How do we fix the horror genre?
Give Fukunaga full creative freedom and a 50 million dollar budget.
We make them about real life instead, nothing scarier than some of the shit we have to go through.
You Can't
>>70586578
Those are called Dramas, dumbass.
Remove Jumpscare
Reinstate actual writing
>>70586481
I think you know the answer anon.
Less gimmicks and jumpscares
It's impossible to fix because horror fans are the biggest plebs on the planet. If you actually make a good horror film, nobody wants to see it because normies think all horror is garbage, and horror fans don't like good movies.
Remove necrophiliacs
>>70586481
So will that game ever be released? I remember it was put on the burner for some shit reason and I was disappointed, since it looked like it was going to be amazing.
>>70586634
Well then problem solved.
>silent hills never
It still hurts
>>70586992
Quite literally never EVER since Konami gave Kojima the boot.
No more kids.
No more jump scares.
No excess gore and violence.
No laying everything out from the get go.
Good stories withhold information and reveal it gradually. We need eerie/scary situations, effects, forces that begin exerting influence but are not completely understood until later if completely at all. Mystery is a powerful tool for horror.
>>70586522
I like him. Does he want to make a horror movie?
that's a question i've pondered upon for a very long time, but goddamn it, pt was a masterpiece of horror. it did everything right and i have no idea how it was pulled off so flawlessly
it and rule of rose, while absolutely garbage video games, are incredibly effective horror, and the themes and narrative execution in both should be looked at much more closely
>>70586863
>>70586837
>>70586802
All of this. I think all of the hate The Witch gets is an example of how pleb horror fans are. Hell, I saw a thread on here the other day about someone thinking Rosemary's Baby is boring.
Top 5 (American) Horror Films based on writing:
>Rosemary's Baby
>The Omen
>The Exorcist
>The Witch
>American Werewolf in London
>>70586863
This. It's inherently a shit genre.
Just wait til Friday and all will be right again.
Get rid of the PG-13 rating
Make it actually scary. Scary movies are more like comedies now.
>>70587070
https://web.archive.org/web/20160605073121/http://www.thewrap.com/cary-fukunaga-out-as-director-of-stephen-kings-it-at-new-line-exclusive/
Yes but the jews fucked him.
>>70587084
>pt was a masterpiece of horror
It's literally just a haunted house simulator. Its scariness is no less cheap than every other horror game.
get atmosphere right
less jumpscares
more subtlety
better storytelling
original ideas
we should jhold horror movies to a standard just as we judge any movie but all these paranormal activity ripoff movies are all horrible as shit but make millions
Out with jumpscares
In with psychological mindfucks
Pic related.
>>70587321
Just because it's less offensive than BOOOO! doesn't mean it isn't just a lame jumpscare.
>>70587461
That scene isn't a jump scare though.
>>70587206
it's not so much about the scares themselves in pt, but it's about how well they were executed
the shot there in the op is easily missed if you're not an observant type, for example. it makes you wonder if she had been watching you the entire time in every other place you hadn't bothered to look, and it gives the viewer a sense of dread/the player a sense of urgency
not to mention the 208463 thing. technological-based fear is really underutilized, i guess because it comes across as hokey if you use it wrong, but it has a ton of potential
>>70587702
>208463
The fucking voice repeating that shit was probably one of the scariest things of P.T for me.
>>70586578
I'm still floored that there hasn't been a film about the Original Night Stalker. He was incredibly lucky to not get caught or slip-up despite a couple of near misses.
>>70587069
THIS
I grew up on USA's Saturday Nightmares. Modern horror really lacks the air of the unknown compared to 70's and 80's films.
You know what would be a great spin on the whole meta craze over horror flicks? Said victims are intelligent and reasonable people; they do everything they're supposed to but it doesn't matter because they're STILL gonna get murdered, possessed, or whatever. And the antagonist is just as Genre Savvy so it's a battle of who can out-maneuver whom in a game of attrition.
When you do supernatural-themed horror, actually make the viewers uncomfortable at the thought of witnessing what the characters are about to face. The Gate is probably the best example of what I'm describing. The film really fucked with your mind and despite the fact that it was in a nice upscale neighborhood, it didn't mean jackshit. Show that even in the bright and sunny confines with a lot of people doesn't mean it's safe and comfy.
Treat the horror themes and motifs as if they were artwork and how they reflect on the cast. The Beyond did a great job incorporating paintings with its plot. That ending still haunts me to this day.
I really wish someone could emulate 70's giallo like Suspiria today. It's precisely the sort of film that would make younger audiences appreciate horror again.
Remember Are You Afraid of the Dark? That show had episodes that creeped the fuck out of me despite only being PG-rated. It had good atmosphere and its script made sure that you didn't need fancy effects and/or gore to make a spine-tingling sensation.
>>70587915
Any 90's kids here?
I grew up reading those Point Horror books. Quite a few of them could be successfully adapted into an anthology or film. Is it just me or are kids today pussies compared to 80's and 90's counterparts?
>complete focus and practical effects
>no cheap jump scares, cheesy music / sound effects
>intelligent characters that the audience gets emotionally invested in
>interesting plot twists, a story that isn't nonsense
>playing on real fears and anxieties rather than just making the content as edgy and over the top as possible
>interesting settings rather than cheaping out with the suburban haunted house
>>70586522
>Give Fukunaga full creative freedom and a 50 million dollar budget
>50 million budget
>For a horror movie
Name one horror movie with a large budget that is a genre classic.
Additionally, half the reason so many horrors get made is because they can be made and still be successful with low budgets.
You're dumb.
>>70588067
>playing on real fears and anxieties
I know I'm not the only one who dreads going down to the basement with the lights off.
>>70588037
>kids today pussies
Blame society
>>70586915
>remove necrophiliacs
Are you gay?
>>70586582
Why does ghostface look like a melted sex doll. Also reminded myself of Afro Samurai
>>70586481
More gothfus.
>>70587915
>emulate 70's giallo
that would be "amer" and "the strange color of your body's tears". and arguably "the house of the devil"
you made a great point about children's horror though. laika is perfectly capable of creating these insanely tense and scary moments. other mother's last chase with coraline, particularly with the encroaching door, is great film. and the entire design of the ghost girl who's name i forget in paranorman is tops
if someone had half a mind to let laika get away with an r-rated film, you'd probably get some of the best scares in the genre
>>70587752
it was the screen and the silence that came after that sealed the deal for me, holy fuck
>>70587133
This.
Also, fuck "found footage" movies and the like. The Paranormal Activity movies were awful.
>>70588067
>characters that the audience gets emotionally invested in
Hell yes. One of the reasons that the horror was so effective in the end of Bone Tomahawk was that I was scared I'd have to see characters that I'd grown to love go through horrific tortures. Much more effective than torture porn done to random fuckers you can't give a shit about like in Saw or Hostel.
>>70588067
>complete focus and practical effects
that's how we got the evil dead remake, which was so fuckingfun
>>70588077
adam wingard's first film was put together with spit, floss and a tin can, and it was probably one of the most intriguing horror films out there
Stop trying to be scary and just try to be interesting and weird
>>70588182
Ever see Lady in White? It's a ghost story for kids and it genuinely has some eerie moments despite being non-violent and actually has a compelling story.
Laika is a company that can truly push the boundaries with animation, but they'll never do films for adults.
>>70587461
Have you seen the movie?
>>70588175
>implying You're Next is a horror movie
>plebs still think jumpscares are bad
NO
>>70588175
I actually enjoyed You're Next. The killers were intelligent (like the cell jammer) yet they could fuck up and get caught with their pants down.
Had they gotten away with the murders, it would've been treated like the Keddie murders. There's a fuckton of cold cases and unsolved mysteries that would be high-octane nightmarefuel if someone took influence from it.
Shit, this even reminds me of that show Unsolved Mysteries. That one story about the woman being stalked and getting letters which were dismissed as a hoax...and then her corpse found with her hands tied behind her back was unsettling. Either she did it herself for attention/mental issues or there WAS a stalker who murdered her.
>>70588318
i haven't, actually
i'd love to see more animation in horror, to be honest. when it comes to surreality and approaching the unknown, that's a medium that's perfectly suited, because anything could happen
even with the proportional realism of pt, the concepts in it aren't 100% suited to using real actors and interspersing it with cg and whatnot. it wouldn't have been nearly as effective
>>70588463
few people think they're outright bad. they are extremely cheap though
>>70588281
>adam wingard's first film was put together with spit, floss and a tin can, and it was probably one of the most intriguing horror films out there
That's what I'm suggesting. The best horrors don't use big budgets. They use an interesting premise, the fear of the unknown and subconsciously link the fear to an issue or hysteria experience en masse by current society.
>>70588463
Jumpscares aren't bad when the entire movie or game revolves around it, it stops being scary. It's not scary when there's no drama or suspense behind it whatsoever and it's just a weird looking shit popping up out of nowhere.
>>70586481
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD_4AYx74L4
by emulating the standards set by this
>>70588312
How can a movie be so creepy and comfy at the same time?
We kill it. We've gotten to the point where garbage like Babadook and Descent are considered to be good horror movies. The genre is beyond salvation.
Alternatively, we clone Cronenberg, Lynch and Carpenter thousand times and put the clones in charge of all Western horror movie creation.
>>70588641
It tricks you with the comfort and beauty of the hotel yet its isolation, the breakdown of the family due to Jack's inner demons, and the supernatural forces at work are a perfect combination.
>>70588671
>Cronenburg
this generation needs a new cronenburg
seriously
>>70588709
He didn't even type that
>>70588132
You know, I'd love to see a slasher flick where a psycho from the 80's deals with contemporary teens. Say the 80's survivors managed to put said killer in a coma or something and they awake in the 2010's.
I don't think modern kids are as resourceful or can think on their feet like previous generations. They depend too much on their smartphones and the Internet.
>>70588580
splatterfests should be rightfully big-budgeted. the evil dead remake is a good example of that. practical effects are super important there and good ones are definitely not cheap.
it's going to be seen as a cheap tactic soon enough, i think, but 4k cameras are very effective in horror. the surreality of the end of the witch and a ton of scenes in antichrist were shot in high fps, and it forced the scenes to become strange and unappealing to look at to the audience
>>70588671
i can not understand the love for the descent, i don't fucking get it
>>70588598
meant to put a period after "Jumpscares aren't bad"
>>70588843
I can understand why people outside of /tv/ fellate it (namely, "muh female protagonists", apparently that's enough to praise any mediocre trash to heaven nowadays, see The Force Awakens and Jessica Jones) but why /tv/ does I have no idea.
>>70588814
They would be killed while all looking at their phones.
>>70588843
>splatterfests should be rightfully big-budgeted. the evil dead remake is a good example of that. practical effects are super important there and good ones are definitely not cheap.
Still only cost $17 million.
Make movies that are actually scary?
Like pic related and The Babadook
Also
>Thinking that mainstream horror can be fixed
>Not watching awesome indie horror films
>>70589003
>The Babadook
>scary
Top bait.
>>70588981
Exactly my point.
My kid sister (19) watched some of the Friday the 13ths a while back and commented that pre-cellphones, people were really isolated if the phone lines were down and if there was no radio. She said she couldn't even imagine what to do without social networking and her iPhone.
>>70589003
I liked how It Follows emulated neo-80's and was pretty creepy in the first half, but the second half was terrible.
>>70588984
c'mon, you and i both know the difference between big and hollywood small
the aforementioned pop skull was made for $2,000
thanatomorphose, another practical effects-based film, was made for ~$40,000, so $17 million is light years away in comparison
>>70588213
>Pic related
>The Blair Witch Project
>The Last Exorcism
>Alien Abduction
>The Houses October Built
>The Bay
>Grave Encounters
There's plenty of good found footage movies. The problem is when they take scripts for shitty teen horror movies and decide to make them found footage movies to save money.
>>70587018
Do you at least still have the playable trailer? Its pretty fucking awesome.
>>70588814
>>70588981
Hey I'm in the process of making a short film about this!
The movie starts with a generic summer-camp slasher movie ending by the survivors trapping the demon serial killer into a "Frozen Prune Custard" machine, which nobody touched for over 25 years. Then a kid reaches for it, while looking at his phone, thinking it's normal custard and what he pours out transforms itself into the serial killer, still thinking it's the 80s.
It's a lot of fun.
>>70587102
I think part of the problem is modern cinema is going to shit. It's hard to build suspense and atmosphere when you're jumpcutting every 3 seconds to keep the adhd-riddled audience focused.
>>70588950
the only thing i could think of is that maybe claustrophobia is still strangely underutilized in horror
that's the same reason why there were quiet rumblings about as above so below
>>70589104
[rec] is another film that got way, way too much credit
>>70589136
If you're serious, you should post the end result here.
We don't.
Horror fans love shit and take it happily. I'm one of them.
Look at the "best" ones, they're mostly from before the 90s and cheesy as fuck and are most all supernatural. People hate well done horror.
>>70589104
>The Blair Witch Project
Why do people think that?
It's actually one of the most boring movies out there.
Yeah, sure it was the film that defined the found footage genre and took advantage of it's novelty by pretending the actors were dead, playing it of as an actul documentary in the (I think) the discovery channel and whatnot.
But look beyond that and it's a terrible, boring movie that's a chore to look at.
>>70588623
Speaking of which, I'm a huge fan of the original Child's Play and Child's Play 2. The alternate ending for Part 2 which was only shown on USA Network and the Sci-Fi Channel gave us this glimpse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5u37V1dN_Q
Apparently, they wanted the 3rd movie to have multiple Chucky's unleashed since his remains were mixed in that huge vat and reprocessed. However, the idea got nixed because they felt the curse only applies to 1 doll instead of a legion of them.
Has anyone ever done this before? A horror film that involves a whole line of dolls that come to life and terrorize people?
Kojima and Del Taco are hacks. I'm glad Silent Hills was cancelled. I can't wait for his company to release their first game so I can watch him crash and burn now that he's gone full preqauel era George Lucas with no one to tell him "no."
>>70587102
there is literally no reason for the witch to be on that list with those classics. it's a good movie but it's not *that* good
>>70587066
Can't Kojima make the game without Konami?
I mean, I know it can't be called Silent Hill, but Kojima could make his own Horror game with his studio.
>>70589219
the "so bad it's good" thing with horror seriously needs to stop
teeth and gingerdead man are the only two under that tag that deserve to exist
>>70589301
pretty sure that would require a complete rewrite and overhaul of the project, especially for monster design. silent hill has pretty iconic monster design that would become an ip suit in a heartbeat if kojima went forward without any major change
>>70588077
The Ring (2002)
Dir: Gore Verbinski
Budget: $43 million
Box Office: $249.3 million
>>70589377
Yeah, it's a bummer. Then again, he can't make MGS anymore, so if he needs to start something new, might as well work on this.
>>70588463
The 'cheap' ones are usually more bad than good.
>>70588162
its based on the classic paint The Scream
>>70589377
Silent Hill monsters all look like shit anyway, so that would be for the better.
>>70586992
Konami killed kojima
I honestly believe horror is more at home with video games than movies
![I@054485_L[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/GGfYFgS.jpg "I@054485_L[1].jpg")
>>70589255
>A horror film that involves a whole line of dolls that come to life and terrorize people?
A Small Soldiers horror film? mite b cool
I can think a few that had multiple dolls (Dolls, Puppet Master, Demonic Toys) but not really any where the whole line of toys is possessed or whatever (Like Halloween III with the masks)
>>70588814
Have you watched Behind The Mask: The Rise Leslie Vernon? It touches on that idea.
>>70587018
I didn't really care until I heard it wasn't just Kojima and Del Taco but Junji Ito was a part of the project as well.
That's absolutely fucked, that takes it from being unfortunate to being a terrible, salted, lemon wound.
>>70589255
>>70589490
>chucky + halloween lll
>>70589255
I recall maybe a made for TV movie that came out in the early 80's about this kid who had this huge collection of army dudes, and they ended up coming to life and killing his evil stepdad. It was called something like DARKROOM or BLACKOUT or something.
>>70589477
i'll never deny that. it's been that way since the first one, and none of the games themselves were any good horror-wise until pt
del toro, on the other hand, is very good at monster design and has an odd knack for making violence come across viscerally
>>70589520
this, too
the loss of ito working in an animated medium in any form is a damn shame
>>70588626
Are you joking or are you serious? The goat was the only decent actor in the whole movie.
>>70589590
>Ito
>not a talentless hack
>>70589490
Something like that except these aren't action figures so much as the My Buddy and Kid Sister dolls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j2xEwEHbrE
The dolls want to take possession of kids by swapping bodies. The dolls are actually inhabited by the souls of old dead people or terminally ill ones that want another chance in life.
>>70589391
Verbinski loves to drain the fuck out of budgets, that movie probably started at 20 million
>>70587228
You're describing The Witch right now, senpai. Although a lot of it was borrowed from folklore and shit, so I guess it wasn't entirely original.
>>70588037
Scary Stories series was my jam.
A wave of pure anger and rage hit me when I saw they butchered the original illustrations in the newer editions.
>>70588598
>Jumpscares aren't bad. When the entire movie or game revolves around it, it stops being scary.
Game-wise, this is exactly why shit like Dead Space stops being scary fast. A scary shambling horror leaping out of a vent or jumping up after pretending to be dead is a bit spooky.
A scary shambling horror leaping out of a vent or jumping up after pretending to be dead 15 times in 10 minutes makes it get predictable real fast.
>>70589003
Part of what helps It Follows be spooky(havent seen Babadook so cant say) is that the monster can be tied into a real, actual fear. ie, STDs.
>>70586481
Well, I'd say just make something (Seemingly real). Just try to portray events that would/could happen in a realistic manner, and if the audience gets scared or unsettled, you've incidentally achieved your goal.
>"Protagonist" survives the events, while ending it in an overly extravagant way.
>>70589215
I often hear it's because the monsters are creepy, but I just don't see it.
They're generic as hell from their looks to movements and sounds they make.
>>70589571
I wrote a script for Chucky vs The Leprechaun
>>70589089
I feel like you're confused. I'm suggesting that even the big budget you listed is still small. This all goes back to my original argument that no horror movie needs anywhere near $50 million budget.
>>70589775
$500 toilet seats type drain or blow-out on extra shots drain?
>>70590471
I'd probably watch that.
Anyone seen pic related yet? The same guy who did Oculus and Hush. Has a few tense moments. Suffers from a touch of that 3rd act slump like everything else these days.
>>70589775
>Verbinski loves to drain the fuck out of budgets, that movie probably started at 20 million
That's for sure. He's lucky POTC is so successful otherwise there's no way he would get so much leeway on him constantly going over budget.
>>70590629
Hush was meh, Oculus was pretty good. I don't have high expectations
>>70586481
>How do we fix the horror genre?
You don't. Horror is shit.
You can't fix what has always been broken.
>>70590506
a lot of films don't "need" much of a budget at all
i was saying, in comparison to $40,000, $17 million is a huge leap. in terms of actual money spent, it is a lot of money for a single product. while it may seem like it, hollywood doesn't operate with monopoly money
I think the problem with most horror films are not only the content but filmmakers wanting to make it a feature length film of 2 hours or so. WHen you try and stretch horror films out for so long (there are only a few examples of it being done right) pacing starts to suffer. By making a horror film as scary as possible around 1h 15m there could be a different style of writing making things faster. I also think that making characters too human and explaining things too much ruins the fear factor of the film. Over abundance of gore makes the film unrealistic and jump scares get predictable after a while. PG-13 titles are also too restricted in what they can show and writers try to pander to little shitters (jocks and dumb bitches as main characters).
What I would do is write a limited theater release of a film that is rated NC-17 and is only showed once per night at the last showing. The characters should be plunged into disarray from the get go instead of leading the audience into a lull early on with sudo story like they put into pornos. There should only be a handful of characters maximum with human interaction being very limited with little to no dialogue, you want your audience to be truly immersed into the film. No found footage shit like Blair Witch but something with great design of monsters. Being vague about things is the best thing for a horror film.
Horror movies don't really spook me. The spookiest movie I've seen would probably be Jacob's Ladder.
I played until dawn a few days ago, that shit is spooky.
>>70591599
>I played until dawn a few days ago, that shit is spooky.
HAHAHAHAHA
>>70586481
ban americans from making them.
"man how to i make movie scary?"
>oh i'll just have a butch of screamers and a crazy guy running around stabbing people!}
asian horror is best
>>70591580
>Being vague about things is the best thing for a horror film.
that and the entire second paragraph in general is why lynch is the greatest horror director ever, and he's not even a horror director. he manages to capture that "theater empty, you and the movie, welcome to this new world" confusion nearly perfectly, and instantly successful upon even his earliest short films. he capitalizes on the vagueness of motivation and emotion, which is what gives them the ethereal "dream" feeling, which I believe is inherently terrifying.
but you are onto something, and i completely agree. shame it'll probably never come to fruition.
![CHRISTINE-4[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/a8ZkgpH.jpg "CHRISTINE-4[1].jpg")
>>70591580
>writers try to pander to little shitters (jocks and dumb bitches as main characters)
Rid the world of shitters
>>70591580
Speaking of dumb bitches, why are they still trying to make them protagonists?
The only remotely scary movies with a dumb bitch as a protagonist were the original Halloween, Black Christmas and first TCM.
>>70589435
>>70586481
The real shame is that the Fox Engine is going to go to complete waste now, this shit looks amazing.
>>70589104
>Grave Encounters
you gotta be fucking retarded
>>70589003
both fucking terrible horror movies. fucking Oculus was better than them
>>70591677
>build car and collect normie scalps
>watch horror movie
>it's actually a faux-snuff flick
Anon who wrote this here >>70591580
>>70591673
Lynch is my all time favorite horror director, you have great taste.
>>70591733
because they are following an 80s template which worked for a while but not anymore since it's over used. Another reason why because it's easier to trick younger audiences to seeing your shit film then grown adults, so the money is with PG-13.
>>70591845
The original Maniac movies is down right underrated. Best serial killer portrayal I've seen. Joe Spinell looks creepy as fuck
>>70588598
This is what made The Conjuring good. It was filled with jumpscares and it took a good bit of time before you really started seeing them. Like when we first see the witch. It was expected it would the kid being retarded but you actually see this damn ghost and the plot evolves from that.
>>70590471
Me too. Still bummed it'll never happen.
>>70591580
>great design of monsters
No such thing. Monsters are inherently silly.
We should combine the Thing with Lord of the flies, having a group of children and one of them being "The Thing."
A certain scene could be they can't rationalize well and kill a character by accident, thinking he was the thing.
>>70589807
the witch had no story tho, nice kino, but rally lacking in substance
>>70592330
thats a cool idea
I think a big part of improving the genre is to either make the monsters cooler like the blob or thing or alien or make the bad guy more interesting in some way
the horror antagonists these days are boring and two dimensional
>>70592498
>these days
More like always.
>>70588213
the first one was good. Micah was an unrealistic retard, though
>>70592368
how so? I thought the story was good and I enjoyed the simplicity of it, it allowed the characters to develop
>>70588077
This. Some of the bed horror movies are low budget as fuck. What the fuck do you need for a budget in a horror movie fucking any way?
If you even begin to think CGI you need to stop. CGI has no place in horror.
>>70586481
By actually writing a good plot
>family moves to a new house, and then...
FUCKING STOP THIS SHIT
>>70592525
well maybe so but whatever
>>70592613
I could see it was well made, but for me it was too reminiscent of Shining, the ending was tight tho.
>>70589232
If you think Blair witch is shit your opinion is trash. Please list your horror favs so I can shit down your neck.
>>70592778
we should just have a weekly horror cliche thread
>scene with a bathroom mirror where they set up the jump scare but don't do it
fuck all that
>>70592781
I was really into the fact that it was a real, tangible paranormal threat from the get-go in addition to family paranoia building as opposed to the Shining where you weren't really sure if the dad was just crazy or if the hotel was possessing him
>>70589232
Blair witch is one of the GOATs
Horror Kino:
The exorcist
The shining
The Blair witch project (to a lesser degree)
That's pretty much fucking it famalam.
>>70592798
You had to be there back when it was new or in a similar mood, you are NOT gonna get the same effect after a decade of imitators and watching it on an 8 inch tablet while shitposting on 4chan like most kids do.
I loved it back then, I saw it again recently and it just irritated me now that I'm an old crusty cynic,
>>70592944
if you sit down and pay attention to the movie it's amazing. The only people I know that thought it sucked are ADD teenagers, and didn't even get the 'standing in the corner' thing at the end because they didn't pay attention to any of the interviewed villagers at the beginning.
>>70592900
Exorcist and Shining are kinda funny to me though, and Blair Witch sucks.
>>70592900
I'll add alien to this list.
>>70593052
That basically means your opinion about horror means jack shit.
>>70589136
>magical custard machine
That sounds like three-day old dogshit. Genuine horror doesn't include camp.
>>70592900
The only good "horror" movie is Eraserhead.
>>70593088
>goofy things aren't scary
>y-you just don't get it!
Okay.
>>70589255
>Has anyone ever done this before? A horror film that involves a whole line of dolls that come to life and terrorize people?
Puppet Master
>>70593209
You really don't, though. If you think either of those movies are goofy, then your perspective is an anomaly, and certainly not worth anything amongst horror fans.
>>70593249
Okay anon.
>>70593249
>not worth anything amongst horror fans
Granted that horrorfags are idiots with shit taste, that's a compliment.
>>70593291
>horrorfags
>shit taste
I hope you don't speak like a meming retard in real life, but I'd be a fool to put it past you.
>>70592330
That's literally how Simon dies in Lord of the Flies: they mistake him for the "beast" while they're in the middle of their ritualistic kill dance.
>>70586582
>dreamworks face mask
>>70593421
Still better than the original.
Wes Craven never made a good movie.
>>70593358
>horrorfag gets upset by the truth so much, he attacks the wording
Hilarious.
>>70593477
Not sure what that means. I like all genres, but it's no secret horror is a historically insubstantial one.
Again, you really should work on your mindset if you want to be taken seriously.
>>70593291
You still haven't listed your favs there buddinski. Unless you are just a contrarian cunt trolling for lels that actually has no opinion on anything that you cant put to a meme.
>no sci fi horror in this whole thread
The Objective
Sunshine
Aliens
Fire in the Sky
This scene scared the fuck out of me when I was a kid. Its still one of the scariest things I have ever seen to this day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsjhdoWKtXM
Unpopular opinion incoming:Hannibal is one of the best pieces of horror we have as of 2010's. Not that it's saying much because most post-2010s movies suck
>>70593510
But nobody takes you seriously either.
How to fix horror:
Web horror series anthologies on Amazon, 1hr episodes, unrated and uncensored.
Bring back cheese horror schlock in the theaters that's legitimately funny and incredible with special effects/practical effects. Go all the way anti-PC with it.
No more breaking the fourth wall or winks to the audience. Fuck that Joss Whedon horse shit.
More nudity.
No more origins or reboots.
>>70593534
>either
Glad to see you've at least acknowledge you're a shitstain in a world full of whirling toilets.
Your argument is false, however.
>>70593533
I don't see how that's an unpopular opinion, but I do believe it to be true. I'm honestly amazed NBC even allowed that show to go on air.
You can't
It's similar to why horror in video games is dead, it's so expensive to make movies , youd obliged to put the money on the screen at the sacrifice of pacing
>>70593510
>insubstantial
That's a funny way to spell "worthless excuse for movies only good for money laundering".
Horror as a genre should just die. It never produced anything of actual quality, yes that includes even so-called "horror masterpieces". Even trash like Terminator would be above the best horror movies and that's dumb actionshit.
Also not the same anon.
>>70593554
But I'm not the guy you were talking to.
The last film that really got under my skin was, unsurprisingly, Under The Skin
Came for naked Johannson, stayed for amazing cinematography, the creepiest score I've heard in decades, and a couple of the most genuine 'oh jesus what the fuck' moments I've had watching a film in recent times. I think it's a legit masterpiece.When the second guy gets lured into the black harvesting pool, sees the other guy from earlier, reaches out to touch him but it's just his skin, and it whips through the water like cloth
That shot stayed with me
Z is for zygote is some creepy fucking shit. It's one of the short films in ABC of death 2.
>>70593601
You're entitled to your opinion.
>>70593607
Alrighty, then.
>>70591758
I was hype for lsd hallway walk simulator
>>70591758
yeah, shit looks almost photorealistic with those grainy filters
>>70593627
>expect a dumb cheesy slasher flick you can laugh your ass at
>get the best suspense you've seen in slasher movies since Halloween, truly frightening mentally unstable main villain and eerie atmosphere
I honestly would love a slasher movie this good made in modern days. Is there anything like it made in the last few years?
>>70593746
I assume you're talking about the original?
>>70587018
Honestly if Guillermo Del Toro ever got off his lazy Mexican arse and finished all his projects the horror genre wouldn't need saving
>>70593791
Yes.
The remake sucked.
>>70589003
literally
>>70587102
The thing about horror is different things stimulate different people. For me, The Witch is just a great movie. I don't even know if I'd call it "horror," but I think it's a better all-around movie than exorcist and the omen (I haven't seen Rosemary's baby or werewolf). The witch doesn't really have jump scares; I can admit that. And it's fine for someone to say they enjoy jumpscares; that doesn't automatically make someone a fool. The problem I have is when people say The Witch is straight up a bad movie. I honestly have to question whether anyone of that opinion has the ability to sit through and enjoy a 2 hour play.
>>70593526
That poor actor had to have that goo shit poured into his eye. Props to that dude
>>70592256
you have to go back to the source
hellraiser did it perfectly and should be an example of HOW to write horror narrative
The cenobites have one short scene don't show up again until the last 30 mins . they are not really evil (fuck the sequels retconing them into demons) they are some strange ass guys from another demimsion, what is normal and orgasmic to them is unfathomable pain to a normal human ,
The story focuses on the humans who are arguably more evil the monsters , and their evil actions are what being the cenobites out
>>70593627
Yeah I completely agree with Under the Skin. That exact scene gave me that whole "blood feels like ice" experience for a few seconds.
>>70592900
>implying Horror Hotel, Carnival of Souls, The House by the Cemetery aren't Horror Kino
>>70587102
SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO ME HOW ROSEMARYS BABY IS CONSIDERED A HORROR MOVIE
>>70589003
The babadook meme is coming back. Good lord
>>70592993
The movie sucks and the standing in the corner ending was the only redeemable part. Too much filler and bad acting
>>70593796
I think he's cursed.
>>70589630
This post is so fucking pointless I get the impression you have no idea who he is or anything he's made
>>70591758
Don't fucking remind me. Konami should at least licence the fucking thing.
>WHAT DO WE DO TO FIX X
you could say this to just about any genre now there's just been a general decline in quality
>>70588162
The original mask wasn't copywritable due to it already existing ad a mask, so they wanted to make money from mask sales.
>>70587018
They can pry it from my cold dead PS4.
>>70594411
>HURR YOU JUST DON'T KNOW HIM
Nice try, faggot. Not only anime and manga are not good for horror, Ito has never created anything of value. He's so much of a hack his dumb wife has to write endings for him.
>>70586481
>Zombie, Vampire, and Werewolf films all need to stop being action packed thrillers and be horror again
>We need to not allow children to be actors in horror genre films regardless of everything
>Stop letting japs and shit make horror films.
>Stop with jump scares
>>70587461
You're so fucking stupid. Why don't you kill yourself already.
>>70594599
I agree with you on all points except for the Jap horror. It's ok if you don't like it, but Jap horror is some of the best.
>>70593940
it's a genre label, dingus, not "shit only I find scary," you fucking millennial.
>>70586481
4chan can't "fix" anything
>>70588626
I shat my pants watching this
>>70586808
>>70594770
The profound truth of this website.
But we can keep trying lads. Who really knows.
Remove any kind of nonsense in place today. Normal horror simply isn't scary to anyone but children. Psychological horror is what's truly terrifying. Make the person reflect on themselves. Make them realize that they are the monster. Because that's the kind of horror you can never escape.
>>70594793
The growing boner in my pants prevented me from full immersion, bitch was too hawt.
>>70594770
We actually can and may will, the anonymity of the site prevents taking any credits afterwards tho, nobody wants to be publicly associated with 4chan.
>>70593441
>still better than original
lmao no, fuck you
>>70594829
>Psychological horror
>terrifying
It never is, unless you're an emo bitch.
>>70595008
.t jump scare fan
>>70595008
Only because you have a double digit IQ.
>>70595008
>cognitive revelation at the existential horror of living in a meaningless universe devoid of a loving & just god
>not terrifying
>>70595069
>if you disagree with me LE JUMP SCARES
Good to know you have no argument
>>70595008
.t literally a retarded faggot
>>70595008
colored corn syrup isn't scary either
>>70595094
See? Emo bitch bullshit.
>>70595088
Well, I guess that's more than the single digit IQ that allows you to enjoy psychological horror.
>>70595094
nice bunch of faggot words, queer
>>70595116
Stop talking to the mirror, faggot.
>>70595131
>another retarded assumption
Good to know that fans of psychological horror are completely retarded.
>>70595146
>not intelligent enough to understand psychological horror
>talking about IQ
kek
>>70587102
American Werewolf in London is a comedy.
>>70595155
>HURRR HURRRRRR HURRR? HURRR! HURRRRR HUR HUR HURRR. HURRRRRRRRRRRRR
>>70595191
>Y-YOU JUST DON'T GET IT TOO DEEP FOR YOU XD
kek
>>70589003
Trash.
You guys should be ashamed of this thread.
Can you not just talk about movies without making it a shit-flinging contest?
>>70595200
Trying a tad too hard there.
>>70595191
My theory is that introverts like psychological horror and extroverts prefer traditional horror.
>>70595240
>literally is too Deep for you
>y-yeah guys xD 2deep4me amrite
>>70595260
Fuck off.
>>70595314
>i-it's not a shit genre, it's just to deep for you
Keep trying.
>>70595260
>>70595260
threads have their rhythms, this is just the shitposting part
>>70589104
>Grave Encounters
There is nothing redeeming or good about that film/
>>70587018
>The literal, absolute dream of Kojima and Ito working on Silent Hill together
>Gone.
>>70593441
>better than the original
babby
>>70595429
The mask is.
The movie is as shit as the show.
>>70587102
The Fly >>>> all of them.
>>70595427
Good. Silent Hill was never anything but overrated garbage. Doubt Silent Hills would be any different
>b-but muh PT
Shit on par with something like The Conjuring.
>>70593853
Holy shit mang, I think you hit a core nerve.
>we evolved from sealife
>sea is dark and full of shit with teeth
>our generic heritage still reminds us of the biting darkness when we turn off the lights
>>70595569
indeed
I know some of you oldfags remember this
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYquKiVJAlE
Who authentic BW The Mist here?
>>70595611
The only thing I remember is a killer surgeon with a magical scalpel.
That reminds me, there's not enough medical horror movies and most of those we have are shit like Dentist.
>>70593853
>>70595604
These are a lot less freaky when you remember they're like 3 inches long.
>>70595569
>>70595604
But what would the actual movie be about?
it's like the best time for the horror genre with all the cheap random great ones coming out
studios fund likes 60 a year for pennies and like 5 or 6 of them are sweet and more are comfy
>>70594829
>Remove any kind of nonsense
But nonsense can be terrifying in the right hands.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxKPBLjHAEA
Start moving away from paranormal shit.
Use tension and atmosphere instead of jump scares.
If they did those two things horror would improve greatly, but they won't because shit like Conjuring 2 is projected to have a bigger opening than other movies this weekend (at least at the theater I work at it does).
>>70595819
Yeah, but you'd implode under that much pressure, and in the sea creatures can truly become gigantic.
>>70595824
LANDSHARK
>>70595912
The sea is scary without monsters too.
>>70595890
This may be an unpopular opinion, but I feel like there's not much wrong with paranormal shit other than it falling into the hands of hacks.
Just look at folklore of various nationalities, some of it is downright bone-chilling.
>>70595929
Totally a sound that shark makes.
>>70595952
das his biomech legs tho
why?
movies with actually scary scenes:
Don't Look Now - the end
Mulholland Dr. - the person behind the Diner
The Shining - the general uncanniness of some of the figures in the hotel
Kairo - that slow motion ghost woman
Burnt Offerings - the end
Blair Witch Project - the end
Pet Cemetary - the flashback scene with the sister
Carnival of Souls - pretty eerie the first time you see it
that's all I can recall for now. it's really hard to make a genuinely nightmarish scene that can have an effect on an adult.
>>70595824
Source material: Shadow Over Innsmouth
Basically, True Detectives meets boardwalk empire and the pod people, with photophobic fish monsters that can only come out at night time, or hide in shadows during day.
Some are more human than others, the feral ones will eat people no problem
>>70594770
Not even the Galactica :(
>>70596014
and thanks to that, Hollywood will probably never try to do atmospheric horror again now
not that The Witch was scary, but I think it was attempting horror the right way
