go by rank."
>PICKS UP PPSH
>"Here, they're better than ours, they don't jam."
>VOLUNTEERS TO PUSH CART FULL OF EXPLOSIVES
>"We'll definitely get the Iron Cross for this!"
>AIR PLAN DROPS A BAG OF SUPPLIES.
>IT'S JUST A BUNCH OF IRON CROSSES.
Based.
>>71041949
>and the theory with absolutely no proof that has been disproven multiple times is that Roosevelt intentionally antagonized the Japanese for exactly this reason
fixed that one for you idiot, the embargo was done in hopes that it would get the Japs to withdraw from China, we didn't even fucking care if they kept korea and manchuria. It was however a massive failure and misread of the situation by the state department because withdrawing from china was absolutely untennable for the jap government and it had the opposite effect.
Curiously though, the misread by the Japanese government was even worse. The Japanese government was completely dominated by the military and not the diplomatic corps, so all they did was look at a map and see that US control of the Philippines made them vulnerable so they decided to attack america and take it. But since they had no interest in listening to their diplomats they assumed America was a weak decadent democracy that would crumble instantly in the face of a few quick defeats.
>>71041773
>warrior nation obsessed with MUH HONORABU DEATH
No. That shit was out of vogue for at least 200 years prior to the 20th century. The Meiji Restoration ended that shit for good, and it was pretty much dead anyway. Shit like the Satsuma Rebellion was very isolated - Samurai during that period were book-keepers.
The Japanese Imperial govt brought back the "samurai ideal" as war propaganda for WW2 - most of it spread by politics branches of the military govt\kempeitai etc. It was no different from all the "aryan purity\masterrace" propaganda of germany - they wanted to whip their army into a frenzy.
Also, most people dont know this, but there significant opposition groups within the military and the govt, opposed to the war, and fanatically for the war - there was even an attempted coup detat before 45.
The bombs just hammered the point home. Japan had nothing left, they knew it, but the leaders needed to be convinced - the bombs did that.
>>71042091
>>AIR PLAN DROPS A BAG OF SUPPLIES.
>IT'S JUST A BUNCH OF IRON CROSSES.
Was that an homage to A Bridge Too Far?
>>71042027
I pointed out ONE thing relax, senpai.
But other than the beach landing the ending of the movie, it sucked.
>>71040478
>>71036607
Only wehraboos thought that pile of shit was good. Your morons would have crucified the same show with different uniforms.
Especially over retarded scenes like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLtxQWOvz_k
>>71041949
Lying about the hospital seem does seem pretty fucked up.
>Le conspiracy that Roosevelt is responsible the whole thing.
While it was perfect that it got the US into the war, saying that Roosevelt is the one that set up the attack is pretty stupid. Sanctioning Japan for massacring China is a perfectly reasonable thing to do.
It is a day of infamy because it was a sneak attack. Even the Japanese acknowledge that they fucked up by attacking before the war declaration got there.
>>71042153
>MFW I join the Japanese team in RO2
>>71042158
Not sure, haven't seen it.
Battle of the Bulge was okay.
"Let them sing."
>>71035619
Letters from Iwo Jima is great.
Not a movie, but the tv series "The Pacific" (8 parts I think), is phenominal.
>>71042112
Dude, they were preparing for war against Japan as early as the thirties. When Japan openly disregarded the Washington Naval Treaties, the US started putting plans together to stop whatever they decided to create.
Read about the Alaska Class Cruiser sometime.
>>71042202
god that scene was so fucking dumb
any of you guys ever go look at ww2 propaganda cartoons?
of course, the ultimate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzH1iaKVsBM
and this one about indoctrination of youth in germany really gets to me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l14WDZCnz-w
>>71042202
They're kids who think that TV show was the first one to have the Germans as the protagonists. They think it's somehow edgy and amazing.
I wonder how stupid and deluded one has to be to compare it to Band of Brothers. In any sense, whether it's the production value, writing, acting or general premise. In its core it's just another average German TV drama.
People who want to see a nice anti-war film with a German WW2 perspective can watch the above posted Stalingrad.
>>71042262
The fact that Japan started disregarding the naval treaties is a pretty worrying sign in of itself. Building up your own forces is not completely unreasonable even if you don't plan on going to war.
>>71042262
>Dude, they were preparing for war against Japan as early as the thirties.
have you ever noted the symbolism in the great seal of the united states? Look at how the eagle (symbolic for america) has clutched in one talon an oak cluster (symbolic for peace) and in the other a bundle of arrows (symbolic for its military strength/will to fight) now note that the eagle is facing the same direction as the oak cluster. It is right there on our seal that America is a nation that is looking towards peace but ready for war.
>summer is coming
>time to rewatch the pacific
Sometimes when it gets really hot outside and inside, I can taste the sun, bright light and stale water.
>>71042410
>>71042441
Yes and No.
Germany disregarded the Treaty of Versailles and the Washington\London Naval Treaties (they weren't invited), but made a new treaty with Britain to limit their navy to 3to1 in numbers vs Britain (RN 3 to KM 1). Hitler then decided to build...things.
America, on the other hand, stuck exclusively to the WNT on their limit of treaty cruisers. UNTIL the word of German "pocket battleships" and Japanese "Super Cruisers" - they then broke the WNT to create the Alaska Class
They broke their own treaty they agreed too
>>71042528
They only designed it. The Alaska-class wasn't even laid down until the war kicked off and they weren't even launched until 1944.
That doesn't sound like they broke the treaty.
>>71041314
>Talks shit about being Jewish to the Germans the entire movie and gets exactly what he deserves.
>literally one scene
>he deserves to die for being mad at the germans for killing his people
man I miss the days when /tv/ wasn't a fucking sewage drain from /pol/.
>>71042366
My favorite isn't necessarily a propaganda film, but rather, a really ominous one called 'Peace on Earth' that came out months before WW2 started.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNBadjq-nXk
Also, it got remade in 1955. Both are kinda metal for a kids cartoon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7lJV8IX1ig
I accidentally the last two.
>>71042572
I guess thats a good point - the Alaska Class was pretty terrible overdesigned junk whose purpose was invalidated by aircraft anyway.
But my original point is - they were preparing for a possible war with Japan. And Roosevelt did antagonize them by blocking oil shipments, and embargoing them. Did he just expect that their massive military and fleet was gonna go home and sulk?
>>71032895
this
>DUDE, FUDDYFIVE LMAO
Fuck off faggots, it's not funny.
>>71042593
>Hey look a Hitler Youth knife.
>Well now I'll use it to cut my Jew bread.
>Shows his star of david to marching POWs.
That's two scenes, senpai.
Anyways, he pulled his knife out first and then got overpowered and it was used to kill him.
He got what he deserved.
>>71042696
Preparing for war is not the same as seeking out war.
And as others have said, sanctioning Japan for their actions in China is a reasonable thing to do. The point was exactly to try to get them to go home and stop.
>>71042790
>How dare he despise the people murdering innocent people that he happens to share an identity with.
>>71042907
>individual soldiers that got drafted into the war are rampant Jew murderers
Yep and he personally dropped the atomic bomb on the Japs and massacred all the Indians
>tfw no cute Hayabusa gf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS12isLjS5w
>>71042810
That depends on how you look at it. The US saw everyone but them arming up for the next war - Japan especially. Japan then goes on to start dominating everyone in south-east asia, and I'm sure everyone was wondering if they'd stop before Australia - China is in the midst of civil war, and the US is dealing with two different govts there.
Roosevelt knew what he was doing. The world was going to war again, and the US was gonna have none of it. I don't think he specifically foresaw Pearl Harbor, otherwise he likely wouldn't have been cannibalizing the pacific fleet for Britain and Russia. But he likely figured Japan would not just take the embargo lying down, and would likely do something about it.
In the end, it was justified - I'm definitely not rooting for the Japanese, as they were doing pretty fuckin' awful shit in China.
>>71043043
you know when you post with pictures like that it makes me not want to read anything you wrote
>>71042937
>Hitler youth
>Drafted
>Wehrmacht who were completely complicit with all the bullshit Germany did
>Literally only felt bad about it when they were losing
>Would have happily kept murdering people wholesale otherwise
>Someone belonging to the group they targeted the most for slaughter hurts their fee-fees by being on the opposite end of a lethal exchange and winning
Wehraboos are the saddest cucks alive.
>>71043091
I can post anime instead. I'm just posting my japanese ww2 pictures
>>71043106
You should be saying...
>hitler youth
>among an ost battalion unit
>>71043202
Yeah, that was stupid as fuck, but I was more addressing the source of the butthurt from the /pol/tard that gets triggered whenever germans are portrayed as anything other than paragons and terminators.
>>71032702
cmon, i like tarantino and even i think ur a pleb
>>71032702
better than Saving Private Ryan but the best is pic related
Did anyone else see Unbroken, what were your thoughts on it? I really liked the parts in the lifeboat, but the stuff in the prison camp wasn't really that great.
Though one thing from that film that really stuck with me was when he goes to Tokyo to make a radio broadcast for their propaganda station and they show Tokyo as being so modern that it might as well be New York. Then later on in the war after its been bombed they're brought in to clear rubble and the entire city's just gone, there's nothing left. That really got to me.
>>71040657
t. Tank combat expert
Nothing comes close to this
>>71043333
>muh French resistance
>we totally didn't get completely memed in every way possible
lmfao
>>71043333
that's not Dead Snow 2: Red vs Dead
>>71043282
>Yeah, that was stupid as fuck
Thats why I can't take SPR seriously. It isn't researched at all. Shit is thrown in because of story, not realism - which is stupid because the whole point of the movie is realism.
>>71043373
Is there tits in it?
>>71043418
welcome to war movies in general, regardless of what country they're made in. 99% of them are inaccurate crap trying to push a narrative. It's very hard to find neutral movies, let alone accurate ones. Even now, the only two war movies I've really enjoyed are Gettysburgh and Tae Guk Gi.
>>71043442
Oh yes
>>71032667
one of the worst, actually.
horrendously overrated.
>>71043468
>Gettysburgh
Best Part: Stephen Lang and Jeff Bridges
Worst Part: Martin Sheens rather weak performance
>>71043510
>Pretty much solidified the shaky-cam-in-every-action-movie-forever trend.
For no other reason than that I truly, truly despise that fucking movie. It ruined action movies for everyone.
>>71043418
>the whole point of the movie is realism.
Where does it say that? Nowhere. You people are so retarded, there's no help for you.
>lol i'm a geek, dis is supposed to be realistic
>ha ha i read this on wikipedia and some posts on 4chan i am an expert on this topic
>how dare they create a really stylish and beautiful film, lol it's supposed to be realistic for realistic wikipedia/4chan historians just like myself
You're on a film board, idiot. If historical accuracy is more important to you than the cinematography, then you're an even bigger idiot than I thought.
>>71043510
>overrated
idk about that, the main thing its remembered for is the normandy scene because it was the first time a movie had really shown just how bloody and brutal that really was without trying to sugar coat it in any way
>>71043468
what's wrong with pushing a narrative?
>>71043567
>a masterpiece of cinematography, so unique that countless other films copied it
>gets mad at it for being original
What a simple minded idiot you are.
>>71040532
It was a piece of mindless propaganda.
>>71043569
Fuck off Spielberg. Band of Brothers was better.
>>71043597
>the main thing its remembered for is the normandy scene
Honestly, I'm not even trying to be snarky, but I didn't even find that very impressive, and it's then followed by the rest of the movie being utter drivel.
>>71040532
It's boring as shit, but it's really pretty.
>>71043551
I didn't think Sheen was too bad, but he did seem to lay it on a little thick with the southern aspects(Accent, mannerisms, etc.). They just seemed kinda forced and plastic, while everyone else seemed a lot more natural about it.
Granted it's a hard role in a movie of that scope and scale, so I don't fault him too badly on it. Gettysburgh is one of the few 'proper' war movies, IMO. It set a much higher standard by focusing more on the strategy and people, rather than the spectacle of warfare(While still having plenty of it.).
I couldn't imagine such a movie being made nowadays. I'd walk out of the theater the moment Hans Zimmer-style music or dubstep started; Or shaky cams during the battle scenes, or any of the other ridiculous bullshit like marvel one-liners or whatever stupid crap managed to be crammed in. Lord knows they wouldn't treat it with any authenticity either.
I was gonna say Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade but it's set in 1938.
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>>71043700
well, how old were you when it came out? It really opened the flood gates for allowing more explicit and brutal violence in war movies.
>>71043622
>Masterpiece of cinematography
I know you're baiting, but shaky cam got so popular because it's a fantastic, extremely cheap way of covering up really terrible choreography/CG/acting during action scenes.
>>71043753
I saw it after watching Band of Brothers, probably what makes it look comparatively bad.
>>71043727
no war movie has dubstep, stop making things up so you can get mad at them
>>71043727
The Civil War is out of vogue. Any stories told about it from now will be primarily about slavery
>>71043569
>Make a historical film
>It's historically innaccurate
>'lol it's just a movie who cares look at the explosions xD'
Well at least we know the target audience of SPR.
>>71043774
yeah, that would explain it
but you couldn't have had band of brothers with saving private ryan
>>71043777
>Fury
>Dubstep/orchestral/random nazi chanting music.
>>71043794
I wouldn't mind that if they were actually accurate about it.
Don't forget that civil war movies up until Gettysburg were always pretty shitty in general. The war for independence, too.
>>71043794
and we have Gods and Generals to thank for that one, a movie so unbelievably shit that it killed off all interest in the civil war.
Anyway I'm hopeful that free state of jones will be good, I like Matthew Mcconaughey.
>>71043379
Yeah, because everything totally works out for them at the end of the movie. Retard.
>>71043868
Glory was really good.
>>71043800
>i watch films for their historical value and I get my history facts from films
You're so pretentious, it hurts.
>>71043874
I honestly have decent hopes for it. If they tell the story right, it actually has a lot of potential for being a good movie.
But there's a good chance they'll fucking ruin it too by going the hollywood route. The real story is great enough on it's own and doesn't need embellishing or unnecessary flair
>>71043874
>Gods and Generals
Yeeaaahhhh...
I was really hype about Lang playing Jackson, and it seemed like he did well - but that just may be my fondness for him. I can't remember anything else about the movie except for too many scenes at home, and it just seemed to drag on and on...
>>71043910
I'll give you that, Glory was actually pretty good.
>>71043922
>Goes to a historical film wanting fantasy instead
Just watch lord of the rings if you want 'le epic big war scene'. Historical movies that shit all over the real life stories they're leeching off of for a buck are not only disrespectful as fuck, they also end up making really shitty movies anyway. It's one of many reasons why SPR sucked ass. It was just a flashy pleb movie; The 'transformers' of it's time.
>>71043922
Hey fucknut, some of us actually enjoy reading history. When movies come out about history we know, we'd like the movie to reflect facts, not made up bullshit because the director thinks things need to be more barbaric.
>>71041826
Agreed, I'd love to see 3.5 hour epic depicting glorious victory at Nanking.
>>71043442
>>71043500
And how. Bush too. There's even a penis.
>>71043763
Why would he be baiting? It is a masterpiece of cinematography and editing, more than ever in its whole first section. The blind dislike of ''shaky cam'' is a pleb thing.
>>71044122
Why not? America celebrates the nuke.
>>71043500
>>71044182
Yay!
>>71044208
>Blind dislike of shaky cam
The only thing I'm blind to is what the fuck is going on in a scene that introduces that trash.
HURRR WOW ITS LIKE I'M REALLY THERE HAVING A SEIZURE IN THE MIDDLE OF A BATTLE!
>>71044045
So your kind is not interested in cinema but as an appendix. Things aren't bad by default because of historical inaccuracy.
>>71044309
>this post
Yeah, you're just a pleb prone to headaches.
>>71044045
According to your logic I could read a history textbook and say it's shit because I like artistic novels more and its not written well and catering to my needs.
>>71044014
I don't see what Lord of the Rings has to do with your inability to appreciate cinematography and instead focus on completely irrelevant and minor things related to a film. Maybe if we were on the history board, your "arguments" would hold up, but not on here.
>>71032667
Probably something done by the soviets.
>>71044240
We mostly just stopped worrying about it.
>>71044351
>headaches
Please. I don't like shaky cam because when I pay to see a movie I want to actually see the movie. Any retard can take a camera and waggle it around so you can't see how shitty of a job the director did at actually directing an action scene. I'm not paying to see trash like that. When I go to see a movie I want to SEE the fucking movie.
>>71044388
>muh cinematography > A story actually being believable
>in a movie with some of the worst cinematography in it's genre.
>So bad they had to cover it up by shaking a camera around and starting a trend that every talentless hack emulated since then, separating people that can actually direct from those that can't.
>>71044311
>>71044388
>do a movie about the Battle of Jutland
>movie is instead about a black sailor who single handedly punches out Franz Hipper, because whitey is trying to block the peaceful relocation of his oppressed people
Movies about historical events need to stick to facts, and bring those facts to life through film.
Making shit up, or intentionally altering facts for agenda is shit.
Exception, the work is open about not being about facts, like Inglourious Bastards, etc.
>>71044444
Do you not realize that the shaky cam in SPR was to resemble a person's POV?
>>71044444
The slightly unstable shots were meant to give the film a more realistic look, trying to achieve the specific look of those war correspondent clips. If you think it wasn't done tastefully then I pity you. Just because your mind can't distinguish well done and original thoughts from the cheap rip-offs, doesn't mean other people can't.
>>71044514
Yeah, no. It was intended as a way to cover up the fact that Spielberg is a hack that can't do good action. It's a gimmick in every sense of the word, and made the movie far worse with it's presence.
I'm genuinely surprised, I've never seen someone actually shill for shaky cam before. It's such a universally hated thing in movies and is commonly accepted as the calling card of amateurs.
>>71044510
The only thing historical in SPR was the D-Day landing. You can analyze the shit out of that all you want.
But the rest of SPR was a fictional story that just so happened to have WW2 as its background.
>>71033225
I was going to say this.
>>71044606
Fictional yes - set in a backdrop of WW2, with the selling point of realism. They weren't going to john wayne the fuckin' movie, or neglect the gritty aspects.
But it was still poorly researched. It was great when it came out, but BoB makes it look terrible.
>>71044531
>I-It's so you can feel like you're there!
Well congradulations. It doesn't feel like I'm there. At fucking all. Maybe just stick to doing shitty disney flicks about aliens and friendship instead of ruining the action genre by releasing a B-rated war movie with a big budget and the camera skills of a 12 year old to cover up the fact that you've never done anything remotely like a real action-orientated film before so don't know how to actually cover said scenes in a way that actually looks nice.
>>71044583
Well shaky cam in the POV of soldiers had never been done before in war movies. It was something new when SPR had done it.
If I wanted a still cam of soldiers moving up the beach, I would have watched The Longest Day.
>>71044606
You're arguing with someone who wants all films to be documentaries.
>>71044583
Name one war themed film which used unstable tracking shots, desaturized colors and high-shutter speed and the other cinematographic techniques to achieve that look before SPR.
>>71044749
>>71044583
>>71044510
>>71044482
>>71044444
>>71044045
>>71044014
Who invited these plebs? Literal autism by the definition of the word.
You are not fit for art because of your medical condition.
>>71044787
>who wants all films to be documentaries
NO
I want War Films to stick to facts, and not make shit up for agenda. Distorting history is the fabrication of lies.
kino
>>71044770
And which movie do you think is better?
>>71044840
>Likes the war movie equivalents of transformers
>Calls other people plebs.
>>71044880
You could argue some of the fine details that were inaccurate in the movie like what weapons they used, what tanks they used, or even what were the ages of the soldiers were different of what it was supposed to be.
But what in Saving Private Ryan was so offensive that it distorted history?
>>71035265
>Realistic depiction of war
>well paced and not a snoozefest
>humanized the "bad guys"
everything else is objectively wrong
>>71044909
Well apparently everyone including critics and real veterans thought the beach scene in Saving Private Ryan was better.
>>71044974
No actually, I just said I have a hard time taking it seriously because it wasn't researched, an oversight for a movie going for realism.
Specifically, Pearl Harbor and Enemy at the Gates purposefully changed the historical fact. In Pearl Harbors case, because Bay wanted shock value (depicting attacks on civilians that never happened), and in EatG, because the historical end to that duel was rather boring for the screen.
Does it bother me? Yes.
Is it a huge deal? Not really in the case of Enemy, but its a huge deal in the case of Pearl Harbor.
The act itself is more the problem. Hollywood uses movies to push politics and agenda, and historical films should be free of that shit - distorting facts for agenda is the fabrication of lies.
>>71044880
>Distorting history is the fabrication of lies.
How retarded are you to take your history facts from films?
>>71045089
>B-But it's popular!
And CoD is the best game franchise. I'm a vet and thought the scene looked stupid as fuck.
>>71045177
You're a WW2 veteran? How old are you?
>>71045177
Real veterans from D-Day thought it was good. And I'd rather take their word for it.
I didn't know grandpa was browsing 4chan.
>>71045170
He showed how retarded he is through the last hour. 'A lot' doesn't cover it
>>71045170
I dont.
But normies do.
And there are a lot of people in these coming generations, especially in america, that aren't taught shit for history in school, and grow up learning "facts" from movies, and video games.
>>71045177
Is being a vet supposed to give you credibility? You're just lucky fodder and a big pleb to boot
>>71045152
Following that chain of replies says you're referring specifically to SPR.
Tell me where it says SPR was going for realism. Tell me what part of SPR wasn't thoroughly researched or what part of it was a huge deal that you couldn't take it seriously?
>>71045227
I'm a huge fan of SPR and its cinematography, but I find it hard to believe that the landing scene is 100% accurate and authentic.
First of all, if you look at the real location, the distance between the shoreline and defender's positions was much greater in real life. The film makes it look like the landing happened on a 100 meter strip. Like it was really condensed within a small area, with soldiers within arm's reach.
Again, that's not a bad thing for the film. It was a deliberate artistic choice and it greatly transferred to film. But the people claiming that it was 100% authentic need to give it a rest.
>>71045261
>Uses vets as credibility source for war movies
>NO BEING VET DOESN'T COUNT ACTUALLY.
>>71045214
>>71045227
No, not a WW2 vet obviously, retards. The point I was making was that being a veteran has fuck all to do with legitimizing a shitty war film. The scene on the beach didn't suck because it was 'inaccurate'. It sucked donkey dick because it was filmed like utter shit to cover up the fact that the director doesn't know what he's doing with this kind of movie. It's not cute. It doesn't make you 'feel like you're there'. It's a shitty gimmick meant to keep plebs in the theater when a scene is run like shit by simply hiding the scene and making half of it undiscernible so you don't laugh at how retarded it looks and ask for a refund.
>>71045266
>Tell me where it says SPR was going for realism.
The whole intent of the movie? Otherwise, why show men with their guts hanging out on the beach? The D-Day landing has been done before in film - its never been represented as "real" as it was in SPR
>Tell me what part of SPR wasn't thoroughly researched
Specifically, the hitler youth in the ost battalion thing. There was also a weird confusion with the 101st regiments, specifically that Ryan was in - Its been a while since I've seen the movie, but it crops up about the time they meet nathan fillion in that rain soaked town - anyway, something about them questioning guys with the correct helmet markings for the regiment ryan is in, but they apparently dont know what regiment that is (101st regiments used card suit symbols on helmets - heart for 502nd, spade for 506th, club and diamond for 501st and 327th) - anyway, they have the symbols on helmets for the regiment, but reply as if its another regiment - something like that, can't remember the details.
Its little shit like that.
>what part of it was a huge deal that you couldn't take it seriously?
The lack of attention to detail for the purpose of authenticity. Something that Band of Brothers never had a problem with
>>71032702
18+
>>71045373
>>Uses vets as credibility source for war movies
It uses WW2 veterans.
>the fact that the director doesn't know what he's doing with this kind of movie.
How do you know Spielberg and Kaminski weren't exactly set out to to achieve that sort of look? Pro-tip: they were and that's why it looks like that. I suggest watching or interviews with them where they talk about the decisions made to achieve that certain look.
>>71035634
This tbqh
>that scene where they're running through he tunnels and hear something above them before being burned alive by the flamethrower
>>71033411
-the management
>>71043410
>Dead Snow
Reminder that foreigners can only experience this movie on a surface level, as the entirety of the humor and dialog is based around dialects and non-translatable vocabulary.
>>71045429
lol ur such a geek, us geeks right? XD
> Something that Band of Brothers never had a problem with
Way to out yourself as exactly the type of person you've been countless times accused of.
http://www.101airborneww2.com/bandofbrothers3.html
>>71045508
>How do you know they didn't do it on purpose?
Of course they did it on purpose. I never said they did it by accident. I'm just calling it what it is: A means to cover up shitty directing. No decent director is going to intentionally fuck up an important scene by taking away your ability to watch it. No good director is retarded enough to think that trying to make you 'feel like you're there' is a remotely achievable concept.
>>71045373
Your credibility is into check, not any other's. That this pathetic display is put on for an excellent film like Saving Private Ryan shows easily who is the pleb.
Stop roleplaying, btw, babby.
>>71045429
So stuff that is literally nothing. Shit that literally did not affect the plot of the film in any meaningful way.
Also, they said Ryan was in the 506th. Just looked up a vid showing him with his helmet and lo and behold he has a spade on his helmet.
>>71045599
>shitty directing
>spr
>"le shaky cam don't allow me to see anything"
wew lad
>>71045599
Except taking away your ability to watch it is precisely what they were going for if they were resembling a soldier's POV. You really think soldiers under fire were able to see everything coherently?
>>71045599
No one will take your film criticism seriously when your arguments are "it's shit". Secondly, where did Spielberg say he wanted you to feel like you were there? I don't remember any such quote. All I remember is that he tried to achieve a certain sharpness as if WW2 was filmed with modern cameras, but with an "aged" look.
>>71045589
>http://www.101airborneww2.com/bandofbrothers3.html
Oh? It did have authenticity problems?
Interesting, I'm gonna give this a read.
Nothing I saw seemed out of place, but I don't know every single thing.
>>71045613
>So stuff that is literally nothing.
Thats why I said, here >>71045152 that its not that huge an issue, but I have problems taking it seriously, vs other things.
> 506th.
>spade on his helmet.
Right - they meet some other 506th guys earlier, either in the rainy town, or later at the field hospital, who also have spades, but dont seem to realize they are also in the 506th. As i said, I can't remember the details.
The only time they made a reference to patches in the movie was the dead 82nd guys, which did have the AA patch, as opposed to the 101st eagle
>>71045675
But if I want to play make believe soldier I'll play a video game.
A movie is a medium where you have to WATCH what's going on. Hence why SPR is shit, and your tastes are shit. Enjoy the next transformers.
>>71045739
Of course it had authenticity problems. Does that make it any less amazing? No, it doesn't and anyone who's watching Band of Brothers for its historical value is an idiot. Even that guy who nit-picks some of its historical facts says that. He only did it to clear up some things for those who want to see additional details and who are interested in an extended, authentic story.
>>71045739
So who cares if the other guys were in the 506th? The point was that they were trying to find a Ryan in the 506th. So it actually makes even more sense that the Ryan they found(Nathan Fillion) was mistaken for the real Ryan.
Again, what problems do you have taking it seriously?
>>71045819
I dont instantly hate it because the cadence was wrong, or any number of a hundred things in this article.
>>71045859
Haven't I said what my issues were like three times already?
Honestly, if I'm being really honest. I think my biggest issue with the movie is I've probably seen it too many times
>>71045764
Except that it wanted you to watch through the POV of a soldier. You say that concept wasn't achievable and yet people praise Spielberg's directing for it.
>>71045894
Well at this point the only reason you've given me is because of the Hitler Youth thing which is so miniscule. And that is why I find it baffling that that's the only reason you can't take SPR seriously.
>>71032667
Cross of Iron. Really authentic, none of the 'good guys going rambo' bs, and one of the few films that actually show the Germans as human beings.
Also, Come and See. From a Russian perspective, it shows best the brutality of the war, escpecially on civilians.
