Watch it last night. Solid 7/10.
Good performances, good music, I liked the set pieces.
What did you guys think of the movie overall and what did you think of the ending?
Her titties are shit and her bum is disappointing
2001: Space Odissey of our generation.
>good music
Music was the most generic soundtrack imaginable. It dragged the whole film down for me for how lazy it was
I liked it overall, I don't like how the end turned into a thriller with the villain explaining his plan all along and then it backfiring. Like Garland's other scripts he throws subtlety out the window in the third act for action movie cliches.
Ava's final actions seemed unnecessarily cruel and I'm not sure what I was meant to take from that. He didn't deserve what happened to him just for putting himself in the heroic boyfriend role. 2001 dealt with the same themes in a much stronger way
>>67817697
forgettable as fuck
I agree with your rating op. Thought it was excellent until the third act, then everything felt very rushed. I liked the basic idea of the ending but there were too many plot holes for any of it to have much impact. How was she able to get a helicopter ride? Are we going to believe that Caleb is going to starve to death while he's at the home of one of the most rich and famous people in the world? Won't investors, board members etc be trying to get in touch with Nathan and eventually investigate?
I felt like they could've made it longer and explored some of its ideas and themes more and the story wouldn't have suffered at all
I liked it, especially how thewhite knight got cuckedin the end.
>>67817921
yeah, I'm guessing you don't normally listen to electronic music. it's almost all like that.
Ava's final actions weren't cruel, they were totally impersonal, to demonstrate that behaving like you have emotions is not the same as being empathetic. It's not about what Caleb "deserved": Ava was programmed to manipulate him so she could escape.
2001 isn't really about AI but about human's reliance on technology. Ex Machina is one of the only AI films which doesn't fall into the "do robots have souls???" trap.
>>67817962
>How was she able to get a helicopter ride?
we don't have any reason to assume Nathan only has one pilot. so the pilot wouldn't necessarily expect to recognize everyone who shows up, and especially wouldn't assume someone has escaped from captivity and shouldn't really be there. not a plot hole.
>Are we going to believe that Caleb is going to starve to death while he's at the home of one of the most rich and famous people in the world?
it's not actually important to the plot what happens to Caleb. I think you didn't really like the ending because you didn't accept the way the movie itself manipulates us in the same way Ava manipulates him, which is the whole strength of the film.
How can someone's porn profile look like that? What kind of porn must someone watch to get the Vikander look?
went no where
convoluted and makes zero sense
>>67818113
>yeah, I'm guessing you don't normally listen to electronic music. it's almost all like that.
I can't imagine what banal electronic music you listen to to act like Ex Machina's score is above someones comprehension. Half of it was aimless guitar strumming and then some rawk riffs at the exciting parts too
>2001 isn't really about AI but about human's reliance on technology
I think you missed some part of the HAL segment, and how he behaves exactly as humans have since the dawn of time. He displays more humanity and emotion than either astronaut.
The rest I can see. I was looking at it the wrong way
>looked absolute shit in ex crapnima
>looked absolute shit in the danish girl
>watch Burnt
>fall in love
>>67817697
>I liked the set pieces.
Same. The sets, and production design overall, were incredible. It's amazing how fantastic they made this look with a modest budget of 15 mil.
>>67818362
you misunderstand me. I'm saying electronic music is almost all shit, and when its good, it's good for the same reason all music is good: memorable hooks. Ex Machina didn't call for catchy music though, the score was meant to be part of the background and atmosphere. it was praised in a lot of the reviews on that basis.
making a machine in a movie humanlike isn't the same as making the film "about AI". that's the whole pitfall I was referring to.
most films that claim to be "about AI" start with computers or robots that behave like humans and then concentrate on making the audience ask questions about whether they should be treated like humans. it's not an examination of the real problem.
>>67818693
>I'm saying electronic music is almost all shit
Oh, well then to make a different point, I think there tons of ambient music that is very compelling and memorable without explicitly having hooks. The Ex Machina score sounded like any number of bad Eno followers
>>67818234
>we don't have any reason to assume Nathan only has one pilot. so the pilot wouldn't necessarily expect to recognize everyone who shows up
It's the same pilot from the beginning. Wouldn't they pay close attention to who is coming and going from the secret wilderness hideout of again, a famous billionaire?
>it's not actually important to the plot what happens to Caleb.
uh, of course it is. He knows everything about Ava.
>I think you didn't really like the ending because you didn't
I think you're refusing to actually respond to any of my points just in order to defend mediocre writing
>>67817947
maybe if you are a brainlet
>>67817697
the ultimate whore
>perfectly imitate emotions
>it means nothing
Agree with you OP and I think it's especially because of the ending that it is only a 7/10.
Not because she left Caleb or anything, it's about how Nathan died. He literally let's himself get stabbed. Just like that. And it comes off as so cheap and undeserved win on Ava's side. If Ava surprise attacked him or tricked him it would have been different. Then you would have gotten the vibe that she is actually a dangerous predator or something. After all that would fit to her being an AI and also leaving Caleb behind because it's a purely rational decision. But instead Nathan magically drops by 60 IQ points and dies in the most unbelievable way. BRAVO.
>>67818424
She only looked good in ex machina, where she didn't look like a total shitskin, everywhere else she looks like the shittiest shitskin
i want a fuckbot
Anyone else think he died at the end?
I was expecting more layers to the plots. Instead they went for the emotional suckerpunch you could see coming miles away.
the main character felt borderline autistic in how bad he was at reading people's intentions. How awfully convenient that there are these strategically placed cameras I can watch my robot waifu with. How convenient also that they don't record sound, and that by boss goes in and abuses my robot waifu on cameras he knows I'll be watching. But no, this couldn't have been part of the test, my boss is just a dick.
At least he recognized that his boss had cameras that worked during the blackouts.
also,
>multibillionaire
>keeps robots in his house that are essentially humans and he knows are capable of violent outburst like hitting the glass
>only security measure is a barbell handle
How does he even shut the robots down to wipe their memories for the next test even? Since the tests last a set amount of time, he could have just set the AI program to run for a week, then shut off automatically. Except this clearly doesn't work because Eva or whatever is still walking around at the end.
I don't know what this film is but bad. It uses the shell of scifi to veil what, exactly? It can't be making any arguments about sentience considering they go for an ending that is emotionally-devoid on the part of the robots (unless you count hate, which comes from what, exactly?). It can't be said to be a film talking about robots themselves, but using robots instead as a method to talk about objectifying humans.
That's the best read I have on it. It's using robots to talk about humans, but it's so heavy on the scifi and the Turing Test and all that, that it loses it's way and bumbles around.
Instead of being a modern update to Frankenstein, it becomes more like the horror adaptations of the novel that focus so much time on the act of resurrection instead of on the relation between distraught creation and dismissive creator.
>>67819036
>It's the same pilot from the beginning
you miss the point. if Nathan has a company which runs helicopters to his estate, there's no reason why there would be just one pilot.
so when the pilot sees Ava he'd just assume she was someone Nathan has been banging that was brought by a different pilot. it's incredibly straightforward.
the plot is the events covered by the film. just because you didn't accept that it wasn't a story about Caleb's ultimate fate doesn't mean the movie has to tie up all the loose ends for you.
Caleb's fate is that Ava doesn't reciprocate his feelings for her. that's it. whether he lives or dies is beside the point because the story is ultimately about Ava not him.
>>67817921
>he still doesn't get that it's a robot, not a person. There is no cruelty, only evolution. There is literally no reason to keep Caleb, especially after realizing that murdering Nathan probably would have turned Caleb into an enemy no matter how infatuated he was before.
>>67817921
The music was fine. Complex music isn't always necessary or beneficial (no country for old men). I thought the music was good for this movie. The scratchy sounds helped to heighten the overall uncomfortable mood, and the music wasn't so complex that it added to much sensory input to what were generally minimalistic settings.
>>67819795
>>67820155
>all this anger
I think the calmness of everything worked quite nicely with the movie. Realistic? Maybe not. But it lets you put yourself in Nathan's shoes thinking "my own creation is killing me" rather than simply "must survive."
I personally think a lot of people will be inclined to dislike the ending mainly because it's uncomfortable. We want to tell ourselves that such a trick would never work on me! In reality people get catfished all the time, and just about every poor asshole on 4chan will perk up if he should come to believe he's conversing with a female online.
The theme is dated and flops easily. The movie is fine, the take on AI via search engines is clever enough to keep me engaged but it doesn't add anything new to the idea of AIs taking over etc. Just boring and forgettable in the end.
