Bakshi's LotR is better than Jackson's, and you are a plebian if you say otherwise.
It's not, but thanks for the contrarian hipster elitist opinion.
>>70685911
I love the rotoscope sequences and the animation as a whole but its petty lackluster.
>>70685969
>>70686145
OP is correct, it's kino. Neither of you deserve to live.
I do love rotoscoping. I wish it had caught on.
>>70685911
Didn't the composer homage the Orc theme with the Mordor theme in LotR?
>>70685911
At least Jackson's had animation.
>>70686721
What the fuck are you talking about? Bakshi's is the animated one
it's a shame it ends in the middle of the story because they ran out of funding or something.
>>70685911
Incorrect, kiddo.
>>70686813
They didn't run out of funding, the movie just would have been five hours long
>>70686790
are you on the spectrum?
>>70686843
why didn't they do the second half?
>>70685911
That animation may look good as a still but seeing it actually movie is cringy. It looks so bad.
And fucking christ, that movie's version of the Balrog is awful.
Its a decent movie otherwise, but it ain't got shit on Jackson's.
>>70686856
You have autism
>>70686964
I like it, it gives the film an interesting look
>>70685911
did they run out of money at some point when the animation style changes completely?
>>70686964
Balrog in Fellowship of the Ring isn't really any better. It literally just looks like a giant satan
>>70686889
Because it was a bomb
>>70686614
PJ gave it a shout out by lifting the "PROUDFEET!" shot from Bilbo's party
WHERE THERE'S A WHIP
*CRACK*
THERE'S A WAY
>>70687687
Wrong animated Tolkien adaptation fuckwit
>Jackson interprets Fire of Orthanc as Saruman's life of dabbling in lore and the dark arts yielding the first discovery of primitive gunfire, furthering the thematic ties between mechanization / industrialization and the destruction of the peaceful pastoral paradise
>Bakshi interprets Fire of Orthanc as Saruman standing on his roof and shooting lasers at Helm's Deep from halfway across Middle Earth with his magic stick
>>70688466
The exact same thing could be said about the Bakshi film
>>70686964
This opinion is correct. All others are wrong.
>>70685911
Bed and breakfast in Isengard!!
>>70685911
this was by far my favorite movie when i was a kid. but i'm affraid of watching it again, because i think it wold up anymore (especially after enjoying jackson's movies aswell)
>>70685911
That looks pretty cool. I would totally pay money to see this project continued, with some old parts cleaned a bit. Same style, just a bit more brushed every now and there.
Also bring part the old staff back on the project, if they haven't died already. It should look like it was actually done in the same year. But they probably could do things a lot faster with today's tech.
Just so we could have this one thing more in this world.
>>70687090
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kylnv0eTsGc
compared to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKGQFkWI_bM
You're right senpai, it really is no better.
>Not preferring the Rankin Based version
Rotoscoping is objectively terrible but there's some kind of nice atmosphere in Ralph Bakshi's work. It's comparable to like, the smell of old furniture leather from the 70s. It has sort of a nostalgic and wellsettled feeling, especially Wizards.
>>70689497
>Rotoscoping is objectively terrible
What?
Or did you just mean the lazy rotoscoping in some scenes of this film?
>>70687090
It's literally a demon of fire. What else should it look like but a giant Satran?
>>70686417
It did. And now they've added blue rubber suits and cgi.
>>70687264
Hackson did lifted a lot of stuff
>>70690715
>>70686964
what through me off about the animation style is that even though it was always rotoscoped, the way the characters were drawn would constantly shift from cartoony to fuzzy, high-contrast live action looking style.
>>70686417
There's a lot of movies that use it. Most of it you don't realize what your seeing is rotoscoped. There's a lot of 3D rotoscoping now where a low quality 3D character is rotoschoped over like in this vid,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN_CP4SuoTU
And there's movies like,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkjDUERgCQw
However, the more modern techniques are motion capture to 3D like in,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLQ39bn8-98
>>70688767
i remember the dub too anon
>>70690929
>let's go with the Christian lore bullshit instead
Imagine what this fucker would have looked like on the big screen.
>>70690963
Yea absolutely. I specifically remember being creeped out by the inn scene as a kid and not being able to put my finger on why. The mix of purely animated hobbits and Aragorn with the thinly drawn over bar patrons is jarring and nightmarish
https://youtu.be/5lJJr0lDQiQ?t=38
>>70686404
>it's kino
>tumblr as the filename
Nah, Bakshi ain't got shit on the 1980 return of the king movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLwzm5lvDHI
>>70691127
That's awful. And it would have looked like shitty CGI clusterfuck
>>70691127
>le everything a face Miller
Being alien just for the sake of it doesn't make it good.
>>70691143
>those midgets
>>70689088
MY FUCKINGS SIDES
>>70691127
like a headache-inducing clusterfuck
>>70691257
More like everything is overly detailed and jagged.
>>70691228
>CGI
Naw, they should do it with practical effects, not CGI, kid.
>>70685911
The Boromir scene was done much better in this one than in Jackson's.
Peter Jackson's adaption is automatically inferior since it didn't have this song in it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoAfb3f04mo
>>70691197
GANDALF FUCKING FELL OFF HIS HORSE IN HACKSON'S BASTARDIZATION WHAT A SHIT TROLOGY 0/100
>>70691335
It's great when he's depicting Chaos but he shoves it in too much where it doesn't belong.
>>70691127
You know we both posted the same design from a different angle right?
>>70691373
It would look like shit anyway
>>70686968
He's one of those dumbfucks that think rotoscoping isn't animation.
>>70690977
Ow damn renaissance trailer looks nice
>>70691478
It isn't real animation, though. It's literally tracing, and not nearly as flexible since the effect is so goddamn obvious.
>>70685911
It potentially would've been on par if WB let Bakshi finish it with his plans for Return of the King. Giving it back to Rankin/Bass was a bad idea. The team was great for The Hobbit, but Lord of the Rings was suited to a more adult-oriented approach.
>>70691566
That really depends on the style. Check this list out, as you may be surprised,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rotoscoped_works
>>70691566
>one style of rotoscope is the only style
Yeah, you can just fuck off right now. Even the style you're talking about is leagues cooler than most modern CG.
>>70691662
Not really surprised, it's pretty obvious in all of those works for the most part. Not saying it doesn't have its uses, but to call it animation, regardless of style is just wrong since it is by definition tracing something.
>>70691697
Most of the time it looks like a fucking photoshop filter. I wouldn't call that better than modern CG, they're both shit and lazily done most of the time.
>>70691127
why would the dwarves make their home so scary looking?
>>70691965
They have an underground culture
>>70690929
>>70691127
That pretty fucking cool. They wouldn't have been able to pull it off then. Thats straight kino material tho
>>70686404
>it's kino
>I'm 16 and trying to fit in
Anyway, Ralph Bakshi is a cunt.
>>70690925
This is a good example of where it looks shitty. The stills and backgrounds are gorgeous, but those hobbits look fucking horrendous. Like they're out of a low budget disney film from the 80s.
>>70690925
What else?
>>70691416
Neither did Bakshi's. That's from the Rankin Bass one
>>70692206
Then Bakshi is also inferior.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwjTEfU0jlY
>>70692112
Jackson definitely took more inspiration from Bakshi than he lets on. Off the top of my head
>Hobbits hiding from the Ring Wraith is staged the same way
>Aragorn & Co. meeting Gandalf the White is staged the same way
>Weathertop is depicted and fight scene is staged very similarly
>Eomer replaces Erkenbrand and saves Theoden & Co. at Helm's Deep
>The entire scene of the Ring Wraiths invading Bree and slashing up the Hobbits' beds was an original idea of Bakshis and PJ used it and also staged the scene the same way
>>70692059
>all dem early Cool world faps
well, there was something he did right
>>70686417
I preferred the rotoscoping in Fire and Ice.
>>70691566
Then its not full animation. Its still animated.
I mean a bunch of animation in most classic disney is rotoscoped. Even the Fleischer studio understood the artistic value of rotoscoping.
You dont know what your talking anon, sorry.
>>70692578
Also Elijah Wood doing his voice like the cartoon Frodo.
>>70692578
Damn that bree scene is purekino
>>70692578
I remember reading somewhere that Jackson was accused of copying the opening of the film with the voiceover, since that's not from the book, but he explained that he hadn't even seen the Bakshi version.
>>70691416
>confusing Bakshi's nauseating roto-shit with Rankin Bass's whimsical masterpiece
>>70687090
actually my main gripe with the jackson balrog is that it doesn't look like a satan at all
it looks like dumb fucking monster with the IQ of a chicken, not a fearsome demon from another age
and it is also just too iconic for its own good, something from which the jackson trilogy has generally suffered a lot
I mean sticking to some classic fantasy imagery isn't bad for fuck sake
generally I consider the jackson trilogy to be pretty much perfect up until the green ghost army shows up in minas tirith but visually I can't say it trumps the cartoon versions
>>70692951
Then he admitted in the commentary that he lifted the PROUDFEET scene from Bakshi so I'm not sure why he lied about not seeing it.
He might have been trying to avoid a lawsuit at the time
>>70691882
Tracing is animation.
Me sir? Go and see the elves. Oh, Hoooray!
I don't think anyone in this thread actually knows what rotoscoping...
>>70694672
shitmouth
>>70694710
Or any Looney Tunes cartoon or like half of all animated Disney movies ever made
>>70694767
You are actually retarded if you think that looney toons or Disney are anything other than like 99% animation. They used rotoscoping occasionally, but to imply that it was primarily rotoscoping is incredibly insulting to the animators.
why was Sam literally a retard?
https://youtu.be/vUH5jIhIcac?t=13s
>>70686964
At least he wasn't as bad as Hildebrandt's.
>>70694908
Because he is.
>>70686417
Rotoscoping was a thing from the 20's to the 90's. Then they added computers and call it mo-cap. How much more caught on do you need?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qqgPa33mXU
>>70695175
Producers thought having a Saruman and a Sauron was too confusing so they made Bakshi change it to Aruman but the note came too late so in half the scenes they call him Saruman and in the other half Aruman (thus an effort to make it slightly less confusing ending up making it a million times MORE confusing).
It is stupid that the names are so similar and they both end up as adversaries though. I would imagine that's a product of Tolkien making up the stories as he wrote them.
>>70685911
Then I'm a plebeian, and proud of it.
>>70695598
maybe they sound similar because the characters are similarly evil and every name in his writings actually means something?
>>70694873
>Implying rotoscoping isn't legitimate animation
>Implying Disney movies were not mostly rotoscoped
>Implying the few bits that weren't are incredibly easy to spot because they switch to a 2D plain and physics stops working. IE the comic relief cutaway characters, and even they are often rotoscoped in places as well.
>Implying most of these rotoscopes aren't rotoscopes of other animations.
see this clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pph-ayIrOk
note the differences between Cinderella and the Fairy compared to the carriage drivers.
>>70694672
I do. I think they think it doesn't count if it isn't a Scanner Darkly style obvious trace.
>>70685911
Wait, holy shit I remember this. We had it on video when I was wee, used to watch it before I even knew what lotr was, and certainly long before jackson did his thing. It was cool as fuck, and pretty scary for a child too.
The poster's better than the film
>>70691127
Too "metal"
