Why was this shit?
>>70982092
It was gr8 m80
BRRRRMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
WHY DID TOM CRUISE SAVE THE GIRL WHY DIDN'T HE LEAVE HER TO GET GROUNDED UP INTO RED WEED FUCK FUCK SHE WON'T STOP SCREAMING
>>70982092
No Thunderchild scene
>>70982092
The movie is literally TOM CRUISE RUNS AROUND WITH HIS ANNOYING FAMILY WHILE HE NARROWLY AVOIDS DYING COUNTLESS TIMES
Dakota Fanning was annoying as shit
Tim Robbins scene took too long to develop and turned out to be a laughable waste of time
Ending where his son just shows up was fucing retarded.
Spielberg's worst of the 2000s. But it's his worst sci-fi period.
>>70982200
spooky desu
>aliums can literally travel through space and time, bending the laws of dimensions and taming black wholes greater than our galaxies in the process
>have to literally shoot 7 billion humans one by one with piloted robots to kill us
>even the humans ourselves can use better chemical/biological weapons
>decide to walk around naked and breath our atmosphere because I guess that's what they used to do in space
>die because lol AIDs
You have to admit the story is pants on elbows retarded.
>>70982313
How should it go
>>70982092
it came out when tom cruise came out endorsing scientology so it had that going against it.
>>70982313
>martians
>bending the laws of dimensions and taming black wholes
Wanna know how I know you're a retarded nigger?
>>70982300
>le dakota fanning was annoying meme
have you ever seen a truly frightened kid?
An 8 year old experiencing that kind of trauma would act the same way she was acting. Which is screaming your lungs out.
>tim robbins scene
it was ok. It was a reference to a part of the book
>expecting /tv/ to be informed
>ending when his son show up is retarded.
Not retarded but unecessary.
>spielberg's worst of the 2000
now you know that' just not true, nigga
worst spielberg by far
>>70982460
>have you ever seen a truly frightened kid?
Only when they find me under the bed.
>>70982092
i enjoyed it but the little girl was incredibly annoying
>>70982313
>people complaining about the ending
When will you retards understand that the point of that was that even the smallest of things can have a difference?
>>70982092
Screaming girl and douche bag teenage son. I didn't even hate the movie or anything...but screaming Dakota Fanning and "I'm going to run at the aliens" son just killed it for me.
>>70982313
The original story (Martians invading late 19th century earth) makes more sense
>>70982313
>aliums can literally travel through space and time
ur traveling through space and time right now nigger
>>70982092
underrated as fuck
>They road the lightning down
Seriously why the fuck didn't they just stick with asteroids.
why did tom cruise's son want to join the military so badly even when he was right in the middle of a war zone and they were getting raped by the martians? was he retarded?
>>70982092
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYGWG2_PB_Q
>>70982485
kek
>>70982460
It doesn't matter if it was realistic, she was annoying. There shouldn't have been an 8 year old in the movie at all.
>>70982092
It focused on the annoying family instead of the conflict and chaos of the war.
>this has 73 metascore
scientology tribe runs thick
>>70982329
the aliens winning
>>70982892
it was chosen by Cahiers du Cinema (aka one of the biggest pleb filters there is) as one of the best films of the century
stay pleb there little buddy
and all the other massive plebs in this thread
>>70982092
>Why was this shit?
Because all adaptions of WotW are inferior to this one, pham:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6ckXQoBw2M
>>70983030
>making shit up
>>70983173
1. Mulholland Drive David Lynch United States
2. Elephant Gus Van Sant United States
3. Tropical Malady Apichatpong Weerasethakul Thailand
4. The Host Bong Joon-ho South Korea
5. A History of Violence David Cronenberg Canada
6. The Secret of the Grain Abdellatif Kechiche France
7. Tie Xi Qu: West of the Tracks Wang Bing China
8. War of the Worlds Steven Spielberg United States
9. The New World Terrence Malick United States
10. Ten Abbas Kiarostami Iran
suck a dick
>>70982092
If Spielberg died tomorrow, I don't think anyone would mention any movie he made before 1994, so let's not worry about it.
>>70982778
Focusing on the war specifically would have probably degraded it into generic cig schlock, the main problem was how unlikable and stupid the people we were following around were. Listening and watching their interactions dulled the senses despite some really good scenes like the bodies floating down the river or the whole scene at the pier where the flaming train goes by and the tripods attack people in the water
Some one once posted that Dakota Fanning in this movie could cure pedophilia.
>>70983295
>nobody would discuss Jaws, E.T., Close Encounters, Raiders of the Lost Ark
are you a retard?
>>70983331
I think he meant "after 1994"
>>70983331
>taking the weak bait
>>70983331
he probably meant to say "after 1994" which is still retarded just in another way
>>70983376
>nobody would discuss Saving Private Ryan, A.I. (his best movie and one of the masterpieces of the 21st century), Catch Me If You Can, War of the Worlds (one of his masterpieces), Lincoln, or Bridge of Spies
is he literally retarded?
>>70983322
underrated post
>>70982092
It was great, but not really because of the main story or characters.
What this film did right:
1. Refugee scenes
2. Panicking masses
3. Tripods (that sound is ticking terrifying)
4. Military is seen from a civilian's viewpoint, and was done well (only time we get any exposition is when you hear that one marine saying that their objection is delay their advance so that the survivors can get away), although the last scene where they take down a tripod was unnecessary
5. The entire ferry scene
6. When the mood of the movie is starting to feel a bit relaxed like they're getting ahead of this thing, and then that speeding train on fire shoots by them.
7. "I don't think we're on the same page, Ray."
>>70983426
can't believe in one post you managed to out yourself as a turbo pleb 3 times, twice by praising AI (a butchered Kubrick project) War of the Worlds (won't even begin discussing that one) and NOT mentioning Munich
>>70982433
you sound like one of those people who think we use more that 10% of our brain
>>70982300
The Tim Robbins sequence was literally the best part you pleb.
>>70983478
This
>>70982709
>first few deaths happen off camera, needlessly minimizing their impact
>all those close near-misses that highlight the protagonists plot armor
>that lame "dun dun dun dun" score
Also, I'm not sure about the correct terminology, but that chase scene seems to have a narrow field of view that just feels off.
At least the whale sounds are great.
>>70983389
Fuck. I did. Fucking math.
All his best shit was made before the mid-1990s, Minority Report was kind of a resurgence but still nowhere near the quality of Raiders, Jaws, etc.
And "A.I." was fucking terrible and anyone defending it should feel bad.
>>70982092NOT MY BLOOD
The scene with them in the car and then all those people clamoring to take it still unsettles me. People just turning on each other like that scares the shit out of me.
>>70983426
>Saving Private Ryan
War Cliche: The Movie
>AI
Illogical schmaltz. You could drive trucks through the plotholes.
>Catch Me If You Can
Can we please dispense with this fiction that Leonardo DiCaprio is a great actor? He's charming and that's it, plus apparently Spielberg has a boner for Dads.
>War of the Worlds
Besides using holocaust imagery to sell an alien invasion, there was nothing original or clever about this movie thereafter. This was an ego project.
>Lincoln
Spielberg brought nothing to the table, this was DDL's show.
>Bridge of Spies
He's getting desperate and knows his movies are shit, so had the Coen Brothers write one for him.
>>70983500
absolutely fucking disgusting
it's hilarious that you think I'm revealing my plebdom when it's exactly the opposite
in one post you implied a respect for Kubrick, a disdain for 2 of the best sci-fi movies of the century, and then highlighted one of Spielberg's middlebrow movies that is only decent
not liking A.I. is absolutely one of the biggest signs of a gigantic pleb
>>70983507
>he doesn't use 90% of his brain
>>70983542
I thought WotW was mediocre as shit, but this anon speaks the truth.
>>70983710
I love how plebs always make it so easy to identify themselves. Why are plebs so obsessed with plot details? It's so hilarious. You guys actually believe that plot details are a criteria involved in assessing a movie's merit. Please go elsewhere to carry on your "discussion."
>>70983589
A.I. is upheld as a masterpiece by a slew of the most respected/most insightful critics around mate. Continue being a gigantic plebeian who loves Jurassic Park though.
>>70983239
>2. Elephant Gus Van Sant
Stopped reading there.
>>70983299
This. It makes it so much better when that stuff is "in the background". It kind of was the focus but we got a cooler perspective of it. If we had seen everything, it would have taken the fear and mystery out of it.
Plus, they still managed to work a battle seen in and it was pretty fucking good.
>showing a mass of vehicles, aircraft, and weapons firing at something obscured by the hill
This was so much better than a straightforward CG eyeporn scene where we see everything and soldiers are doing all this melodramatic shit.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ3Muu-K3I0
>>70983721
A.I. would be amazing if Spielberg didn't HAVE to stick his sugary dick into it and turn it into a saccharin piece of shit with the resurrection crap at the end
at times he's completely incapable of making a good ending that doesn't give you diabeetus
>>70983786
what's wrong with Elephant?
>>70982092
Tom Cruise as a dock worker was less believable than a Martian invasion.
>>70983829
Let me guess, you think the ending would have been done differently had Kubrick done it right? Guess what, that was the ending in the original script that Kubrick saw.
Also, you misinterpreted the ending. How anybody can think that witnessing the end of human civilization, and watching a child experience the last happy moment it will ever have before living out its endless days of immortality alone and afraid, is sentimental is beyond me. You sound completely tone deaf.
>>70983507
you. Dumb fucks like you piss me off. We DO use 100% of our brain. We usually only use a fraction of it at one time because certain parts of the brain do certain things. You aren't doing everything at once.
Furthermore, your brains cells are like switches. Like a computer. What cells are firing when determines your thoughts and behavior. If every switch were firing at the same time, you'd be having a seizure followed by death.
>>70982092
Was not original enough.
Was not true enough to the source.
It was that kind of movie that tries way too hard to stay in the middle ground and suffered for it and would have been a great movie if it had been taken totally on one road or another.
But that is the fault of Spielberg and why he is no Fischer or Kubrick when it comes to adapting other's work
am i still banned ?
>>70982620
The book is fucking SHEEP. Maybe I'll give it a reread today.
>>70983710
>saving private Ryan
>cliche
That's like saying Casablanca is cliche for lines like "round up the usual suspects".
If it's the movie that INVENTED the thing that became a cliche, the movie itself wasn't cliche. It was original. And it was probably a classic if people mimick it for the rest of time.
I don't know what you guys think, but the Tripod parts were fucking amazing. But the absolute best part of the movie was -
>The probe goes back out of the house, everything seems ok.
>Everyone's breathing a sigh of relief.
>All of a sudden, bump.
>Water starts to ripple.
>Camera pans to the three characters hiding.
>Behind them a shadow slowly appears.
>The aliens slowly crawl through the house
Had my breath held through that whole part. The atmosphere was amazing. John Williams used some tibetan monks to do some creepy deep-voice drone throughout the entire scene. Find me a more suspenseful scene from the last decade.
>>70983782
>accuses poster of being a pleb
>relies on film critics, the most plebian folks around
If not plot details, what does that leave? Visuals? Art direction? Size of explosions?
To focus on the plot is to actually be intellectual and not just passively absorb your entertainment.
"A.I." is not a masterpiece. It's a hollow shell filled with beautiful visuals and no logic, a visual love letter to cinema made by an optimist (Spielberg) trying to do justice to a pessimist (Kubrick). Pull one thread of the plot and it unravels.
If a movie being pretty is your sole criteria, have at it, I guess. You'll be wrong, but at least you'll be happy while you're watching the flashing pictures on the screen.
>>70983889
>that was the ending in the original script that Kubrick saw.
so says Spielberg. But Sara Maitland who actually was part of the Kubrick project says Kubrick didn't like the happy ending. Also let me quote the original author of the story if you think I'm tone deaf
>at least the ending indicates Spielberg adding some sugar to Kubrick's wine. The actual ending is overly sympathetic and moreover rather overtly engineered by a plot device that does not really bear credence
Brian Aldiss
>>70983998
>SPR invented the things that became cliches.
Have you just not seen a movie that came out before 1998?
>>70984077
This. Movie is filled with those. The entire plot hinges on the parents needing a replacement kid, and then their own kid gets better, and they forget Haley Joel in like five seconds. It's wholly illogical and unlikely, but it drives the plot forward to fuck it.
Spielberg wrote the screenplay and it shows. He's not a writer.
>>70982460
If I was an 8 year old in an alien invasion, I would be cowering on the car floor scared stiff instead of screaming "I WANT MOMMY!"
>>70983987
>The book is fucking SHEEP
Huh?
>>70984024
>Find me a more suspenseful scene from the last
decade.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLCL6OYbSTw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn35dWgffTk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIy-X8-pEoU
>>70984057
You sound like you have an absolutely horrible view of film.
Plot details have nothing to do with substance. Substance is communicated through a number of different things and yes, a major one of those is the photography of the movie. The fact that you dismiss aesthetics as "flashing pictures on the screen" is embarrassing as it suggests that you don't understand that the primary language of film is the camera and that is what is expressing what is going on. Much in the same way that when I open a book I am primarily going to be focusing on the way in which the words convey meaning and beauty.
Plot has one of the lowest requirements of any artform and it speaks to the level on which you engage with film. A.I. is Spielberg's most intellectually compelling movie, one of his most beautiful, and on top of that it contains several of his most moving, heartbreaking characters and relationships.
Also dismissing all critics is absolutely retarded. If you had any knowledge/interest in film you would realize that there are some critics out there who are hugely insightful and can better aid your own appreciation of film.
It sounds like you hate movies though desu.
>>70984169
>>70982092
>>70982200
>you will never see this for the first time again
Cruise can do no wrong
>>70984190
This guy knows what's up.
"Suspense" fits better in a drama, you can't fucking hamfist that into an action movie. "Gosh, I sure feel suspense on it Tom Cruise is going to survive that explosion" is fucking teenager-tier. It's like watching porn and feeling suspense on if there'll be a cream pie or not. Shut up.
>>70984077
again, tell me how that ending is at all sentimental. it is incredibly bleak. and the screenwriter actually says the ending is the same.
also, guess what. Kubrick only made two great movies: 2001 and Eyes Wide Shut. and A.I. is as good as his best one (EWS).
>>70984264
well I'm sure if Kubrick was around he would be very concerned about your critique and he would definitely ask you how you came up with an objective movie comparison scale but I won't bother
I watched this in the cinema. The tripods noise was fucking incredible. Dakota Fanning made me want to kill Dakota Fanning.
>>70984320
>can't explain why he feels a scene is sentimental
>quotes someone else
>refuses to offer an explanation
>chooses a point in a post that is unrelated
>chooses to leave the scene
you sound very stupid
>>70984192
>AI is his most intellectually compelling movie.
I suppose that's true, if you have the brain of a starfish.
There are plenty of films out there where plot is secondary, but to unironically state, "Ignore the plot-holes, it's pretty to look at" just makes you a shallow asshole. Images without meaning are worthless. There is nothing deeper here to sink your brain into. I wasn't dismissing aesthetics as pretty pictures on the screen, I was dismissing THIS SHITTY MOVIE as gorgeous art-direction in the service of a hollow and empty story.
Furthermore, I wasn't dismissing critics, I was dismissing your shitty crutch of using them to support your argument when you have none of your own.
Furthermore, all the flowery language/imagery/pictures in the world don't mean anything if the subject is meaningless. In much the same way Michael Bay movies are pretty to look at, or Tim Burton movies have great art direction, none of that matters because the core they are draped upon is rotten.
Though I admit I'm probably the asshole for being surprised I found an intellectually bankrupt armchair-quarterback on 4chan of all places, who stuck to his guns in spite of having imaginary bullets.
>>70982703
>You will never be seduced by the chaos surrounding you to partake in it
>>70984264
Every single Kubrick movie is great, pick one at random and watch it again.
Spielberg is a great action director, his character-direction is adequate, if he has one non-action masterpiece I'd pick "Empire of the Sun" over the mess that was AI.
>>70984567
Did you seriously just compare A.I. to Michael Bay movies and Tim Burton movies?
are you a literal retard?
A.I. is one of the most fascinating depictions that exists in film of the power of the movies, the fate of cinephiles as being abandoned by the fabricated reality they rely on, the distinctions between the human world and the machine world, and what in fact it could actually mean to be human.
Continue being too dense to see an intelligent movie in front of you though.
>>70984367
I'm not that guy, but it's sentimental because the scene serves an emotion and not the plot. It's just there to make you feel sad.
It's a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
>>70984635
Kubrick is literally one of the first directors 17 year old men get into. He's a good starting point and that is it. His only great movies are Eyes Wide Shut and 2001. Really only Eyes Wide Shut. All that stultifying symmetry is only appealing to people with a limited grasp on aesthetics or people who haven't been exposed to many movies. All that control is so limiting and stagnant, the movies feel completely listless as a result.
>>70984264
>sentimental. it is incredibly bleak
sentimental and bleak aren't opposite terms you fucking moron
>>70982092
Fuck you it is among my top 5 movies ever made
>>70984671
That isn't what the word sentimental means and it is the ending to the plot. How could the ending of the movie that wraps up a long relationship and perfectly sums up the events in a logical way not serve the plot?
Also, how is something being "sentimental" a bad thing? Why are you such a product of your 1995 birth date that you think anything that makes you feel sad is therefore worthless?
>>70984682
actually 17 year olds would say Kubrick is overrated to seem edgy and contrarian, kind of like you're doing now
>>70984642
>Did you seriously just compare A.I. to Michael Bay movies and Tim Burton movies?
While I freely admit they are different genres -- Yes. They're both pretty to look at but are intellectually hollow, and say nothing of significance.
There's nothing to ponder about AI, it's no great milestone in cinema, the screenplay is nothing held up to any high standard, it's a cacophanous mess of images and schmaltz.
But if YOU like it, please continue to do so. But another person isn't dense for calling it not good, because if you think there's a fascinating depiction of anything in that movie, then either (1) you have never seen any other movie, or (2) you are easily fascinated by shiny objects.
>>70984682
This is a common argument made by freshman or very stupid people who fancy themselves intellectuals.
There are more layers in any Kubrick film than in the next ten films combines, but you can't see past the surface level so you dismiss them.
Opinion discarded.
>>70984728
>sums it up in a logical way
That's not what happened. David was sad and then he wasn't. That's not a plot resolution, that's lazy writing.
LOOK WHAT THEY DID TO MY GRANDMAMA!
>>70982092
The ferry scene where they lure the people into a trap was horrifying.
Dakota Fanning was so incredibly fucking overrated. I could never watch anything with Little Miss Actor Cunt in it
Honestly, WotW would have been better if they'd had an actual child in that role. She's fucking horrible, as is the Robbie kid.
>>70982460
yeah i hate children, if i were to take care of a child during the apocalypse i'd probably kill it myself
>>70984682
>implying Dr. Strangelove isn't one of the most brilliant comedies ever written
>>70982092
>shit
It was pure kino.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0UoU2GKcV0
who /artilleryman/ here?
>>70984567
theme and ideas are more important than plot, you twat
>>70982659
>Road
The children brought it down but the alien tripods and the suspense were bretty good.
Story wise it wasnt good and thats not counting the parts taken from the original
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>>70985642
>>70982092
the constantly screaming little shit
>>70982703
It was just so odd, like dad they need me, you have to let me go. Like wtf would a guy with no training do? The whole scene would had been saved had they made son be on vacation from the army or something
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>>70990335
GOOD NEWS THEY COULD STILL FEEL ELECTRICITY
>shit that should stay in literary form
>>70982300
>Ending where his son just shows up was fucing retarded.
I agree.
>>70986681
what a waste of loli
this was so much better.
>>70982092
the concept of advanced aliens having 0 biosecurity doesn't work that well with modern audiences compared to when it was written.
>>70983478
>When the mood of the movie is starting to feel a bit relaxed like they're getting ahead of this thing, and then that speeding train on fire shoots by them.
But that was totally fucking retarded.
>>70982519
it's not believable at all
Even WE at the moment can tell what makes up planets in our galaxy for the most part. We know what can kill us. Our planet is %75 water or some bullshit. There is no fucking way such an advanced species could make a mistake like that
>>70982659
>road
People like you are why ISIS is winning.
>>70984682
>this meme again
>>70990750
They didn't die because if water, retard. Their machines were organic based and somehow the microbial life on Earth had a fondness for it.
>>70990750
>>70992058
THEY WERE KILLED BY THE COMMON COLD YOU NIGGERS
>>70982620
But the ending is the same. There is no climax. It's pretty boring overall.
Though from a 19th century standpoint, I can see how it was exciting. Nevertheless, after page upon page of nothing, suddenly blah. That was disappointing, despite knowing what I got into.
>>70983239
>4. The Host
