Hey guys. I just finished watching Watchmen for the first time and thought it sucked. What are your thoughts anons?
>>70774214
it's great, pleb
>>70774214
Loved the Extended version. It's
a really nice movie to look at
>>70774214
Same as you
>>70774214
pleb filter
Go watch Avengers
>>70774226
It's low IQ pleb pandering trash for imdb buffs
>>70774214
my thoughts on watchmen (caution contains spoilers):KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO
>>70774214
Silk Spectre was horrendous but the costume was a nice redesign.
Would watch a Phantom Lady movie with a similar suit.
>>70774281
This. It's garbage. The director is a hack who thinks he is hot shit similar to that pedo who directed xmen
It could have been a lot worse but it's still not good. It's obvious Zack Snyder and David Hayter didn't "get" it.
>>70774313
I thought all the costumes were top tier
>>70774281
That's what I thought. I felt it was catering to the masses because there were so many social issues that everyone can stick their nose in and have a hot debate about it and think they're hot shit with a sprinkle of political issues here and there to make it seem like a pretentious film
>>70774385
>>70774402
In addition to that
>muh quantum mechanics
>>70774385
>Ozy being intentionally tacky with the sculpted nipples
Calls back to ancient sculptures and glam Batman suit fashion at the same time. You're right, the suits were really nice.
It's my favorite superhero movie, but I find a lot of flaws in it
I don't want to use the source material meme, but it really is my main problem with the movie. Watchmen is supposed to be a critique and satire of the superheroes. The movie has part of it, but it also tries to be another capeshit action movie (Znyder intention to attract a bigger audience)
Still one of my favorite movies of all time though.
>>70774457
And Nite Owl's could be seen as a riff on the overly complex Nolan suit.
I realized the reason I love Watchmen so much is that literally every scene advances the plot. No filler, it's full of substance and there's never a dull moment. I'm hooked until the very end and left wanting more.
>>70774214
>Rorschach's Journal
>OP's a fucking pleb.
>This new age under minor fuck takes awhile to understand that this movie sucks,
>Predicting at first OP loves the costume caped heroes and the foolish concept of vigilante justice.
>As the faggot ages on, he develops a moral compass and understands the greater values and actual problems caused by society.
>He takes great time to create a thread and ask our opinions to line himself with everyone else.
>He's trying to be "normal" but sadly...
>We're all different and hiding our flaws in our own mask.
>This is the second Monday of June and the last time I'll contribute in these socialist threads.
>>70774214
Legitimately the best capeshit film ever made.
its a comedy so its hit or miss.
movie is technically sound
>>70774214
>Extended version.
Watching the first Nite Owl guy beat up those punks and then his fucking head smashed in with his own trophy was SO cash.
Comedian was metal as fuck.
Shoots Gook in the belly.
MEDIC
>>70774414
>captain america in a DC movie
how is this shit allowed?
That sex scene can fuck right off.
Leonard Cohen should've sued.
>>70776456
>30 minute sex scene
>Never see anything besides blue shapes wriggling around to Hallelujah
>>70776456
it was just as tacky as the retarded source material required: 6/10 movie, 3/10 comic
also, dr manhattan origin scene more than compensates for the shitty parts.
>>70776606
>3/10 comic
Your bait is 0/10
>>70774214
Its shit.
>>70774339
but Dave Gibbons himself said in an interview that Zach Snyder did indeed get it.
So when Silk Spectre and Night Owl are having sex does the actors have sex too? Is she wearing panties they cg out or does she get fully naked and grind around on top of him?
I have a hard time believing he wasn't getting hard while Spectre was brushing her moist puss against the base of his cock. I keep imagining his dick flicking up against her asshole and they both know but keep pretending they're in character and then she lowers a little bit and starts really grinding on him. Sex scenes greatly intrigue me.
>>70776422
because capn murica is so original
>>70774552
its a deconstruction of pre-2010 superhero movies
>>70774214
Easily one of the best superhero films to date.
The alien ending was always the weakest part of the comic for me and leaving Rorschach's death unnoticed really irked me as well so I'm glad Snyder altered those two points.
What I didn't like was how everyone suddenly had super strength, but hey, the choreography was fucking GOAT.
Saw it when I was around 17/18 when it first came out in theaters and loved the shit out of it. Now it's more of a guilty pleasure. I'll watch it every so often for Rorschach's scenes, but aside from that, it doesn't really hold up well. The pacing is fucked, the casting is kind of bad aside from Rorschach, the Comedian and MAYBE Nite Owl, it's too melodramatic to take seriously, and the soundtrack is overused and makes me want to chew on glass.
But it's fascinating to watch all the same if you've read the comic because it's a perfect example of how different both mediums are and how there are some things that can only work in literature/comics that wouldn't translate well to film. Pretty good example of a bad adaptation to be quite honest, my family.
>>70774552
It was released too soon. It doesn't make sense why they would release the big capeshit deconstruction at a point in time when capeshit was only just beginning to take off. It was big post-TDK but it was nowhere as huge as it is now.
Watchmen could have flourished and performed really well in today's market, and it's sad how when Deadpool came out all these meme reviewers were raving about how bold and unique it was for being an adult, R-rated superhero movie, like it was the first of its kind. Snyder's Watchmen is just an unremarkable, kind of embarrassing footnote now.
>>70779250
>the casting is kind of bad
Aplogize.
>>70779491
>Defending Ozymandias and Silk Spectre's shit casting
Well OP, I think Snyder is a Kino God but I kind of agree with you... Watchmen is boring for the most part.
It has bright spots - Doc Manhattans every scene, and Rorshach, but a straight retelling of the graphic novel was a blunder.
> tfw they instead get a pro script focusing on a new story within the Watchmen universe
> tfw they do that three times, over different movies with self contained, attention grabbing stories either with or without a degree of overlap with Ozymandias's nuanced villainy.
Watchmen has alot to love, but unfortunately it will always just be a bunch of things happening. That is an unpardonable error. Every time I try and watch it, my attention wanders, for good reason.
>>70774214
comic was better in every way
>>70774214
Complete shit, completely rapes the source material which is GOAT.
>>70779250
>it's a perfect example of how different both mediums
This. The source material was a fucking bear trap for film makers. They should have cooked up some new stories with the characters. They could have made three genre defining films. Instead they made one boring one.
>>70781158
>Complete shit, completely rapes the source material which is GOAT.
pleb detected. It is a fucking facsimile of the source material. Are you this fucking dense???
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A borderline brain-dead hackfraud like Zack Snyder shouldn't get anywhere near the work of geniuses like Alan Moore.
>>70781232
It removes one of the central plot points of the fucking comic.
>>70781287
>It removes one of the central plot points of the fucking comic.
it alters it, you fucking child. I mean holy shit, I wanted the squid, but you really want to go and wipe that fucking snot off your nose. Are you actually allowed to be using the Internet at home?....
>>70781232
You can attempt to copy something as closely as possible whilst failing to understand the underlying thematics or the driving forces behind it's creation.
>>70781257
>have read Watchmen a half-dozen times
>never picked up on this
Holy shit, neat.
>>70781328
No, it completely removes it and completely fucks up the plot, symbolism and themes of the entire thing.
Hell, killing the Comedian is fucking pointless if there is no fucking island to discover.
>>70781396
>You can attempt to copy something as closely as possible whilst failing to understand the underlying thematics or the driving forces behind it's creation.
Someone made a shot-for-shot remake of Psycho and it turned out to be terrible. And then that's not as retarded as using a unconventional comic as a storyboard for your movie, especially when you are using just parts of it.
>>70781396
>You can attempt to copy something as closely as possible whilst failing to understand the underlying thematics or the driving forces behind it's creation.
and you can make bullshit assertions while knowing you are incapable of illustrating or validating what the fuck you mean.
Either man up and argue your point or go and take out the trash for mom, it's Monday.
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>>70781590
oh lol your trolling
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>>70781437
>Hell, killing the Comedian is fucking pointless if there is no fucking island to discover.
But The Comedian found out about Ozymandias's plot, and that is in the film?...
You're missing the point. It's a poor film PRECISELY because they copied too much of the source story. And yet you are insisting it didn't do this enough? There is a colossal hole in what you are saying here.
>>70781590
>failing to understand the underlying thematics or the driving forces behind it's creation.
proof.jpg ?
Nigger I met Alan Moore in the eighties and interviewed him about Watchmen and Aarhgh and Brought to Light. Just pack up and go home.
>>70781232
Yet it's still a bloated mess of a movie that drags on for way too long, throws too much shit in your face in the vain hope that something will stick, and has these really bizarrely directed scenes where Snyder is trying too hard to force emotion.
It doesn't matter how accurate it is. If anything, its accuracy to the source material and outright refusal to stray too far from it is one of the factors that doomed it. There are just some things that work in a book or comic that don't carry over well to a movie, this is just a common fucking fact of filmmaking.
>>70774214
The movie sucked so much that Doc Manhattan in anger went off to destroy the DC universe.
I am not joking.
Hack Synder is a fucking idiot.
>>70781757
>I met Alan Moore in the eighties and interviewed him about Watchmen and Aarhgh and Brought to Light.
You're probably lying but I'd rather hear that story over anything the autismos in this thread have to say.
>>70781793
>Yet it's still a bloated mess of a movie that drags on for way too long, throws too much shit in your face in the vain hope that something will stick, and has these really bizarrely directed scenes where Snyder is trying too hard to force emotion.
>It doesn't matter how accurate it is. If anything, its accuracy to the source material and outright refusal to stray too far from it is one of the factors that doomed it. There are just some things that work in a book or comic that don't carry over well to a movie, this is just a common fucking fact of filmmaking.
This is the point I made a few posts up. So we are agreed. This is good.
The fact that people came out of the theater thinking Rorschach was the "hero" just goes to show how poorly Snyder adapted Watchmen
>>70781688
>>70781793
>it copies too much from the story
>some things work in comics that don't work in movies
What do you guys mean by this? Seriously.
Post examples. What exactly does Watchmen have in the comic that wouldn't work well in a movie adaptation?
>>70781232
You must be an idiot. Hack Synder didn't realize it was a critique of the superhero genre which then becomes a critique of reality. But then again, he only likes "lowbrow" things, by his own admission.
Any praise the Watchmen movie deserves belongs to Alan Moore.
Sucker Punch, Man of Steel and BvS show bad Zach Snyder is when he doesnt have a good writer to work with.
>>70781826
>You're probably lying but I'd rather hear that story over anything the autismos in this thread have to say.
No problem, friendo...
I was 18 and studying journalism at community college in UK not far from London.
Alan Moore was doing a signing for The Killing Joke. Myself and a friend went along to see if we could get him to agree to an interview.
The Queue was around the block and we had zero chance of meeting him. We also got there kinda late and someone told us he was finishing up because he wanted to get home.
I'd lived in the Midlands, and taken the train to Northampton like fifty times, so we tore ass to Euston station, got platform tickets, and waited in the ticket hall to ambush him.
About an hour later the unmistakable Alan Moore is walking towards us. We approached him, asked him if he'd let us interview him on the train up. He demurred but gave us a number and said we could do it over the phone, so we did a few weeks later.
Yes, it was epic. Yes, he's a God among men. I have to pop out for an hour but I'll come back and post more if this thread hasn't tanked...
>>70781881
The tons of flashbacks for starters. It works in the comics because, well, it's a fucking 12 issue series where they can afford to spread them throughout the narrative. The transitions are smoother and they can take their time with them, using them to establish the characters, their pasts and motivations.
The movie just goes crazy with tossing them everywhere, and because we're talking about a movie here that only has a limited amount of time to work with, they end up chopped up and shortened to the point where they're ultimately pointless and only just barely convey the point.
Also off the top of my head, and I know I'm going to get shit for this, but Rorschach's narrations honestly could have been cut. Yes, they give us an insight into his mind, but they drag on for way too long and honestly come across as a bit cringy (the graveyard scene really stands out). I don't know if it's just bad direction or what. Maybe they would work better if Watchmen had been adapted as a show and his narrations opened and closed each episode, who knows.
The animated version of TDKR cut out all of Batman's inner monologues and the movie seemed better for it. I've no doubt that if they did it here it could have produced similar effects.
>>70782010
Questions for you, good sir.
>Is he as grumpy and pretentious as he comes across in interviews today, or is that just an exaggeration?
>Did he share any interesting little known info about TKJ/Watchmen?
>Actually, just sum up what questions you asked him
>>70782187
You're literally autistic and have ADD. The flashbacks were done perfectly.
>>70782187
TDKR movie probably cut the monologs because Weller was a terrible Batman. The less he spoke the better.
>>70774214
You have watched too many marvel and dc films with one dimensional characters, paper thin plot and excessive cgi. You probably can't handle anything deeper than that.
>>70782331
>The flashbacks were done perfectly
Look at Rorschach's origin flashback in the comic then compare it to the movie's, then say that again.
>>70782457
They had to cut time for Nite Owl Silk sex scene to hallelujah with flamethrower orgasm!!
>Why the fuck did they cut one of the most iconic scenes out for no reason?
here's the real million dollar question:
would terry gilliam's version have been any better? i'm talking about the one that uses the sam hamm script where rorschach, dan and laurie end up in the real world at the end and are about to be arrested by the cops for being cosplayers.
>>70782457
His origin is overly long in the comic and I didn't miss it at all. It's cliche as hell and what was in the film sufficed perfectly. He's the most over rated character anyways. Dr. Manhattan has a much more interesting back story and those scenes alone are pure kino.
>>70782558
That sounds fucking retarded.
>>70779375
I liked Deadpool, but the movie itself wasn't anything great. It was a nice watch, but it's weaker than a lot of capeshit. It's like the Hangover 2 of capeahit.
>>70779625
I'll trade you one ozymandias for two silk spectres. He did a decent job as a pretty boy know-it-all faggot.
Both of those goddamn silk spectre bitches couldn't act for shit, especially SS2.I'd do all kinds of shit to either of them though
>>70782449
Actually I hate movies. Sitting through one is difficult for me because I don't know if it's going to be good or not and I don't wanna sit through 2+ hours of a film just to find that out in the end.
I decided to watch Lord of the Rings because the trilogy+the hobbit are pretty fucking gucci. Kinda pissed how Legolas and Gimli weren't done justice in the third film though.
Then decided to watch Deadpool and Watchmen. Deadpool was alright. Nothing more than that though. Watchmen I can't stand though. Rorschach to me seemed like an edgy teen in the beginning. By the end I was terribly confused by his dialogue and actions. Some of the replies here clear up a lot about his persona. I loved the comedian. I wish there was more content of him. What I really hated was how Jupiter was tossed around as mainly a sex object. I felt there was more to be had with her character considering all the others were fleshed out well.
>>70782298
>>Is he as grumpy and pretentious as he comes across in interviews today, or is that just an exaggeration?
No, he was very patient and humorous - especially given we were both know nothing kids. He gave us well over an hour on the phone. I think he's soured over the years. At the time he was trying to start up his own imprint (Mad Love) and I think he had some optimism about taking some creative control back from DC (who he had serial, legitimate beefs with of an epic nature). I would guess the rise of capeshit has made him despair for humanity, among other things of a political nature
>>Did he share any interesting little known info about TKJ/Watchmen?
Not rlly - I asked him a stupid question about Kitty Genovese (I thought he was homaging Harlan Ellison - facepalm), so he talked about that for a while, why he chose it "A high water mark for just how shit-rotten modern society had become" were his words more or less. Re TKJ I think he was at the end of his tether with DC and it was purely a contractual thing, and the story didn't interest him, clearly, and we didn't ask about it. He was much keener to talk about AARGH and Brought to Light / The Christic Institute. He also was excited about Big Numbers (it was called The Mandelbrot Set at that point and he hadn't fallen out with Sienkiwicz)
>>Actually, just sum up what questions you asked him
Favourite novel - Gravity's Rainbow. Favourite author - William Burroughs (he thought the pinnacle of writing, as described by Burroughs - that you should be able to write about death so well that people reading it would die, was "about right"
My friend has a copy of the interview (it was never published - we made it into a little booklet and sold it at a comic convention a few months later.) But he is a massive cunt and wont send me a copy.
Bottom line. He was totally nice, very dry sense of humour, and seriously into art and comics as art. I'd sum it up as he was optimistic and had loads of irons in the fire.
>>70774214
My thoughts areYou faggots banned me from the stream for fake spoilers you silly bastards
You're humorless pricks anyway
>>70776150
stop comparing trash like BvS to Watchmen.
Watchmen is actually good.
NONE OF YOU SEEM TO UNDERSTAND
>>70782298
>>Is he as grumpy and pretentious as he comes across in interviews today, or is that just an exaggeration?
>>Did he share any interesting little known info about TKJ/Watchmen?
>>Actually, just sum up what questions you asked him
2/2 ran out of text...
He was the opposite of pretentious. He was fervent about expanding the reach and importance of comics. He was kind of a holy warrior for pop culture. I guess that hasn't changed...
Odd side note. Not long after we interviewed Alan Moore, I was on a train and Dave Gibbons sat across the aisle with his young son (He lived in St Albans I think). They'd been shopping and he was looking at an art book he'd just bought, pointing out to his boy "isn't this great" "Look what he'd done here" His kid seemed interested in it all. It was just a lovely, lovely thing to see. I just sat there thinking THAT is the dad I want to be. I didn't have the nerve to disturb him!
Finally, a bit more background on it all. I got the idea to interview AM because I'd sent Clive Barker a fan letter about a year before, asking for an interview. He responded and met me at his offices at Harper Collins in Mayfair and gave me an hour or so. That one did get published in a fanzine a friend of my brother set up in the Midlands, but I never even saw it or got a copy - I'd left England to go and work on cruise ships. Clive was everything everyone says - the nicest man you could hope to meet.
What was wild was that Harper Collins actually called me when Stephen Donaldson was in the UK promoting Mordaunt's Need and they got me in to interview him! Happy days! They seemed to think I was a journalist with an audience worth reaching. All I have left of these adventures is the paperback copy of Donaldson's novel that his publicist gave me (he signed it)
My mate who has the last copy - I'll get it off him, he lives in London still (so do I) but he's seriously fucked and bitter. He just dangles the copy to me in pictures from his phone.
>>70784140
I'm majoring in journalism and film so this is the kind of stuff I really love hearing about. You have some fascinating stories.
You got an email address? I'd like to hear more and maybe get your perspective on how difficult it is to break into the field.
>>70774214
6-7/10 movie
"I feel fear for the last time" was easily the best part.
>>70784015
any quality present in watchmen is a result of the source material.
wait a few years and watch it again
then realise how stupid you were in your adolescent years
>>70784337
Well duh.
>>70778318
I imagine it's pretty common. Henry Cavill admitted he got a raging boner from one of his sex scenes in Tudors, which he had to apologise profusely to the actress for.
>>70784269
heya,
I'd rather not give out an email address on a Samoan life ruining commune, but if you an addy of some sort I can drop you a line, yeah. :-)
I mean I failed to break into the field, ultimately. I do Info sec now, which I kinda enjoy...
I will say though that in my experience it is very much worth reaching out to writers and artists in this way. I did it with letters to their publishers, because there was no Internet. Maybe that makes a difference? I think it's that simple, there was nothing insightful or fresh in my approaches to any of them. I mean I wasn't a fanboi, I was mad about literature, film, and comics overall, I think thats an important distinction too
The convention circuit was nice too - have stood drinking with William Gibson, Iain Banks, Terry Pratchett. I got lucky there because a friend of a friend got published (Storm Constantine) so I'd tag along with her to these things and sneak past the velvet rope.
I guess if you care about the art, and don't make mad demands on them, you will find it's not too hard to get some time with these people, God bless 'em.
>>70781881
>What exactly does Watchmen have in the comic that wouldn't work well in a movie adaptation?
It's too long and has too many - very diverse - characters for a single film is all.
>>70781887
>Hack Synder didn't realize it was a critique of the superhero genre which then becomes a critique of reality.
U dumbass, he's on record in Forbes saying precisely this?
>>70782626
>Dr. Manhattan has a much more interesting back story and those scenes alone are pure kino.
totally true.
>>70784580
That's what I've figured. You have to take a risk if you want to get results but it's hard to work up the nerve sometimes, at least in my experience. John Carpenter's coming to my town next month and I've thought about trying my luck with him. I feel like as long as you're not an autist most celebs or artists are easy to talk to, but you never know.
Anyway, email address is [email protected] so yeah. Hope to hear from you!
>>70784886
>[email protected]
that email, lol!
I'll drop you a line m8. You should totally do JC...
>>70781257
i don't get it
>>70781880
bullshit. i was 10 when i first saw it and i knew that ozy was the true hero
Terrible adaptation of a good comic. Watching it right after rereading the gn made me realize just what a fucking disaster of an adaptation it is
>>70788425
>Terrible adaptation of a good comic. Watching it right after rereading the gn made me realize just what a fucking disaster of an adaptation it is
You realised nothing. It was able enough. I mean, hell, I didn't like it... What exactly about it was worst in your opinion, redditbobneckbeardpants?
>>70776456
>the only worthwhile scene can fuck right off
So you downgrade this piece of manure to something you can't even fap to. Thanks, moron.
>>70774214
I didn't realize that it sucked until I watched it the second time. It's so incredibly long, I just wanted it to end.
Also I cringed so fucking hard during the sex scene on their flying ship. It shoots out its flamethrower as they climax; it's fucking retarded
>>70790944
>Also I cringed so fucking hard during the sex scene on their flying ship. It shoots out its flamethrower as they climax; it's fucking retarded
That's actually in the comic, too, but being on paper instead of in your face with real action and music makes it much less obnoxious.
>>70774339
>'get it'
Go away
It was flat and dull
No one who left the theater gave that movie a second thought
Intro scene was absolute GOAT, visuals are sex, but the ending sucked. Overall pretty good.
Thanks for this thread anons I now know what to think of this movie.
>>70793569
You're welcome!
4chan: telling you what to think since 2003.
Snyder didn't understand the source material, wich alongside his take on MoS and BvS, proves he's not capable of handling DC characters. Yes his movies look good, but they lack any content.
He will probably be a great choice for Marvel movies though, since they have very bland stories and their target audience has a lower IQ on average.
>>70774214
It had so much potential yet Zack Snyder didn't really dive into the emotional depth of the characters. I feel like Watchmen is a drama first and foremost which is something Zack failed to understand.
>>70787491
five minutes to midnight
>>70774226
go to a starwars thread and defend the prequels you walking talking /tv/ cliche
the Watchmen rendition of the Koyaanisqatsi music is actually the best version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0RKpmjjpLQ
prove me wrong
so a faithful adaptation of the comic.
>>70796242
except they completely changed the ending
>>70774214
Trash that's completely up it's own ass. That blue guy in particular was a raging faggot.
>>70796325
>>70796242
and missed possibly every point
>>70796762
Snyder understood Watchmen better than most of the plebs in this thread. Dave Gibbons agrees.
