How much longer are DCcucks going to lie to themselves about this being good? When will they finally come to terms with what a hack Snyder really is?
>M-MUH SYMBOLISM
Kill yourself. You're only hurting film criticism by claiming a capeshit film a studio chured out to start a gigantic franchise is some kind of secret masterpiece.
I knew we would have this happen after it got blown the fuck out on rotten tomatoes but this is getting ridiculous. I understand being a fan of these characters and wanting the Justice League movie to be good, but you should be the people criticising this the harshest, not trying to convince yourselves and others that this wasn't a horrible disaster.
When JL comes out, then they will move their bullshit to defend it and forget about BvS
>>70569903
>M-muh Mongoloidism
>YOU kill yourself, Downsy
>uno.jpg
As someone who studies film on the university level I can honestly say that BvS is a superior cinematic experience when compared to Civil War.
>>70570363
As someone who went to films, not film school, I agree.
>>70570525
I went summer Kino Camp and BvS is pure art house
Civil War is pure FART house
#rekt
>>70570363
>As someone who studies film on the university level
I can't stop laughing
>>70570827
>he went to a flick 2 - year college
How embarrassing . Maybe you can transfer your credits to Cinemà University when you get some taste
>>70569903
>How much longer are Marvelcucks going to lie to themselves about this being good? When will they finally come to terms with what a hack Whedor really is?
>>M-MUH QUIPS
>Kill yourself. You're only hurting film criticism by claiming a capeshit film a studio churned out to start a gigantic franchise is some kind of secret masterpiece.
>I knew we would have this happen after it got undeservedly praised on rotten tomatoes but this is getting ridiculous. I understand being a fan of these characters and wanting the Infinity War movie to be good, but you should be the people criticising this the harshest, not trying to convince yourselves and others that this wasn't a horrible disaster.
>>70569903
I liked it.
Excited for more Batffleck.
It was alright.
>>70569903
"Is it really surprising that the most powerful man in the world should be a figure of controversy?"
>>70569903
when marveldrones stop pretending it was bad in the first place
BvS was a legit masterpiece.
Never as these low cinema IQ /v/ apes have been doing this since 2015
>>70569903
it was a fun movie. i recommend it as such. not claiming its some kind of masterpiece.
only complaint it was too dreary. batman and superman are supposed to be fun together, not some ultra serious business confrontation.
>>70569926
They're still defending MoS though.
Hell, they're defending it even harder now that BvS was such a shitshow.
Thank you Snyder
>>70570363
All you're proving is how useless those pieces of paper really are.
>>70569903
>M-MUH
>>70574013
They were both actually great films but as a Marvel fan I'm sure you were upset that it didn't have the low stakes, quips and infantile sentimentality that you are used to.
Marvel films gross so much because they appeal to the lowest common denominator. Literally the biggest retards on the planet can enjoy the Marvel films while films like Man of Steel and BvS require actual thought and analysis to truly appreciate.
>>70574018
>ban evading
cya
>>70569903
is just like 3 guys trolling
>>70574098
what if I'm neither a fan of marvel or DC movies? What if i just watch them as they come out and judge them without bias?
>>70569903
every single fucking day, another superhero thread. fml. these films are a fucking disease.
>>70574172
These aren't a disease unto themselves, they're just a symptom of 4chan going/being mainstream.
>>70569903
>being this obsessed with your cuckolding fetishes
>this obsessed with a company and its fans
>getting memed on this hard, probably thought people were serious when they praised Nolan or vince
>>70574098
> films like Man of Steel and BvS require actual thought and analysis to truly appreciate.
No, they require mental gymnastics and/or half-assed interpretation that basically stops at "this was the goal of the narrative so it must have been expressed correctly." But this is mostly a problem with zack snyder's complete and total ineptitude than DC properties.
>>70574098
Will you shut it with the pretentious dogshit memes? It's not fun, you're not fooling anyone and this entire board is sick of you faggots overrating your own cultural bankruptcy
>>70574100
Like OP has been?
>>70574317
literally "to dumb to get it"
>>70574303
in your case its especially telling
>>70574336
>b-b-but marvel
>b-b-but disney
>b-b-but marvel fans
>b-b-but OP
>b-b-but anyone else but me
Fucking children
>>70569903
No, you kill yourself, faggo.
This movie is a masterpiece and you are a pathetic piece of shit.
>>70574377
>to
>le i was pretending to be retarded i am master of b8 meme
Pretentious teenagers are the scourge of the earth
>>70571066
Beautiful
>>70574377
Zack snyder isn't exactly subtle, so I really don't understand where this "didn't get it" maymay comes from.
>>70570363
>BvS is a superior cinematic experience when compared to Civil War.
Duh, although is quite bad
>>70574465
its more dumbfucks like you unable to give a worthwhile rebuttal.
>>70569903
How much longer are Marveldrones going to lie to themselves about this being good?When will they finally come to terms what hacks Anthony and joe russo really are?
>M-MUH BUCKY
Kill yourself.You're only hurting film critisism by claiming a capeshit film a studio chured out to start a gigantic franchise is some kind of secret masterpiece.
>>70574526
>he literally doesn't get it
>>70573939
More like Man of Shill
>>70570363
Underrated comment
>>70574549
A rebuttal to your pretentious circlejerking over some dogshit children's toy catalog?
You don't need a rebuttal, you need therapy or a job.
>>70574166
Not that guy but I'm neither, I think all capeshit is shit (I have pleb friends tho), but I enjoyed BvS more.
>>70574410
I'm not him, and you're the one stuttering and bringing up others out of nowhere.
Anyone who uses the terms OP uses is a spamming get ban evaders with a hard-on for rehashing just as badly as snyderfag, except even more pathetic.
Plus OP has been destroyed by mods, jannies, /co/, and /tv/ numerous times.
>>70574558
So you really are just trolling?
>>70574526
he is though.
Shit did you understand any of the moby dick or modern promethius stuff on your first watch?
>>70574601
its only pretentious if you didnt get it kid C:
>>70574611
>b-b-but OP
fucking children
>>70569903
Name your top 5 movies
>>70574623
>references/parallels anyone who's seen a book in their lifetime would get
>difficult to get
lol, teenagers
>>70574680
Your mother's pornos
>>70569903
Lol look how much this movie triggers you.
>>70574673
What the fuck is that even supposed to mean? It's pretentious when it holds false pretenses as in some dogshit movie pretending it's high art because of shit symbolism that its director can't even integrate to the events that are being depicted. It is a pretentious film and you're a pretentious twat
Watch Peter Greenaway, reddit
>>70574619
Yes and no. What you don't get is that the "symbolism" mostly just thematic background.
Thematic background > generic background
That's what you don't get. It's not about being subtle or being smart. It's about a thematic aesthetic that's more interesting to look at than a generic grey background that signifies the emptiness of creativity.
>>70574697
so you didnt get that or the other stuff and you are basically simple, nice to know.
>>70574755
How was the symbolism of BvS pretentious.
>>70574677
>goalpost moving
Sorry you're so blown out in the ass, OP.
I've already called out both you and the other DC fans. Why don't you post another Evans pic to cool that hot head of yours?
>>70574800
Because it holds false pretenses, do you know what words mean?
>>70574800
Nobody on this site has an answer it's just the go-to comeback around here. Every reply you get will be basically "because I said so"
>>70574755
>Literally using Reddit because someone disagrees
you literally keep showing how fucking dumb you are
>>70574441
POST
THAT
FIT
EMBRYO
>>70574843
You don't even know what false pretense means toplel
>>70574843
How. Please explain.
>>70574853
>literally
>literally
Hi tumblr
>not buying the collectors edition
20 years from now these will be worth millions
>>70574762
>a generic grey background that signifies the emptiness of creativity.
so is this cross-dimensional posting or something? Because that's an absolutely perfect description of everything zack snyder has done so far.
>>70574843
>false pretenses
such as?
>>70574843
>Symbolism that everyone gets.
>False pretenses.
Yea, stop using words that you can't apply in the correct context. The only one who's pretentious here is you.
>the serious rektening of disneyshills ITT
I thought it was pure shit but man this is funny
>>70574882
Still waiting.
>>70574882
by acting as if sub-literate references are somehow high symbolism?
>>70574752
I never did get that.
Not sure why these next generation bronies have to always talk about something they don't like and bring up their cuck fetishes to boot.
If they don't like something they should ignore it.
>>70574892
>from reddit to tumblr
jesus christ
>>70574878
>>70574900
>>70574907
>>70574882
The false pretense of Snyder's symbolism is thematic weight.
>>70569903
Neutral spectator, saw both films.
Civil war was worse, they wasted too much time building up meme heroes nobody cares about like Black Panther just to have them be irrelevant by the end of the movie anyway. The whole thing moved too slowly and was borderline boring, since the story/drama elements of capeshit are in fact shit.
Now that doesn't make BvS a good movie, but for capeshit it was passable. And its enough to genuinely please the fans of such capeshit which was its ultimate goal.
Nobody claims Capeshit is the pinnacle of cinema, but you watch it to be entertained and BvS was at least entertaining, where Civil War fell short in 90% of its scenes.
>>70574762
Not him, but I want to inject my opinions into the thigh of this conversation
Civil War, as an example, is aware of what it is: a movie. It's made to entertain and it does a phenomenal job at doing so. It's polished, it's well-acted, it's well-shot, it's well-written.
Batman v Superman *tries* to go 'above' that, but it fails. Sure, it's heart is in the right place, but it's helmed by a literal idiot that is good at one thing: cinematography.
Civil War is better because it succeeds at what it does.
>>70574876
>le pdl is about superman meme
epik post m'sire
>>70574936
How did you gather the movie was "acting" that way? You've yet to say what is bad about its symbolism.
>>70574960
Do you think saying capeshit is going to make the actual cinema masters of this board believe you're not a capeshit drone?
>>70574957
great, now give a real awnser
>>70574897
I don't think you understand.
Pic related is more interesting than 90% Hollywood has put to film yet.
If this was just a painting it would be considered art.
>>70574907
The problem is all the references/parallels that snyder went out of his way to hammer into his superman movies were already a part of the tapestry of the character. So doubling up on pre-established symbolism/reference, while having the character itself be utterly devoid of any of the implications contained therein is pretensious as all hell.
>>70574927
Switch MoS and TDKR and we have a deal
>>70575041
You know he can't. None of these fucks can.
>>70575051
>hes defending the bat-jesus scene
father why hath thou forsaken me
>>70574918
This. Didn't even see it since I was waiting for the supposed directors cut to be in theaters, saw CW instead later on (was pretty good, but not amazing like antman or guardians).
Will definitely watch bvs when it comes out.
>>70575041
It lacks thematic weight, the allussions are superficial and not really integrated to the events depicted let alone keeping the emotional impact of the pieces alluded intact.
>>70574957
No, that's your interpretation. Snyders symbolism is thematic background. You seek for deeper meaning when that is not Snyders intention. That's your mistake.
>>70575055
>went out of his way
>hammer in
FUCKING HOW? WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THIS SHIT? ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION OR JUST SAY "because I said so XD"
BvS is the pinnacle of superhero films. It really was a great film and it didn't deserve the RT score that it got.
can't wait to watch this kino on my dolby 7.1.4 atmos sound system
>>70575107
they were though, you are literally a retard
>>70575097
The only people that laughed at this scene in my theatre in the beginning were teenagers and niggers.
>>70574893
>Batman's worthless because everyone has one
>Superman's worth 50 million because no one was buying at the time
>>70575058
Can't do it, anon. I loves me some MoS.
>>70575107
>It lacks thematic weight,
Give an example, because you just sound like a retard spouting gibberish you've heard from some other retard who thought he was making sense.
The symbolism is an aesthetic choice, not a "thematic weight" one.
If you weren't a retard you'd have figured this out by now.
>>70575138
you're right, its entirely possible the bat-swarm just so happened to look like a giant crucifix with bruce wayne as the jesus. its also entirely coincidental that superman's death was composed as jesus being removed from the cross. Complete accident that clark's crisis of faith in his father was framed with a stained glass picture of jesus.
OP/drone/vedditor/evansfag get banned again?
>tfw I will enjoy movies from any comic company and never be a hate filled toddler like he is
>>70575202
supes status honestly looks better to me
>>70575179
>they were
Because you say so? In what way? Did you cry at the end during the generic guitar music CGI fest?
>>70575107
The theme was the contact of human society with a living god. You have to be quite dumb to not get it, no offense
>>70574963
>well written
>entertaining
did we watch the same movie?
>billionaire guilt for killing muh boys!
>shitty "just kidding, le ruse face" plot
>forcing in meme heroes and taking an extra 30+ minutes to do that
>"sorry bro" ending
how exactly was that well written, or well directed? It could have been executed so much better, especially if its goal was entertainment. Because lets be honest, over half the movie was slow moving, boring and generally unimportant scenes.
In not shitting in either but BvS and civil war were vastly different films.
>>70575184
>the only people who didn't like what I liked were members of groups I don't like
very telling
>>70575029
Im not a cinema master or a capeshit drone.
Both are fags desu.
>>70575223
>can't integrate moby dick
>can't integrate the death of arthur
>can't integrate jesus' death
>can't integrate prometheus legend
It's all floating around in the ether, it's all just sort of there.
>>70574971
Are you stepping up to your superior, ape?
>>70575097
Here's where I tell you to explain the scene
Even if you do explain it accurately you will say stupid, even though it isn't. It's highly creative and interesting. Explains an entire origin without any words spoken. The score fits it perfectly. It pays homage to previous iterations of the character as well. Also sets up the rest of the movie and juxtaposition with Superman.
But it's all dumb memes right? And Snyder's a hack?
>>70575255
And the disconnect/pretense comes from the fact the "living god" had all the depth of a teenager wearing makeup to express his despair.
>>70575263
>did we watch the same movie?
I'm sure we did. The difference is I went in unbiased, and you went in wanting to hate it.
>over half the movie was slow moving, boring and generally unimportant scenes.
So you need action constantly? No wonder you like Snyder's films. You probably liked Bayformers, too.
>>70575163
>"kino"
Mobile flick watcher please go back to /v/
I never saw BvS or Civil War but I can't wait until CW gets nominated for tons of awards. If it's gets nominated for an Oscar it'll be delicious. Mods need to start banning these DC apologists.
Can we ALL finally agree on BvS being an ambitious but deeply flawed movie and CW being generic shit no one currently remembers produced to sell toys and stop fighting?
>>70574755
>Watch Peter Greenaway
i can't
he actually creates art and that makes me insecure
>>70569903
>Another capeshit thread
You should all drown
>>70575395
Not him You lost this argument so hard holy fucking shit.
>>70575379
Yea, I'm starting to understand what happened here. It appealed to your very limited literacy so it didn't seem obvious or forced at all to you.
Not to mention batman has absolutely nothing to do with any sort of christ figure. He is the least self-sacrificing character in existence and the idea he even subconsciously sees himself that way is basically just snyder banging his "SUPERHERO AM BAD" drum.
>>70575445
All I remember is the airport scene
>>70575395
There was a senator trying to judge him and some nigress said he wouldn't accept being held responsible before a human trial (in so many words) and like a hundred other things during the first hour about how society wasn't taking all that well superman's presence but yeah your meme criticism is valid too, go to sleep now
These are all rumors.
>TIER 1 - Confirmed by multiple sources
>TIER 2 - Confirmed by some, denied by others
>TIER 3 - Speculation from within that has yet to be confirmed.
>TIER 1:
The African woman who speaks at the beginning of the film is an actress paid for by Lex Luthor.
Mercy was uncomfortable with what Luthor was doing. Knowing this, Lex leads Mercy to her death out of spite for being unfaithful to him.
The Justice League cameos are not via an email in the Ultimate Cut.
Aquaman, Flash and Cyborg are seen in "action" during the end credits. Due to time constraints, they had to cut this sequence and their stories within the film. The email scene was a last minute idea to be able tease the Justice League characters in a short amount of time.
Luthor comes across as a more grounded character. His story makes much more sense with all his important character moments included and in the correct order.
Snyder signed on to make a "3 and a half hour epic" and stressed the importance of this as to separate themselves from what Marvel is doing. He stressed that he needed at least 3 hours. WB gave him the go ahead. This cut of the film received overwhelmingly positive reception from within the studio, which made them over-confident. Having been impressed by the quality of the film, they then focused their attention towards the profitability of the film. 2 MONTHS before the release date, Warner Bros panicked and pulled the plug on the idea of a 3 hour film.
Man of Steel sequel is happening. Date will be announced at SDCC 2016
>TIER 2:
We get a glimpse of Themyscira.
Lois and Diana have met before.
'Justice League' will be at least 2 and a half hours long, but with a much simpler/lighter story. Snyder had planned for it to be longer, but it was always going to be lighter in tone.
Ben Affleck is supportive of Zack Snyder. As is Warner Bros.
>TIER 3 -
Zack Snyder doesn't want to direct Justice League part 2. Instead, he is planning on adapting a novel for his next project.
>>70575476
Feel free to elaborate on how clark's actions in any way synced up with the forced allusions surrounding him.
>>70575559
It seemed like you were about to make a point, then your brain just kinda shorted out and you went back into shitpost mode.
Care to try again?
>>70575319
>can't integrate moby dick
Have you even read moby dick? Do you know what the whale stands for? Let me get this straight. You see Batman making a spear to hunt Superman. And you don't see how this relates to moby dick? Really? Really? Okay.
>can't integrate the death of arthur
Have you seen Excalibur? Do you remember how Arthur died?
>can't integrate jesus' death
Jesus dies for the sins of humans and gets resurrected. IRRELEVANT.
>can't integrate prometheus legend
A guy uses technology from the 'gods' and gets punished for it. Totally inappropriate.
It's not just there. It's parallel to the story. It's fucking all there in the movie. If you wonder what it all means? Nothing. And that is what bothers you. You can't accept that it's just there as an aesthetic. It's nihilistic. It doesn't mean shit because any meaning would have been shit. There isn't one movie that delivers a deeper meaning that isn't total shit. And I'm not talking about the movie being shit. I'm talking about the meaning being shit. Pic related.
>>70575561
I'm fucking ready.
>>70575587
>it's puddle deep and that was an intentional stylistic choice
I can't, I really can't, Snyder drones are too much.
BvS is kino or whatever you want to call it.
Jesus fuck
>>70574521
Thank you
>>70575587
... if that's the type of basic entry level symbolsim that impresses you, I really don't know what to say.
>>70575587
Care to elaborate on exactly why bruce wayne was obsessed with killing superman?
Also the spear was more a reference to longinus than anything. Interpreting that as moby dick is completely fucking braindead.
>>70575582
I'll say it again, the theme is the contact of the divine with the human, as it's show all through the movie and understood by 11 year olds all over the world. You said it lacked a theme and my point is your brain was quipped to liquid form by disney so hard you can't understand something that's all but explicitly said in the movie.
>>70575587
>kubrick /r/movies drone
Hi
>two guys hate each other but MARTHA and then they have to fight an even bigger threat and come together to save the day
great movie cucks
>>70571066
>I knew we would have this happen after it got undeservedly praised on rotten tomatoes
>undeservedly
kek. This is where the comparison ends.
>>70575491
What part of that scene has anything to do with Christ? Because his arms were spread out? It's an allusion that being Batman was him doing good in the world. That being a man who fights crime will save humanity. It's not. Even Afflecks voiceover calls it a beautiful lie.
But what do I know with my limited literacy.
>>70574963
> It's made to entertain and it does a phenomenal job at doing so. It's polished, it's well-acted, it's well-shot, it's well-written.
Do you seriously think that ? I would be more encline to agree with you if you said
"it's made to entertain the plebs"
because there is litteraly nothing entertaining in Civil War for anybody that is either not a pleb, older than 30, have seen at least a bunch of good film
BvS is en enterteinement film that is headed toward entertainement and entertained a lot of people depiste what the critics says and on the plus side the film is gorgeous and he actually try to be something greater than entertainment
And i think he succeeded. But the sad thing is by trying to aim above he alienated the plebest of people
>>70575738
The point I was actually making has more to do with the disconnect between thematic allusions and character actions/motivations.
But hey, you said it yourself, everyone with at least an 11 year old's level of literacy got that superman is jesus and BvS was his last temptation to be satan before dying for our sin of stealing technology from the gods, so, why does that impress you?
>>70575674
>>70575686
Give me an example of a movie with symbolism that was deep. I dare you.
I will annihilate it. There are no movies with deeper meaning that aren't entry level philosophy. At least Snyder doesn't bother and just does it because he likes it. That's the opposite of pretentious.
Don't come to me with Refn or Malick because I will hurt you. Forget about Tarkovsky or Jodorowsky because I will sum their movies up in a single sentence. Their deeper meaning is as shallow as anything Snyder has put out. The difference is that they pretend like it's something that it's not.
Deep. There is no such thing. Now prove me wrong or get the fuck out.
>>70574941
Because the underlying message at the heart of these films triggers them. It's not exactly subtle, but they still don't quite get it, and as a consequence of that, they never quite express it.
Being an inspiration isn't supposed to be easy. A hero isn't supposed to feel destined to overcome; they're supposed to feel like heroes *because* they overcome. They complain about how these aren't their heroes or that the heroes that they're watching aren't all sunny, superficial cheer and escapist fun, all while missing the point that the heroes aren't supposed to be on the screen.They're supposed to be in the audience.
>>70575791
>wut dus bruce wanye bein crusicifed un ah crusifux ob bats hab 2 di wit jesus
DC fans.
>M-MUH SYMBOLISM
But the childish sophomoric symbolism is all they have
please stop bullying dude
>>70575827
The Cook The Thief His Wife and Her Lover
O Brother Where Art Thou
Barry Lyndon
Go ahead Snyder drone, prove that Zack is better than Peter Greenaway.
>>70575827
If there is no such thing as depth in cinema, why do snyder fans act like snyder's movies are deep?
AlsoTDK
>>70575831
*slowclap*
>"You know what, despite the criticism, I actually like this film and will start a thread for others like me"
>"WTF YOU CAN'T LIKE THAT STOP LYING TO YOURSELF MAD DKEK - HERE'S A PICTURE OF THE RT SCORE AND EVANS LAUGHING"
>>70575732
>Interpreting that as moby dick is completely fucking braindead.
>Doesn't realize that the whale is symbolic for God and Ahab is a misotheist.
If you don't see how it relates to BvS just kill yourself now.
>>70575831
BEYOND HACKNEYED HOLY SHIT
JUST SELL A BEAUTY MAG WITH MIRRORS INSTEAD OF PRINT AMIRITE? XD
>>70575940
>its moby dick cuz of mah gymnastics
>nuffin 2 do wit longinus
this is so sad. I just gave you a much cleaner and consistent thematic element, and you're still try to force "whale hunt" into the franchise.
>>70575822
>But hey, you said it yourself, everyone with at least an 11 year old's level of literacy got that superman is jesus and BvS was his last temptation to be satan before dying for our sin of stealing technology from the gods, so, why does that impress you?
Not what I said but still it's quite ambitious to go with that theme for a movie about adults dressing up in costumes and punching each other. I respect the intent although the edit and the pacing was all over the place.
There's a moment in the film when someone asks "is it good to have superman on earth?" and other character answers "doesn't matter, he's already here" or something like that. That's the point, do we want another Prometheus (the Titan, not the shit flick) or another Jesus? How would we react? That's in line with the theme of the Great Inquisitor by Dostoiesky, which is what I was thinking in the theater when I saw the scene. That's thought inducing, and that I respect.
I wouldn't see the movie again but then again, it's better than anything that Marvel has ever done and don't get me started with that memelord shit with a raccoon please
Stop telling people what to like OP
![2deep4u.mkv_snapshot_02.08.40_[2014.11.12_10.53.54].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/QEIm20q.jpg "2deep4u.mkv_snapshot_02.08.40_[2014.11.12_10.53.54].jpg")
Why can't capeshit drones understand this?
>>70573939
Kek
Those threads are a triumph.
The line between satire and truth has blurred. Do people here really think BvS is an artistic marvel? Do they genuinely believe its kino?
>>70576060
I love how your defense of BvS relies upon referencing high school level required reading and comparing it to apologetically mindless action movies.
>>70576155
>artistic marvel
It's DC you filthy casual
>>70575887
>The Cook The Thief His Wife and Her Lover
There's nothing deep about it. It's emotionally gripping maybe but it's easily Greenaways most digestible work.
>O Brother Where Art Thou
Is technology a step forward or a step backward? OOOH so deep. All the other symbolism referring to odysseus, caine and abel and gulliver's travels is just as meaningful as the symbolism in snyders movies.
>Barry Lyndon
Asks the same questions as A Clockwork Orange only it's set in a different time period. Can man really change?
Ugh. Is this what impresses you? Read a fucking book.
>people hate what they don't understand
B R A V O
>>70576160
I never said the movie was deep, that was another guy. But I take high school required reading (where the fuck do the highschools make students read Brothers K anyways?) over Transformers rip offs tbqh
>>70576155
Just the twitter teens
Any one with an ounce of taste here knows its a shallow superhero flick
>>70576021
I didn't say it had nothing to do with Longinus. But if you're going to deny the relevance to Moby Dick, you're just a retard. There are no gymnastics needed. It's literally all there. A cynical man hunts down a powerful creature. How is this gymnastics? You literally have to be sub 80 IQ to not see the similarities.
>>70576216
>Nothing deep about TCTTHWAHL
>who is Georges De La Tour: the post
>>70576309
Trying to tack on a moby dick reference is just adding redundant bloat, is my point. Its basically just high school students trying to show off the fact they completed their required reading.
All the jesus stuff already comes prepackaged with obsession and man vs god.
Lmao
>>70575561
My body is prepared.
>>70575561
the first 3 on tier 1 are confirmed
>>70576251
So now we're on a level of intent versus success. You respect failed attempts at depth more than successful attempts at shallowness. Which is fair enough. But the difference between the goal and the result is large enough, in all of snyder's movies, for most people to rightfully call him a retarded hack.
>>70576355
Dude, just because it alludes to Georges De La Tour doesn't make it any deeper than Snyder alluding to Ahab. Just because it's more obscure doesn't make it any deeper.
Just because a puddle is darker doesn't mean it's any deeper than a clear puddle.
Autists on both sides. People are allowed to like whatever they want but don't try and force your tastes and opinion onto others
>>70576587
The events are masterfully integrated to the painting's composition though.
>>70576534
>>70576534
I really don't think it tried to be deep though, they do fight a generic green monster. The theme is ambitious and complex but not really deep becausd they keep it thar way (probably to please the producers and bring the box office numbers)
>>70576397
>its moby dick cuz of mah gymnastics
>implications
It's not redundant if 90% of the people who watched the movie didn't even notice it.
You didn't even wanted to acknowledge the obvious similarities. Don't pretend like it's redundant now you've got your back against the wall.
The reference is thematically sound and it's appropriate to the material.
>>70570363
>the responses
fucking wew
>>70576712
I'm not contesting that.
>>70574963
BvS doesn't "try" to go "above" anything
that's shit that 4chan pulled out of their ass in response to the people interpreting it
>>70569903
>hurting film criticism
>hurting film criticism
>hurting film criticism
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>Meanwhile on Reddit the two sides of the capeshit company wars are contained to their own boards where they mind their own business and enjoy their shit without trying to force others to enjoy it
>>70576733
>It's not redundant if 90% of the people who watched the movie didn't even notice it.
and you're basing this on what?
And if the moby dick reference had no impact upon the narrative (beyond distracting you from how bad the movie is), then, yes, it is redundant. Adding another man v god element to man v god the movie doesn't add anything that wasn't already there.
>>70575562
Not him, but I'll take a crack at it.
MoS - Perry White: "Do you know how people would react if they knew there was someone like this out there?"
Here's how humanity reacts in Superman's world - when confronted with proof that not only is there extraterrestrial intelligence in the universe, it's superior to us in almost every conceivable way, mankind tries to make a god out of it. That's what the imagery is there to convey - a guy just trying to do what he thinks is right while his nature and environment conspire to make him appear as a god.
Bonus:It's not all Christ imagery,
snyder himself has said that all the background and under the surface things at work are there for "those who'd like to look deeper into the movie"
that's it
>>70576762
I'm doubtful of how intertwined BvS symbolism really is with the overall work, but again I have not seen the movie as it was conceived by Snyder.
I might disagree with some of his thematic and stylistic choices but the man is a fucking auteur.
>>70576943
>and you're basing this on what?
Ask anyone of your normie friends who watched the movie if they spotted the Moby Dick reference. Because I have and none of them did.
>And if the moby dick reference had no impact upon the narrative
Since when do thematic references have to have an impact on the narrative?
I think you misunderstand what purpose symbolism in movies have.
Name a movie where the symbolism drives the narrative forward. I fucking dare you.
>>70577066
the only reason people noticed the moby dick reference here on 4chan was because it was fucking shown to us
that actually proves snyder was actually subtle
and it also proves that snyder isn't hamfisted like people are saying
and people saying the moby dick reference has no impact are full of shit
its a guy, obsessed with his legacy, who pins it all on killing something he doesn't see as an other, who armors himself up and wants to kill it with a spear
even the way the fight ends and the rest of the scene until bruce backs off is reflective of fishing and then hunting in general. but of course no one picks that up
>m-muh DC is better
>m-muh Marvel is better
Jesus Christ. I'm not even exaggerating right now, but this board makes me physically sick. I can feel a huge migraine every time one of you fucking faggots decides to dredge up another superhero thread. I come here to talk about genuinely interesting cinema, but all you cunts ever do is fuck about and make ceaseless capeshit threads. I've been to Tumblr blogs and even subreddits, fucking subreddits, and had better discussions about films than I have on this miserable piece of shit board.
The raging autistic fanboyisms of /co/, the narcistic elitist swagger of /a/, the self loathing hatred of /r9k/ and the downright abhorrent media worship of /v/: all of this website's fucking cancer, all concentrated into one single board. Here's a request. Kill yourselves. Just do society a favour and go fucking die!
>>70576955
See also: plumbing.
>>70569903
Why are you mad, bro? Just enjoy your Marvel movies. They make tons of those every year, don't they?
>>70575732
The spear's significance changes depending on who's wielding it and what their motivations are. The only time it's anywhere remotely close to being Longinus is when Bruce cuts Clark's cheek with it.
Bruce creates the spear, honing it alongside himself. He dons his armor and goes out to confront Clark, still convinced that he's the righteous hero. He plants it in stone and retrieves it the same way, thinking himself the rightful wielder of the "magic weapon," like Arthur with Excalibur, but once he comes to realize that he's no hero, just a man driven by his obsessions to the brink of committing the cold-blooded murder of a helpless foe. In that moment, Excalibur turns to Ahab's spear in his hands. Disgusted with it and what it now represents, he tosses it away in anger and disgust.
Lois then takes the spear and tosses it in the pool to conceal it, only to try to retrieve it once the battle starts to come her way, effectively making her the "magic weapon's" keeper, the Lady of the Lake, in other words.
Lastly, Clark by choosing to wield the spear, symbolically reaffirms his choice of the hero's role and uses it to kill Doomsday, the embodiment of the consequences of the past actions he's avoided facing since the events of MoS and dies stabbing away at this personification of his own obsessions, in effect uniting the themes of Ahab and Arthur.
But all of that's just going to be hand-waved away as "autism," and coincidence, I'm very sure. All of those things just happened to be there because they look cool.
>>70577066
The only reason you think its a moby dick reference is because of the spear. Which is beyond idiotic.
Its cherry picked as fuck and beyond one asshole's interpretation of moby dick as "man v god," it has nothing to do with bvs.
>>70577470
>The raging autistic fanboyisms of /co/
>the narcistic elitist swagger of /a/
>the self loathing hatred of /r9k/
>the downright abhorrent media worship of /v/
You just named every reason why I love this place. I can make the suggestion to go back to tumblr and reddit but I'm sure you already have tabs open there.
>>70577600
Why would he go there when tourists like you have made this board just that?
>>70575853
Show me the bats forming a cross. I've never once noticed that, but in terms of the dream, it still fits - Bruce's burdensome obsession is still what raises him toward the light of his "beautiful lie" - that vengeance could ever bring him peace.
>>70577585
>The only reason you think its a moby dick reference is because of the spear.
No you dumb fuck. If you've never read Moby Dick I could understand why you'd think this. Anyone who actually read Moby Dick knows why it's relevant.
>>70577438
>>70575940
Ow, and also pic related.
>>70577712
>I've been to Tumblr blogs and even subreddits, fucking subreddits, and had better discussions about films than I have on this miserable piece of shit board.
Because he said he did?
>le "it used to be so much better" meme
I highly doubt it.
>>70575965
And you couldn't miss the point any harder if you were actively trying.
>>70577600
Fuck off. Use a real insult.
>>70577924
Why would I when you already insult yourself?
>>70577894
>le "it used to be so much better" meme
What the fuck are you talking about? Nowhere did I even suggest that. /tv/ is plain shit: it sucked back then and it sucks worse now.
>>70577894
I guarantee you the guy you're replying has been here for less than three years. The actual discussion itt is quite good, which is to be expected of a movie as ambitious and divisive as this one
>>70577986
>it sucked back then
at least it wasn't so morbidly shit back then.
capeshit wasn't so widely tolerated.
>>70577986
>Nowhere did I even suggest that.
>>70577712
>Why would he go there when tourists like you have made this board just that?
>implying implications
>>70578021
>a movie as ambitious and divisive as this one
What fucking ambition? It's a capeflick about an orphan and an alien who fight a CGI cave troll.
>>70574556
The difference is, CW set out to be enjoyable trash and is enjoyable trash.
BvS tries to be serious cinema, but it isn't, and it isn't even enjoyable.
It's just trash.
>>70575051
Motherfucking braindead mongoloid.
>>70578021
>actual discussion
Keep holding onto that delusion. All I ever see on /tv/ is the following deep discussion:
>pepe threads
>CIA 4 u bane threads
>image.jpg trash
>endless marvel shilling
>endless DC shilling
>tourists from Redditopia
>GoT generals
Face it. /tv/ is dead. Nothing more than maggot-ridden roadkill, waiting to get chucked into the furnace.
>>70578260
>tries to be serious cinema, but it isn't
i never saw the screen display a message saying "this is serious cinema" when i watched bvs
>>70574441
Being this wrong
>>70578337
And you're still here why faggot?
>>70578021
Are you stepping up to me?
>>70578404
So I can witness the board in its dying throes. It all reminds me of /mlp/, falling and falling until it started to reach the critical moment of death. It's mesmerising, watching a board die before your very eyes. Very soon, this place will collapse until only Reddit bait and capeshit is left.
Are we really witnessing in Snyder's career a live reenactment of The Fountainhead?
It's getting spoopy at this point.
>>70578630
I hope he gets to adapt the book. Would be meta as fuck.
>>70578630
You are entirely correct. His career is like a performance art interpretation of it.
>>70578547
>>70578773
Is that image supposed to mean something? That guy in the fedora, that is everyone on this board.
He's me.
He's us.
He's you.
>>70578773
Shitskin memer?
>>70578858
Speak for yourself maggot.
>>70578927
Well, at least the guy you were replying to didn't use that laughing Chris Evans image. Or that Fred Unmasking meme.
>>70574607
Not that guy but I'm neither, I think all capeshit is shit (I have pleb friends tho), but BvS is trash and one of the worst capeshits..
>>70577712
>they are also remarkably in love with dumb schlock for a board who who prize themselves in their passion for experimental cinema.
He has a pretty valid point.
>>70578982
Be honest with me now, how fucking BUTTMAD do you hsve to be to answer that post from two hours ago with that cringe shit?
>>70578546
Bump
>>70569903
Why do shitposters only focus on symbolism like that was the only good thing about the movie. Hardly anyone posts about batman's action scenes
>>70569903
>>70579108
>Hardly anyone posts about batman's action scenes
What's there to say other than they were competent?
>>70579108
Because no one ever attacks the Batfleck. No one DARES attack the Batfleck.
>>70579108
Because they're children
>>70579136
>there's no corruption disney isn't buying critics i swear guys
Post reviews from the flick filosofer dude
>>70579221
>>70571066
We never claimed this was a masterpiece you autistic fuck, we know this movie has errors and we fucking acknowledge them, unlike you, fucking dcuck
>>70578342
Is that what sets it apart from all other serious cinema?
>>70579221
Answer the question
Are you stepping up to me?
>>70579286
>we
>>70579221
>critics have different opinions than me
>conspiracy
Or they just genuinely like or dislike the films they review. Also, the audience reception doesn't seem to differ aside from them being much more forgiving to Xmen and BvS.
>>70579170
>And when Batfleck reached the Indus, he wept, for there was no ass left to kick.
>>70579286
>We never claimed this was a masterpiece
Not a masterpiece is quite the understatement. "The Avengers" is utter garbage on par with the Transformers films.
>>70575051
I swear, when that scene started, i fucking cringed so hard, i was about to leave the damn place when i heard "dream", jesus that was fucking awful
>>70579754
Who said it wasnt garbage you fucking autist, its a stupid movie on par with transformers, and BvS Its not too far up you piece of shit
>>70579879
That kind of language is uncalled for.
>>70580000
I concur, Captain Rogers.
I hate everyone on this website for shitting up the board with DC threads.
>>70580000
>literally language policing
Orwell is turning in his grave
>>70579108
confirmed not knowing what you're talking about
a lot of the talk here is about batman and superman being 'out of character'
>>70579299
not necessarily
it takes away the claim about how the movie 'views' itself
>>70580298
>not muh super/batman
Kill yourself now.
Because people collectively buying into the MCU hype is fine? Marvel is a joke. Their shit is all retarded, but you keep stroking your cock to their capequips.
All these turds belong in the same toilet.
Only 3 weeks until the Ultimate Edition.
Praise Snyder.
>>70580457
My "vacation" from /tv/ begins either that day, or the first day I see a post with real 100% spoilers in it. I want to go into it as blind as possible.
>>70580621
there will be a torrent a week before its official release, just saying
>>70580732
Yeah, that's about what I figure.
>>70580732
Well it's out on digital HD a week before the Blu Ray if that's what you mean. So are you saying it'll be on torrents a week before the digital HD? If so only 2 weeks.
>>70580375
Stop pretending to be on the fence you tasteless plebe
>>70578260
But civil wasn't enjoyable
>>70579108
>>70580298
just last night i was posting about how it's absolute bullshit how people misinterpret the maybe scene in mos
how a moment of vulnerability somehow gets twisted into jonathan advising clark on how to act.
they call him sociopathic and self interested when immediately after he tells clark that not only the lives of them AND their community are at stake but the whole world WILL change because of him
little things like this that people twist around because they can
even with your post about shitposters and symbolism, there's plenty of talk about most aspects of the movie, and the talk about symbolism is only to gather all the points of supposed play with meaning and talk out interpretations
absolutely there's shit that's getting memed to death, but the people actually creating the content are doing so genuinely with no hidden agendas
>>70569903
if you are too much of a mental midget to understand Snyder's Kino than you should Cape your mouth shut.
all of you shitposters take posts like this
>>70581639 way too seriously.
