Can we please just stop and seriously talk about this?
WHAT THE FUCK is wrong with critics lately? How have they gotten THIS out of touch with mainstream audiences?
I mean have we finally reached the point where we just have to do the opposite of what they recommend all the time now?
Should we always assume low rated movies are actually good and high rated ones are bad?
Someone help me make sense of this because I shit you not, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
>>70991165
>is it a Disney movie?
>no, sir
>k I'll just bash it
Armond White is the only true movie critic left.
Get a job and go see any movie you like without relying on the opinions of those who take them too seriously
>>70991165
Honestly unless you're a Blizzdrone Warcraft is completely worthless.
What 25yo adult with no link to the franchise will seriously be thrilled by such a bland movie?
>>70991165
>little evident cinematic value
These are the same people that praise the Marvel movies. Wrap your fucking head around that.
I haven't seen this shit. but why did it bomb if they put a billion dollars behind it?
>>70991165
> critics should exist to validate audiences scores on flicks
Audience scores in RT are high. People who watch only a dozen films a year are more easily impressed than people who see +150.
Also RT isnt a score. 29% means that 29% of critics gave WC 3/5 or more. Thats it.
>>70991165
I always watch a movie first and then read the reviews after.
I just watched a movie today, Creep. I thought it was a good movie. Checked to see what critics thought of it.
Does this mean I'm out of touch with mainstream audiences? Is that even a bad thing to be?
You're most likely not going to judge a movie like a critic will. Remember that movie critics are the most blue pilled massive beta cuck pro Jewish liberals in existence. They will rate something like Roots as perfect in order to appease the gods of betacuck liberalism.
You absolutely cannot listen to critics. They have zero integrity and taste.
>>70991165
>Warcraft is shit and gets a shit review
I fail to see the issue.
But just because you like it doesn't make you crazy, it just means you're an easily pleased fanboy who'd probably give 5/5 for a movie that was one of the orcs having a three hour shitting session. You'd say how greasgreast it was his shit was close to canon, you'd say how masterful the sphincter physics were, you'd tell us all about the twist ending where you think he won't wipe yet instead uses a lore accurate bidet.
>m-muh critics are out of touch...
are you fucking autists seriously this fucking sensitive? how are critics "out of touch"? how fucking hard is it to understand that warcraft was a fucking mess that only made sense to the autists that live and breathe it? that's not out of touch, that's shitty filmmaking
>>70991205
>Armond White is the only true movie critic left.
this is fairly true. even if he's a little up his own ass, and i rarely agree with him, he's very capable of making a cogent point.
>>70991231
No, nobody praises Marvel films. Marvel films get 3 or 3.5 star reviews. Only Marvel films with over 70 metacritic are Guardians, Civil War and Iron Man 1. The rest are around 50 to 60.
Because it was cringy as fuck. Shit acting and story tbqh, even for vidya based shit
>>70991165
I remember the BvS daily threads where some disneyshill kept posting a pic with the RT scores of all Marvel and DC flicks to laugh at DC fanboys.
I just can't imagine what kind of deranged mind couldn't see the corruption of that image. IM3 over 70% fresh, Thor 2 over 60%, just insane. Critics were never relevant but with internet, they may as well stop existing
>>70991165
You just need to go with the audience score. Truth is, 9/10 you will probably agree with the average score. Consider the imdb top 250. Looking at that list, wouldn't you agree that 90% of them deserve to be there?
The critics aren't even the problem, the problem is people putting any weight into their opinions.
>>70991350
Shouldn't you be posting an epic tinfoil hat meme? Or your evans.jpg?
>>70991350
>70991350▶>>70991420
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found the marvel drone
>>70991165
Warcraft is complete shit and if you like it you have the taste of a 12 year. Go back to /v/eddit and stop spamming this shit here.
>>70991383
audiences will literally rate any movie they see a 10/10 because general audiences have literally no taste. they see a movie maybe once a month, once every couple of weeks max and generally that's going to be the flashy popcorn flick with the big marketing budget. having less than zero frame of reference of an actually good movie, they will slobber over the one film they care enough to see that month. ask anybody on the street what their favorite movie is and more often than not it's going to be the last movie they saw in theaters or on netflix, and most of the remaining people will say something like star wars. critics on the other hand have a lot more understanding of taste and what it means to have a good movie and are more reliable than audiences every time.
>>70991231
They were paid to give those reviews. Warcraft didn't buy enough of them, it doesn't mean that warcraft was good. It's a shit movie.
>>70991383
>The Shawshank Redemption, The Dark Knight and Schindler's List in best 5 movies ever.
>>70991453
>t. patrician of the highest taste
>>70991165
The score on the right exists for the mainstream audience, OP. That is the point of its existence.
>>70991492
I meant the list as a whole rather than the order. My point was if you were to watch all 250, you'd probably enjoy 90% of them.
>>70991165
If there are any true shills in review aggregators like RT, it's in the Audience Scores. Same is true of Metacritic. If you don't think so, you're clearly more retarded than you're pretending to be.
>>70991350
Dumb kysposter
critics weren't wrong
this movie isn't very good at all
anyone hyping it is also ruining it for anyone who hasn't seen it, because its just not that great.
Seriously keep your expectations low and you might appreciate that this train wreck of a spectacle at least tried.
>>70991468
So what you're saying is, audiences rate movies based on how good they are at being entertaining?
And at the same time, movie critics rate said movies based on some artificial metrics?
I guess I'll stick with "general audiences".
I feel like I might be one of a handful of people that actually browse /tv/ and think the entire concept of a critic is as pointless as giving the general consensus on what non-critics have to say as well.
Honestly, you are your own best-suited critic. If something interests you, go for it. If you like it, great. If you don't? That's fine too, at least now you know. Like, this shit is not hard, and it's never made sense to me why anybody cares about the opinion of anyone that they are not directly related to in some fashion, or why they would let that sway them in any way.
>>70991165
The thing is, critics all have to impose a political agenda on their movies now, and that reflects in their reviews.
In Warcraft's case, there were definitely some legitimate flaws, but as a genre fantasy it was really pretty good. I didn't go in expecting some sort of LOTR-style epic, I just wanted Orcs fighting Humans, and a neat world to set that in, and I fucking got it.
Most other critics went in expecting LOTR, or something that preached the values of diversity (because they all fucking do these days). That's why Disney/Marvel/soon to be Star Wars absolutely crush box-office records: They're harmless enough to mostly be the same, but can still push the barest bits of an agenda to satisfy folks looking for diversity.
So yeah, I'd say blame it on the SJWs for trying to force this fucking diversity thing.
>>70991581
To make a difference in the Audience Score you need to shill thousands of 10/10 votes and you risk overplaying it and getting caught. To shill the critic score you only need to give away a few tickets to disneyland to a few bloggers and that's that.
tl;dr we're onto you, shill harder
>>70991648
the only thing it takes for something to be "entertaining" is guns, explosions, romance, etc, but it's an entirely different thing to actually make a smart movie. audiences will go nuts over shitty movies like olympus/london has fallen, transformers, minions, etc. but that's not what you were thinking about, was it? you're thinking about shitty movies based on properties you actually like, and the fact that you're disappointed that they got made into shitty movies so you have to justify your hype by defending them against people who judges movies by actual measures of quality (you know, the little things like story, acting, coherence - things warcraft failed at, pesky things like that)
you guys need to account for the fact that the viewers most invested in the movie, and thus the ones who are gonna run to imdb are the warcraft nerds. so there's no indication that the viewer rating reflects the general consensus among viewers (reporting bias)
>>70991922
this. warcraft, much like BvS, was flooded with 10/10 ratings even before release, and this tipped the scale of user ratings. they are exactly why we need critic ratings because critics aren't going to go to rating channels in droves to throw them out of whack
>>70991230
I don't play WoW, the last Warcraft game i played was III and it was mainly LAN at school so i had no idea of the story. When i screened it before release i wasn't completely disappointed but i wasn't entirely blown away either.
>>70991705
/pol/drone spotted.
Yeah, Warcraft is failing cause of SJW. Sure.
>>70991165
>lately
Go fuck yourself, kiddo.
>>70992108
I'm not saying that's why Warcraft failed, I'm saying that's why you can't trust critics anymore.
>>70991165
>lets pay someone to do nothing but watch movies and write a ten minute review using passive agressive smug dialogue and long words to make them appear smart
i would be surprised if they dont fuck around in their phones half the movie then google someone elses opinion
>>70991266
>Is that even a bad thing to be?
it is when you are a critc
>>70991165
I generally trust in RT scores, but this one is just far too low. I mean, Attack of the Clones is at 65%, and i'd put Warcraft at least at that level.
I walked into the theater expecting a huge disappointment, and I was very pleasantly surprised. It's a real shame that we probably won't get a sequel, and that critics can't enjoy it for what it is.
Maybe it requires familiarity with the games to be able to enjoy it. It's a lot like the Harry Potter movies in that sense.
>>70991266
So you think a 7/10 average rating for a movie you liked is too high? Are you one of those retards who doesn't understand how RT works?
Critics are autists who pay attention to movie details no one actually gives a fuck about.
I like warcraft, it was a solid entertaining film.
>>70991862
>Implying it isn't dirt cheap to hire bot farms for shit
>Implying employees for companies haven't been caught shilling in audience scores.
Warcraft fans confirmed for naive retards. Shocker.
>>70992274
>So you think a 7/10 average rating for a movie you liked is too high?
Too low, you mean? All I see is that 35% of the people who actually use RT said that it was less than 3.5 stars.
Most of IMDB users (twice as many voted than RT users) thought it was a 7. I interpret that as a "meh".
>>70991205
le contrarian nigger is so shit that not even RT thinks he's a real critic anymore.
>>70992108
the movie has its flaws, but when you read critic reviews that say the movie was meant for white male nerds you can't help but think about it
>>70992445
well I was referring to the critics score since the audience score is usually useless on RT
>>70991165
>Should we always assume low rated movies are actually good and high rated ones are bad?
Generally the best movies are in the 30-70 range. Under 30 usually means it's literal garbage set on fire, but anything over 70 is probably consensus-approved mediocrity pandering to the lowest possible common denominator.
There are exceptions, but typically if it's in the 30-70 range it's alright.
>>70991165
W-why don't they like my vidya game?
>>70992534
Ah, I see. I guess I didn't make my point clear enough originally.
OP was saying that critics are out of touch from the general audience. I was making mention that I liked a movie that the critics liked and the viewers liked less.
But you are right, I obviously didn't know how RT works, as I didn't realize that the average critic score wasn't far from the average viewer score.
My apologies.
>>70991230
I played w3 growing up and thats it.
It was great.
>>70991165
I would give this movie a 4/10 + 1 for you like fantasy + another 1 if you like warcraft.
Movie had amazing CGI but the bad plot, acting, and writing just destroyed it. I would agree with the critics on this one.
Are you autistic or stupid
Audience reviews are pointless because it's going to be people who were already sold on the movie before it came out and make multiple accounts to defend it
Warcraft was terrible. Only people who could like it would be fans of the games.
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t. no real argument person
>>70991230
>Honestly unless you're a Blizzdrone Warcraft is completely worthless.
You can say the same about Marvelshit but people love it anyway.
>>70991165
Don't worry everyone is going to stop taking RT seriously once the Female Ghostbuster gets good ratings and averages a high percentage.
>>70993736
Yea I stopped watching it like 20 minutes in because it was so bad so I don't have a lot of arguments. I'll say the acting was bad and also I couldn't understand anything that was going on. If you're going to create an entire new universe, with it's own history and terminology, you should make sure you explain everything completely.
>>70991165
>How have they gotten out of touch with mainstream audiences?
Because the mainstream audiences are idiots.
>>70993862
There really isn't much of a mcguffin other than the dark portal, you can't really have much of a backstory about it like the ring in Lotr.
>>70992445
>on a scale of 1 to 10, I interpret a 7 as 'meh'
I honestly think you might be retarded.
>>70991165
>critics
>not ignoring the existence of these "people"
To me these things are in the same category with hobos junkies whores etc.
They don't really count as people.
>>70991165
>banned in China
>R
>775 millions box office
Problems /v/?
>>70991165
by best selling game I do hope they're referring to the game called 'warcraft' and not the one called 'world of warcraft'.
Critics take film seriously, people who enjoy Warcraft don't.
The difference of opinion speaks more to the difference between what critics and general public want than the actual quality of the movie.
>>70991165
Just came back from watching the movie.
All the Orc scenes are pretty great, and I do like Ragnar, the actor who plays Lothar.
...But this movie is absolute nonsense. A complete fucking disaster if it weren't so pretty to look at.
The original RTS story was deleted in favour of what can only be described as an infantile exercise in fantasy cringe.
As a silly kids movie, Warcraft is acceptable, but it's a 5/10 at best.
Any scene with a human other than Lothar is trash.
>>70994126
I use 7 to mean 'meh' too
>>70991165
>WHAT THE FUCK is wrong with critics lately?
>lately?
You must be an all out total idiot. Criticism as a concept is a disgusting thing, especially the part of rating something that you haven't made or built.
>Warcraft sucks
It does. Namco made their own Tekken movie, it was amazing. When Blizzard makes their own Warcraft movie, then it'll be worth watching.
>>70995310
>Namco made their own Tekken movie, it was amazing
wat
>>70994981
i agree
Who the hell cares about the opinions of supposed "experts" in a field of entertainment that is entirely subjective?
>>70991230
Warcraft was objectively better than Avatar
>>70997248
Many people, any more questions? Just because something shouldn't be, doesn't mean that it isn't.
>>70991165
Double Toasted (Academy voters, not fans of Warcraft) said the reason most of their fellow voters hate the movie is because most go into it with a bias of it being a video game movie and thus want to hate it to begin with. While they said the movie itself was only alright, the idea of it actually being flat out terrible and "the worst movie of the year" and "worse than battlefield earth" comes entirely from pretentious looking down on video games.
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>>70994598
ITT: I don't understand how RT works
All Marvel movies average scores go from 5.4 to 8.0, being The Avengers the only one that has the latter, so you can say they are just mediocre fun movies.
Also, Warcraft was shit blizzdrone, go back to jack off to your high budget porn movie.
most people are fucking retards, especially the type of person to rate movies on rottentomatoes. critics generally are more educated and obviously have seen more movies. there are issues with the rottentomatoes concept but the critic score is definitely more reliable for how "good" a movie will be. the audience score is how """"fun"""" (via action scenes, quips, etc.) it will be
A critic's job is to draw attention to themselves by being controversial. That's how the companies they work for make money. So they try to piss off fanbases.
>>70991165
Warcraft is pretty shit though. It's definitely not a 82% movie. 30-40% is a better fit. Blizzdrones are just out in force.
>>70991165
>implying the problem isn't audiences with no fucking taste
>>70991230
Should humans who never played Warcraft 3 even deserve to live?
>>70991165
Audience scores on RT have huge sampling error because you're not seeing the ratings from people that saw the movie, you're seeing ratings from people that saw the movie and then cared enough to go rate it on RT.
>>70997516
This. RT and imdb aren't as popular and well knowned as you might think. Most of the people going there don't bother to even sign up, so they only browse and don't rate.
>>70997516
For instance:
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/miracles_from_heaven/
The movie is just a Christfag movie about "doctors diagnosed girl with going to die, but then God" and is pretty shit. But the only people that went to see it and then cared enough to rate it are the Christian housewives who are the exact demographic the movie is meant for, so they rate it high.
Now you could argue that that's something that should be taken into account in critics' reviews, but that's infeasible and also a given for every single movie out there--if you're exactly the intended audience then of course it will be a 10/10 movie for you. A more useful tool for those is the "if you like x movie, see y" suggestion.
>>70991165
The movie was trash and completely flopped everwhere except China. Also, Blizzard is garbage.
