What is it that makes a good horror movie /tv/?
Not allowed:
>Found footage style
>Jump scares
Atmosphere
>>70881901
Scary bananas.
Dread
>>70881901
Something that catches you off guard and that you wouldn't expect. Something that sticks with you.
This is a totally generic 80's slasher film but the ending is so bizarre and disturbing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6z6QIiXTnY&ab_channel=NoTOrubbish
Also this. I don't know what it is about this scene but it is disturbing as fuck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZowK0NAvig&ab_channel=SeanWilson
Big titty monsters in itty bitty clothing
>>70882205
This is true.
>>70881901
Plausibility.
Has to appear that it can happen to you.
>>70881967
this
>>70882655
I actually find the unreal pretty creepy.
Microbudget for a teenager audience who meme the movie to their friends and sequels get made
Whether your schlock is good or not is pretty much a coinflip, it depends on what the teenager retards are into at that exact month
Unsettling things. For me that involves strange movements, certain sounds, creepy details explained or shown. I haven't been legitimately scared watching horror since I was a kid, but I enjoy watching them
Can you guys list some that fit these descriptors?
>>70882655
>wanting plausibility in a horror movie
Nigger what are you thinking
Is horror the most
>white middle/upper class suburbia core
of any genre? like just bored kids with no peril trying to create fear in themselves
>>70881901
I think Red Letter Media got it right when they said "being memorable"
>>70883071
Cancer.
Gradually ramping up the tension. I hate movies that try to have some huge scary moment halfway through then the rest just peters out.
>>70883098
I don't care for them either but you gotta admit they're right on that count
A great horror movie takes you places you don't want to go.
>>70882797
Audition.
Things with really creepy gaping black mouths
>>70881967
>>70881986
These are things the Blair Witch has. Too bad OP is a fucking meme
>>70881901
Found footage can be fine, it's just used by hacks to save on budget. Also, it's a shortcut to story.
Similarly, there's nothing wrong with the jump scare -- Val Lewton used it -- only that reliance on it suggests that you can't come up with anything else scary.
A real sense of danger comes from isolation and the inability to access help. Once that was just proximity to the police, but now that we all have cell phones, you have to cut off communication, either physically, technologically, or by making the subject appear to be unreliable and insane.
Audience investiture is key. You have to like these characters in some fashion so you can fear for them.
>>70881967
came to post this.
>>70883161
The same can be said for anything enjoyable, of course you will remember it better. That quote is retarded and you are for thinking it was valuable enough to tbe discussion to post it.
>>70881967
fpbp
>>70882205
M A M A R I O
>>70883071
>>70883161
pls be bait
>>70883298
Well, let me expand a little
Horror movies have little in terms of quality control or really any sort of standard; the only thing that really defines what's good and bad is the end product being memorable, as opposed to most other genres in which the memorability factor plays as a supplement to a competent core movie.
Evil Dead by all accounts is a shit movie, but it's a classic because of how distinct and memorable it is. That goes for any other horror classic, and desu it's the standard they should all be judged by for the most part (unless it's a bit more self-reflexive like Cabin In The Woods)
>>70883202
Like your moms vagina?
>>70881901
>What is it that makes a good horror movie /tv/?
A guy on a motorcycle saving the damsel in distress inside a movie theater killing demons with a katana
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqfZH0Q5OqA
>jump scares
There is literally nothing wrong with these. Fuck off with trying to paint them as inherently bad.
Every critically-acclaimed horror film uses them at least once. Movies that resort to them without building a good sense of dread or suspense beforehand are examples of them being done poorly.
>>70883376
evil dead is a classic because it's enjoyable, campy as fuck, gorey and yes memorable.
blair witch project is a piece of shit through and through with no redeeming qualities but is memorable because it was the first big found footage shitfest
being memorable is a awful test of a good movie, horror or otherwise
>>70883438
Yeah, abrupt bursts are good for scaring an audience, it's exactly as you mentioned in that the tension has to be there and the jump scare has to not be overdone, two rules which have been repeatedly violated by every horror film in the past 10 years
>>70883462
Ok, maybe you're right
I was just throwing it out there, does look kinda stupid in retrospect
Well, if I had to say something definitive I'd say tension or suspense would be the big one for horror
>>70881901
>Jump scares are ghey meme
This has to be the most embarrassingly typical criticism. All horror is shit, with or without jumpscares. You're not a highly refined viewer for hating jumpscares. They have a place just like all other bullshit in this genre.
>>70883438
There's nothing wrong with jump scares, but those by themselves aren't really scary
You're surprised, taken off guard, a loud noise and something jumping out of nowhere triggers a response that we still have from when we were still living in caves and trees, but it's not scary
You can pretend to punch someone and almost punch them in the face and say that they got scared because they flinched, but that's not them actually being scared, they are just reacting instinctively
Also, like >>70883470 said, it's about quality not quantity
>>70883376
Don't give me your pseudo-intellect nonsense. Everything you said can be fitted into action or art films.
>>70883376
wtf is self reflexive
>>70883495
>tension or suspense
much better answers. I'd also add character development in the sense to try to make the audience give a shit about the characters. Most of the time they are little more than test dummies and we just want to see how they die. I don't think you can have good tension or suspense if you don't care for or want the characters to survive
Atmosphere of Oppression, specifically.
Being able to inherently imply a loss of power, via the environment, sound, or other factors.
Additionally, the inability to escape the situation.
Claustrophobia, as a result of the latter.
Jump Scares are fantastic, if used appropriately, which is at the end of a very long and drawn out building of suspense or dread.
Most of all, making the audience look at or experience something, that makes them feel uncomfortable, for just a little too long.
Gore tends to overdo this, and lose the effect, but a good horror film knows how to force the audience to experience it, using sound more than visuals (you can't completely turn off those ears, after all.)
Most importantly, YOUR MONSTER MUST NOT BE RELATE-ABLE.
The more we understand something, the less we fear it. There's a fucking reason that Michael Myers is refered to as "The Shape" in the original Halloween.
>>70883587
look it up
>>70883438
Great jump scares are hard to pull off, but when they are done correctly they are amazing.
I dont like the out of the blue jumpscares.
Its hard to explain, but you have had to built a pretty decent atmosphere through the movie.
Like its been a nominal level of creepy or weird the entire time. But suddenly a scene pops up and things immediately feel different and you get that feeling that there is something really wrong happening.
There is a short and sweet buildup, and you almost know in your mind that jumpscare is coming but it still takes you off guard when it happens.
Its pretty hard to grip an audience like that though.
>>70883653
>The more we understand something, the less we fear it. There's a fucking reason that Michael Myers is refered to as "The Shape" in the original Halloween.
i think thats not quite right. i fear irrational crazy people and i understand that theyre irrational crazy people
>>70883724
I never finished the Amnesia game. As soon as the monster thing attacked and killed me I no longer was scared of it.
>>70883724
But you fear them less, because you understand them.
>>70883798
thats not true i fear them heaps because i understand them
theyre fucking feral and likely to harm you for no reason
that is what i find scary
>>70883798
I think he's alluding to a different fear than fear of the unknown, fear of helplessness. eg a complete psycho is after, unrelenting, you understand them and know he won't stop, whereas if just some person you didn't understand was after you you wouldn't know the extent of the risk in that case.
>>70883971
See the above post regarding atmosphere of oppression and claustrophobia.
But I do see what you/he are/is refering to.
>>70884017
after you be the victim of a random violent attack you realise that violent feral irrational people are scary
you can bolster up and lift weights and do your best but the truth is the random guy on the street might just snap and force you to defend yourself for no reason
once its happend your brain accepts it can happen again and you become conscious of it
>>70883621
>Tension and suspense
Sounds like you don't want horror. Moodiness is not fear inducing, I just think you want to sound smart and refined.
The only thing that matters in horror is horrific imagery that is believable on a uncanny Valley level. Think the little girls from the shining, think that four legged creature that backs into the woods, the face of the baba babadook, this scene from mama, the scene from the Omen where the girl hangs herself.
https://youtu.be/FNTPPGnM6Fo
Tension naturally builds itself around the events, that's what makes things creepy. If you were ever afraid of a picture on the internet, it's not because someone was building tension around you, in fact it's quite the opposite. Everything was normal, you build tension automatically as a fear response to the horrific imagery, the distorted face, the killer's movement which didn't seem real, like when the guy gets pulled into the closet in Texas Chainsaw Massacre. A perfectly normal day, humans interacting not out of fear, but with pride and self respect, "Hello, sir, is anybody home?" as he is the confident, consimate male impressing the female who is with him, only to, in an instant, be chopped up off screen.
Moody vignetting, blue tinted filters, actors who clearly know they're in a horror movie, "dark and spooky" settings are not scary. They are safe, because there is no way for that fear to transfer over into real life, which is the ultimate goal of horror.
>>70884017
>atmosphere of oppression and claustrophobia
yeah all valid points especially for a monster horror movie and generally in those types of movie the less you know about the monster the scarier it is. I agree.
I never finished the Amnesia game because it was boring as shit
>>70881901
Characters I can identify with or at least like. The ability and restraint necessary to create real dread. Actors who can portray fear believably. The list can go on...
Partying teenager douchebag protagonists.
Not enough of them, IMO.
>>70881901
a "good" horror movie need to have shit actors doing shit lines with a shit accent and no laughs at all.
>>70884464
ohai mark
>>70884522
hey...you
>>70884629
so hows your sex life?
>>70881901
Characters that make good decisions, but still end up in deep shit.
>>70884736
YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
>>70882205
I am going to need to know what movie this is from.
I like it when movies put the characters in a situation that would otherwise be normal to them but over time they figure out that something is very, very wrong.
Bonus points to any movie that can do this without a body turning up. Any movies that do this?
>>70882655
This makes it a thriller, not a horror
By definition horror is part of the fantasy-scifi genre, removing the unnatural makes iþ a thriller
Goblin soundtrack
>>70885749
You mean necrogoblin?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KsMKOx6fumc
>>70883376
The Evil Dead is a perfect movie. You don't know what the fuck you're even saying.
First: You have to care about the characters. If they suffering but you don't care then the movie has failed.
Second: It's almost imposible to make a truly scary monster because there has been a ton of horror movies. It's very difficult to really scare everyone. But you can tell a good creepy story or try something new.
>>70884068
>1465852412820.jpg
DELETE THIS
>>70884068
well put
>>70881967
>>70883142
these 2bh
>>70885688
>By definition
>>70886312
>>70884068
That image highlights something I wish I saw more off, I experienced it with sleep paralysis. I'm not sure what to call it so I'll call it "awkward horror".
Imagine if you just walked into a room and saw that thing standing there looking at you, you don't want to look at it, but you're too afraid to turn your back on it. There would be this agonizing stalemate that could be enhanced with music.
Anyone else now what Im talking about?
>>70881901
1. Likeable and interesting protagonists
So no college kids or the nuclear family, these were done to death and beyond already
2. Tension, tension, tension
Without this, there is no threat
3. Release
This is the fault of movies which try to build dread with tension alone. The audience will get used to it. Note: Not fake scares followed by real scares. Everybody knows those and they are stupid as fuck.
4. Monster and gore design
Self-explanatory
>>70886726
>>70886726
That image has appeared in my dreams after I saw it.
First I saw it on /x/ on and laughed my ass off on how absurt it was. Then I went to bed and oh boy did things change.
I wish to see more unsettling pictures like that but nothing does it for me these days. For some reason that picture did.
.
>>70882655
horror is all about the fucking unnatural you dip
>>70881901
atmosphere, coherent backstory, teen sex.
>>70881901
dolls
>>70887473
spooky
>>70887473
Doesn't she know how to put on makeup.
>>70888129
>>70888181
newfags
>>70882205
which movie?
>>70881901
Needs to have a feeling of uneasiness about it
>>70881901
Soundtrack and the unexpected
>>70888423
Not him, but Texas Chainsaw 3D. It's an okay movie. Not that good, but at least they tried to do something a little different with the characters this time. The ending is weird though.
>>70881901
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcW_hSnhDL4
>Jump scares
>>70882205
Those are so good.
>>70888472
thnx
There's different types of horror, so let's not go all autistic about definitions and dictionaries and shit ITT, okay?
I think one of the most important thing is consistency. keeping the same tone for the whole movie. Some movies try to switch tone at mid-point (and more rarely in the last act), but I find that it doesn't really work that well. These movies are more of a curiousity than anything else.
post upcoming horrorkino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSsnep_GxcM
>>70888828
31
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/31_(film)
Rob's baaack!
>>70888893
>During Halloween 1976 a group of carnival workers are traveling through the country in an RV, on their way to their next venue. Along the way they're stopped and attacked, with only a handful of them left alive - Charly (Sheri Moon Zombie), Venus (Meg Foster), Panda (Lawrence Hilton-Jacobs), Levon (Kevin Jackson), and Roscoe (Jeff Daniel Phillips). They're taken to a strange, large building, where three strange people wearing aristocratic wigs and powder force them to play "31". For the next 12 hours they must wander through a maze-like set of rooms where they must survive attempts by several people intent on torturing and murdering them. If they survive the full 12 hours they will be set free, although their captors freely express their disbelief that the captives will survive that long.
>>70888828
>>70888893
>>70888922
I'm just sick of ghost/possession shit so I'll watch anything that isn't that. fuck Blumhouse.
wish there was more horror like Phantasm & Evil Dead coming out, something fun and really weird with cool effects and shit.
>>70883376
wrong, try Possession 1981
>>70888984
http://www.fantasiafestival.com/2015/en/films-schedule/films/genre:horror
>>70881967
first post best post
>>70889087
Now that I'm looking at it a little more closely, I never realized there was a Fatal Frame movie.
>Gekijōban Zero (劇場版 零〜ゼロ〜?, lit. Fatal Frame / Project Zero The Movie) is a 2014 Japanese lesbian romance horror film
I'm intrigued. Too bad jap movies are usually more miss than hit.
>>70889180
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28x_kQHt7wA
It looks average. I don't have high hopes for it. probably a one time watch, nothing more.
>>70883142
you should watch the innkeepers
>>70889257
>japanese trailer
>j-pop starts playing
is this the asian BWWWWWWWWWWUUUUUUUUUU?
>>70888984
Emelie looks promising (with Sarah Bolger as the main actress). It's out, I think, but I still haven't seen it. Psycho-babysitter movie. Could be interesting.
>>70889327
It's the asian rap/hip-hop.
>>70881901
Just watched a new horror film I hadn't seen previously mentioned on here.
>The Blackcoats Daughter
Pros: Cute lead acctresses, deeply unsettling atmosphere, there are several scenes that simply feel "wrong". No jumpscares.
Cons: Plebs will pass it over because it actually takes time to build up.
Would recommend, 8/10.
>>70889431
very good movie especially considering it's the directors first movie
>>70889431
sounds like a ye olde times movie
>>70889431
i'll watch it when there's a 1080p rip
Watched this last night, had a really good use of tension and dread.
Directed by the guy who wrote The Chaser and The Yellow Sea.
http://asianwiki.com/Office_(Korean_Movie)
>>70888444
is that a vampire prostitute? w2c?
It depends on what you're trying to accomplish, since there are different kinds of horror films that do very different things that are good for their own reasons.
You have slow burn horror films that are more psychological in nature, that achieve their goal by knowing what NOT to show, building a tense atmosphere, developing it's character, and introducing the audience to a horror and giving them time for them to really think about it so that it sinks in. The kind of shit that sticks with you when you walk out of the theater.
Then there's the fun fast paced horror movies, the kind you'd show at a Halloween party with your friends. These focus on having good effects and gore, lots of shock value, relish in camp, play on your expectations to have fun with horror cliches, and are more about entertaining/scaring the audience in the now than creating something that will dwell on the audience long after viewing.
Both can be done really well, and I love both kinds of horror desu.
More often than not though, with some exceptions, the BEST films in the genre are the ones that find a way to balance both. It's overused, but The Thing (or most John Carpenter horror films for that matter) is an excellent example.
>>70890054
Angela in REC was an absolute QT.
>>70890095
Yeah.I fapped to the scene where she straddles the priest at the end of [REC] 2
>>70881901
I'd say that, no matter what approach to horror you choose, it all comes down to this:
Suspense. Shock. Grotesque/weird. Subversion. Style. Some brains.
>>70884068
It's not that simple. What you are describing is a form of grotesque/weird imagery, which is fine and beneficial to a horror movie and can be fear inducing if done well, but that is not the only approach by a long shot.
The Thing, for example, works so well precisely because it is super tense and suspenseful. The suspense at one point is interrupted by shock and gory/grotesque imagery.
Noroi or Blare Witch are super scary because they are constantly building the atmosphere of dread, not because of any specific scene.
Cannibal Holocaust is horryfing because of how real and life like everything is.
Etc.
>>70881967
yep
>>70883376
something that a horror movie must have is.... being spooky!
i'm right! because good horror movies are spooky
>Jumpscares are cheap, is n-not like i get scared with that heh
>>70891344
>scary maze game is good horror because i got scared
>>70890651
>The Thing, for example, works so well precisely because it is super tense and suspenseful. The suspense at one point is interrupted by shock and gory/grotesque imagery.
do you know more similar movies to the thing or something that follows similar approach as you described?
People who automatically dismiss jump scares - what about the ones present in Alien, Jaws, Friday the 13th, Evil Dead etc
Are you saying they're shit horror because there are jump scares?
Does anyone know some scary scenes from non-horror movies? For example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UozhOo0Dt4o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZowK0NAvig
I think location is a very important aspect. Everyone loved The Descent even though the characters were standard horror movie retards and the creatures looked terrible because of how claustrophobic the caves were.
>>70895067
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIy-X8-pEoU
>>70894065
They're not entirely composed of jumpscares.
