I've never watched any Star Trek, where do I start? Is it even worth getting into?
You should watch "THE BESTS" of the original series, then skip over Season 1 of TNG. You're golden.
Also, no, it isn't worth it.
Start with the last episode of enterprise and then work your way backwards
>>70986951
Jesus fucking Christ.
You're a goddamn monster.
>>70986951
No, do it chronilogically like Metal Gear.
Enterprise, Star Trek, the Star Trek movies, Next Gen, Deep Space Nine/Voyager? (Were they going on at the same time?) then all the Next Gen movies.
>>70986912
Start with season 2 TNG, skip any Wesley episodes.
Watch DS9, it's bretty good throughout.
Skip Voyager except for maybe the Doctor episodes and screenshots of 7-o-9 to fap to.
I actually ironically really enjoyed 'Enterprise'. I had some definite growing pains and a godawful themesong, but it was mostly fun and breathed some humanity back into the increasingly sterile Star Trek world. The first episode kicking off with a future redneck blowing away a Klington with a plasma shotgun was pure gold. Also, T'pol's clothes after she made the switch out of her brown catsuit were GOAT.
>>70987092
The problem with your analogy is that MGS is best taken in release-order. Twists and themes presented in one game are expounded on in the following game, and this flows naturally, regardless of the chronology. Playing them along their own time-line is going to be a fucking jumbled mess with tonal shifts all over the goddamn map from game to game.
That being said, Enterprise is best left in the dustbin of history. Not even it's best episodes are worth the fucking time it'll take to nod-off during them.
>>70987119
It's been a long road, getting from there to here.
>>70987119
>hating the theme song
But Anon, it's been a long road. Gettin' from there to here.
>>70986912
As someone who only finally started watching Trek because of the JJ movies finally piquing my interest, yes it's worth getting in to. Some of the early seasons of each series are really hit or miss but they all hold up really well. Start with the original series and watch all that shit. TNG, DS9, Voyager all the way through.
Honestly though you can probably skip enterprise. It's only ever okay at best.
>>70986912
>Is it even worth getting into?
you'll get the references and be able to post in the endless st threads here!
Watch everything, starting with TOS.
What to expect:
The Original Series gets worse after the first two years
The Next Generation gets better after the first two years
Deep Space Nine gets better after the first two years
Voyager gets better after the first three years
Enterprise gets better after the first two years
DS9 starts in the sixth year of TNG. The writing staff split up, with the good half going to DS9 and the bad half staying with TNG and then moving on to VOY after TNG ends. Because of this, DS9 is mostly good (with occasional bouts of pure garbage) and VOY is mostly mediocre (with occasional bouts of pure gold). Then all the good writers leave when VOY ends, and ENT has *only* the bad writers until they start hiring some fresh blood in the third season.
The movies are not as important as the television shows. Less than half of the movies are good, unless you count Galaxy Quest and Master & Commander as Star Trek movies (some people do). Watch them all though, except for the new shit.
>>70987695
what's with the episode order there?
>>70987925
The episodes were produced in one order but aired in another order.
>>70986991
why? the show would continually get better and better.
>>70987961
I guessed that but why would anyone care about the production order? The tos copy I have is named by airing order, that mean I have a pleb copy or something?
i want my own starship
>>70988184
>that mean I have a pleb copy or something?
Yes.
Production order means starting with WNMHGB and The Corbomite Maneuver, both of which are top-tier Trekinemas, guaranteed to ensure that any person watching them becomes a lifelong fan.
Air order means watching a fucking salt vampire put the audience to sleep.
>>70986912
Just watch the episodes with Q.
>>70987695
>Who Mourns For Adonis
>Bad
What a fag list.
>>70988404
It's "Who Mourns for Adonais?", not "Adonis". Turn in your card, you are not allowed to post in any Star Trek thread for the next 30 days.
>>70987695
this is pretty damn spot on
Will yet another Trek thread die?
God I hope so.
>>70986912
>>70986912
>>70986912
Start the two hour episode where Picard sees 5 lights.
>>70988888
I'll just take a look see at those digitals.
>>70988848
We can save it with forced memes.
>Yes, yes, well done, Starfleet Academy Class of 2258, well done. You all deserve your promotions from Cadets to Ensigns.
>HOWEVER
>>70988888
This episode always reminds me of that French song..
"Farrah Shaka, Farra Shaka, When Walls FELL!"
(WHEN WALLS FELL!)
"Darmok and Jilaaad"
(Darmok and Jilaaad!)
At tin AGRA
(At tin AGRA)
[repeat x3]
>>70988993
>you're all about to get killed in the next five minutes by FIRE EVERYTHING!
>>70989179
I'm sorry, sir, I didn't hear you, how much should we fire?
>>70989179
Post it!
(you know the pic, with people running)
What are some Star Trek plotholes and continuity errors?
>>70987695
I have never heard of Galaxy Quest or Master and Commander being thought of as Trek movies, so gonna need a source on that.
>>70989558
Biggest of them all is the Voyager pilot.
The premise of the entire show is flawed because Janeway's decision is made on the assumption that she is saving a race called the Ocampa but somehow all of the writers completely forgot that they wrote into the story that the Ocampa would lose power received from their Caretaker in five years and essentially have no place to go.
So her decision to destroy the array meant nothing and she stranded her crew having presumably forgotten that it wouldn't have mattered what she did with the array since the Ocampa were doomed.
>>70989558
ah, well kahn was originally an indian sikh played by a mexican...
Daily reminder
>>70989582
>Master and Commander
Just going through Google and giving you the first links that I see:
http://picturesup.typepad.com/pictures-up/2010/08/my-favorite-star-trek-movie.html
http://www.ign.com/articles/2003/11/13/review-of-master-and-commander-the-far-side-of-the-world
http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/master-commander-and-star-trek.34813/
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/movies/2003/11/naval_gazing.html
>Galaxy Quest
You must live under a rock if you didn't know that Galaxy Quest is a Star Trek movie.
>>70989649
What do the flies represent? Novel writers?
>>70989685
Hornblower is also pretty good Trek
>>70989628
Additionally, every Ocampa female can only birth ONE child in their entire lifetime.
Not all children will be female, so every generation produces a smaller number of potential mothers than the prior generation.
With every generation, there will be fewer and fewer Ocampa, until finally there are zero.
The Voyager writers are so stupid that they wrote a race which literally underbreeds until extinction without realizing it.
The Ocampa were fucked with or without the Caretaker.
>>70989780
Not only that, in order to achieve full puberty, a parent must rub the child's feet during a specifically narrow window when they begin their reproductive growth or they may also never be able to have a child.
>be born Ocampa
>living the impossible life
>>70989628
It really sucks that timers don't exist in the future. If they did, Janeway could have attached timers to torpedoes and set them to blow up the Caretaker's Array *after* it sent Voyager home. But timers don't exist, so she couldn't do that.
Oh well.
>>70989780
>>70990033
Maybe they were a designer species intentionally retarded to prevent them from burning the entire quadrant down
>>70990033
>ywn rub kes's feet
triple dubs of suffering
>>70986912
EIther Start with TOS or TNG.
Both series are the stating points for their respective era's
Viewing order for Kirk era be TOS>The animated series> Movies.
Viewing order for Picard Era be TNG>DS9>Movies
Voyager, Enterprise, and the Abrams films are optional viewing.
>>70990089
Maybe there was a fetishist on the Voyager writing staff.
>Kes: Body matures faster than mind
>7 of 9: Body matures faster than mind
>Naomi Wildman: Body matures faster than mind
You can't tell me that this was a coincidence.
>>70989558
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFq-37a7pk0&list=PLdazttmHDXbtgTLOANiP6vhZSxsvOLWEf
these videos point out some funny ones
>>70990062
>>70990033
>>70989780
>>70989628
Everytime you think Voyager gets too much criticism, this is all you need to remind you of how oblivious the writers were to their own fetid scripts.
I don't even know how Enterprise was picked up after seeing that Nielsen chart.
>>70990126
this, but i highly recommend starting with TNG. you could find TOS a bit dry if youre not into older shows
>>70990185
Garak may or may not have had relations to a varying degree with Ziyal.
There was definitely something going on, if small and unfurled.
>>70990185
That piece of art behind Miles looks like the Joy Division cover from Unknown Pleasures.
>>70990309
people give voyager too much shit imo, on the whole it was pretty good before the later seasons when they had way too many borg episodes and relationship drama episodes
there are some absolute 10/10 episodes in there too, like The Thaw
>>70990464
After hearing Bryan Fuller talk about how the head writers on Voyager didn't even like Star Trek, it's clear that Voyager didn't get enough shit.
>>70990464
I agree on stand-alone episodes, I just find it amazing that they weren't proof reading drafts and saying "Well wait, what about the Ocampa?" or that basic reproductive math just slipped through their skulls when deciding they could only have 1 kid.
It makes you wonder if it was intentional it's so egregious.
>>70990528
who cares what the writers thought? That alone has no impact on the show's quality, rewatching it as an adult I felt it was a pretty good sci-fi retelling of the odyssey.
>>70990573
was it ever said that they had genders in the same way humans do? Just because they have one kid and then die doesn't mean every Ocampa can't get pregnant. Though I agree its a bit silly.
>>70989685
Thanks for the links. I know that Galaxy Quest is a parody of Trek especially at the beggining as a slap to Shatner's ego and treatment of fans; but at best that is a movie that is tangential as are things like Trekkies and The Five Captains.
Ater going through the articles dealing with MaC the main idea and consensus is that Trek is a Hornblower in space. I can see that,also Wrath of Kahn =Moby Dick and Balance of Terror=The Enemy Below and some parts of Run Silent,Run Deep.
I can see your points I just don't agree with them.
As for living under a rock pretty close it is a basement level apartment (no,not my mom's ) and since being on this chan since '06 I am probably on the spectrum somewhere for mental illness. I rarely see things that are thoughtful on /tv/ anymore so simply wanted to engage in discussion.No need for any level of salinity friend.
tl;dr I can see what your saying just don't wholly agree.
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>>70990464
>The Thaw
Michael McKean was nothing less than perfect as Fear.
>>70990700
its probably my favorite episode of any trek
Maybe "Data's Day" from TNG is the best episode to start with if you've never seen any.
You've really never seen any?
>>70990639
>>70990639
>was it ever said that they had genders in the same way humans do?
No, but there was never any ambiguity thrust into the mix either about the Ocampa. They made Kes into voodoo telepathy prodigy as well and that god awful reprise with her was painful to watch. Another time loop episode that made no sense after the fact.
>>70990639
>who cares what the writers thought? That alone has no impact on the show's quality,
It has a HUGE impact on the show's quality.
When writers have no respect for a franchise, when they feel outright disdain for its audience, they aren't going to work hard on putting out a quality product. They're going to put out an inconsistent, directionless, half-assed product. Voyager could have been so much better if it was run by people who weren't ashamed of Star Trek, but alas, it wasn't meant to be.
>>70990790
do time loops ever?
>>70990818
Well, sometimes I suppose.
But in that particular episode, she comes back to "save herself" but then they go out of their way to have Kes make a recording because somehow she's never going to remember what happened between the time she leaves Voyager and comes back for revenge... if you saw the episode you know what I'm talking about. It's like she just conveniently forgot all of that short or had selective amnesia.
>>70987119
The only fucking wesley episode worth skipping was the last one focused on him
>wesley wants to be in starfleet
>his entire fucking life was based around getting in to the academy
>convinces the most badass captain in starfleet to let him be an ensign on his ship
>gets to work with and be mentored with the literal best that starfleet has to offer
>gets academy credits for being a main member of the crew
>finally makes it in to the academy at the recommendation of Picard
>is doing fucking fantastic in the academy, save for a few minor hiccups involving peer pressure
>goes to visit the enterprise while the academy was on break
>suddenly turns in to a starfleet hating treehugger in a single week because of starfleet trying to save the earth's native american population who decided to resettle on a planet that was going to be fucked over by the cardassians, who were going to kill them all
>show writers realize that they made him too much of a cunt for no reason in a single episode so they decide to pull out an ancient plot point and turn wesley in to a literal god who can stop and manipulate time itself
>skip ahead to one of the TNG movies
>he's fucking gone back to starfleet with no explination as to why
>>70990964
>>is doing fucking fantastic in the academy, save for a few minor hiccups involving peer pressure
He killed a kid.
https://youtu.be/jfLze1zqsgQ?t=2m49s
>Want this model bad
>Suck shit at model construction/painting
Goddamn though the Polar Lights models are fucking sex.
>>70990800
Writers don't really matter that much
>>70990800
Imagine if it was Ron Moore, Bryan Fuller, Joe Menosky, and Rene Echevarria with occasional help from Piller, Berman, Taylor and Braga.
I feel like Braga did his best work when there was a team effort that forced him to consider carefully the canon and previous actions taken by characters. Then, Berman henpecks his boy after Michael Piller says fuck you guys and suddenly it's Borg this, Borg that, to the point of nausea and malaise.
>>70986912
Watch it all you fucking autist
>Season 2 of DS9 here.
>>70987695
Are you seriously suggesting that DS9 episodes are better than later TNG
>>70990964
I wonder why only Wil Wheaton and Garrett Wang explicitly announced undying hatred for Rick Berman. Did he ask for sexual favors or something?
>>70991022
Right, there's also direction:
>Where do I begin when it comes to answering what I thought were the missed opportunities on Voyager? I think it would be best if we go back to the beginning. When casting ended on Voyager, all the actors were invited by executive producer Rick Berman to attend a congratulatory luncheon. It was during this lunch that Berman informed us that he expected all actors portraying human roles to follow his decree. He told us that we were to underplay our human characters. He wanted our line delivery to be as military -- and subsequently devoid of emotion -- as possible, since this, in his opinion, was the only way to make the aliens look real.
>>70990964
>skip ahead to one of the TNG movies
>he's fucking gone back to starfleet with no explination as to why
Same with Worf. Retired from Starfleet? Official Federation Ambassador to the Klingon Empire? Just kidding. Didn't the director know?
Another fascinating tidbit about Star Trek direction:
>After the release and subsequent failure of Star Trek Nemesis at the box office, actors LeVar Burton and Marina Sirtis criticized Baird for not being knowledgeable about the Star Trek universe and for not even watching a single episode of Next Generation. Sirtis said that TNG was about the relationships of the crew, and Baird did not take that into account. Burton remarked on how, during the first six weeks of shooting Nemesis, Baird kept calling him "Laverne" and kept referring to his character as an alien. [1] [2] Production designer Herman Zimmerman described Baird as "a really good editor and as before we started shooting he was charming…as soon as cameras started rolling he became impossible to work with, nothing satisfied him". [3]
>>70991085
Did you ever watch TNG season 7?
>Parallels
>The Pegasus
>Lower Decks
>Thine Own Self
>Preemptive Strike
>All Good Things
The only good episodes.
The rest of the season belongs in the trash. Even Masaka and Korgano. Even cellular peptide cake with mint frosting.
Trash.
>>70990964
I liked that episode, its the only time in the whole show when they allowed Picard to be wrong and someone stands up to him.
This is literally the only correct way. And if you skip an episode, just give up.
http://startreklist.blogspot.com/2011/04/list-of-all-star-trek-episodes-sorted_05.html
>>70987695
DS9 was absolute shit though a good 85% of the time. Every single Sisko episode was shit. Every single Bajoran episode was shit. Every Keiko episode was shit. Every single "Odo tries to find his people" episode was shit. Pretty much the entire dominion war arc was absolute shit.
The only episodes worth watching out of DS9 were the ferengi episodes, the Bashir/O'Brien episodes, the klingon episodes, the garrick episodes, and most of the cardassian centered episodes, especially those with Dukat. The one Sisko episode that wasn't shit was the one where he was rubber banding through time and was tied to Jake.
>>70991201
I mean if we go strictly by like, plot and writing then yes maybe DS9 had some more interesting things going on. But if we're judging it as a whole, matured TNG was still a better show than DS9 at that time and maybe any time. DS9 suffered from some of its characters and was great for others
>>70991095
Garrett Wang is pretty well known for speaking very openly about what a clusterfuck working on Voyager was and his experiences with other pretentious fuckwit actors.
Garrett Wang is a fan favourite because of it and how down to earth he is, I've seen numerous fans say how Garret came over and spoke to them for like half an hour and shit in his own time.
Wil Wheaton I think is a bit the same, pretty open to talk about the shit that went down, giving some back for how shit his character was.
>>70991124
You don't say? Any information about Jeri Ryan and President Obama?
>>70990964
This
>>70991039
Brannon Braga wanted Year of Hell to last a full season, but Rick Berman wouldn't let him.
Also, consider the following:
>Ron Moore joined Voyager for season 6
>Moore left Voyager because Berman & Braga wouldn't let him do anything
>Moore rebooted Battlestar Galactica with his leftover ideas from Voyager
>Battlestar Galactica had two perfect years before sliding into shit
>Voyager had two years left when Moore joined
Ron Moore could have made Voyager s6 and s7 into pure perfection if he had only been given the freedom.
Imagine the bleak realism of BSG's situation... but with the optimism of Star Trek, the enlightened humanity that strives to continue bettering itself, the irrepressible urge to explore and understand the universe, and the eternal drive to meet and befriend all life we can find.
>>70991312
What point are you trying to make here?
Is there a limit on the number of times that a quote is allowed to be posted? If so, I apologize for posting without your permission.
>>70990985
Janeway killed a Tuvix on purpose, just because she wanted to get Tuvok back, even though he wanted to remain how he was. She also erased ~20 years of history just because.
Wesley killed someone on accident and showed remorse and was willing to accept his punishment. Janeway never lived up to any of her fuckups.
>>70991095
Wang was a fucking fantastic dude for putting up with all the shit he was thrown during VOY and is still a fantastic dude to this day.
>Constantly shit on throughout VOY
>His dream was to direct a single episode of star trek, something that every main character's actor has done, but was denied that just because the producers hated him
>The only reason he wasn't killed off the show was because he won a most handsome man thing in a magazine
>Loved Jeri and Kate like family, even though they hated eachother and actually broke out in tears over how much it hurt him to see them fight
>Is a fucking bro at conventions and loves to talk openly about trek, and is an actual trek fan
>>70991124
It's universally agreed that the TNG movies are all absolute shit.
>>70991233
Was Picard wrong?
>Natives decide to fuck off to another planet because HURR DURR STOLE MUH LAND CAN'T STEAL MUH RELIGIOUS PLANET
>Planet is involved in a treaty with the Cardassians
>Cardassians want to reclaim the planet
>Threaten to kill or enslave anyone who remains on it
>Picard is sent to get them the fuck out and save the culture since pretty much every single native american lives on this planet now
>They refuse to leave because MUH RELIGION
>Wesley would rather see them all die or be enslaved than give up their land
>Basically a rehash of an earlier episode where Data needs to evacuate the thriving remnants of a crashed colony ship or be obliterated by aliens
>Entire point of this episode was to shit on the american colonists for stealing the native american's land
>>70991438
>What point are you trying to make here?
That the stale regurgitation of the sole anti-Voyager poster is ruining star trek threads
>>70991438
apology accepted, PROVISIONALLY
don't let it happen again
>>70991569
>there's only one anti-Voyager poster
You are being dishonest.
If you want to end this conversation, then this is a fine place to end it, because your dishonesty has made me lose all respect I had for you.
>>70991273
>ds9
>shit
WEW
E
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>>70991575
Yes, yes, well done, mon capitan, well done.
HOWEVER
>>70991563
first contact was alright, even though it ruined the concept of the borg by adding the borg queen (or had that already been introduced?)
When they're first introduced in "Q Who" they were so much cooler as a totally leaderless collective with all minds linked up to the point that the individual no longer has any real meaning and all decisions large and small are made by the mind of the many. It was so rare in star trek for them to come up with an alien race that truly was unknowably alien, rather than just SPACE ROMANS or somesuch. The experience of being a member of the borg collective (as it was originally shown) is something that is impossible to understand without participating in it, and I really liked that.
But then they had to go fuck it up and add a leader to the hive mind because it makes a better villain for the movie than a nebulous consciousness, relegating the individual borg members to being mindless drones. Those who are assimilated are mere appendages of the queen, rather than their minds being incorporated into a new type of being.
>>70991563
>Was Picard wrong?
I think so, forcibly removing people from their homes against their will because of a treaty they had no say in is at the very least morally questionable. Doubly so given the disturbing historical parallels it had.
>>70991693
Can you name me any good episodes from the ones I said were shit? Any bad ones from the ones I said were good?
Take a second to remember how shit DS9 actually was for the most part.
Remember when the Bajorans blew up the school for giving a neutral education for multiple species instead of a religious one meant for bajorans?
Remember when a group of less than 10 farmers fucked over the entire economy of Bajor for an entire year just because they wanted to keep a piece of farm equipment that wouldn't even feed the local province for a year? While that same piece of farm equipment could have fed the entire planet AND produce enough food to establish Bajor's first planetary export since the cardassian occupation?
Remember when the same group of farmers decided to overthrow the entire bajoran government and replace it's leader with one of the leaders of the rebellion with no political experience just because they didn't like the current leader? The same leader who was actually making them a member of the galactic community again and was putting them on the path of success, even if it meant hurting some feelings along the way? Remember how that worked out and how Bajor got royally assfucked under the new leadership and got set back to the same disarray it was in right after the occupation ended?
And shit, that was just about bajorans. Don't get me started on Sisko episodes, or the trainwreck that was the dominion arc.
>>70991814
Don't forget that Picard didn't want to relocate them at first but only did so after he was convinced there was no other safe way to do so. The native people gave zero shits that them not moving to a new planet in the same sector with near identical conditions as the one they were on would start a war between the federation and cardassia. Picard even prevented the cardys from murdering the entire population after wesley started a riot and made them attack cardassian site surveyors.
>>70992055
>Remember when the Bajorans blew up the school for giving a neutral education for multiple species instead of a religious one meant for bajorans?
Yeah, that was a good episode. Even Keiko was great in it.
Like, can you not enjoy an episode if there are people in it that you disagree with?
I've never watched an episode of star trek. These series ranking threads are always interesting though and I have no idea why.
>>70992055
sounds like a pretty accurate representation of Palestinians to me
>>70992134
watch some startrek anon, its good
>>70992134
http://www.thevideo.me/ihww64qzjg77
No excuses now.
>>70992055
>Take a second to remember how shit DS9 actually was for the most part.
it was a space station. no comie exploration like next generation or womanizing like the original
it was literally like a space truck stop in the middle of no where. i dont blame the writers or the cast. i blame the guy who pitched the idea to the network
>>70992386
and yet it's the best star trek
>>70992134
never watched star trek?
well give this a watch, and see if it seems like its your thing
2 of my favorite episodes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtmbzJNPsaQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiV40RFhpv8
>>70992100
It was a shit episode not because I disagreed with the message, but because it was the start of a chain of shit episodes involving Keiko, and no one was punished for their actions because the entire Bajoran plot was overall a clusterfuck of frustration and they had plot armor that made it so that no matter what they did wrong, no one was punished for it and it always tried to make them to be the ones in the right, even when it was clear that wasn't the case.
>>70992386
DS9's biggest flaw was that it's main arcs and story lines were all absolute shit.
The subplots were the best episodes, and so were the ones focusing on minor main cast members or the interactions between main cast members.
>Ferengi episodes
>Bashir/Garrack
>Bashir/O'Brien
>Klingons
>Dax
>Garrack/Dukat
>Cardassian Occupation not focused on Bajorans
>Cardassians not involving Bajor
And so on.
>tfw O'Brien chose Keiko's cheating ass over the loyal, fertile Cardassian waifu scientist
;_;7
>>70992547
>it's bad because it's not a simplistic children's story where the bad guys are always punished at the end
I have to stop talking with you because I'm laughing too hard.
Go watch some superhero movies instead maybe?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M3Hf_bb3Tk
Leaked Axanar trailer.
>>70988888
Holy shit how did you do that there are five eights
>>70992508
Wow, I LIKE IT
>>70992643
>not a documentary
DROPPED
>>70992675
have more then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcRg2RiLKzo
>>70989558
Star dates are all fucked up they did it several different ways and sometimes didn't care for continuity
>>70992643
what's this?
>>70992597
Is that what you took away from it? Because their entire plot was
>The good guys are actually the bad guys and get a free pass on literally everything because of a poor attempt at political commentary
I'm dead serious, how can you justify them getting away with the shit they did without even the slightest bit of repercussion?
>Hey dudes, we lent you a piece of farm equipment. We know that we promised it to you for the season and we know it's important to you, but all the cards lined up in our favor and if you're willing to give us back the equipment early, we can take it to a province that will not only produce enough food to feed the entire planet in a single season and every season after, but will also make enough food that we can start up our first planetary export since the cardassian occupation. We'll even give it back next year and compensate you for your loss of profit this year.
>ERMUHGERD NO FUCKING WAY FUCK YOU GUYS AND FUCK EVERYONE ELSE ON THIS PLANET. FUCK THE ECONOMY. FUCK EVERYTHING. CAN'T YOU SEE I'M TRYING TO GROW ENOUGH FOOD TO FEED ME AND MY GROUP OF LIKE 4 OTHER FRIENDS?
>But we'll pay you and give it back next year
>NO FUCK YOU WE HID IT AND NOW WE'RE HIDING! FUCK YOU! FUCK THE PLANET! GO RESISTANCE! WOOOO!
>Okay, thanks. You fucked the planet for an entire year. You also fucked your own growing season just to fuck us. Are you happy?
>NO NOT REALLY. YOU KNOW WHAT? GENERAL ELECTIONS ARE COMING UP. LET'S GET SOME ASSHAT WHO CARES ABOUT THE LITTLE GUYS OVER THE POPULATION AS A WHOLE!
>What? No! C'mon, we're almost in the federation and we-
>NO FUCK YOU! WE'RE OVERTHROWING THE GOVERNMENT!
>Fine. You overthrew the government and now we're back to the same state we were in just after the occupation ended. Now our planet is poor, starving, and denied membership in to the federation yet again. Now are you happy?
>FUCK YEAH BECAUSE OUR PROBLEMS WILL NEVER BE MENTIONED OR TOUCHED ON AGAIN DUE TO PLOT ARMOR MAKING OUR CHOICES THE RIGHT ONES!
>>70992774
really high budget fan film that features original series actors and shit that Paramount got really assmad about and sued them into oblivion.
>>70992893
"Shakaar" is a different episode. We are talking about "In the Hands of the Prophets".
>In the Hands of the Prophets
>good writing by Robert Hewitt Wolfe
>good direction by David Livingston
>good acting by Rosalind Chao and Louise Fletcher
>you call it shit because the bad guy isn't punished at the end
Seriously, you would be happier on >>>/co/.
>>70993104
no, we're talking about the overall shittiness of the Bajoran plot and how their plot armor literally prevents them from doing no wrong.
But hey, opinions and whatnot.
>>70993178
You said
>Can you name me any good episodes from the ones I said were shit?
>Remember when the Bajorans blew up the school for giving a neutral education for multiple species instead of a religious one meant for bajorans?
I said
>Yeah, that was a good episode. Even Keiko was great in it.
And so we began discussing that episode.
If you want get disingenuous and pretend that this discussion never happened, then I guess that there is no point in continuing it.
>>70991673
>>70992597
>>70993267
Listen, if you want to keep ending discussions like this, I don't see any point in going on.
>>70993323
You're absolutely right, I did participate in this conversation for too long. I apologize.
See you again next time.
>>70993267
You quote all that shit then miss the part where I said it was shit because it was the start of them pulling the dindunuffin card and getting away with it. That brings us off the topic of a single episode and on to more episodes in the plot as a whole. Sorry you can't grasp context anon, even though you're done replying.
so uh guys
what are some other good voyager episodes besides The Thaw?
>>70993507
The one that was retconned out of existence for being so bad.
It's so bad that it's good.Also any episode focusing on the Doctor or Doc+7/9.
>>70993507
Tuvix
Even though Janeway makes the wrong decision, it's still a good episode.
Writing quality, directing quality and acting quality are all more important than agreeing with the story.
"Commander, tell me about your sexual organs."
>>70993615
well um
>>70987119
But anon, you gotta have faith of the heart.
>>70993553
After they find a cure for Transwarp Sickness, why don't they just go home?
Paris proved that he can navigate perfectly in transwarp, since he had no trouble finding and reaching a good planet to abandon his children on.
So why don't they just go home?
>>70993946
Because LIZARDS.
>>70993973
But they cured the lizards, Anon.
THEY CURED IT.
>>70993946
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>>70993994
What do you think would happen if they didn't retcon the episode, used the tech to get home, and just had the EMH fix them after they turned in to a pit of lizard orgy?
>>70990062
It also sucks that suicide missions don't exist, or my backup plan after those fictional timers you mentioned would have been leaving one guy behind in a shuttlecraft to destroy the array after Voyager left. I would have chosen Tuvok because he would be like "yes, that is logical" and done it without whining. But suicide missions don't exist, so she couldn't do that.
Oh well.
>>70987092
tail end of next gen and ds9 were on at the same time. voyager picks up a bit later in ds9s era.
im sure some autist out there has it all worked on memory alpha.
>>70994073
I'm going to continue posting this until I have posted it X times, where X is equal to the number of Voyager episodes which came after it.
So, tell me again, why didn't they just go home?
>>70989707
brannon braga.
>>70994096
Voyager would have ended early, Michael Piller and Jeri Taylor would have been on the Enterprise team, Enterprise would have lasted for seven years, and Barack Obama would not be president.
>>70989558
Most of Enterprise.
>>70987208
>>70987215
>>70993885
Fuck you.
OFFICIAL STAR TREK THREAD POLL
DON'T FORGET TO VOTE
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>>70994443
Obviously we're all sad people to be posting in a Star Trek thread, but spamming that same poll for over a month is just a whole new level of sad.
Enterprise sucks, deal with it.
>>70991273
Yeah, nah.
The secret ingredient of DS9 is that even when the writing is mediocre the actors usually make it tolerable (thus keeping up the median quality) and when the writing and direction are better the episodes tend tob be quite good by an objective Trek metric if not spectacular. Only TNG and TOS regularly do that and even then to a lesser degree for the most part; meanwhile, everyone on VOY is about as wooden as my living room floor almost all the time and ENT isn't much better.
>>70994541
>Enterprise sucks, deal with it.
Watch the show, it only sucks for two years.
>>70994692
just like my wife
The sphere-worshipping ponytailed snackbars from ENT are what the Bajoran militia should have been.
Honestly, Babylon 5 is much more better than DS9.
It deals with human philosophy, things such as existentialism etc.
What is the philosophy of DS9?
EBIN I am sisko :DD I am angry
>>70990033
Is Dan Snyder a Nacene?
>Kaynar
>Kaynar? Never could develop a taste for it
For a series that hired all sorts of scientists to make up accurate sounding shit, it's surprising how often they forget to tell the actors how their made up words are pronounced.
>>70987092
DS9 isnt canon
>It's a Maximum Spoonhead Casualties episode
Someone post it
>The trial never ends
What did he mean by this?
>>70986912
You start at the original series. If you make it to the end, you watch the next generation.
And then the others.
This is now a Neelix thread.
Top five Neelix episodes?
Favorite Neelix quip?
Most intense Neelix dramatic moment?
Links to any good fanfic about Neelix?
Descriptions of your dreams about Neelix?
>>70995646
>It never ends, this shit
>>70986912
Next generation because best federation.
DS9 because best Klingons.
Voyager because best vilains.
>>70988888
FUCK ME
>>70989237
>>7098955
Voyager is one big continuity error. They lose so many damn shuttles and they start off with what, 27 photon torpedoes with "no way to replace them"?
>>70989582
/tv/ has considered Galaxy Quest and Master & Commander as Trek films for quite some time.
>>70988888
Nice git
>>70989628
So did they ever say what happened to the Ocampa? They say that they had to leave for the surface once the juice died. but that skin melting shield prevented that and I would have thought that security would be one of the key things the power ran meaning they couldn't actually go to the surface using the underground as a base of operations to safely manage their new lives and instead will be thrown cold turkey once the power goes out completely.
Never mind the Kazon ready to pick their bones clean once the power goes out.
>>70989629
Yeah a single Romulan mining ship going to the past and blowing shit up can't change a characters genes, thus the whole "it's still canon" cries are nonsense.
>>70990062
I thought Janeway said in one episode that she didn't feel comfortable leaving the future of the Ocampa to a timer and felt she had to know the array was destroyed.
Even though I love his character and the stories where they use his unique abilities, I've been thinking about something recently:
Is Data a Mary Sue?
>>70991301
>Garrett Wang
Is legit a really cool guy at conventions. Just walking around, and he'll take photos with fans, without charge. Very friendly dude.
The DS9 episode where Worf helps the Klingon crew get their honor back. Great episode he whole way through
>>71000565
You said you were thinking anon, was that a lie?
>>70992893
And Winn was literally willing to risk civil war over a matter that could have been handled diplomatically. Shakaar was willing to talk and comprise.
You're just a statist faggot.
5 shekels of gold pressed latinum
>>71001179
Why are the Breen Finland? I'm not disagreeing I'm just having trouble seeing a connection.
>>70991301
i have heard him talk about behind the scenes stuff before but I don't think i have ever heard of him calling out other actors. Who are the pretentious fuckwit ones?
>>71001179
Does that mean Neelix poo in the food?
>>71002645
The breen homeworld is very frigid and cold, they're also very mysterious
>>71000181
additionally sharpe has been considered an offshoot of DS9 for years
>>71001179
>ISIS
>Acting honourably
I don't get it. If anything it would be the Jem'Hadar, they were the only ones who ever used suicide attacks that I can recall.
>>70995995
FUARK, I love YOU, ANON! Neelix is my fave.
>Top five Neelix episodes?
(in order descendingly)
Mortal Coil
Jetrel
Fair Trade
Rise
Homestead
>Favorite Neelix Quip
There's so many, it's hard to choose, but one my favorite funny moments is when Neelix bunks with Tuvok and gets wild with that Klingon woman who came aboard with the old battle cruiser they found roaming the delta quadrant.
>Links to any good fanfic about Neelix?
Don't know of any but I play STO and he voices Neelix in it and they've expanded a little bit on his character in one of the recent updates
>Descriptions of your dreams about Neelix?
LOL, stop messin' anon, Neelix is a good guy.
A dream with Neelix would be fun though because he's a man who likes ADVENTURE!
I did them all last year. Deep Space 9 is the only really good one and only one that you need to watch all the way through. None of the others are that character focused so there's nothing to be gained by not skipping around, I say just hit the highlights of the others. For TNG that's the inner light, chain of command, and Darmok at least.
>>70992893
A democratic election isn't overthrowing the government.
Winn was already the religious leader and she was trying to become the political leader too. She was also anti-Federation and was pushing to isolate Bajor. Shakaar pushed for Bajor to join the Federation.
Under Shakaar's leadership, Bajor wasn't rejected from joining the Federation. Bajor's membership application was accepted.
I bet you'll find a reason to complain about all this too.
>>70991124
>all actors portraying human roles to follow his decree. He told us that we were to underplay our human characters. He wanted our line delivery to be as military -- and subsequently devoid of emotion -- as possible, since this, in his opinion, was the only way to make the aliens look real.
I still can't get over this, it's like a pasta someone on 4chan would make to make something look bad.
>>70988888
Did anyone else not realise Betazoids have completely black eyes until the HD release?
>It's an everyone is pro-mandatory-suicide except Lwaxana episode
>>71003392
>watching lwaxana episodes
>>70988888
THERE ARE FOUR Us
>>71003513
Lwaxana is the only character in Star Trek who acts like a real person that enjoys life, and everyone who doesn't like her is a complete stuffed shirt.
Lwaxana is a high order pleb filter, on the level of The Motion Picture or Move Along Home.
>>71003513
Childhood is loving Gene Roddenberry and hating Majel Barrett.
Adulthood is hating Gene Roddenberry and loving Majel Barrett.
>>70986912
Season 2
>>71003674
>>71003667
Both of these answers are objectively true in ways I couldn't hope to expound upon. Whatever that means.
>>70991814
You act like Picard was the one who made the treaty. The treaty is pretty shitty but most are. The leadership of the Federation and Cardassian empire are the ones who jewed over the indians. Picard was there to say shit is going down, come with me if you want to live. The rest was up to the indians.
>>71003667
>Lwaxana is the only character in Star Trek who acts like a real person
Her, Barclay and O'Brien are the only real people in Star Trek. Well, Barclay doesn't enjoy life, but whatever.
The Mother, the Manchild, and the Holy Sufferer
>>71003667
TMP and Move Along Home are great, Lwaxana is awful
Friendly reminder that Dukat did nothing wrong.
>>70991563
Jeri Ryan and Kate Mulgerew had conflicts?
>>70986912
watch TNG the drumhead and the inner light
then decide if you like it
>>71003392
>It's also an Ensign Ro tries to convince her father to commit suicide episode
>>71003890
Original audio interview
http://www.girlonguy.net/podcast/girl-on-guy-100-jeri-ryan/
Text highlights from the interview
http://trekcore.com/blog/2014/11/ryan-mulgrew-feud/
tl;dr version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je-w7Fat3sM
>>70987695
>Deep Space Nine gets better after
you turn it off and burn the DVD's
>>70988888
Five lights.
Five Eights.
>>71003824
>O'Brien
>Enjoying life
>>71004020
never
>>71002750
That's good enough for me.
on somewhat of an off-note, aren't the Breen multiple races underneath their helmets?
>>70986912
>where do I start?
Hard question. If you've literally never watched any, I'd say one of the following three orders:
>Chronologically by release
TOS>TOSFilms>TNG>TNGFilms>DS9>VOY>ENT>NuTrek
>Chronologically by in-universe timeline
http://thestartrekchronologyproject.blogspot.com.au/2009/09/and-now-we-present-complete-star-trek_19.html
>Ease into it
NuTrek>ENT>TNG>TNGFilms>DS9>VOY>TOS>TOSFilms
I recommend "chronologically by in-unverse timeline". It's the most effort, but it's awesome. It's the order I used to show my girlfriend, and she's loving it. We're at VOY/DS9 currently. Just use that list I linked to.
>Is it even worth getting into?
Yes. Absolutely.
>>71004086
Books and video games are not canon.
>>70988888
I was just counting them when you called. They look like a little snowman parade.
>>71004090
>Telling anyone to watch Jew Jew Trek
If I thought that someone would honestly like those joints I'd just tell them to kill themselves
>>71004020
O'Brien still has
>beer
>darts
>videogames
>two wonderful children
>make-up sex with Keiko when she wants to apologize after beating him
to enjoy.
>>71004086
The Breen seem like just another rip-off of a Babylon 5 race. DS9 had very little originality.
>>71004166
Meh, it's part of it. And while it's certainly not in the top half of Trek there are episodes that are worse than those two movies. Do you cut those out, too?
I actually enjoyed the 2009 one and still get emotional when Nimoy's voice carries us into the end credits.
Why does Enterprise get so much shit? It was my 1st Trek series and chronologically, it's the beginning of the franchise. I liked Bakula as Archer and the other characters were interesting as well.
The whole idea of the Vulcans looking over humanity's shoulder makes a lot of sense and the tensions dealing from it was a good theme to address. Not to mention xenophobia that humans would nurse after being exposed to aliens like Terra Prime.
And man, I love the Andorians. They're my favorite race. Especially Shran because they're actually a helluva lot more agreeable to deal with than Vulcans, Tellarites, and other species. Denobulans like Phlox are cool however.
Enterprise had a lot of episodes that pissed me off like the one where Phlox and Archer argue over allowing one group of aliens die out in favor of another. But this was the beginning of Starfleet and Earth's foray in deep space. They had to play it by ear and overall, I liked this series for doing baby steps and not being as corny as the 1960's Shatner series.
>>71004086
>It's a Trill are ugly episode
>It's a Crusher will make out with this disgusting thing but not a woman episode
>>71004090
Why would you not start him off with anything other than TNG like almost everyone suggests?
TOS takes some effort because of how old it is and should come after TNG, ENT is good but came after every other Trek and is filled with riposte and commentary on previous canon (again not good for entry-level Trek), and suggesting NuTrek? I almost feel subtly trolled.
NuTrek isn't what Star Trek is about nor is it even good science fiction.
If seeing this message anon, I highly suggest you look for a couple of good TNG episodes then start from the beginning if you liked them.
>>71004217
Which race?
>>71004239
>the other characters were interesting as well.
Tell me everything that you remember about Travis Mayweather.
>>71004248
I still say these are the Conspiracy worms after refining their ad campaign.
>>71004116
You mean Data and Lal owning a Casino on Orion isn't canon?
>>71004217
I haven't gotten around to checking out Babylon 5, is it any good? I like DS9 if that's any consolation.
Also Breen were in TNG..
>>71004272
Well, NuTrek is part of it, whether you consider it Trek or not. Are you going to consider the new series Trek?
I gave three entirely different orders for three entirely different kinds of people. NuTrek is the very last one in two of those three orders (including the order I recommended)
It's first in the final order because some people would find it easier to get into a franchise with the more modern flashy action films, that's all.
>>71003890
They hatred eachother, mainly because Mulgrew was a massive cunt to Ryan and didn't like having to share her role as lead character with her.
Chakotay's actor also wanted to be killed off, but the producers didn't want to do that, so he ended up making outrageous demands hoping to be fired, only to be extremely disappointed when they would cave and give in to his every demand.
Remember how the EMH and 7 were set up to be in a relationship since she first joined the crew? Now remember how in the last season she suddenly started riding Chakotay's dick out of the blue between seasons? That was his fault.
>>71004281
The Vorlons.
>Breen have been interfering in humanity's development for millennia
>Breen are the most advanced species in the entire galaxy
>Breen are formless and will appear to humans as angels
Total ripoff, DS9 was a mistake.
>>71004090
im sure its hard to gain perspective as a long term fan, but I can say that your "Ease into it" category is very off.
I can't speak for everyone but I got into Trek recently and I can say that it was easiest to get in Trek 09>TOS(& certain films)/TNG>DS9
I have yet to be able to watch a full episode of Voyager or ENT.
Enterprise is just fucking awful to me, no way anyone interested should watch that early on. If I did I would've hated star trek forever
>>71004239
The fact that it's a retcon in general and filled with lots of smaller retcons, the theme tune, the fact that even the hardcore fans admit it doesn't get good until it's basically over.
Also, it's over-sexualised and Tpol is not attractive and I honestly don't understand the people that think she is.
The amount of bad pasta in this thread is enough to start 12 new chains of Olive Garden(but only in the midwest or Seattle).
>>71004239
>Why does Enterprise get so much shit?
The theme song turned people off and started an insidious meme that the whole show was somehow shit.
This got picked up by the reddit community and spread here from there; thankfully in the last few months people have been waking up to it more and more and we've had some fun ENT threads. It's a shame really: if it had the opportunity of a full 7 seasons like the other post-TOS shows, it would be remembered fondly alongside TNG and DS9. There were going to add Shran to the main cast and further explore the fledgeling Federation
>>71004370
Okay, that's fair enough. I was just going off the order of Newest>New>Trinity>Old
>>71004294
Oh yeah that guy. He was pretty a blank slate besides that storyline about his brother. I felt if Enterprise had another season or two, they would've given him more screentime and an actual personality.
Like I said, it's not a perfect series but I enjoyed Enterprise since it was my gateway series into Trek and wasn't burdened with fanboy expectations.
>>71004406
>The theme song turned people off
i loved it, and the show
>>71004422
Tell me everything that you remember about Hoshi Sato.
>>71004357
7/EMH had the best chemistry for any ship on the entire series. Robert Beltran is such a prick if that's the reason it was called off. I'd always assumed it was Braga feeling threatened that necessitated the change.
>>71004370
nah i had a mate who liked abrams first movie and agreed to watch the pilots of TNG and ENT and he refused to watch any more of TNG because of how dated it was (and he hated Troi).
he liked ENT's pilot and watched all of that series with me.
>>71004355
Calling something "NuTrek" then putting the new series into that category when it's yet to come out and is manned by people who are writing it in the prime universe and were eminent Trek writers before people put this stupid "Nu" shit on everything, is ridiculous.
I'm saying it's not a good idea to suggest AT ALL to someone just getting into Star Trek for reasons I could go on 100 posts about.
>>71004362
>Breen have been interfering in humanity's development for millennia
>Breen are the most advanced species in the entire galaxy
>Breen are formless and will appear to humans as angels
But none of those are true. Babyfagloners need to leave.
>>71004446
IT'S BEEN A LONG ROAD
>>71004481
Read the books. ;^)
Picard was strong enough to resist the Nexus when Kirk couldn't even do it, such a great movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hkk-IYaXlVQ
>>70986912
Go balls deep into TNG/DS9
Watch TOS/Movies if you want more.
>>71004452
Translator and was good buddies with Phlox.
>>71004390
>Tpol is not attractive and I honestly don't understand the people that think she is.
I'm obliged to post this now that you've said that as both evidence to the contrary and for the sake of conversation.
>>71004463
good for him, I get that some people like it but I don't know if he is in the majority
>>70987119
>godawful themesong
CAUSE I'VE GOT FAITH OF THE HEART
>>71004581
>>70989558
when scotty is saved from the transporter buffer in TNG and hears that the enterprise found him, he asks for kirk - yet he was trapped in the transporter AFTER the events in generations, where he witnessed kirk "die" on the enterprise B
>>71004612
I"M GOING WHERE MY HEART WILL TAKE ME
>>71004390
But doesn't Enterprise take place in a quantum timeline like the Abbrams universe? Enterprise is set in a alternate continuity after the First Contact movie, hence those frozen Borg that were discovered. This is why the series is markedly different from the timeline in TOS, TNG, DS9, and VOY.
I didn't care that T'Pol was attractive so much as that I liked her relationships with Archer and Trip. She really did learn a lot from her experience on Enterprise.
>>71004406
>There were going to add Shran to the main cast and further explore the fledgeling Federation
This is what pisses me off the most about Enterprise getting canned. Shran arguing with Archer and T'Pol would've been glorious.
>>71004581
Yikes. This is the one picture you chose to make the point she's attractive?
>Police! I'd like to report a robbery! Someone has stolen this woman's waist!
>>71004406
>The theme song turned people off
I hated the theme song at first, and finally grew to like it just before they decided to ramp it up and throw in a shitload of new instruments and then I hated it all over again.
>>71004466
Right, I see what you're saying now. NuTrek is just what we call it because Abrams isn't directing the third instalment so it's no longer appropriate to call it the Abramsverse.
I thoroughly enjoyed the 2009 film and saw it as a nice love letter to the franchise. I really liked Nimoy's interactions with the new cast and had a great time as a long-time fan of the show (I've been watching it since 1992),
It's canon, and it's part of the franchise. I get that it's different, the same way that I get that SWVII doesn't have Lucas' involvement. And if your recommendation is to never touch Abrams' SW or ST films, then that's fine. But they're still part of it and I feel you're doing yourself a disservice to cut out films because someone else didn't like them. Watch all of it, then make up your own mind.
I also need to stress the fact that I said in two of my three orders that NuTrek should be literally the last thing you watch because I feel like we're just skimming over that particular point.
>>71004581
Ew, reminds me of Tara Reid
>>71004458
Look up some of the interviews about him. I'm pretty sure Wang was the one who talked about it. He said he stopped giving a shit around season 4 or 5, wanted to be killed off, and they refused. He kept doing shit like asking for more pay, demanding plot changes, more episodes focused on him, etc. because unlike the rest of the actors, he was single at the time and didn't have anyone to support but himself and WANTED to be fired. But the producers refused and always caved.
>>71004659
I'VE GOT
I'VE GOT
I'VE GOT
>>71004345
>I haven't gotten around to checking out Babylon 5, is it any good? I like DS9 if that's any consolation.
I love Babylon 5, but only the aliens are interesting in that. The humans are all boring as fuck.
So think of it like DS9 but without the fun banter of O'Brien/Bashir or the cuteness of Sisko's baseball obsession.
Garibaldi has one good moment in the entire series (Duck Dodgers), Ivanova has one good moment in the entire series (the mantra), Sheridan has two good moments in the entire series (donating his uniform clip and getthehellouttaourgalaxy). Other than that, the humans are all worthless.
>>71004692
>thoroughly enjoyed the 2009 film and saw it as a nice love letter to the franchise
>Dear Star Trek,
>I love you so much that I remade you without watching any of it and also none of your stories happened any more.
>With Love,
>J. J. "I never got Star Trek" Abrams
>>71004542
picard, those feels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuzoxcErOc8
>>70992055
>Remember when the Bajorans blew up the school for giving a neutral education for multiple species instead of a religious one meant for bajorans?
Bajor deserved everything that happened to it in all honesty.
>>71004632
They mentioned that he lost a small percentage of his pattern over the years. That was probably recent memory of what happened in Generations.
>>70989558
Not so much plotholes and continuity errors as why the fuck didn't do this stuff earlier like Archer transporting Loran's warp drive or that gas torpedo they used to defeat Chang's Bird of Prey in cloaked mode. This shit would've been invaluable in battle.
>>71004757
What about this guy?
>>71004787
>Bajor deserved everything that happened to it in all honesty.
no man, no
>>71003219
Did you forget when Kira and Shakaar enticed a planet wide riot to overthrow Winn? Or how Shakaar was written off the show shortly after being elected and by the end of the series, Bajor STILL wasn't accepted in to the federation?
>>71004841
That's not a human, my friend. That's a freak.
>>71004729
To be fair, Harry Kim was the buttmonkey of Voyager. He remained an ensign for 7 years despite a couple of officers dying. You're telling me there wasn't room for advancement? Or the fact that Harry was constantly attacked and even got replaced by a copy. Wang had a point that the showrunners seemed to shit on Asians in that show.
>>71004757
Sounds like a Rick Berman adventure the whole family can enjoy!
The next generation is incredibly comfy and all that stuff is really the only star trek stuff I like.
Something about it all just makes me so damn comfortable like nothing else.
>>71004841
Russians aren't humans Anon
>>71004859
They are the worst aspects of both jews and muslims all rolled into one whiny murderous cult of extremists.
>>71004870
Kira and Shakaar call off the revolt and instead Shakaar is democratically elected.
Bajor was accepted into the Federation in Rapture. Bajor chose to remain neutral in order to avoid being fucked by the Dominion War.
Your facts are wrong and you're complaining about things that didn't happen.
>>71004889
I like how they even wrote it in to one of the 7th season episodes and Janeway shoots him down with one line..
>"If you're bucking for a promotion.."
>>71004889
>Wang had a point that the showrunners seemed to shit on Asians in that show.
The showrunners didn't know that there's a difference between Koreans and the Chinese.
Wang once asked the producers when Star Trek was going to have a Chinese main character, and they told him that they thought that Kim was chinese.
