>Leave spiritual kino to me
What did he mean by this?
>10/10 t b h famalam
What did I mean by this?
>>70962461
he wants to guide you into the light
>>70964127
Unironic same
i unironically didnt enjoy this. gonna watch badlands
>>70964586
What didnt you like?
>>70965078
well i felt like it was all emptiness. But like a bland story. And some loose stuff. Like something was missing in some parts of the film, like a unfinished work.
>>70965157
KoC isnt empty, while it might be about emptiness of life like Rick's.
Try watching the last three chronologically, that worked for me.
>>70965531
which last 3?
>>70965635
latest three films, Tree of Life, To the Wonder and Knight of Cups.
>>70965791
will do then lad.
Perhaps no film in the history of cinema follows the movement of memory as faithfully, as passionately, or as profoundly as Terrence Malick’s new film, “Knight of Cups.” It’s an instant classic in several genres—the confessional, the inside-Hollywood story, the Dantesque midlife-crisis drama, the religious quest, the romantic struggle, the sexual reverie, the family melodrama—because the protagonist’s life, like most people’s lives, involves intertwined strains of activity that don’t just overlap but are inseparable from each other. The movie runs less than two hours and its focus is intimate, but its span seems enormous—not least because Malick has made a character who’s something of an alter ego, and he endows that character with an artistic identity and imagination as vast and as vital as his own.
As such, “Knight of Cups” is one of the great recent bursts of cinematic artistry, a carnival of images and sounds that have a sensual beauty, of light and movement, of gesture and inflection, rarely matched in any movie that isn’t Malick’s own. Here, he—and his cinematographer, Emmanuel Lubezki—surpass themselves. Where “The Tree of Life” is filled with memories, is even about memory, “Knight of Cups” is close to a first-person act of remembering, and the ecstatic power of its images and sounds is a virtual manifesto, and confession, of the cinematic mind at work.
>>70965828
Sure, I can agree with that
lol
post YFW Voyage of TIme this year
>>70966714
And 2 versions at that, one in IMAX
is it me or has the collective IQ of this already pretty substandard board shot down and diminished these last few weeks? proof: the countless posts in this thread that add nothing of value. some are even reposts of the same dumb things in the previous thread about KoC yesterday. are the memes here just devoid of wit? yeah, i think i'll fuck off for a while.
>>70966940
>is it me or has the collective IQ of this already pretty substandard board shot down and diminished these last few weeks? p
Considering language got dumped down to 'meme, meme meme, meme xDDD' the *effective IQ* of the board is in the shitter.
>>70965828
> Malick has made a character who’s something of an alter ego
Any writer that uses his characters as alter-egos is shit, because he doesn't have the ability to create nothing new, yet he uses experiences from his life to build a story.
I'm not judging the movie, because I haven't seen it, but alter-ego characters are always shit.
>>70964127
You think he's a genious because he adapted an old story to the modern times?
>>70967091
>authors don't base their characters on their own experiences
>you can't adapt universal stories for modern cinema because that would be bad
Well tipp'd
>>70967058
how does this site have any credibility
>>70967154
People who do that are usually poor writers, they can't do a new story, they do everything based on their experiences it's a cheap escapism for them.
>>70967149
I'm not saying the movie is shit, I'm saying that writers who use alter-egos on any media are shitty writers, not because of the quality of their story, but because they lack any imagination and their stories are hostages from their own experiences.
>>70967327
>Retarded generalizations.
>Hasn't even seen the film and comes to shit on it.
nek urself kid
>>70967355
Of course not.
>>70967401
It is, Bob Odenkirk admitted that in a interview, and guess what, he's a shitty writer, like many others who do the same.
>>70967461
What the ever loving fuck has Odenkirk got to do with Malick
Fuck off to /s4s/ or whatever shit hole you crawled out of
>The first poster for the film features 'The Tree Of The Soul' by Dionysius Andreas Freher (1649-1728), a Christian mystic born in Germany, who was particularly fascinated by and wrote extensively about the ideas of Jacob Böhme (1575-1624), a German mystic, philosopher and theologian who believed that humans fall from grace, and that in order to find God again, they have to go through hell first.
>Böhme's mentor was Abraham Behem who corresponded with Valentin Weigel. Böhme joined the "Conventicle of God's Real Servants" - a parochial study group organized by Martin Möller. Böhme had a number of mystical experiences throughout his youth, culminating in a vision in 1600 as one day he focused his attention onto the exquisite beauty of a beam of sunlight reflected in a pewter dish. He believed this vision revealed to him the spiritual structure of the world, as well as the relationship between God and man, and good and evil. At the time he chose not to speak of this experience openly, preferring instead to continue his work and raise a family.
>Another place where Böhme may depart from accepted theology (though this was open to question due to his somewhat obscure, oracular style) was in his description of the Fall as a necessary stage in the evolution of the Universe.[14] A difficulty with his theology is the fact that he had a mystical vision, which he reinterpreted and reformulated.[15] According to F. von Ingen, to Böhme, in order to reach God, man has to go through hell first. God exists without time or space, he regenerates himself through eternity, so Böhme, who restates the trinity as truly existing but with a novel interpretation. God, the Father is fire, who gives birth to his son, whom Böhme calls light. The Holy Spirit is the living principle, or the divine life.[16]
What did they mean by this?Seriously, what the fuck did they mean by this? What exactly is christian mysticism? I can't find any easy explanation for these ideas.
Speaking of LA alt-comics like Bob odenkirk why the fuck were Dan Harmon and guys from The State in this fucking movie?
>>70967496
You lack the capacity to understand a sentence? Bob Odenkirk is a shit writer, he writes stories based on his experiences instead of creating an original one. Malick did the same in this movie, which means he's shit as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_mysticism
I don't get it. I can't find a single explanation for this stuff that isn't mystical. You can't define mystical ideas in a mystical manner. In order for a hammock to leisurely it has to be made in a non-leisurely manner- if you don't make the hammock seriously you won't be able to relax because it'll collapse as soon as lie on it and you'll hurt yourself.
Likewise don't be mystical when you're explaining what mysticism is to people new to it.
>>70967620
Yeah sure he did you little faggot that admitted to not watching it
Epic shitposts bro, fucking brilliant
>>70967606
>as a single gust of wind suddenly blew his hat up into the sky.[25][26][27]
He truly is the modern day John Ford.
>>70967654
It's cheap escapism no matter what. I'm not the only one who says that btw, there were several writers that were criticized to write stories based on their own experiences instead of creating one. I'm not saying the movie is shit for christ sake, I'm saying the writer is shit, the story could be good, but there was nothing to do with his creativity, which means that he's a shit writer.
btw Bob admitted it, not Malick.
>>70967805
>Talking about Bob.
>In a thread about Malick.
>While lying.
>>70967513
Check out Jacob's Ladder Meister Eckhart if you haven't already.
>>70967857
I'M GIVING AN EXAMPLE. I'm probably talking to an ape.
>because Malick has made a character who’s something of an alter ego
>Alter-ego, character based on the writer
>Which means that he writes about his experiences, which makes him a shitty writer
>Like Odenkirk or Barreto (considered the 2nd best writer in my country, yet the foreword of one of his books there's one of the best sociologists of my nation saying how shit that book was, because it wasn't creative, it was a rehash of his memories turned in a story)
GOT IT NOW?!
>>70967949
Link?
>>70968009
I've never written a screenplay.
I'm just saying he's not as good as you guys worship him.
>>70968049
>He still talks about Bob in a thread about Malick while lying through his teeth and trying to save his face.
You wouldn't talk about Bob if you had watched KoC, you'd be talking about Malick, you admitted to not watching KoC and just shitposting.
Neck urself lebanon
>>70968061
What is Sufi?
I'm looking at the wiki for sufism and I don't get it.
>>70968054
meant to separate the two
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob%27s_Ladder_(film)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meister_Eckhart
>>70968106
Check out Gnosticism, Plato, Neoplatonism, and Aristotle if you're really that interested. Then move on to christian mysticism. Christian mysticism is an offshoot of a lot of philosophical ideas.
>>70968099
Why would I lie here? I'm just trying to say that he's not a great writer because he didn't create the story, it's based on his experiences. The movie can be good, the story as well, I'm saying that TM, the person, is a shit writer, because he's not creative.
>>70968117
Their books can be good, but if they wrote them based on their experiences rather than creating one, that makes them bad writers, because their books are cheap escapism. I'm not saying the books are bad, they can be masterpieces, but they were not conceived through creativity, but through experiences.
>>70968380
Here he goes again! Writing about Bob Odenkirk in a Malick thread talking how shit Malick is!
Also completely detached notions of how outdated tabula rasa is.
>>70966705
the death of the old, and the birth of the new
>>70968537
I prefer Harold Robbins, Tom Clancy, Robert Ludlum, Jacqueline Susann, and John Grisham tbqph senpai.
>>70968661
Jesus Christ.
>>70968705
>>70968737
>"What did they mean by this?" he wonderered to himself curiously as he opened up the reply box excitedly, ready for another few minutes of unproductive procrastination.
>>70968418
I used Bob as an example. I like Malick, I'm just saying he's not creative as a writer (because there are people who conceive stories who are created by them, therefore they are better writers, but the stories can be worse, I'm talking more about the process rather than quality of the story itself). But he's a master filmmaker.
>>70968426
Shit is not a good adjective, I'm just stating that they are not creative enough due to writing based on their experiences and the best writers are the ones who concieve something that was created by them. My bad
>>70968969
I'm this guy
>>70968661
Not this guy, btw.
>>70968661
>>70968705
>>70968737
>>70968817
In all seriousness, everyone always says "popular fiction has always been mostly trash, it's just that we don't remember the trash that used to be popular, we only remember the things that have lasted the test of time." but I'm not sure that's the case. Sure, you could say popular fiction has always been trash in terms of content, but in terms of technique and prose I see a definite aesthetic decline compared to 100 years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publishers_Weekly_list_of_bestselling_novels_in_the_United_States_in_the_1910s
Take any any random passages from any of these forgotten popular books and I guarantee you they're better written than anything on the best-seller list today.
>>70968969
Here he goes on about retarded backpedaling while talking about Bob and Odenkirk after admitting he hasn't seen Knight of Cups while shitting on it
Knight of Cups is about a man seeking the solar strength inside himself. This is the spiritual masculinity of the Hindu kshatriyas, the Hesiodic heroes, and even Arthur and his knights.
This is what Rick is talking about when he says he can still remember the "man he wanted to become."
This isn't about becoming le epin manly man XDD, but attaining a Center in oneself that transcends and conquers the feminine, lunar world of flux, image, emptily beautiful women and fleeting pleasures.
For this kind of spirituality, ever action is sacrifice, and every moment is consecrated. The man does not Le for the content of experience, for "the love experience", but for the fact of experience itself.
When Rick's father says he can't even name this nebulous thing that he hungers for, it's because he thinks it will be some particular experience, some image or woman that will be just right that will eradicate his desire for wholeness forever. But this is a mistake. Plotinus said desire does not negate privation, but creates it.
This world, or even the individual's own hedonism treadmill, doesn't burn with craving because it just hasn't happened to acquire this perfect happiness yet. No, it is the principle of craving and eternal insufficiency ITSELF.
Rick compares suicidal depression to being swallowed by a snake. Most people take this line at face value, and it is a great line. But the snake is also an esoteric symbol of wisdom and knowledge of the subtle mysteries. The snake is hell, but once you come out the other end it is transformed into life and wisdom. The lunar Whore becomes the virgin, the snake trampled at its feet. The solar male has taken his rightful Seat. He's found the pearl.
>>70968864
Nothing worse than bad adverbs usage, except perhaps redundant adverbs.
>>70969051
Here's an example of what I mean, here's the opening paragraph to the best-selling book of 100 years ago, Seventeen, by Booth Tarkington
>William Sylvanus Baxter paused for a moment of thought in front of the drug-store at the corner of Washington Street and Central Avenue. He had an internal question to settle before he entered the store: he wished to allow the young man at the soda-fountain no excuse for saying, "Well, make up your mind what it's goin' to be, can't you?" Rudeness of this kind, especially in the presence of girls and women, was hard to bear, and though William Sylvanus Baxter had borne it upon occasion, he had reached an age when he found it intolerable. Therefore, to avoid offering opportunity for anything of the kind, he decided upon chocolate and strawberry, mixed, before approaching the fountain. Once there, however, and a large glass of these flavors and diluted ice-cream proving merely provocative, he said, languidly--an affectation, for he could have disposed of half a dozen with gusto: "Well, now I'm here, I might as well go one more. Fill 'er up again. Same."
Here's the opening paragraph to the best-selling book of 2015, Grey by EL James
>I open my eyes and my dream fades in the early-morning light. What the hell was that about? I grasp at the fragments as they recede, but fail to catch any of them. Dismissing it, as I do most mornings, I climb out of bed and find some newly laundered sweats in my walk-in closet. Outside, a leaden sky promises rain, and I’m not in the mood to be rained on during my run today. I head upstairs to my gym, switch on the TV for the morning business news, and step onto the treadmill.
>>70969061
It's Bob Odenkirk, it's only one person.
I didn't say the movie is bad, how can I say that if I haven't watched it.
I said Malick is a "shit" (wrong word) writer because he's not a creative person if the character is his alter ego, a person who creates their own stories is a better writer because he's more creative. But Malick's stories can be better than the other person's stories, I'm talking about creative process and I'm judging the writer using this lens, not their stories.
>>70969217
>"B-b-but you can't compare booth tarkington to the 50 shades of grey books, that's not f-f-fair!'
Ok, here's the opening paragraph to Girl On The Train, the second-best selling book of 2015
>I am exhausted, my head thick with sleep. When I drink, I hardly sleep at all. I pass out cold for an hour or two, then I wake, sick with fear, sick with myself. If I have a day when I don’t drink, that night I fall into the heaviest of slumbers, a deep unconsciousness, and in the morning I cannot wake properly, I cannot shake sleep, it stays with me for hours, sometimes all day long.
Here's the best-selling book of 2015 that's not from booth tarkington, A Far Country by Winston Churchill.
>My name is Hugh Paret. I was a corporation lawyer, but by no means a typical one, the choice of my profession being merely incidental, and due, as will be seen, to the accident of environment. The book I am about to write might aptly be called The Autobiography of a Romanticist. In that sense, if in no other, I have been a typical American, regarding my country as the happy hunting-ground of enlightened self-interest, as a function of my desires. Whether or not I have completely got rid of this romantic virus I must leave to those the aim of whose existence is to eradicate it from our literature and our life. A somewhat Augean task!
Again the older writing destroys the newer.
>>70969345
You've gone from person saying that he hasn't seen KoC to lying that you aren't the same person to admitting you are the person that hadn't watched KoC and here you are talking about Oden, Kirk and Bob like they fucking matter at all.
>>70969389
Malick should totally edit the footage from ToL+TTW+KoC to one single epic and soul journey.
>>70964127
Any movie made with a budget of over $100k isn't art.
>>70962461
He meant that Bresson, Bergman, Dreyer, and Tarkovsky are all dead and that Malick is the last high-brow spiritual filmmaker left.
>>70970359
Get out of my thread there's never any decent discussion of actual art outside of warcraft and capeshit on this meme board stop ruining it reeeeeeeeeeeee
The dogs trying to get the ball in the pool is symbolic of everything going on in the movie. Beings prevented by the "Waters" from getting what they want.
The woman with the red, bottomless eyes that asks "Are you afraid?" in the Vegas party scenes is every pretty girl turned into a symbol of desire and salvation by spiritually frustrated, hopeless men.
>>70972742
The dog scene is great, one of my favorites from it.
>>70967091
The simple act of "portraying" an act of cognition is already making use of an alter ego. So every film maker ever is shit. Every writer is shit. etc
>>70972742
Rather reduce to object, flesh and nothing else, by spiritually empty part of society but what ever floats (HUEHEUHEUHEU) with you
>>70972866
Yes, a symbol and an object. Object because you want to stick your dick in it, symbol because you've been conditioned to believe sex with enough pretty young things will complete you
>>70962461
So is it watchable? Does it have some plot? Or it's some visual masturbation?
>>70972937
>believe sex with enough pretty young things will complete you
That's every woman, not just the strippers, in the film though.
I wonder if Rick leaves with Portman's character at the end or did he somehow decide she was 'distraction' too.
>>70972993
When Rick's dad is talking about damnation being your life "just splashing out there", I was reminded of a passage from Plotinus that describes the fully lived life as "holding tight to experience". That is, being awake to the present, and not experiencing your life as a dim procession of images.
Afterwards, we get a bunch of shots of women on billboards set to some really eerie music. This is the false glamour of materialism and Hollywood excess. These women are beautiful, but it is a dream beauty that can only exist in images. Notice the cut to the jellyfish in the aquarium: same thing here, all these prim, pretty girls are like jellyfish, luminescent in their medium, but take them out of the "water" and they deflate into nothing.
>>70973223
>That is, being awake to the present, and not experiencing your life as a dim procession of images.
I don't know if you are trying to be ironical but Knight of Cups helped me to realize and understand this fairly simple truth.
>This is the life you live.
>>70964566
omg lol did this really happen in taht movie? how cringey
>>70973273
There's a reason Rick talks with a Zen monk near the end of the film
>>70973603
It's a funny film. You can tell people without empathy when you read reviews of it.
'lol whats his issue he got money and women'
'white rich person lmao having problems sure'
>>70969084
>The lunar Whore becomes the virgin, the snake trampled at its feet.
interesting line because in the bible god says that the snake or the devils head will be crushed or stomped
>>70974182
in genesis 3:14-15
>Then the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, you are cursed more than all animals, domestic and wild. You will crawl on your belly, groveling in the dust as long as you live. And I will cause hostility between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring. He will strike your head, and you will strike his heel."
Notice how the final 'Freedom' chapter begins with a montage of mornings, likely mornings Rick had slept through or his hangover rattled brain didn't even care to notice.
But this time we finally come out of the lunar night into the day. The moon is an esoteric symbol of Becoming because for all its hypnotic beauty, its light is only ever a reflection of a greater principle, Being/the Sun.
Morning is also reflective of the solar nature because every party must end with the rising of the sun, but as the pleasure and intoxication evaporates into the aether so do the shadows of the dark night of the soul. The solar masculinity is an internalization of this principle: that there is a Ground to the phantasmagoria of desire that transcends it. It is the incoruptible purity on which the image is projected and, eventually, returns to.
>>70969084
So this is what I felt inside me when I watched Knight of Cups. That's the weird power within me and the change in me? Damn Terrence Malick you is a fucking magician.
>>70974363
What do you make of the ending? When he drives away at the end? Did he leave Portman and (his?) child behind? That's quite selfish if he did.
Do you have Letterboxd or similar where you write reviews?
youre never going to get anywhere if you dont discard the freudian ideas of self. the ego, superego, id has to be destroyed. freudian psychoanalysis is a trap
>>70974467
it wasnt his child, if he would have stayed with her he would have only caused her more heartbreak because she is already married, he left her because his fantasy with her was holding him back from true happiness. it wasnt selfish at all if he would have stayed it would have been
>>70974511
Well fuck
that makes so much fucking sense.
You dont have Letterboxd or IMDB where you write reviews?
>>70974476
How do you propose to aim for that?
>>70974540
im not the other guy sorry and i dont have a letterbox
>>70974593
Man I thought I *loved* this film but reading this stuff made me realize of how much I've missed of it.
and my love towards it was only at surface reading, pretty much.
I do love the change Malick's latest three films have made in me, legit only films to affect me in reality.
>>70974581
the freudian ideas of self and its prison requires the willing participation of its occupants
the gates of the technocratic prison will open automatically as soon as you are willing to walk out
>>70974374
Finding an almost transcendental strength in the depths of your suffering? Yes, solar masculinity is just another label for it, but the experience is universal
>>70974687
How can Malick
translate it to film
in a level that factually changed me and affects me
How, since I didn't even know these words or concepts or let alone understand it yet I felt it
Holy shit
>>70974540
No, I don't but I'm really fucking happy I was able to communicate even an iota of how this movie made me feel to someone else. You made my day m8
>>70974804
see >>70974638
I am dying to rewatch this film and I've seen this film at least 7 times now.
Thanks anon. I don't know where you come from or why you are here, but it was a delight and wonder.
You made me understand my feelings and appreciate my favorite film in a much deeper level than I ever thought was possible.
>>70966792
LACRIMOSA LACRIMOSA LACRIMOOOOOOOSAAAAAA
>>70969663
>Malick should totally edit the footage from ToL+TTW+KoC to one single epic and soul journey.
DO IT FAGGOT
>>70975578
>Malick goes to the storage to find 200 hours of filmed footage and edits together the Voyage of Soul 12 hour epic.
One can always hope.
>>70974775
That's why it's such a brilliant film.
>>70974870
You are very welcome m8
>>70975920
What are your opinions on rest of Malick's stuff or do you have preferred writers that you agree with when it comes to Malick?
This woman here, apparently representative of the knight's "dreams" during his "sleep", is an encapsulation of everything femininity as Object represents to men like Rick.
Recall the girl that asks "Are you afraid?" in the Vegas party, who we only catch a very soul-piercing glimpse of and her pinhole eyes. Zizek (sorry) mentions in his Perverts Guide to Cinema that ocular imagery, particularly the eyes of females, is utilized in certain strains of psychological horror because we fear there is nothing behind those eyes but the void. For men like Rick, their own emptiness is reflected back to them in the eyes of the Other, and the effect can be one of terror, especially if those eyes are owned by what can afford them the very beauty and intimacy they crave.
They fear there is nothing behind those eyes that they can latch onto. They fear that the Other that should fulfill them. an't be grasped or possessed, and so they want to conquer her flesh, her surface, if they can't have her depths.
Notice how the dream girl has eyes on the back of her head when she's turned away from the camera. Even in turning away, even in rejection, she's looking right through men like Rick.
The Tao is described as a "living void", void because as the source of all qualities it is devoid of quality itself, living because even this nothingness is absolute fullness.
The consciousness behind eyes is this ungraspable, living force. For men who have only void in themselves, they only see emptiness and lack in others. For those who "have plenitude in their own being" as Plotinus describes the key to happiness, they are not confronted by an object to be possessed. They do not recoil in fear of the Other. They see another living being. A whole as whole as their own inner selves.
>>70976320
I don't know how much of the first part you get right, but if it does hit close it's portrayed rather poorly (Rick's fear of void and his own projections)
>the key to happiness, they are not confronted by an object to be possessed
Is portrayed rather well now that I think of it.
What do you make of the earthquake at the beginning?
>>70962461
El deje xxxkino a mí jajajajajajaja!!!
El ¿Qué quería decir port eso? jajajajajajjaja
dannyboytbh please leave
The movie ends with the exhortation to "Begin." But as anyone whose tried to claw their way out of their own pit knows, you're going to fuck up. No single commitment to change will carry you the whole way up without a couple bumps and bruises, no matter how earnest.
So there is not one monumental, cheesy, time-to-buckle-down-and-do-this decision to "Begin", but there are many little begginings, for when the gravity of your former life will inevitably pull you part of the way back before you snap out of it. There as many beginnings as there are moments.
This ties into the theological/esoteric idea of the Creation of the universe not as a single, temporal event in the past that's over and done with, but an always happening, ever-present Now, eternally sustained by the Divine. Men like Rick must not live in the world of time - in Becoming - but in the present that never exhausts itself.
This not just metaphysical abstraction but a very pragmatic and deep attitude towards cultivating a truly healthy life. When Rick inevitably fucks up, he's going to narrativize, turn into a story, "I was good for awhile, but then I fucked up." But is this impulse to describe and explain that doomed him from the start.
His mental chatter used to be "I'm sad, I'm alone, I'm this, I'm that, I'm this, I'm that." In the solar strength there is only silence. There is no "I am this", but like God when Moses asked who he was, there is only "I AM."
>>70976716
Man I'm starting to think you are Malick.
>>70976716
well said
>>70976036
I didn't like ToL, To the Wonder was good but didn't digest it very well. New World and Thin Red Line are beautiful though.
I'd read a lot of esoteric philosophy, metaphysics, Evola, Plotinus, and just like get really fucking high lol
>>70976564
The void stuff I don't think was intended, it's what resonated with me after te-watching it a lot.
The earthquake, again though I don't think it was intended, reminds me of the Harrowing of Hell when Jesus descends into the pit to save select souls from Hell. I don't think it's supposed to be much more than just a shakeup to Rick's world. That things are about change.
One of the saddest moments in the film is when the robbers (paraphrasing) say to Rick that he doesn't even have anything to steal.
>>70976832
I didn't actually like the Thin Red Line, it isn't visually as energetic to me as Knight of Cups. Haven't seen the New World, sort of dodging it because of Farrell.
ive literally seen this movie like 5 times in less than a month.it feels like im watching it for the first time every time. its got like a 45 in rotten tomatoes, maybe itll be appreciated over time
>>70977047
>maybe humans would appreciate something beautiful, optimistic and sincere instead of jaded and cynical messages.
I just wanted to say the chick that plays the model and she does a lot of yoga and meditation she is ridiculously good-looking like just goes out of her way to be beautiful and she doesn't even have to like do anything or try
>>70971069
I tried to do a Tabu thread and 3 ppl answered, I won't ruin yours.
>>70977519
She's one of the few women in the film that is her own self and not part of the culture that permeates Rick's life. I think her spiritual background gives Rick a glimpse of something more than the life he's living
>>70978264
I like the line she says 'I don't want to ruin men's lives anymore' as if she's aware how much her physical beauty means to men and how she'd rather be alone and purse spirituality
Bump, because even if this thread won't convince people to like Malick's films, surely it offers more than enough proof that his films are hardly empty or pretentious
>>70978806
Also remember how they meet. Rick asks who she knows at Banderas' party to get in, and she pretty much implies she walked in all by herself
>>70978662
Yes, I think the fact that someone "got out", and not only that, that it's a pretty girl he'd mack on if they met in other circumstances that got out too, I think that really galls him
>>70967513
>Jacob Boehme
If that name seems familiar and you can't place it, an excerpt from his was included in the epigraph of Blood Meridian.
>"It is not to be thought that the life of darkness is sunk in misery and lost as if in sorrowing. There is no sorrowing. For sorrow is a thing that is swallowed up in death, and death and dying are the very life of the darkness"
>>70979314
Sounds some scared stuff you'd hear people regretting their shit lives say.
>tfw no qt gf who's into existentialism
jdimsa
>>70979787
you were right she's gorgeous
>>70979366
This is literally the filmic version of CuteGirlCore music that girls listen too but boys on /mu/ all look down upon, but can ironically get you laid way more than say, knowing about CapeKino.
>>70980296
no shit she's a celebrity...
>>70976779
>>70962461
He doesn't know what he's talking about?
>Will To the Wonder--or TO THE WONDER, as the film's end credits have it--finally dispel the aura of reverence that has settled over the cinema of Terrence Malick? The late creation of an artist can act as an alembic, concentrating and thereby heightening the qualities of his former work, Robert Bresson's L'Argent (1983) being only the most imposing example. And To the Wonder, like Andrei Tarkovsky's Nostalghia (1983) and The Sacrifice (1986) (both of which Malick has drawn from, particularly in 2011's Tree of Life), distills all that is intolerable in its maker's films. Ironically, To the Wonder is positioned as a departure, the first in Malick's oeuvre, aside from a few uneasy sequences in The Tree of Life, to be set in the present day. That apartness--Terry Does Contemporary--serves to reveal that Malick's stylistic traits, previously identified as auteurist signatures, appear too often tics and affectations. What Malick's disciples praise as his ambition and sincerity increasingly registers as feigned naivete, an untoward belief that his fervent romanticism can renew such exhausted tropes as a van Gogh field of sunflowers, a Milton tree of life, a Gauguin South Sea paradise. The unfortunate effect of To the Wonder is to cast a retrospective pall over the director's work, to underscore the tendency in his earlier films to banal symbolism, manufactured rapture, and middlebrow aestheticism.
>>70969217
>tfw you are a reversed Knight of Cups
damn...
>>70980449
10/10
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Probably my favorite scene in the whole film. The music (mah nigga Burial), the atmosphere, the lighting, the color, just all brilliant.
Here, she's telling Rick that he can be anything he wants. A saint, a devil, a god. "Your perception is your reality". In some sense, she is saying all limits are self-made, which is about as pithy as the typical drivel you'd see posted on a Facebook wall.
One can always object, "the limits of my body are not self-made. I cannot escape them."
But this person would never understand that his mental resistance to these perceived limits, THAT, is self-created. The mind is as free as it believes itself to be.
But there is a higher sense. That the modality of who Rick can conceive himself to be, happy or sad, represents the wealth and diversity of life and the universe. Every interior wholeness is a fractal reflection of the Neoplatonic unity. At all scales this perfection is attainable, trickles down. Every consciousness is an observer-participant in something infinitely beyond itself but also nearer to itself than its own physical heart, for as it is said, "the principle of sublimity and self-overcoming in the spirit is the spirit itself."
In the climax to Alan Moore's Promethea, Moore writes,
>Know that the scorched-black demons and the pristine, fluttering seraphs are in some sense naught but you yourself unpacked, unfolded in a higher space from whence the myriad gods unfurl, not bygone legends but your once and future selves, your attributes blossomed into their purest and most potent symbol-forms. And these, with all their beast-heats, crowns and lightings, all their different colors, are become combined into the single whiteness that is godhead. That is all.
I can't improve on Moore's words so I'll leave it at that.
>>70982007
Forgot pic
>>70982103
James held the door for me at Cinematheque Ontario. He's not a cunt. He's a nice guy.
There's a great line in the Banderas party scene. He says, "there are no principles, only circumstances."
An echo of Deluezian pluralism, where everything is haecceity, uniquely itself, and there are no universal rules to follow. There is no judge.
To apply a strict moral code to a universe of only circumstance, where what's right differs with the situation, would require a superhuman adaptability and mental processing. Most would rather sit it out, fly over the "swamp" that is life than get tangled in its complexities.
"Nobody's home," Banderas' character says. He means there is no God. But this line refers to himself and the other partygoers just as well. N No one's Here, nobody's Home, alive to the present anymore.
What does Imogen Poots' character say when Bale asks what her dress is made of? "How should I know?"
>>70962461
A true Kinofilm
>>70967000
Ranch me mulatto
This movie seriously blew dick. It was just people stumbling around and mumbling for two hours.
>>70982246
there are no principles? your principles are what decide your path, circumstance happens around you but its not like there is an illision of choice, you set the stakes, the next move is yours
but i do like the line he says when talking about girls something like "one day you have strawberries, but you get tried of that and try... oranges" or something it makes you realize the level of contempt everyone has for eachother at those parties like a spiritual vacuum
>>70982599
Yes, like Nietszche, you must become a value creator. In other words, your ultimate principle is yourself. There is no objective moral code hanging over our heads. We must make it for ourselves.
>>70982674
There is a path before each person that seems right, but it ends in death. Nietszche wants you to be right in your own eyes
>>70982756
>high-brow discussion on /tv/
a-am i dreaming
is Badlands Malick's least liked film?
>>70983097
maybe you know more tarot than i do but
i had my cards read at a friends birthday party a few years ago, and i remember receiving the death card, only to be told that i would inherent large wealth
just wanted to know if that was correct or not, or if there is a delayed reaction to the voodoo magic, like the monkeys paw in the poe story
>>70982756
>>70982674
Nietzsche a shit. Read Chesterton, nigga.
An autobiographical meditation on vice vs. virtue, carnal pleasures vs spiritual love, money vs poetry, from a deeply Christian philosophy erudite from Texas, who has struggled with finding his place in the Jewified degenerate capital and is still crying everyday about his suicidial mariachi brother and harsh father. Experimental editing to evoke fragments of memories, intimate thoughts as prayers or confessions to evoke universal feelings, interweaving the micro and the macro. Just like tree of life opened with a story about nature vs grace, the pearl parable is about this constant struggle and quest to be a better man in this meaningless world; the pearl is the spark (thin red line), the grace (tol), the wonder (to the wonder)
Terry admits in this flick that he's too fascinated with beauty, as he views it as the closest thing we wingless beasts have to reaching heaven; even though beauty is really the devil's temptation to make us shallow. He's a sinner and a hypocrite and he knows it. Bums and cripples are ugly and he knows they don't really belong alongside his perfume ads aestheticsand Hollywood actors. He knows Hollywood is Jewish hell but he still stays there and accepts their money because he loves shooting pretty Jewish actresses and their feetsies. He knows its a real struggle. It's an admission of guilt
>tfw you want to follow the way of Grace but Nature keeps pulling you back down
>tfw you want to be brought back to the Wonder but the Wonder is forever fleeting
>tfw the only way to be happy is to love, but love brings more pain than happiness
>tfw you'll never find the pearl
>tfw you wanna be like the monk but are closer to the pimp
>tfw you're a dog chasing a tennis ball in a swimming pool
>tfw Hershlag will never tell you to open your mouth
Begin
>>70983930
oh gosh this again
>>70983930
but I think there's a difference between the beauty you want to save you and the beauty you experience purely as itself
Linda: Nobody's perfect. There was never a perfect person around. You just have half-angel and half-devil in you.
(days of heaven)
John Smith: I thought it was dream... what we knew in the forest. It's the only truth.
(the new world)
As a young and successful filmmaker in LA, it's easy to imagine that Terry would have known at least dozens of girls from various walks of life, which may have included strippers and whores. I really appreciated how raw, lustful and sexual it was, for me it's what makes the film interesting in his oeuvre, especially after TTW. It was very honest of Terry to reveal the half devil inside of him. It clashes with the poetic purity his films have and his obsession with spiritual love and idealized nurturing child-women. That kind of love may be "the truth" in the moment you feel it but it's also only a dream. Real relationships are ugly and messy and fleeting.
I haven't seen a single analysis of the film point out there's both a pimp and a monk on Rick's journey, I think it's crucial and also shows Terry doesn't take himself that seriously.
Of course, a serious disciple of Terry must remember the autobiographical panties stealing scene in ToL as well.
>>70984973
Malick has always been interested in dualities and contradictions in the human experience, more so in his recent autobiographical trilogy
Badlands - how Holly sees Kit vs. what he really is
Days of Heaven - the love triangle based around a lie
The Thin Red Line - finding the human spark in the midst of carnage
The New World - another doomed love triangle split between two different worlds
Tree of Life - way of nature vs. way of grace, Jack's contemplation of his (and all of creation's) past shaping his future visions, "Mother, father, always you wrestle inside me"
To the Wonder - romantic love vs. divine love, yet another love triangle, a religious man who has lost his faith,
Knight of Cups - submergence (water, beach, pool shots) vs. ascendance (shots of planes, helicopters, palm trees, Rick always looking upwards), materialism vs. spiritualism, the allure of coveting vs. the apathy the comes with possessing, the Tarot suggesting predestined fate as a wandering Knight of Cups vs. Rick choosing his own highway at the end and beginning a new life, along with what you just said
>>70986224
Love the submergence vs. ascendence bit
>>70987296
Damn, I never caught that. I loved the film, but I wonder how much I missed
>>70967653
>I don't get it. I can't find a single explanation for this stuff that isn't mystical. You can't define mystical ideas in a mystical manner. In order for a hammock to leisurely it has to be made in a non-leisurely manner- if you don't make the hammock seriously you won't be able to relax because it'll collapse as soon as lie on it and you'll hurt yourself.
>Likewise don't be mystical when you're explaining what mysticism is to people new to it.
You completely misunderstand mysticism then. The esoteric is hidden, by its very definition... it can't be made explicit or understandable with a simple explanation.
This is why you will never get this stuff.
