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So, past efforts, how would you approach a Fantastic Four movie?
>>70977127
I wouldn't. The property itself isn't particularly good. They've tried 3 times now and have never made it work.
>>70977127
To be honest the first half of the new movie was pretty alright. It went to completely mediocre stuff after Miles Teller escapes the facility because the timeskip didn't allow us to watch the characters grow into their powers.
>>70977127
Give it to Marvel
Wait...
Profit like a mother fucker
>>70977127
best f4ntastic kino script coming thru
The problem is that the villains are the best part of the Fantastic 4. The Fantastic 4 themselves are pretty shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDzBVvhbtIw
>>70977127
As a science fiction adventure, rather than a superhero movie. Don't waste time on the origins, definitely don't make another whole movie focused on it. Doom can be in it, but not as the first film's villain, Annihilus, Mole Man or Super Skrull would be cool to see.
The main character is Doom, and always has been, Richards is only interesting to the degree that he rustles Victor and does crazy shit that is far beyond mortal authority
A good F4 film should emphasize that these two intelligence-based characters very commonly participate in events and cause problems that mere 'gods' are helpless against
Trying to humanize these characters is exactly wrong, they are the farthest thing from humans in the entire marvel universe. Richards is more disastrous in his meddling than a Old God or some equally extra-versal calamity, and Doom is so arrogant that he doesn't conform to human standards either
>>70977207
top fucking kek
>>70977149
This. I think they can work as support characters in other hero movies but Doom definitely works as a primary villain.
>>70977127
Make it trilogy
> 1st is about getting powers and has annihilus from negative zone as villain
> 2nd movie has doom, they get invited to latveria and doom wants to get revenge on reeds
> 3rd has galactus and shit
Also, spider-man cameo.
>>70977127
it would need a campy spirited tone very similar to the Sam Raimi spiderman movies
>>70977127
Why is Captain America the fire dude?
Fox needs to pull a sony, and let Marvel have the creative control.I would try to introduce Dr. Doom in a movie prior to the fantastic 4, maybe in doctor strange or black panther or something.It would be better as a period piece. You can bring in Hank Pym and introduce Wasp and other characters from silver age possibly. Just show the origin accident in a brief sequence. and then you could do fantastic four and intro galactus or silver surfer in teh first movie, allude to the space shit infity whatever, while playing doom as the thanos for future movies, but hes been introduced already in some other movie. just ntro old fantastic four in infity war movies, and then you can do flashback films and dr. doom centered stories with the fantastic four as his adversaries
Is it even possible to make Mr. Fantastic not look stupid as fuck?
>>70977127
>pic
What number comes next in the series:
1994, 2005, 2015, _____
>>70977229
Yeah The Silver Surfer's plight is interesting shit
>Gigantic cosmic being promises not to eat your world only if you continually lead him to other people's worlds
>>70977127
>The Fantastic Four
>Now featuring the Subhuman Torch
Make it a dark and edgy story about lust, pride and sloath
>>70977417
Because Evans is an all around hero.
>>70977529
Gigantic cosmic space cloud*
Set it in a retro 60s Art Deco landscape, let Brad bird direct
All female cast
>>70977127
>>70977667
With the exception of a boy named Sue.
>>70977460
marvel can use the same cast, but just have it set in the 60s and 70s like the xmen movies. we can ignore that trank movie, but the same cast will just exist in the past. then get like tom hanks to make a cameo as an old reed richards.
Give it to marvel
>>70977687
pretty much this
sci fi family is their most unique aspect
>>70977127
Why does 2005 look worse than 1994? Also 2015 Thing was best Thing.
>>70977229
This is the Doom we need
>>70977792
>Not getting the reference
>>70977689
Life ain't easy for a boy named Sue.
>>70977127
Assuming Marvel gets the rights? Go ham. Full ham. But I'd also do the unpopular thing and set the movie initially in the 60's. Which would mesh well as to why the FF aren't around for the rest of the MCU, and also sets up Doom as a sleeper.
The FF do their space science mission in the 60's, it goes wrong, they get lost in space but get their abilities, however the Doom with them died. Because he was a Doombot (of which they have no idea). Dramatic cut after they throw down exposition about getting back to earth and wandering around space and all that jazz. Regardless, they eventually land on a planet they think is Earth, it's not, instead we get more sprinkles of planet Hulk (assuming the set up for it already happened in Thor: Ragnarok) They have their dramatic bullshit with Hulk and his alien pals, and eventually Hulk and the FF find their way back to Earth after some alien punching.
Turns out their getting lost was due to the real Doom wanting Reed to fuck off forever. So the FF return home, Hulk wants to go do his revenge thing, but Doom interjects in full Doom regalia, much to everyone's surprise, turns out he has been studying the mystical arts since he sabotaged the initial FF mission and surprise kicks their collective asses, including Hulk's, only to find out that the FF were Skrulls all along as a stinger because the real FF are still lost in space.
Which would lead to possible sequels with the real FF escaping the Skulls, and include but are not limited to, a Doom solo movie, the Annihilation Wave with the Nova Corps, the Negative Zone, more Guardians bullshit, and whatever else Marvel wants to throw in related to space.
No origin story. Just set things up by going right to the core of the family, their fears, desires, relationships and Doom.
Base it on pic related, Fantastic Four: 1234 by Grant Morrison.
>>70977127
reboot and remake the entire franchise, The Thing is stupid and lame, so is Torch, he's just flame guy #5436435747
invisibility and force fields is kinda neat, but coolest thing about F4 is Richards intelligence and shit, and Doom ofc
>>70977127
>2005 Fantastic 4 had a director so shit, it made Jessica question her acting career
Don't forget to cry "pretty" guys
>>70977916
what was he thinking about?
>>70978045
I'd rather you just kill yourself but we can't all get what we want
>>70977984
Cuckoldry.How to beat Doom at his own reality warping game
>>70977127
Give it to Nolan.
He always turns it into a good film that has potential to be great but somehow he stops it short from happening but it's still entertaining nonetheless/10.
>>70977984
I don't need to because the 2005 one was perfect.
>>70977127
Instead of paying lip-service to making it "body horror" follow an actual Cronenberg/Verhoeven model by creating a fairly bright and upbeat movie with moments of weird gross shit, make the characters' transformations bizarre and frightening at first, things they have to overcome, master and control. Meanwhile rip Doom's origin story from the comics - he's a Latverian heir who's Reed's classmate in college but gets easily frustrated (not "flexible" enough) and trashes experiments at the first sign of failure. Their first teleportation machine fucks up and explodes, giving Doom scars. He wears bandages on his face, horrified by his disfigurement but it's revealed he actually just has a minor scar that doesn't look so bad to anyone but him. He returns to Latveria and forges the Doom mask, putting it on while it's still red hot to truly disfigure himself. There's your origin story for everyone.
>There will never be a good F4 movie.
>There will never be a good Green Lantern movie.
>There will never be an Aquaman movie.
>>70977916
Just set them up in the background, a cameo in another Marvel movie here and there. They don't need a movie after three, everyone pleb knows about them now and at this point most people who already knew don't want more possible brand damage. So just give them good snippets, like five seconds of Tony talking tech with Reed about a problem, or the Human Torch helping out Spider-Man because they're basically best friends and then flying off. Just establish that yes, the Fantastic Four are a thing, why don't they have a bigger presence? Because like the Avengers they're always doing shit, but the Fantastic Four do more dimension and space fair so are rarely around to help Earth drama. If people bite with that, then maybe Marvel could try another movie with just their stuff.
>>70978289
>but it's revealed he actually just has a minor scar that doesn't look so bad to anyone but him
No. Though I agree with Kirby that his "disfigurement" should be tied to his pride and vanity by a small scar rather than hamburger face like Stan wanted it to be, we should never see Victor's face after he becomes Doom. Hell, we should most often be in doubt if it's the real Doom they're dealing with at all, seeing that he has an army of near identical Doombots that can carry out his tasks with human-like precision.
>>70978473
This is actually worse news.
With possibly Mikkelsen as Doom and you're set.
>>70977127
Alright OP, I'm going to blow your mind. Ready?
Doom in the comics recently became God and after begrudgingly genuflecting has not been seen much since.
So, fuck everything, Doctor Doom, from marvel's mainline comic book continuity decides to take a vacation in the actual MCU. Literally dimension hopping his way into the movies from the Books all meta and shit. It's his movie, not the FF's, he goes to the MCU because they don't exist there, specifically for that reason. There, that's your movie. A Doom film about Doom doing anti-villain Doom things in a world where he fixes things in his special way and the FF can't intervene.
>>70978498
The minor scar was before he went all the way and became Doom though. It's great irony and a subversion of the usual "disfigured supervillain" that he only got a slight scar from the accident, but deliberately fucks his face up beyond repair after that by putting on a red-hot mask fresh out of the Latverian forge. Obviously they should never show him without the mask once he's put it on.
>>70978449
I somewhat agree with you. Though I'd like to see a movie or a tv show one day, set them up in the MU at least at the beginning by having them in the background, or even just as a part of history (maybe the space mission was conducted in the 60s but no one has heard of them since, leaving Doom to welcome them and the world internationally once they appear again or something).
Though, like The X-Men, The Fantastic Four don't quite make sense within Marvel continuity. Here we have this godly adventure-scientists experimenting with miracle technologies that go beyond what Tony is making, that somehow don't spill into the real world to benefit mankind or even their standards of living.
It's such an oversight, it inspired an entire comicbook series by Warren Ellis that took a critical look at such "demi-gods".
do they have any villain that ISN'T doctor doom?
also i wouldn't make it an origin story or waste 80% of the runtime having them sit around doing nothing productive.
>>70978739
>I was once a god. I found it beneath me.
>>70977232
>science fiction adventure
>Annihilus, Mole Man or Super Skrull
Those are all capeshit
>>70978824
In this thread alone Moleman, Galactus, and the Skrulls have all been mentioned.
Literally all three of those were made so the rights wouldn't be lost. Marvel could probably pull it off. They did with Ant Man and thats an even lesser property than F4.
>>70978776
>but deliberately fucks his face up beyond repair after that by putting on a red-hot mask fresh out of the Latverian forge.
That was a relatively recent compromise made by Ed Brubaker in order to bridge the gap between how Jack Kirby wanted it and Stan Lee wanted it.
I enjoyed his Books of Doom, but I (and I imagine other Kirby fans) wasn't quite satisfied with that.
>Next Avengers movie
>News in background talking about the 30' anniversary of the 4 astronauts who lost in space during the entire movie.
>Shit happens, the Avengers save the day. Happy ending.
>Butwait.jpg
>News report about a strange object entering the atmosphere.
>Ohshit.png
>The thing is so fast that neither the government nor the Avengers can do anything about it.
>The thing from the sky is a spaceship.
>The spaceship lands in New York.
>News reporters, tanks, soldiers, all the fucking people is there.
>Spaceship opens its doors.
>The Fantastic 4 show up.
>Credits Rolls.
>>70978824
Several, lots of space villains.
with a stick
>>70978124
Truly the thinking man's fetish
>Dr. Doom saddled to this shit franchise
>>70979013
I just want Doom and Purple Man to exist in the same continuity.
The FF actually have some really great moments but I just want Doom.
>they acquired their powers a long time ago
>instead of being superheroes, they led lives as scientists, explorers, and philanthropists
>world is dumbstruck when they disappear into space, and never heard from again
>over the course of their space adventures, the team broke up (also they have somewhat reduced aging)
>over the course of Phase 4, individually reintroduce them into different movies
>Examples: Thing shows up in a Guardians 3, Johnny Storm in a Spider-Man 2, Reed in Captain Marvel 2, Sue in a Black Panther 2, Doom in a Avengers 4, etc.
Face it: Fox has polluted the brand. The words 'Fantastic 4 reboot' do not excite anyone even if you add Marvel Studios' in front. Through individual re-introductions, audiences can relate to the characters on the personal level, get to know them emotionally, and learn to love them again. Marvel would be free from the pressure of a reboot, audiences would be free from the nausea of a reboot, and the characters would be free to be individuals instead of forced chariactures in the team concept. The culmination of a Fantastic 4 reunion becomes something people will actually be excited about.
Anyone that thinks they just do a fullstop reboot is a idiot who's learned nothing from the characters' string of bombs. You need CHARACTERS, not stereotypes you fill into team like baby blocks.
>>70977914
>I'd also do the unpopular thing and set the movie initially in the 60's
That's the only thing people ever suggest.
>>70978712
>smirkfu as invisible woman
>stephen motherfucking graham as thing
Focus almost entirely on nailing Doom's characterisation. Nothing else matters. Nothing.
>>70979119
>>70978942
Wait, as in how recent? The comic I'm thinking of was from like the 60s or 70s, I remember reading it as a kid and that particular part really stuck out to me. It's really a great origin story to show the characteristics of Doom that lead him to become a supervillain, and it makes him a perfect foil to the FF, whose entire physical forms are fucked up but they learn how to live with it. I think a FF movie would go a long way by showing their transformations at the beginning not as them immediately being super-humans, but actual freaks. Like Dr. Fantastic can't stop his body melting and warping into silly putty, Johnny is constantly on fire and can't control his movements, the Thing is in pain from his skin turning into rocks, and there was one idea in I think the Trank FF that Susan Storm would appear as skinless or as a skeleton because she couldn't control her invisibility, sort of a Hollow Man thing. Establishing them as truly fucked by their mutations, then showing how they learn to not only cope with them but take advantage of them to become superhuman, would contrast perfectly with Doom getting one little scar and letting that ruin his entire life and make him a total misanthrope.
>>70979097
I was being factitious anon.
>>70978942
No, that bit was written by Byrne in the 80s.
>>70979119
>Smirkfu
could take it or leave it. I honestly can't think of a really perfect Invisible Woman or Dr. Fantastic. Stephen Graham on the other hand fcfuck yes
>>70979013
Dr. Doom is at his best when dealing with the four. Without them, he's half the character.
>>70978942
He can fix his face wherever he wants he's the second most powerful sorcerer after Doctor Strange.
>>70978824
a silver sulfer / galactus storyline actually done well with top tier cgi could be amazing, but it's unlikely that they'd try that after it's already been attempted and fucked uo
>>70977935
Story definitely had a kind of porny/trashy aesthetic when it came to the ladies, I can really believe Alba's claim about him wanting her to cry pretty.
>>70978865
>Sci Fi adventures can't have antagonists
That's retarded. Just don't make it about fighting Doom to save New York or the World, or being government super soldiers or some other retreaded capeshit plot.
Mole man, with a time machine/journey to the center of the earth vibe. Or skrulls infiltrating Earth like invasion of the body snatchers, with Super skrull as the leader. Or traveling to the Negative Zone and get captured by Annihilus.
These would make for some simple, but classic sci fi adventure stories.
>>70977127
ioan grufford is best grufford
>hornblower
It's not like Thor is in any better shape. But Marvel makes it work. They can do the same for the FF.
>>70977127
How come 1994 looks the best?
Was the movie really that bad?
Follow the comics, of course.
>>70979401
It was mediocre. Nowhere near the Blade sequels or Elektra in terms of bad.
>>70977149
>Dr Doom was Lucas inspiration for Darth Vader.
>Somehow they can't translate it to the movies.
Which Doom would you like best? Smug, mocking, comical yet strong Doom.
Or Holy Christ how the fuck is he so fucking unstoppable hot damn DOOM ENDURES Doom?
>>70979295
what the fuck is up with ioan grufford? literally the only ff cast member who had zero career before or after the movie
>>70977127
The 2000 fantastic four was better than most marvel shit today
>>70977127
The people here saying FF is a boring property never read the classic run, and guaranteed never read the two Thing solos. Ben Grimm is one of the best Marvel heroes of all time, and as a family the FF work amazingly. The problem is the focus.
First film needs to establish that they are explorers moreso than heroes. Start it with Them coming back from a cool space adventure in hopes of finding new civilizations. Since Namor is off limits to FOX, I'd make the first villain the Moleman. Have Reed contract with the US military to go underground and look for the cause of massive earthquakes destroying multiple military bases around the world. Make it a "Journey to the Center of the Earth" story, leading the family to meet the Moleman, who has gained control of the Moloids and underground monsters. Moleman has been targeting military bases in preparation for an attack on the surface. As the FF attempt to stop him, Moleman takes interest in the Thing, who he believes to be of the same kin as him: Hated, considered a monster by the surface.
Have the movie end with a big fight that parallels FF #1. Focus on how well they work as a team.
Movie 2 I would have Doom, who is already the leader of Latveria, and is racing Reed to reach the Negative Zone.
Movie 3 would be the FF in the Negative Zone fighting Annihilus, taking cue from his first appearance and Annihilation. Establish the Watcher watching the team, and realizing they might be his only chance as stopping Galactus.
Movie 4 would be the finale, adapting the Coming of Galactus and showing the return of Dr. Doom as an uneasy ally only helping to save his people. Franklin Richards is introduced, and Reed starts to realize that he isn't getting any younger, and questions if he still has it in him to save the day. Ben has become a celebrity, and has moved in with his blind girlfriend Alicia. The film hints at a Silver Surfer spinoff.
>>70979614
>telling lies on the internet
>>70978831
Here.
>>70978712
Replace Johnny and I'm ok with this. Hes supposed to be a jock type pretty boy ladies man
>>70979664
Thank you. I actually only knew that line from Marvel Heroes.
>>70979421
>>70979474
I agree, a hot cup of ss for MU Spodermen.
>>70977127
Like Fox did it. Shitty comics deserves a shitty movie.
Adapt the Ultimate Universe version.
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>>70978739
>Doom doing anti-villain Doom things
Fuck that. You have Doom doing all of his usual shit. You have the FF trying to stop him the entire way. You have them actually stop him. And then you pull the giant space panther.
>>70977127
by making it all cannon since Reeds main thing is interdiminsional shit.
Make deal with fox like sony to get to use xman and ff
At the end of phase 3 have reality altered so xmen and ff have been apart of the universe all along.
phase 4 is when the weird shit is gonna start anyway
>>70978789
Damn I like the Dennis and Rock casting. No need for minority Torch since the Rock is in it thouhg.
Brad Bird is the best option.
His career took a hit after Disney meddled with Tomorrowland.
Just give him a budget and let him go crazy.
>>70979804
Yeah ok. But no goat legs.
>>70977127
Bury it.
At this point the only way to possibly salvage it is through crossing it over with X-men or Deadpool. Otherwise they're just throwing away money trying to revive it within the Marvel time frame.
>>70979664
>>70979823
Doom being the asshole villain who's secretly heroic and right is the best Doom.
>>70979401
>How come 1994 looks the best?
Roger Corman knew how to make enjoyable, if cheap, B-movies. He's still pretty proud of his F4, as I understand.
>Was the movie really that bad?
Some people consider it the best F4 film. It just never got any sort of official release, likely because its production was essentially just a means to hold onto the rights for a while longer.
>>70979924
Definitely.
>Reed and Ben are childhood friends.
>They're both recruited for the Baxter Institute and meets Sue, Johnny and Victor.
>They attempt to achieve teleportation. Victor meddles with the calculations because he thinks he knows better and they all get their powers.
>Victor is presumed dead, the Four have to deal with learning how to control their powers and fending off Annihilus.
>Stinger is that Victor is still alive.
>Sequel is Victor seizing control of Latveria and causing an international incident that the Fantastic Four must defuse. Maybe even include Namor.
>Third movie is the Galactus saga.
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Revive Raul Julia and cast him as Doom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5mKeEvJ41w
>>70979753
Milf Sue x Teen Spidey
>>70980020
What you just described is the Trank flick yet you wrote it out as if its new and inventive
>>70979804
No thank you, I don't want to see evil Reed on the big screen job as hard as he did in the comics.
That sucked. The Ultimate Universe was dying anyway, Marvel should have given ultimate Reed the win, but no, they always fuck it up their events at the end.
The Ultimate Universe was where Marvel's last good ideas went to die.
>>70979753
>>70977501
all female cast. johnny is a trap
>>70980285
>Female thing
Marvel comics did that already, it went poorly.
>>70979155
Where can I buy this?
>>70977127
More quips.
Let DC producers/directors handle it
>>70980188
Man, I remember following that event on /co/ and everyone being hyped as fuck about it because Reed was wrecking shit left and right. Then they switched writers and it went to complete shit at the end and just pissed off everyone. Now I had no problem with him losing, in fact I was expecting it from the beginning, but they just had to pick one of the dumbest ways possible and ruin the whole thing
>>70979753
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>>70977127
Make an FF movie instead, starring Paul Rudd
>>70980384
wasn't she always trying to kill herself but her skin was too thick or something?
The Fantastic Four have always been about high concept extra dimensional science shenanigans, do that. All the their best in the comics comes from the humor and strangeness that they get into while using the all powerful Doom as a straight man foil. The Fantastic Four are now one of the few comic book characters Marvel has left that are an active family group who still have family problems that aren't solved by punching.
Do that shit. Otherwise you never get Doom being a god-parent to his arch nemesis, or Reed having a daughter who likes said god-parent more than him, who she actively calls "Uncle Doom". You never get a group of Reed's from separate dimensions that form a council of just Reeds who try and solve universal problems in a ways that end up far more evil than any villain. You never get Sue Storm secretly still being Malice, or Kang the Conquer, who considers the Fantastic Four his greatest foes while being Reed Richards' great great great great great grandson.
>>70977127
The 1994 version is perfect
https://youtu.be/MrdWCPeSb60
