>The first R rated DC Animated movie
>Kevin Conroy
>Mark Hamill
>One night only theatrical release
http://www.fathomevents.com/event/batman-the-killing-joke
Is anyone else going? I've been following the development of this for years. I am so hyped I will get to see it on the big screen. I'm going to bring an extra large bag of spaghetti for this one.
capekino confirmed
Looks like absolute trash. Must have spent too much money getting the voice actors back to put any budget in the animation.
It's really funny for those iconic shots when they go from their cheap-ass style to tracing Brian Bolland. I feel for anyone that was looking forward to this trainwreck.
1st r rated? wtf, was flash paradox not rated r?
trailer looks like absolute shit
>>71008704
Flashpoint was PG-13
>>71008250
>Kevin Conroy
>Mark Hamill
It literally can't be bad then.
>tfw accidentally saw that shit with the voice actor for Bender as Joker and ended up vomiting, partially because to many cups of easy mac but also partially because of how bad it was
>>71008677
>>71008724
>visuals
Who cares? It's about the plot and the voice actors.
>>71008250
What the fuck is The Joker holding?
It's like a LeMat, but then it's all wrong because there's no loading rod or anything. Who the fuck draws this shit?
The animation looks shitty worse than almost all of the other DC animated films.
>>71009017
>Who the fuck draws this shit?
Someone who isn't autistic about gun part details.
>>71008250
>One night only theatrical release
I'm going to assume it's US only, so I won't be seeing it in cinema. Which is a pity, I wonder what kind of an experience something the quality of Batman TAS would be when seen on the huge screen.
They should have hired Japanese animation studio like Madhouse to do the animation for it.
>>71009133
Mask of the Phatasm was shown in cinema and it's the closest to true Batman kino that they're ever going to get.
So fucking tired of the "Mark Hamill is a good Joker" meme.
>>71008250
The animations looks like shit
>>71009224
He's in fact the best joker. I'm sorry for your shit taste anon.
>>71008763
wow. wonder woman literally hanged children and batman shot zoom in the head on camera
>>71009050
Actually, now he mentions it, the barrel does look a bit off relative to the handle.
That said, >>71009017
It probably looms different enough to avoid copyright issues, or patent. I assume gun design is an intellectual property like any other?
Even Youtube shorts have better animation
>>71008868
its an animated movie based on comic books a genre based almost entirely on visuals. to pretend otherwise is willful naivete... stop trying to flailingly defend this turd
>>71008868
>why would you care about the visuals in a visual medium? are you some sort of retard?
>>71009415
Visual quality is a concern for MBTI sensors who don't have the mental appreciation for actually important non-sensory things like plot.
>>71008868
What's the value of doing an animated movie if you're not going to do it well? It's already an exceptional comic and this doesn't even try to live up to that.
>>71009050
Who draws two barrels for no reason whatsoever?
You wouldn't draw a car with two steering wheels for no reason, would you?
>>71009297
That makes sense with old black powder guns since you'd ram the powder and ball inside of the cylinder without taking it out of the gun, but this shit here makes no sense at all.
Hackfraudartists/10
>>71009017
maybe you meant ejection rod?
>>71009224
His Joker in TAS was great. I'm not a huge fan of making him this dark as shit Joker like they did in the Arkham games.
>>71008250
They should have just outsourced it to the Japs, who then outsources it to South Koreans, who then again outsources it to North Korean Ex-pats working in bunkbeds on tablets for 16 hours a day.
>>71009487
>You wouldn't draw a car with two steering wheels for no reason, would you?
I wouldn't care either way. If it has a few wheels and it looks like a box holding people then the artists did their job.
>>71009464
no, the comic's great, you can't change that
nonetheless, the animation looks awful
>>71009497
Could be an ejector rod, but why make it the full length of the barrel and hollow?
>>71009552
maybe the animator thought the gun had 2 barrels, I dunno
>>71009187
>>>/no/
>>71008250
Animation looks like ass. Why did they decide to be cheap for such a well-liked story?
>>71008868
>Who cares about visuals in a visual medium!
Long time comic geek.
I'll be the one to say it:
The Killing joke is shit.
>>71009524
Yer a liar, this looks like bottom of the barrel trash just like all the other straight to video Batman cartoons.
At least the Teen Titans one looked alright.
>>71009487
>>71009552
It's just visuals it doesn't matter. If you can tell that it's supposed to be a car or a gun then they've succeeded. It's not like looking at better details make you feel better like a cigarette or ice cream would, you just want to nitpick to feel superior to whoever drew those images.
>>71009545
Not him but I was taken aback by how bad it looked in the trailer.
Fucking HBO Spawn looks better.
>>71009655
>elder god tier
I haven't read that one but to me that would seem like flawed writing. The villain is supposed to be the one you're routing against.
>>71009655
>joker
>great tier
Nah. Pretty good rankings otherwise
>>71009637
>Animation looks like ass. Why did they decide to be cheap for such a well-liked story?
Because they know that people will still see it.
>>71009655
overrated, of course.
shit, no.
also your scale is shit too. come back when you grow out of your teens
>>71008250
>I've been following the development of this for years
But they only announced they were working on it last year
>>71009655
>I'll be the one to say it
You're late to that party mate.
>>71009791
I think you would enjoy Transformers more than anything discussed in this image or thread.
>>71009930
Moore said it was shit because he was still thinking about the Comedian from Watchmen when he was writing the Joker. It kinda explains the whole World War speech.
>>71009258
memory problems? or just bait?
>>71009997
If you just bend the story so that the heros are doing something stupid while the villains are always right then your book is broken as shit.
>>71009808
Scale is perfect. Don't give me the Tommy Lee stare.
>>71010011
it kind of doesn't.
>>71009487
>Copyright issues make sense because black powder.
Wuh...?
>>71009258
PG-13 stuff in America
dat implied rape though, dat triggers censorswhat if one of the minor changes they make is showing actual rape?
>>71010011
no he said it was shit because he wanted Batman to kill the Joker but DC wouldn't let him
>>71008250
Whats the whole big deal of "The Killing Joke"? Its not even canon, all its notable for is its shock value
>>71010083
>muh edgy, pointless MOM'S GONNA FREAK villain motivations are superior to both reluctant and retribution plots
also Alan Scott is a fag now so congrats, homosex domesticated the power that domesticated the Starheart. Do you feel progressive yet?
>>71009930
As much as I enjoy his comics, he's a fucking insufferable piece of work.
>>71010244
but it is canon, the attack and paralysis lasted for years before reboots
>>71010244
>Its not even canon
It definitely is canon though. That's why they had Barbara Gordon in a wheelchair afterwards.
>>71010244
it's like when you read Batman Year One, it doesn't seem like a big deal NOW but back then it wasn't common and became very influential over time.
>>71008250
Bruce Timm himself hated The Killing Joke. It's too bad they couldn't have gone with a better Batman story.
Troy Baker does Mark's Joker vice better than Mark.
>>71010397
Is the Joker origin cannon though? That's the most interesting part of it. The whole batgirl torture comes off as tryhard by the writers, and just reduces the character of batgirl as a plot device
>>71010341
he's not that good, he's probably a cynic who never truly enjoyed the medium but recognized it had advantages he could exploit, and that he did with Miracleman and Watchmen. But I think most of his contempt is aimed at his audience, he probably thought of himself as a novel writer who couldn't get published and had to resort to comic books instead as some sort of step down.
>>71010543
from what I can tell so far, Jared Leto's gonna do the only voice to rival Hamill's
>>71010226
Batman arguably does kill the Joker though.
>>71010123
I meant the offset "barrel" being an ejector rod for cartridge revolvers makes sense.
>>71009017
It's a Colt SAA drawn by an animator from memory.
It probably only gets a few seconds of screentime.
>>71010638
correct, both Moore and Grant Morrison agree he kills the joker at the end
>>71008785
Under the Red Hood was great fuck you
>>71010553
>and just reduces the character of batgirl as a plot device
Batgirl got more interesting as Oracle.
Fact.
>Is the Joker origin cannon though?
No, he even says if he has a backstory he'd prefer it to be multiple choice, he's so deranged he'll make up anything, same for him telling Harley his dad beat him
>>71010553
Batgirl was a shit character anyway
DC should just stick to their animated films, they're miles better than the live action shit
>>71011124
Batgirl Year One is great
>>71010898
>Colt SAA
only the drum looks like a SAA, the barrel's too wide and nobody would misremember the ejector rod looking like a second barrel or extending that far away from the drum
not that any of it truly matters of course, I'm just a bit disappointed the animation isn't better. This was the exceptional return of Conroy and Hamill, it deserved a bit of a better effort.
>>71009464
>Watching comic movies for plot
lol
>>71011293
It's a western cartoon. The characters have the same problems.
>>71010909
But thats was the best part of it. I might catch flak for this but I agree with most of the criticism the story receives for Joker sexually assaulting batgirl,
My issue isn't that its not something the Joker isn't capable of, but when she was originally introduced as a character before "The Killing Joke" the tone of the comic and of Gotham was more , for a lack of a better word, "camp", where these type of situations wouldn't occur to Batman's sidekick. As the tone evolved to a more serious and dark some character portrayals evolved while others didn't. If the Jokers action become more homicidal and violent then Batman's actions should change as well, and he shouldn't have child sidekicks like Barbara and Tim Drake who are put in the crosshairs.
I know people will say its just shows how fucked up Bruce is that hes willing to have children sidekicks and put them at risk, but thats just a lazy excuse.
I'm not against Barbara becoming paralyzed in the line of fire, to me the torture and sexual assault doesn't fit in.
>>71008250
Why does every animated DC movie look absolutely horrible?
>>71008868
I forget that every brand has brain dead corporate drones like this. It's impressive actually
>>71008250
>that gun perspective
People actually get paid money to draw this poorly
>>71011586
Are Marvels any better?
>>71011075
>I'll need some guys... not these guys because well they're kind of dead *laughter*
THE ABOVE IS AN ACTUAL BENDER-JOKER QUOTE FROM THAT PIECE OF SHIT "MOVIE."
>>71011580
>I agree with most of the criticism the story receives for Joker sexually assaulting batgirl
it's implied for the most part, and Moore is a known degenerate anyways who's capable of writing in rape in a story about elderly eunuchs.
The tone was fine, having problems with one type of violence but not another is just inconsistent if you're going to praise the story anyways.
>>71011697
they're significantly worse and DC's were the best out there but the quality has significantly diminished in the past couple of years
>>71010445
But its just shock value. It doesn't add anything to the Joker's character that hasn't already been done in "A Death in the Family". All it is is torture porn.
i literally could have animated this movie better
>>71011075
>>71011945
MORE ACTUAL QUOTES FROM WHAT IS OBJECTIVELY THE WORST BATMAN MOVIE EVER:
>I don't know what clouds your judgement worse, your guilt or your antiquated sense of morality.
>Bruce I forgive you for not saving me. But why, why on God's green Earth is he still alive?!?!
>*laughter*
>Gotta give the boy points! He came all the way back from the dead to make this shindig happen!
>SHINDIG
>>71012117
>But its just shock value.
yeah, that was the point, to shock Gordon into becoming deranged.
Also I don't see how it's torture porn when nothing about it was explicit, I'm not going to defend it saying it was "necessary" or some other bullshit, all I'm saying is that it's consistent with the rest of the story and there's no particular reason why it would stand out unless people are looking for a reason to be mad at it.
>>71012008
The potential Joker origin was interesting, the whole batgirl torture didn't really add on to the character of the Joker that hadn't already been done in "A Death in the Family". It just took a decent character and shitted on her.. Even though she became a better character later it still could of been done with out going to the extremes in story.
>>71012294
but the story is not Joker's origin, it's Gordon overcoming the Joker's musical number and Batman failing it. Barbara being the catalyst is only that, it could have been another tragedy with a different character as long as it justified both outcomes.
>>71009258
You need to have excessive use of the word "fuck", rape, boobies, or impalement to get an R rating. Impalement is the likely why Matrix Reloaded is rated R and why they chose to shoot Zoom in the head instead of pic related.
>>71012250
The sexual abuse wasn't specific, but the physical abuse was.
Its just bad story telling though. I know most incarnations of Batman he is portrayed as having a "no kill" rule, which is done to keep him from becoming the things he fights against, thats fine. But theres no reason why he should try to prevent Jim Gordan from killing Joker, or have Gordan morally against killing Joker. Gordan isn't a vigilante, he is a cop who is legally allowed to kill people in certain situations. It can be argued he is legally justified to kill Joker as a cop to prevent him from harming others, and he is definitely legally justified as a citizen to kill the Joker to protect his himself and his family from bodily harm.
Thats my issue where the antagonists are allowed to evolve and do different things but the protagonists still act like boy scouts even when they are put in situations that it is impossible to act in that way.
>>71012807
>But theres no reason why he should try to prevent Jim Gordan from killing Joker
did you even read the book? Gordon tells Batman NOT to kill the Joker and he kills him anyways, that's the joke.
>>71010585
Don't talk about stuff you don't understand.
Will this be the ultimate Batkino?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZmXK87tWlQ
>>71008868
Nigga, film is a visual medium
>>71013180
holy fuck
>>71012919
Batman didn't kill the Joker
>>71009655
I fucking hate this chart so much. Formulaic villains that don't serve the narrative are shitty and the way every one of those tiers is described makes them all sound formulaic.
>>71012603
Why the fuck would he use a sword when he has a gun? Also how does he not avoid a sword?
>>71013608
>Batman didn't kill the Joker
>the last panel of the book is literally Batman choking the Joker out
sure thing m8.
It's what Moore always wanted to write into the story but the brass didn't allow him to. With the way the panels were set up it can be ambiguous enough to not think that he did it, but he did it, otherwise the story doesn't really have a full catharsis
>>71013710
I'm so sick of explaining this to people who don't read the Flash.
Eobard Thawne uses a kind of negative speedforce and can use it to steal the Flash's speed by interfering with his speedforce. The trade off is that he can't do this and use his negative speedforce for superspeed purposes. Bat dad was able to skewer him because he was diverting his negative speedforce into stopping Flash from moving.
>>71013801
>but he did it, otherwise the story doesn't really have a full catharsis
Because joker didn't show up back in other Batman comics later on and Barbara Gordon wasn't paralyzed.
Give a fuck what Moore said.
>>71013801
yea...no
>>71009997
>comic book fan being condescending
Oh, boy. Don't you know capeshit and comics are on the same level as transformers, kid?
>>71013904
>batman's got joker by the neck
>the laughter stops at the end
>joker's not dead
c'mon man
>Because joker didn't show up back in other Batman comics later
The Killing Joke was never meant to be in continuity, the only thing they took from it was Barbara's paralysis
>>71014267
Batmans arm is on on his shoulder, and his shoulder is noticeably below his neck. Its an interesting theory but the hand placement and the angle of Batman's arm doesn't support it
>>71014267
>The Killing Joke was never meant to be in continuity
Ultimately it is, so shut the fuck up.
>>71013218
>muh visual medium
Visuals are just tools to help tell a story. The plot is all that matters.
>>71014267
Fuck off. The Killing Joke is widely recognised to be the Joker's origin story.
>>71014457
>Ultimately it is
no, ultimately it's not because it's been retconned to shit.
it's such a poor argument, the story is the story whether it went into continuity or not
>>71010412
Yeah but she got brought back to normal in Nu-52
>>71013608
>>71013904
In this moment, the joke makes batman realise the joker is impossible to rehabilitate. Batman is the prisoner extending the light bridge. It would never work, and the other prisoner (the joker) refuses his help, but for different, equally insane reasons
The final shot acts as an analogy for the joke itself. The light reflection on the puddle is the light bridge, with the police cars comming. The light bridge is the ineffectiveness of the justice system
The final shot is also the first shot. the story is a full circle, but im not sure what the significance of that is. Maybe it reflects batman and the joker doing this dance over and over
An animated film would, in all likehood, look over this, and several other moments that make the comic into the one of the greats. Withouit these moments, its essentiall just grimdark edgy shit, which the film, im afraid, could be
>>71014495
it's the same book that established the whole "my past is multiple choice" bullshit, rendering the whole failed stand up, impersonating the red hood part of the story just a tangent.
>>71014642
The Joker wasn't telling us his origin though, it was just a facet of the story.
>>71008250
I would go if the animation didn't look like complete and utter dogshit.
How are they making TKJ a movie? The comic was only like 30 pages long.
>>71014385
>Batmans arm is on on his shoulder, and his shoulder is noticeably below his neck.
In the panel where you can still see them. There are panels where you don't see them. It's not like it's impossible for him to move his hand from his shoulder to his neck you retarded autist. Grant Morrison says he killed him, so he killed him:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wQ2x0OKBjU
>>71014689
yes, that is my point.
>>71008250
Mouth breathers. All of you. The only thing worse than all this capeshit is DC straight to dvd cartoon capeshit. You people make me sick.
>>71014752
What I'm saying is that still makes it his canon origin story even if he has more than one.
>>71014774
It's Mark Hamill and Kevin Conroy you idiot. You can't have anything bad come out of that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4Q-MS_oFkw
>this was the last animated theatrical Bat film
What the fuck happened to American animation?
Not showing at my theatre. I'd watch it.
>>71014796
but it's not. The part about the former red hood falling into a vat of chemicals was already canon and the story explicitly tells the reader that the previous stuff about the struggling comedian and the "one bad day" shit is unreliable.
also they're about to explain the canon origin in the comics over the next few months
>>71014938
wasn't this one outsourced to Japan anyways?
>>71014981
>the story explicitly tells the reader that the previous stuff about the struggling comedian and the "one bad day" shit is unreliable
Prove it.
Also
>New DC is going to establish his canon origin 20 universe resets after the Killing Joke
>>71009017
>all this autism over what may very well be a toy joke gun
>>71015021
Probably but at least it wasn't outsourced to flash
>>71015053
>Prove it
that's the "multiple choice" quote. that's what it means.
>New DC is going to establish his canon origin 20 universe resets after the Killing Joke
yeah, that's how retcons work
>>71015143
>That's how retcons work
It's like you think I consider anything after CoIE canon.
>>71013180
kek, it looks better than the KJ movie.
>>71009017
>Americans
>>71008250
>can't even translate Brian Bolland's art
Meanwhile in this Zeller's commercial
http://youtu.be/pi5qoxxQpMY
The Batman Beyond movie was the best
>>71009791
No, the protagonist is the one you are for. And that can be a villain by definition.
Also, the best stories aren't black and white, but rather have a lot of grey area in the roles.
The animation looks like shit
>>71013828
It's not just that, but The Flash and Eobard are still just human with human senses. Unless they're intentionally going fast they can still be snuck up on.
>>71013801
>Batman's story is about catharsis.
Yeah, okay. I think we're reading different comics.
>>71015824
Yeah he can still be snuck up on, but there have been instances where speedsters have dodged bullets and shit as it touched their skin because they felt it. He didn't because he wasn't able to at that moment.
>>71008250
>I've been following the development of this for years.
it hasn't even been announced for that long
>>71015947
Sure, but they were also in combat situations, where they were aware of danger.
>>71014726
>Morrison's opinion
>on something by Alan Moore
I like them both, but c'mon man.
>>71008250
It is rumored to have a ridiculous amount of SJW shit in it, so I'll pass.
Expect the R rating to come from using the F word every sentence like SJWs love to do, and some shitty rape scene.
>>71016496
>SJW shit
How would they do that when it's nowhere at all in the source material?
Who exactly are the WB executives that are in charge of DC properties? And when can they be replaced by people who understand why Disney is raking in the cash with their Marvel products and translate that into success with DC properties?
>>71016544
Because it's 2016.
> tfw even their DTV animated movies are circling the drain
If Marvel Studios can fart out talking raccoon and Ant-Man movies then I am convinced that the problem with DC is not in the characters but in the higher-ups and it might be a tall pyramid of incompetence.
>>71016635
DC thinks it can shoehorn their characters into shit without building anything. Same shit Sony and Fox did. Fox universe isn't as bad as Warner because they already made a bunch of X-men movies but their continuity is completely fucked up and they couldn't add the Fantastic 4.
>>71016544
they're inserting some stuff with batgirl that isn't in the book
