When did you realize the Critics were wrong?
>>70615525
>h-hey guys, I know we've scraped the bottom of the barrel with this flick, but I'm g-gonna make another BvS thread
Jesus Christ. I'm not even exaggerating right now, but this board makes me physically sick. I can feel a huge migraine every time some fucking faggot decides to dredge up another superhero thread. I come here to talk about fun and interesting cinema, but shit-stains like you ever do is fuck about and make capeshit threads. I've been to Tumblr blogs and even subreddits, fucking subreddits, and had better discussions about films than I have on this miserable piece of shit board.
The raging autistic fanboyisms of /co/, the narcistic elitist swagger of /a/, the self loathing hatred of /r9k/ and the downright abhorrent media worship of /v/: all of this website's fucking cancer, all concentrated into one single board. Kill yourself OP. Just do society a favour and go fucking die!
>>70615633
>I've been to tumblr blogs
>and even subreddits
Oh it shows.
>>70615525
Critics were good before YouTube personalities and tumblr
But for me it was Iron Man. Saw it had a 94 when it came out, back when that meant something. Dropped RT right then and there, haven't looked back.
And I didn't even really hate Iron Man. Thought it was a pretty generic action movie. But a 94? Absurd.
>In b4 I don't know how RT works
I understood how it worked literally the first time I viewed the website.
>>70615633
>I've been to Tumblr blogs and even subreddits, fucking subreddits, and had better discussions about films than I have on this miserable piece of shit board.
Only retards come here for proper film discussion. /tv/ is for shitposting.
>>70615751
>I understood how it worked literally the first time I viewed the website.
Yeah right
>>70615734
>>70615776
>falling for a copypasta
>>70615776
>Only retards come here for proper film discussion.
Oh you mean like >>70615633
Rotten tomatoes has lost so much credibility over this.
>>70615525
i haven't yet. when there will be an hd torrent? it's been MONTHS
>>70615525
Guardians Of The Galaxy = 91%
Furiosa Road = 97%
never again
>>70615859
>using Internet your parents pay for to break the law.
You at least help with rent, right?
>tfw all the shitposting in the world won't make BvS a good movie
Also check these digits.
>>70615898
Stay mas dcuck
>>70615525
the second the movie started. Literally every critic and /tv/ BTFO at the same time
>>70615962
>Marvel has literal cuckold imagery
>DC uses a white male as the US president in the current year
>Marvel calls DC cucked
????
>>70615525
critics know more than you.
The minute I realized this isn't just some dumb action movie.
>>70615525
About halfway through it, once I started realizing where things were headed. At the same time, I also realized how badly I'd misjudged MoS.
>>70615525
Why do you care about what the Critics think? It's just a movie
>>70615525
Haven't seen it yet
>>70616118
>spending the one life you get writing "critical analysis" of movies
>>70616081
your cucking yourself by enjoying shit movies
>>70616159
>You will soon be able to marathon Watchmen (directors cut), Man of Steel, and BvS (directors cut)
Brb kino overdose
>>70615956
>tfw shitposting about BvS being shit won't stop the disscussions and it being good.
I knew critics were wrong the moment I saw the most symbolic Batman backstory ever made and how they matched the Zod fight with Bruce rushing to the Wayne building.
>>70616118
>critics know more than you
sure they do
>defending shit movies
lmao
>>70615898
Those are good too.
>>70616221
I mean, you're on /tv/ posting .gifs of shitty youtubers
I love how rotten tomatoes is literally the only argument people have for shitting on this movie.
>>70615525
On first viewing.
This movie shook me like a ragdoll feom the opening.
>>70616433
>image.jpg
>>70616455
the movie was literal shit
>>70616478
*from
When superman saw the missile approaching and immediately got the situation, and chose to nearly sacrifice himself to stop a monster born from his decision to kill another man.
>>70616508
>Disneykid on his last legs
>>70616505
>ad-hominem
never reply to me ever again.
>>70615525
I really liked this film and cannot wait for Ultimate Edition.
>>70616419
that's still better than being a movie critic
>>70615525
Critics are never always wrong or always right. You would just let other people decide things for you if that were the case.
However, BvS is utter shit. They weren't wrong to trash this film.
When I saw Man of Steel
Seriously though, can someone without using memes explain to me why bvs was bad?
>>70617026
Your mother's a whore.
>>70617094
That's extremely rude and uncalled for
When I saw the score for the oldboy remake
>>70617026
The main idea behind superman is hes capable of doing exactly what he thinks right no matter what the rest of the world thinks. Humanity can't stop him, can't control him, can't influence him, all they can do is sit and watch. He has no reason to take politics, slander, or imprisonment seriously, because hes a literal god.
Snyder's superman doesn't seem to recognize this. And, instead, just mopes around uselessly, then gets more upset when people don't love him for moping around uselessly.
>>70616339
Did she hate Watchmen, too?
>>70617436
Snyders superman hasn't even become superman.
In bvs he's still struggling with what his faggot dad taught him, that doing nothing is the best option. Also superman hates the god worship
>>70617930
and likely he'll never get over that, because snyder doesn't seem to understand that superman is not doctor manhattan.
but hey, literal drooling retard.
>>70617930
>Snyders superman hasn't even become superman.
>
>In bvs he's still struggling with what his faggot dad taught him, that doing nothing is the best option.
>year and a half since MoS
>still acts like this
That's my main problem with the the presentation, how can have that swell of hope and wonder that is hinted at in moS' ending but in the sequel it's like the worst possible situation came out of it.the answer is let's skip Man of Steel 2/Man of Tomorrow and force some shitty conflict with Batman, people LOVE batman!
>>70617930
>dad says to never help people ever
>clark never has a teenage rebellion phase
so is snyder's superman literally retarded? Like stuck at a preadolescent phase of development, incapable of learning anything that wasn't hammered into him by the dumbest pa kent possible?
>>70615525
when they said it was amazing
>>70617436
You do realize that over the vast majority of their existences, both Superman and the Justice League are deputized in their home country and recognized by the U.N., right?
The power to act unilaterally is no reason to believe you should. Him acting on no one's recognizance but his own is one of the main points of the movie. One of the reasons he's shown to be doing so is that he's been pushing ahead not seeking to establish any sort of dialogue with the people he's protecting and establishing any sort of public voice and persona in an effort to outrun his own guilt.
When viewed in that light, he's not only worried about the growing amount of worship and adulation he's shown to be receiving, I happen to think that he doesn't even feel worthy of it in the first place.
>>70615525
>ITT headcannon rewrites and high-school symbolism
>>70615525
I didn't.
>>70618158
and that's fucking stupid. clark/superman has the ability to let his actions speak for him. Yet he mopes around and fucks around with local politicians for literal reasons.
He has the ability to do enough good in a small enough timeframe that it doesn't matter what people say/think about him. But snyder just doesn't get this, and just acts like superman would be superbummed about having superpowers.
>>70618054
Hey, here's some interviews if you're interested in revisiting your opinion of the man.
Forbes interviews
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2014/04/17/exclusive-interview-with-zack-snyder-director-of-batman-vs-superman/#741dcc1f3dcc
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2016/04/01/interview-zack-snyder-discusses-themes-behind-batman-v-superman/#72d351214df6
And here's the Sucker Punch short he addresses in one of the above articles.
Sucker Punch
http://www.slashfilm.com/video-you-dont-understand-sucker-punch/
I happen to think he represents himself and speaks to the subject matter and his intentions with it fairly well for a "drooling retard." but maybe that's just me.
>>70618312
That's nice.
None if it is actually in any of his movies.
>>70616273
What is Spiderman 1-3, and The Amazing Spiderman 1 & 2? What is the first Hulk movie that was god awful?
>>70618255
and you don't get clark, at least as he's presented in the movie, all while ignoring the shit that directly happens to him and some of the indirect things that happen because of him.
do you know what moping is
a guy who's being active towards all his goals until something happens that puts it all in question and seeks solitude for possible answers isn't moping
>>70618312
He is by far the best capeshit director in Hollywood. Snyder and Nolan have done the only capeshit films actually worth watching.
Singer is pretty good too, I will say. Vaughn is okay but overrated and the Russo brothers are meh at best.
Where they wrong about the WOW movie too?
>>70618450
Uh, yea, when you're superman, stoping being superman because someone else caused a ton of damage is kinda being a mopey cunt.
Different rules for literal gods, ya know.
>>70618090
>>70618119
I agree, we should have gotten mos 2 instead of bvs but the superman presented in bvs is a jaded one.
>he sees the fanaticism
>he sees the criticism
>he begins to question whether or not his father was right all along
>>70618491
Nolan made one good batman movie and snyder has made a number of good trailers.
>>70618415
Not made by Marvel.
Also why are you talking like a retard?
>>70618255
You see that corkboard in the security guard's basement? Dozens of newsworthy things Supes had been up to over that year and a half. It's great that he's doing those things, but by remaining aloof from the attention as he certainly appears to be, it just does more to foster the image of this mysterious "man in the sky" come to solve all our problems.
In my opinion, that's one of the reasons Lex bombing the Senate hearing was so important. Clark was ready to stop dodging the hard questions and face some of his guilt over the consequences of his past actions, but Lex was able to snatch that away from him because Clark feels so guilty, he can't even bring himself to look at Wally, knowing that for all he managed to stop during the Battle of Metropolis, he's part of the reason that Wally's in that chair.
>>70618535
>oh no, i'm being criticized by people I haven't helped
>oh god, the people I have helped are worshiping me
>IMMA GO LISTEN TO LINKIN PARK
This is not the proper reaction for a literal god.
>>70618255
Superman just got out of a fight that leveled an entire city and killed thousands of people. It is not as though he trained to do this, he was hiding for most of his life as a regular human being and now he became responsible for thousands of deaths.
The crisis of his character is that he is still just a farmer's son from Kansas. He doesn't want to be a unilateral force with absolutely no accountability because he has seen what that costs. Just because most people worship him doesn't mean that he can ignore those that despise him. He is torn between the two because as Superman, he is trying to do what is right even though it isn't always clear cut.
>>70618599
>dozens
>in years
Why so little? The point snyder is missing about superman is he doesn't need to rest.
The second I saw it, f a m.
Video is a mashup of Both Metropolis viewpoints: Zod vs Supes, and Batman vs Collateral Damage.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ficEDs6WmhE
Fanboys want a Gary Stu wish-fulfillment Superman so they're upset that Snyder gave them an actually compelling character that faces meaningful adversity.
>>70618492
Don't know. Haven't seen it.
>>70618601
>He's not a god
>He was never even a man
>>70618535
Yeah, I definitely agree with this. I'd have preferred another stand-alone Superman movie with some nice world-building in it before we moved into this one.
>>70618602
>It is not as though he trained to do this,
Hes not exactly training himself to do it either.
and yes, the problem is mostly pa kent's bullshit. Because pa kent was the most worse-than-useless son of a bitch he could possibly be. But, of course, the end of MoS basically indicated he started as superman and he'd get over pa kent's useless bullshit eventually. Which, of course, isn't showing any sign of happening. Ever.
>>70618519
no, him wondering if he was doing any good at all was him actually caring about how he affects the world.
you're actually addressing clarks explicit central struggles in the movie. all while sounding like someone who might've been on an interview during the movie
>>70618652
18 months, to be precise. Not everything a cop does on a daily basis makes the papers, either.
" . . . Every time your hero saves a cat out of a tree, you write a puff piece editorial about an alien who, if he wanted to, could burn the whole place down. There wouldn't be a damn thing we can do to stop it."
The point here is that he *has* been trying to let his actions speak for him. It isn't enough. It never was and it never could be. Superman without a public voice is just edging dangerously closer to godhood, and that's why I believe a portion of his next appearance and subsequent film will be devoted to him establishing that one remaining missing piece of what Superman is, the thing that the Batman, by virtue of his very nature, can never be: a public figure.
>>70615525
I just watched it for the first time a few days ago. It's pretty good.
They tried to make a comic book movie for adults though which is kind of an oxymoron.
>>70619329
You know what I find kind of funny about folks who are so eager to dismiss any and all comic book movies as juvenile fare? They forget that comics are part of a larger genre, especially when it comes to the real cape types - science fiction and fantasy.
Hands down, the best, most interesting of those dual genres don't put their primary focus on world-building. Instead, they drill down onto one fantastical element, whether it's a new tech, a new discovery, whatever, then run the simulation on how society would react to said thing. That's essentially what MoS and BvS are doing, with a heaping helping of universe-building thrown into the mix as well.
>>70620073
>Instead, they drill down onto one fantastical element, , then run the simulation on how society would react to said thing
that's precisely why people done been triggered
and precisely why i'm into it more than the holy source material and donner apocrypha
precisely why it has all those the... details within it too
>>70615525
Speed Racer.Then I saw BvS and realized they can still be right.
>>70620241
>donner apocrypha
Funny you should mention that. I've been saying since the initial "not muh Lex!" reaction came back on Eisenberg's performance that if there had been an internet in the 70s, fanboys would have been pissing and moaning about Hackman's Lex being a conman with delusions of grandeur hiding out in an abandoned subway plotting his real estate scheme.
Don't misunderstand - I loved the Donner films, but they're not the same kind of movie, nor should they be looked on as holy writ.
>>70616361
>hahahaha only RT's opinion matters.
>>70615525
ive always disagreed on little thing here and there w/ a lot of critics. but star wars the force awakens was such a piece of shit. it really opened my eyes.
>>70615525
>When did you realize the Critics were wrong?
>>70620481
>should they be looked on as holy writ
they are
look at the response synder gets and compare it to the responses that religious groups give things
no difference, which makes the irony of their complaints about snyder so satisfying
>>70619161
The point, the problem, the core issue, is silver (or any) era superman could have started off in the snyderverse, where batman gets raped in prison, and after a short period of superman being superman, he could've dragged that world kicking and screaming into jimmy-olsen-ville. So, at this point, either snyder is retarded and doesn't realize this, or snyder realizes this and, therefore, needs superman to stay retarded so he can keep intact his universe where batman gets raped in prison.
>>70621472
in case the thread's gone before i get back i'd also like to say that
even if we can say for certain that snyder hasn't stuck his landings
his moves big and small are the right ones in keeping with the character places in the world as it is today
>>70621969
batman hasn't been raped in prison, so everything else you're saying is wrong by default
>>70615525
After I saw it and remembered what a pile of dogshit Age of Ultron was in comparison
>>70622204
Out-of-context quote in 5, 4, 3, 2, . . .
>>70622204
>>70622254
>JUST BECAUSE SNDYER SUMMARIZED HIS UNIVERSE WITH THE PHRASE "BATMAN RAPED IN PRISON" DOESN'T MEAN DATS WHAT HIS UNIVERSE IS
I guess I just feel stupid for trying to talk seriously about the problems with zack snyder with people who are clearly trolling.
>>70615898
Great films!
>>70622382
Here's the full interview, complete with 100% more context!
http://www.ew.com/article/2008/07/17/watchmen-chat-director-zack-snyder
Now go and sin no more.
>>70617026
Lot of things. Top of my head: Louis was throw around the movie to trigger the fucking plot like fucking magic.
>GUYS I NEED AN HELICOPTER
>M8, we are a fucking news paper
>lol kidding we have that
>Also you know exaclty were they are and you can probably get there unharmed right?
>OF COURSE BOSS
>Later: MARTHA (instead of something more logic to say like: Lex Luthor kidnapped my fucking mother)
>Louis of course is in time to say: IS HIS MOTHER
>HURR MY 3DEEP5U SYMBOLISM
>Except it's just a word game, literally.
Could go on but you get the idea, fuck head.
>>70615525
When I realized all this circus is simply a reenactment of The Fountainhead
>Yet another disguised shilling thread for bvs bluray
After I realized Kino wasn't just a meme, Snyder had blessed those who had the intellect and wisdom to see BvS as more than just a typical capeshit flick. True patricians were able to deduce the clever symbolism, allegories, and references to age old mythologies, tales, and historical events. BvS introduced mankind to superkino, alas most of the uneducated and plebeian populous failed to acknowledge this kino for the masterpiece it was.
I don't really care much about comics but I kept seeing this movie called underrated on here, IGN forums, and other "underground" discussion sites. I didn't really like it at all. To be truthful, I kinda regret using $15 to watch it. It wasn't exactly *bad*, it was just so painfully mediocre tryhard that I got bored halfway through the movie. I feel the Lex character was trying to convey a message, but he was written in a way that reminds me of when stupid students go Thesaurus-happy on their papers and try to sound more intelligent than they were. I get the feeling the writers and director aren't too intelligent.
>>70616361
the audience knows what's up though. I really liked BvS but due to the awful pacing and fuck-ups regarding the scene changes, I'd put it somewhere along the 70% line myself
I hope to god that the ultimate cut really improves the experience to a solid 8-9/10
>>70615633
Someone get this hothead out of here.
After the first five minutes. The intro was pure kino that surpasses anything from any other capeshit movie.
>>70618601
Actually, that is the correct reaction from someone who believes himself to be a man, a moral one at that
>>70623272
Unironically correct.
>>70623524
Yeah, that's about where I rate it, too.
>>70623066
Jesus, this level of retardation in a single post should trigger a critical mass
>>70624359
Yours is worse though.
>>70615525
They weren't.
This movie was shit.
>>70622382
>>JUST BECAUSE SNDYER SUMMARIZED HIS UNIVERSE WITH THE PHRASE "BATMAN RAPED IN PRISON" DOESN'T MEAN DATS WHAT HIS UNIVERSE IS
none of this is true
so yes, you are stupid
proven by how you've taken statements out of context and twisted them to false unrelated conclusions
>>70623961
Only if that man weren't superman.
>>70624641
>snyder uses the phrase "batman raped in prison" to summarize his universe
So I guess he took himself out of context too.
>>70624642
Why does that matter?
>>70624694
the whole "imma listen to linkin park" thing is a response to powerlessness.
superman.
>>70615525
When I saw it at the dollar movies. Pretty good.
>>70624790
But that's exactly how he would feel, completely powerless to change people's views and completely powerless to ignore mankinds plight
>>70624882
Superman.
an entity with nearly limitless capacity for action.
feeling powerless.
>>70624882
>be snyder's superman
>barely do anything
>don't change anything
>have no choice but to give up because otherwise you'd unravel synder's cynical universe.
>>70624925
Not sure if retarded or trolling...
>>70625240
Well I guess I've got one up on you there. I know you're trolling, just seeing how far you can take this.
>>70624925
There is a difference between physical power and actual power you nitwit.
Do you not know what superman's character traits are besides his powers?
>>70625214
>barely do anything
He did plenty
>don't change anything
He changed everything, that's the point
>have no choice but to give up because otherwise you'd unravel synder's cynical universe
It's very cynical true, which will make it even sweeter when superman (eventually) shines through, he will stand for hope again. I believe it
Can kino get any purer than this?
>>70625289
Hey look, more statements that don't apply to superman.
>>70625475
So in your considered opinion, how should he go about solving the problems in Syria?
I've never seen a capekino faggot that isn't trolling and can actually defend the objective qualities of BvS without backpedaling at all or falling into the "it's smart for capeshit" meme.
If you think this movie is an artistic masterpiece you really need to watch things other than capeshit
>>70615525
When I was 17 and had shit taste in movies.
Seriously, how could anyone claim its a good movie? You can say you enjoyed it because you're a biased DC fan and just wanted to see Batman and Superman in the same movie. But to pretend it was executed well.... I just don't get that delusion.
>>70625553
What if I think it's about a 7/10 and not a dumpster fire?
>>70625678
7/10 is still 2 points above average, this movie was bad to mediocre, around 4/5 imo
>>70625534
Lazor shotting every isis scum
>>70625723
>Lazor shotting every isis scum
I think we're done here.
>>70625553
I don't think there are any "objective" qualities about any product in any entertainment medium that has ever been made anon. So you're already setting people up for failure
>>70625803
You're wrong and simply don't know how those products are made
>>70625715
Does this mean I now have to backpedal on my opinion? If I were to explain why I think it's above average, does that instantly register as "omg so kino masterpiece," or is it just me expanding on my reasoning?
>>70625715
People exaggerating how bad it was are just as delusional as the ones exaggerating how good it was
7/10 is where I would peg it also
>>70625835
Elaborate on why a movie with such blatant problems in its execution has enough ambitions for you to consider it above average.
>>70625834
What makes a film "objectively" good anon? Be specific.
>>70625834
Go ahead then. Name an objective quality from any product in any medium
>>70624679
Have you heard him talk? That sounds like something he'd actually do
>>70625871
Kek
>>70625871
First of all, tell me what identifies for as problems. Is it editing? If so, that's where I'd agree with you.
Once we start moving away from that, we start getting into categories that are almost wholly subjective, but I'll more than gladly make my case.
>>70625875
>>70625908
When it uses the elements it's stablishing in a believable manner, presents its elements in a timely manner, has no lapses in logic that need to be explained by assuming things that aren't stated or shown, none of the framings are jarringly odd and the camerawork isn't lazy.
BvS lacks all these basic as fuck criteria to even be considered decent.
>>70625948
Did you read the interview it's cherrypicked from?
>>70625553
At this point I don't know who's trolling who
>>70626042
Yes, but I've also seen his interviews and talks. He's the type of person that just says words as part of a sentence, and doesn't realise what he's actually saying. I wouldn't be surprised if he had some mild aspergers
>>70626021
That's true of bvs.
But I asked for an example from any product that you believe to be "objectively great"
>>70626141
Dreams by Akira Kurosawa, it works on several levels and from a technical perspective it's impeccable, an example of something I believe to be objectively good, playing by its own ground rules and achieving what it sets out to do effortlessly.
>>70626021
You realize all of those things are subjective right? What is "believable" for one person may not be "believable" for another. What is "jarringly odd" for one person may not be for another.
>>70626094
Do you realize how much that sounds like people who say all these, to their eyes, "disparate elements" in his films are just there because they "look cool" even after people point out multiple examples of them and explain how they speak to the themes of the films?
"These words form a sentence just because they sound correct,"
>>70616339
Nice strawman, brah
>>70626251
Except that the believability of a work of fiction has no dependence on how relatable with the real world it is, instead it works by adhering to its set of self-established rules while solving its plot without insulting the intelligence of the interlocutoraka using elements that aren't established in any ways or dropping crucial plot points in hopes of the viewer not noticing.
>>70626248
>an example of something I believe to be objectively good
The key word being "I" in that sentence. Get off your high horse you raging faggot
>>70626326
I'm not talking taste, you're clearly some 90's kid since you believe all opinions are equally valid.
>>70626248
Is less than two hours what it takes to be objectively "timely?"
>>70626325
All of this is determined subjectively via an individuals subjective, personal interpretation.
>>70626294
>sentences are 2deep4u
You fuckers are going too far with this
>>70626421
Try telling that to an editor, try telling him that you saw a different 2001 than anyone else
>>70626325
And what plot points do you assert were dropped hoping to pass unnoticed, exactly?
>>70626384
No, you're applying objectivity in a varying art form aimed at varying tastes.
That fact that you try to pass of your personal taste as some sort of objective train of thought is laughable
>>70626481
None, I'm saying what objectively poorly written fiction is.
>>70626326
"I believe to be" and "objectively" are mutually exclusive terms.
The temperature in this room at the moment is objectively 61 degrees.
>>70626434
>sentences are 2deep4u
And I rest my case.
>>70626462
2001 wasn't objectively timely.
>>70626552
>>70626541
>>70626462
>>70626325
An objective review of a film would be:
"Its title is ____"
"Its starring ___"
"Its runtime is ____"
"It was produced/directed/written by ____"
"It made ____ dollars at the box office"
Simple a recitation of facs.
There is no such thing as an objective review of a film or a book or any other piece of entertainment or work of art. Math is objective. Art criticism is not, it cannot be.
>>70626541
And I'm saying that's a textbook example of an evasion.
I'm going to make a prediction about the director's cut here. If I'm wrong, I'll gladly own up to it when the time comes,
I don't think the original cut had the extended reprise of Bruce's parents' deaths. It's jarringly disruptive to the flow of the scene, and feels out of place, especially considering that Snyder doesn't tend to browbeat his audience in quite the way that reprise does. I think it was inserted there by the shitlord that did that butcher's job of editing to make up for some other omitted detail.
I think that we're going to find out that Clark researched Bruce Wayne in the course of his Gotham investigation and knew Bruce's mother's name, and that using it like he did was one last desperate gambit to rattle Bruce.
>>70626294
So... all of that shit just to say that people see Superman as a god? Fucking autism at its finest
>>70627028
you mean the flashback trigger?
on second watch it felt like 'oh duh of course' that when clark says martha all those images that had already been established as dreams bruce has had rush into his mind and therefore also get shown to the audience. a common montage trope
even before then the way i interpreted the vibe was leading to the moment of him raising the spear until he says martha. then the music and him shouting and the images create a sort of tension that dies with lois' entrance and bruce throwing the spear.
it's about how they're playing with tension and release in that portion of the movie
the whole thing functions on tension and release but not on the muh dark muh whatever complaints but more on the release of what is built up throughout the movie. that's partially why it's actually necessary to have doomsday to be that final release both in regards to the logic of what's just under the surface but also subconsciously
>>70627384
All of that shit to say in the right circumstances, even the devil can look like a saint, and to give a hint to what Lex's real motivations are: to save mankind, even if he has to manufacture the threat himself. That and a nice little merchandising deal on Earth's protectors, the Justice League™! brought to you by LexCorp™(action figures sold separately).
"And thus I clothe my naked villainy with old odd ends stol'n forth from holy writ and seem a saint when most I play the Devil."
>>70627415
I know what you're saying. To me, the flashback to the Wayne murder just feels a little overlong. Really, a flashback to the gun and the pearls would have done the trick. The more I've thought about it, the more it seems like the editor was overcompensating for a detail he'd omitted. To me, at least, seeing that much of the intro again messed with the tension and flow of the scene. Either way, time will tell.
And on that note, I'm off to bed, superbro. Hope you have a great night.
>>70615633
>>70627753
yeah i get that. i would have done that as well, actually cutting flashes of his memories with his face, it's actually what the dark knight returns does with alternating panels of memories and bruce's face
but i would have sold bruce's belligerence more, given what we already know about bruce and the way he framed that whole event in his mind it's totally plausible to also have him be extremely vulnerable to to shit like this rather than say some random guy saying martha
typing things like this is so funny because of the observation that i'd only change the movie in small ways if i could
YOU FUCKING PUSSY STAY UP PUNK BITCH
>>70616532
Why didn't he just keep flying it up and throw it away into space? Doomsday clearly didn't have any ability to fly under his own power, and it could be decades before he actually hit something.
>>70615525
>The world is introduced to The Superman
Right then, I knew what the film was, and it was glorious.
|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNMCiswQklU
>>70628458
he did
he kept flying up and turned doomsday around at the last second to make sure the nuke hit
>>70615782
>blames RT for Iron Man, the movie that spawned an entire franchise, as being a weak sauce movie.
It's no Schindler's list, but it's a movie that didn't follow the average movie tropes or comic book tropes. Kinda of a subtle thing you'd understand if you watched more movies. Like movie critics.
I might actually buy this just to see how funny Snyder's commentary is as he justifies all these awful decisions in real time.
>>70628782
>uhhhhhh huhhhhhhh Turkish Airlines uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hmmmmmmmmmm uhhhhh Star Wars uhhhhhhhhhhhh
I'm waiting for that extended cut that's been shilled daily.
>>70615525
When I was at home drinking brain fluid.
>>70623066
>>GUYS I NEED AN HELICOPTER
>M8, we are a fucking news paper
>lol kidding we have that
You're recalling that scene incorrectly
>Also you know exaclty were they are and you can probably get there unharmed right?
Bat signal ya dingus
>Later: MARTHA (instead of something more logic to say like: Lex Luthor kidnapped my fucking mother)
He was trying to the whole time until he accepted that batman was a legit nutcase
>Louis of course is in time to say: IS HIS MOTHER
Implying this is new and exclusive to capeshit
>HURR MY 3DEEP5U SYMBOLISM
Literally no one understood the themes until some faggot started to meme them
>>70623084
Literally how?
>>70630172
Marvelfags BTFO
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>>70618415
What is Green Lantern? Seriously me hearty, don't be a fool.
>>70630789
Snyder's entire career is literally a stand in for the story and main character of The Fountainhead
>>70631102
I remember trying to watch The Fountainhead once. Then that old architect looked at a building and said
>*I* built that
And I stopped watching there. Can you summarize how Snyder relates to it?
>>70631148
>The Fountainhead's protagonist, Howard Roark, is an individualistic young architect who refuses to compromise his artistic and personal vision for worldly recognition and success. The book follows his battle to practice what the public sees as modern architecture, which he believes to be superior, despite an establishment centered on tradition-worship
>>70631246
So it's the story of a hack who thinks he's a genius?
>>70631246
The protaganist of the fountainhead is an unsucessful draftsman, and even amazing modern architects make less per hour than hookers, literally. Most are teachers, my design teacher built buildings like it was no biggie in his spare time. It's an incredibly fucking heavy pursuit that makes no money at all.
Snyder is a rich, sucessful and popular hollywood director of broad, tasteless action movies with the exception of 300 and watchmen
>>70631246
no fucking comparison
at all
>>70631293
I didn't know they had made another movie based on /tv/'s posts
>>70631404
>>70631372
>>70631293
Let me see if I can sum it up a little better.
The less successful guy refuses to compromise on his vision and is generally looked down on, even ridiculed for championing a style that's just as serviceable and arguably even more aesthetically pleasing than his classmate and rival who takes zero chances and is praised for what is essentially his mediocrity by "arteurs" and critics disguising their own mediocrity through worshiping at the altar of "tradition."
>>70631792
So what you're saying is that this guy who nobody likes is not out of touch with reality, it's literally everyone else who is wrong?
Nice fantasy, I guess. Probably makes people like Snyder feel like they're Galileo before the inquisition or some shit.
>>70631840
Eppur si muove
>>70628869
>Turkish Airlines
best part of the movie desu
>>70632152
si monumentum requiris circumspice....
>>70625379
ultimate cut mate
>>70616339
>people unironically defend RT after this
So once the dvd is released will the bvs posting finally end?
>>70633975
It will only just begin
>>70615525
Absolutely loved the film. The best comic film out right now.
>>70633975
lol no
There will be more discussion than ever.
>30 more minutes of kino
>Screenshots every where
>Special Features
This train AINT STOPPIN NOW
>>70633975
short answer, no
there'll absolutely be more arguing between people sympathetic to clark's part in the story and those who hate him. the people sympathetic to him will have way more fuel
there'll be more posting about different parallelisms and the contrast between different characters
there will be a little talk about some of the supposed small plot changes and the information added. some information already implies huge changes but that doesn't really matter here.
there might be a little more to add as far as the symbolism and pottery, i'm sorry anon
and even yet there's still hasn't been a complete dissection about the meanings of the movie and the total big picture in conjunction with all the little pieces
the images posted now are only just a compilation of the references and allusions and symbolism. even now it's not 100% percent complete. again, i apologize for any grief
and of course various posts that are tribal with the lunch time food fight we are all familiar with by now
>>70618599
Christ, I never even noticed the bat shape of the oncoming storm cloud. Such subtle visual metaphors... I need to go rewatch.
>>70623141
>talking about movies on /tv/
>shilling
[increasingly nervous MCUck]
>>70615525
It clicked during the opening scene.
>>70634304
>Special Features
I'm almost as excited for this as I am the movie itself. MoS's special features had a good little bit of world-building already, I'm hoping for even more from BvS,
>>70615525
when old women reviewing it were whining about testosterone - and numales were acting like it's triumph of the will and a ayn rand gym ad instead of some ok movie with grotesque flaws. Meanwhile ultron had 77% or something, and star wars and road fury are treated like genious works of art
i wasnt going to see it becaue the trailer looked terrible, but when the culture class acted so disproportionally against it i gave it a chance
the fat nerd offended by the workout montage was the best tho
>>70626656
Film isn't art
>>70616770
Critics at least get paid for their shitty opinions, you do it for free
>>70637642
Decades of scholarship, destroyed by one summerfag memer. We'll have to start over I suppose.
>>70615525
Stay strong brother!
>>70615525
Keep trying, my friend.
>>70616273
Seems kind of pointless to count Iron Man 3 considering everything in that movie ended up not mattering in following movies. Same with Thor 2 and 3. The Incredible Hulk was also ret-conned.
I'd say IM1, IM2, Thor 1, Captain America 1, Avengers, Captain America 2, AoU and Civil War are the only ones to be truly part of one coherent narrative. Ant-Man is debateable but considering his role in Civil War is basically Team Cap's spiderman I'd say his movie shouldn't be included.
>>70638552
>The Incredible Hulk was also ret-conned.
Explain how
>>70638530
To think, five days later that anon lost his marbles
>>70637763
Certain films are art, others are not. Just like every other medium, including video games and Anime as much as you hate it.
>>70616273
How to do it marvel style: everything that happens in one movie is inconsequential to the next and also they are all the same
There you go, you got the transformers audience and the pixar critics
>>70615525
They dont have to be wrong, its all up to you if you care at all.
Also Batman v superman imo was okay but plot wise terrible. Lois knowing that clark needs the spear, batman losing it when superman says martha and lex being shit compared to the comics.
>>70615525
I saw the film before the majority of critics so I was in the camp that called it shit and then had critics validate our opinions afterwards.
>>70638701
You're confusing what is and isn't art for what has or doesn't have artistic value. Everything is art. Artistic value, while harder to define, can zero, and is in most cases.
>>70637012
>I am a reactionary
>>70616273
>cinematic universe
>phases
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>>70615525
A few years ago when I watched MoS in IMAX.
Only the finest kino is to be expected when based Snyder is involved.
>>70637012
>road fury treated like genious works of art
because it is
>>70638701
>Certain films are art, others are not.
You sound like a /v/edditor
Art stands for itself, there is good art, there is bad art, the term doesn't define quality.
>>70641001
no, it was a decent movie with a big name slapped on it.
I suspected when I saw Dawn of the Dead 12 years ago.
I was pretty certain when I saw Sucker Punch - it's a matter of record that this film was wildly underestimated. Go and look at the reviews. Nearly everyone let it sail right over their heads because "muh actresses dressed by a pedo."
I lost faith watching Man of Steel. Still not a great fan of it as a film overall. But it's good and has a hell of a lot to enjoy.
I KNEW during the opening. I think the exact second was when Bruce Wayne is driving into Metropolis and the camera lingers on the rear wheels of his car locking for a second. It's brilliant action, razor sharp, and fresh as a fucking daisy.
What interests me is that very few people - even on this board - see BvS as Snyder making Watchmen. It's Doc Manhattan vs Rorshach. There are dozens of clever callbacks - across films, and it is thematically deep and consistent for it's run time. I think it's a fucking great film.
Of course the film has it's flaws. Snyder has his flaws. But Hollywood has it's flaws. There is a modest overabundance of action. That's the worst thing I can say about it.
>>70641119
I agree. It was a solid action flick very much in the spirit of the franchise. I was expecting badass stunts, badass explosions, badass cars, a badass OST, and a minimalist plot, and that's exactly what I got.
Decent, definitely above average, but not what I'd consider great.
>>70616339
Fuck Flick Filosopher, I get all my opinions from Kino Kartographer.
>>70641331
>It's Doc Manhattan vs Rorschach.
I agree that it's definitely echoic of Watchmen, but their personalities are subtly different, especially Clark's. He's Osterman if Osterman still saw the world as a human. Clark still cares, and it's the humanity in him and the choices that he makes that reawaken Bruce's "Kovacs" from the "Rorschach" obsessions of the Bat.
>>70641331
BvS is Watchmen with a more optimistic outcome
>>70641847
In a way, I look at the crests and valleys of MoS and BvS as the "stumbles and falls" on the way to humanity's place in the sun in terms of the DCEU. It's like saying that this amount of struggle, sacrifice, and perseverance, this is what it takes to elevate our cynical world to the world of the comics. You need the darkness to perceive the light, else you'd never notice it at all.
>>70618735
4 u
>>70616281
You mean Watchmen: Ultimate Cut which incorporates the Black Freighter material as well for maximum kino? But why stop there? I think 300 and Sucker Punch should be part of your quest. I wish you good luck!
>>70640895
Amen, brother
>>70641331
>very few people - even on this board - see BvS as Snyder making Watchmen. It's Doc Manhattan vs Rorshach.
If I wanted Watchmen I'd watch Watchmen. Don't tell me you're giving me something then give me something else instead. Or in terms Kinobros will understand
>Don't piss in a jar and tell me its Granny's Peach Tea.
I wanted movie about Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman. If all Snyder can do is crib his own characterizations of other characters he's already put on screen, it doesn't make him an auteur. It makes him a talentless autist who can only portray characters within the unsophisticated archetypes he has built within his own mind that every actual character is simplified down to fit the mold of.
>>70646289
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. But this is the internet, so anyone can say anything I suppose.
when the dumb critics didnt pick up on the comic symbolism
>>70616118
Damn generous scores for Iron Man 3 imo
Otherwise I generally agree. I'd have put Ant-Man above the first Iron Man, but Iron Man's score really reflects back when the Marvel movies were very fresh
>>70618599
Why does he make the woman reach out to him and beg to be saved?
>>70641847
>BvS is Watchmen with a more optimistic outcome
Yeah, for sure. It definitely is Watchmen. I'm not a fan of Watchmen. As drama it's his least satisfying film. The source was the straitjacket and the madman. They cancelled each other out.
BvS is Watchmen. It has all the qualities and themes. It even has the two main characters. I think that was accidental / inevitable and intentional.
They were right... right?
post yfw the ultimate cut is even better and elevate this filmovie to the pantheon of cinematography
>>70615633
then leave
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>>70618735
You're not a big guy. You were never even for me.
>>70647683
She's not reaching out to be saved. She's reaching out in worship.
Ask yourself: would she have reached out like that to a helicopter? I don't think so. You might wave to it to get its attention, but you wouldn't just reach out like that.
>>70615525
At this point the people who deny this are simply bitter or haven't seen it.
>>70626021
>has no lapses in logic that need to be explained by assuming things that aren't stated or shown
....and this is you living a life with no art in it. With that line you betrayed utterly your neediness and insecurity.
>>70641847
bvs is the opposite of watchmen. it starts in a cynical world and ends in a hopeful note. literally.
it's somewhat cynical of its heroes but despite their failings they succeed
no one is glorified in bvs, yet clark does get i forgot the word divine approval for his actions at the end.
>>70641768
>I agree that it's definitely echoic of Watchmen, but their personalities are subtly different, especially Clark's. He's Osterman if Osterman still saw the world as a human. Clark still cares, and it's the humanity in him and the choices that he makes that reawaken Bruce's "Kovacs" from the "Rorschach" obsessions of the Bat.
Yep, this is all true. In terms of drama, if you boil it down to the bones, Watchmen's plot is Rorshachs hunt for the mask killer, failing at Jon's hand. The rest is (sublime and nearly infinite) detail.
I really think Watchmen the movie was clearly a dramatic failure, and that BvS wrestles a great deal of the comics substance onto film, finally, in a way that has escaped everyone for three decades of... well... capeshit.
