>Please tell me this shit isn't true from a working class/student perspective.
>shit ton of paid vacation as a worker
>relaxed work environment
>no standardized testing in public schools
>free healthcare
>they serve real food instead of the prison grade food we get here in public schools.
>little to no private education
>no tuition in higher education
>Taxes are itemized on pay stubs indicating percentages.
>this is just a few things I noticed and I have only been watching this shit for 30 minutes.
Is it a misrepresentation of reality on his part? If it is not I kinda feel like I got ripped off.
tl;dr is Michael Moore full of shit, or does Eastern Europe provide a better standard of living as a whole?
I find some of this shit hard to believe.
>>70560032
>tl;dr is Michael Moore full of shit
Yes.
>>70560032
Do you even have to ask? Isn't it obvious?
The only thing I learned, to my horror, was that German students have to go through a daily brainwashing session where they are taught to feel shame over WW2.
>>70560032
>>shit ton of paid vacation as a worker
30 days forced vacation a year, yes
>relaxed work environment
depends where you work obviously
>no standardized testing in public schools
bullshit
>free healthcare
yeah, but you sometimes have to wait months in advance to just get a simple checkup. and its often better to just go to a private clinic.
>they serve real food instead of the prison grade food we get here in public schools.
not as fatty as usa but shitty cheap food that you have to pay for
>little to no private education
there is
>no tuition in higher education
true
>Taxes are itemized on pay stubs indicating percentages.
I think so.
>DUDE IF WE INSTITUTE ECLVERY SINGLE SOCIALIST AMD FEMINIST POLICY POSSIBLE THEN AMERICA WILL BE A LITERAL PARADISE AND THERE WILL BE NO NEGATIVE REPERCUSSIONS WHATSOVER EUROPE HAS NO PROBLEMS AT ALL NO I AM NOT INCREDIBLY NAIVE LMAO
I'm from Herzegowina, SE Europe:
>shit ton of paid vacation as a worker
Yes, I get 3 weeks per year plus a shitload of holidays with prolonged weekends.
>relaxed work environment
Only if you work for government, otherwise you're fucked and don't think you'll ever come home before 5 or 6.
>no standardized testing in public schools
Bullshit.
>free healthcare
Nah, not even close, they tax me 100€ per month for healthcare, and you still have to pay for surgeries and shit, you still have to pay participation, not to mention you have to wait for a long time if you're not connected.
>they serve real food instead of the prison grade food we get here in public schools
They don't serve food in public schools, lmao, kids eat in bakeries.
>little to no private education
Not true, it's just that no one gives a shit about private schools because the perception is "private schools = bought diplomas", and it's kind of correct, private schools are for lazy hacks.
>no tuition in higher education
Haha, lmao, fuck off Michael Moore. Government pays for 15-20% of great students, that's it.
>Taxes are itemized on pay stubs indicating percentages.
I don't understand this, tbqh.
Fuck Moore, that fat libfag commie.
>>70560101
>they are taught to feel shame over WW
well, they should.
>>70560515
>>Taxes are itemized on pay stubs indicating percentages.
>I don't understand this, tbqh.
On my Pay stub it only has 2-3 itemized things.
He was saying that where the money actually goes is itemized in Europe.
Meaning the percentages are shown rather than just FDIC, medicare, ssc etc. They actually tell you where your money is going.
>>70560565
It was a shitty thing, but I don't see the sense of being ashamed of something you didn't take part in. I find it nonsensical to apologize for something that you had nothing to do with. Given i would never participate in things like that, you cannot punish me or make me feel bad for some shit I didn't do.
>>70560281
Who let it out of the cage again, too much cruise, not enough control.
I am about half way through the documentary, and so far i think there is 'some' truth to what he is saying, but at times it seems that he is harshly embellishing and exaggerating to further his point. I don't think he is beyond being intentionally misleading is what I am getting at.
>>70560032
>does Eastern Europe provide a better standard of living as a whole?
no
t. eastern european
You got screwed over, you should probably head over to the paradise that is eastern Europe
Youth unemployment in Western Europe is, what, 30-35%?Also, those countries are still 85%+ white. Our blacks and hispanics would be a black hole of social spending
>>70560032
LMAO
As someone from Eastern Europe, I can tell you he's so full of shit it's literally not even funny.
>Thinking back at your 14 year old edgy self, worshiping this man
>>70560032
>>little to no private education
How is that a good thing?
>pay 33% of my salary for """""free""""" healthcare
>have to wait in line for 3 months to get a simple check-up
I'd rather get health insurance and get quality service than this fucking shit.
>>70561610
This. The United States wouldn't be able to keep up the same standards we have in Europe because like 33% of the population would abuse the system.
>>70561704
Because the public education system is actually good? Remember: they don't have niggers.
>>70561734
We have gipsyes
Michael Moore is a bit too far left for my taste, but his documentaries are comfy as fuck.
>>70561755
>Remember: they don't have niggers.
Having arabs, pakis, gypsies and slavs is not any better
You americans act as if no other country have minorities at all
>>70561776
Meant for >>70561610
>>70561755
>Americans talking about shit they know fuck all about
Ayu
>>70561734
There's nothing tastier than liberals realizing what their dream society actually requires
>>70560032
What do you mean by Eastern Europe? Finland?
>>70560032
Shit like Michael Moore only exist in the USA. If he was in China, They would have executed him already.
>>70560032
From what I remember he didn't say that's how it is in Europe, he clearly stated that he is going to show the best parts of Europe. That he did. Europe is a big and diverse continent and asking "Is this how it is everywhere?" makes no sense.
That being said an average Western European (maybe even Southern and Central European) definitely lives a more relaxed and carefree life. Most American expats agree. There is a reason why they say Europeans work to live, Americans live to work.
>>70560032
>does Eastern Europe provide a better standard of living as a whole?
Eastern European here,Balkans to be exact.
I came to say one word.
L M A O
I live in sweden and most almost all of those apply to here. inb4 lmao le cuck XD
he has a message and it's a very simple one. the thing is if you really are curious you'd try to research his claims.
>>70562140
hi ahmed
>>70560565
Learn about it? Absolutely. Feel bad about it? Nah. Those kids had not a damn thing to do with ww2. Can't say I appreciate what happened to Native Americans but no one alive today had anything to with the Trail of Tears for example so I'm not going to start apologizing to any Indians I run into.
>>70560032
OP you dumbass
majority of the countries in the movie are NOT in Eastern Europe
Italy = worker benefits
France = school lunches
Finland = education
Slovenia = no college tuition
Germany = work benefits
Portugal = drugs are legal
Norway = ?>>
Tunisia = women shit
Iceland = women shit
>>70560032
>>shit ton of paid vacation as a worker
"paid" vacation, sure.
>>relaxed work environment
Depends on job
>>no standardized testing in public schools
Depends on country and how you define standardized testing.
>>free healthcare
You pay for it through taxes and can opt to pay for better care in some cases. It's not "Free"
>>they serve real food instead of the prison grade food we get here in public schools.
This is true, however most of the shitty school food in the US is a more recent development.
>>little to no private education
Wrong. There is also nothing wrong with higher ed
>>no tuition in higher education
They don't pay for living expenses though and student living, for example in man Germnay, is often expensive, far from campus, and not covered entirely by government help.
>>Taxes are itemized on pay stubs indicating percentages.
Depends on country
>>this is just a few things I noticed and I have only been watching this shit for 30 minutes.
Michael Moore is a charlatan. You have to remember that most of the shit he's touting off are various policies of different countries. He will also NEVER mentioned the negative repercussions of this stuff.
>>70560032
Who are you quoting?
>>70560565
I know. They let the bad guys win.
>>70560032
>shit ton of paid vacation as a worker
Yes. 30 days per year, plus up to 10 days more accumulated through the years. (when you reach 10 days you can't add more the "pool"). Far more if you work for the state.
>relaxed work environment
It depends.
>no standardized testing in public schools.
Nope, at least in Spain there're.
>free healthcare.
Yes, and not only in Spain, social security covers me in all the EU plus many other countries. Also we have access to several treatments from all the world. For example my grandma recieved a cancer threatment from the USA totally free (for us). Because of that private medicine can't charge you a lot so you can have a full private healthcare (no dentist) for around 400€ per year.
>they serve real food instead of the prison grade food we get here in public schools.
I don't know.
>little to no private education
Again it depends but no one ends a career with thousand of € in credit debts.
>no tuition in higher education
I don't know what's that so I guess not.
>Taxes are itemized on pay stubs indicating percentages.
It depends.
> does Eastern Europe provide a better standard of living as a whole?
If you study something usefull yes, undoubtly yes. My experience through the almost two years I worked in Miami was that, even if I was making around 40% more money I managed to save less than in Spain and my quality of life was simply awfull at pretty much every level compared to my (according to The Times) starving-broken-failed country.
That said... Is the system sustainable?
>dude the economic and social systems used in a small european nation are way better than the ones used in our country which has literally 10 times the population lmao
>>70562349
>Portugal = drugs are legal
Goddammit. Drugs aren't legal, they're dercriminalized. Just means the cops won't arrest you for using or carrying if you have below a certain amount (it's around a weeks supply) of any drug on you.
>>70560515
>Herzegowina
>Europe
Not on my watch Hasan.
>>70563135
The USA have also a hundred times more natural resources then, let's say, Germany. A difference in size doesn't make the comparison per se illegitimate.
>>70561733
which is why you call in to get an appointment and not sit in near the reception like a mouthbreathing american
>>70563135
Maybe the pants-on-head-retarded military budget has some relation too.
Who knows.
>>70563135
right, germany is a small nation now
i think this is just an excuse to not try something innovative which might benefit more than the few people who are already getting rich off the scheme that's been setup
I never understand the whole EU-Utopia thing push. What people fail to realize is that the culture of the US leads to some bad shit, but also some great shit. You don't have companies like google, amazon, apple, uber, or Tesla coming out of the EU because the government doesn't foster a culture that encourages the creation of jobs and businesses.
>>70563371
>to some bad shit, but also some great shit.
haven't seen that many good things come out of america since the 70s
>>70563398
Tesla
Space X
Amazon
PayPal
Uber
Youtube
Skype
Actual products:
iPhone
>>70563371
most of the companies you mentioned wasn't founded by americans
>>70563371
>What people fail to realize is that the culture of the US leads to some bad shit, but also some great shit.
USA is now like 90% bad shit faggot.
I'm American btw.
>>70563469
>skype
top kek, that shit was founded by a swede
most of the other companies were founded by a russian and canadians
>>70563371
>I never understand the whole US-Utopia thing push. What people fail to realize is that the culture of the EU leads to some bad shit, but also some great shit. You don't have companies like volkswagen, ferrero, daimler, shell, or Vitol coming out of the US because the government doesn't foster a culture that encourages the creation of jobs and businesses.
lol the companies you named aren't even top 10 of the world bruh. Google had like an 80 million revenues. That's literally peanuts in the world economy.
>>70563469
>iPhone
a piece of shit that isn't even the best the market has to offer anymore
>>70563371
Thank god with don't have any shitty orwellian company that keeps us under their leash 24/7.
Wait what.
I'm from Poland and I'd probably be better living in the USA. But honestly, there are some institutional things that work better in Poland i.e. the higher education is free.
>>70563536
Google had 75 billion in revenue in 2015, faggot.
>>70563469
>>70563371
>Americans in charge of discussion economics
>>70563631
My bad. Yet, what was the profit margin?
>>70560032
>tl;dr is Michael Moore full of shit, or does Eastern Europe provide a better standard of living as a whole?
"Eastern Europe" is not a place.
Some places here like Finland (Which I'd call North instead) are pretty great, but there are also absolute hell holes.
For example, in Hungary, an American tourist got fined ~$500 for taking a few bites of a pizza roll he showed at the checkout in the mall and paid full price for like is expected.
What makes this special is that nothing makes it special. This shit is the norm, and more.
>>70563631
>meanwhile Volkswagen made 3 times that
Still not even top 50 or so. 80 billions aint much.
>>70563763
>For example, in Hungary, an American tourist got fined ~$500 for taking a few bites of a pizza roll he showed at the checkout in the mall and paid full price for like is expected.
>What makes this special is that nothing makes it special. This shit is the norm, and more.
Even if this is true, it's obvious that the USA have most absurd laws and lawsuits in the word.
I mean come on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawsuits_against_God
>>70563763
>For example, in Hungary, an American tourist got fined ~$500 for taking a few bites of a pizza roll he showed at the checkout in the mall and paid full price for like is expected.
I don't understand.
>>70560032
wait, what's your beef with bismarck's model of social security?
>>70563882
>Tourist is hungry
>Goes into mall
>Grabs a pizza roll
>Takes a few bites on the way to pay
>Shows at the checkout that he has a pizza roll
>Pays for it
>After this, store manager calls the cops because he ate (part of) the pizza roll before paying.
>>70563935
>being hungry in Hungary
![fat-shaming-4[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/99AUjGV.jpg "fat-shaming-4[1].jpg")
>>70563935
Oh I see.
That's weird. But I guess it's more of a language barrier and the manager being an asshole than the general quality of life in Hungary.
Anyway
>pizza roll
>>70560032
>tl;dr is Michael Moore full of shit, or does Eastern Europe provide a better standard of living as a whole?
Absolutely not. The OP is literally all lies.
It was very similar to what he describes before they forced capitalism on us though, in the late 70s and early 80s it was almost exactly like that. So maybe he's forever living in 1984 or something?
Now that we have glorious capitalism, it's pretty much the opposite of everything in the OP except for the people who are very well connected and from rich families that date back to the 90s and the war times, who were allowed to get rich and control all capital (and who were really the most powerful families in communism too).
For example "free healthcare" means that 1) you pay for it monthly out of your salary, 2) you have to wait for a year for a simple test/xray/whatever if you don't pay privately, 3) if you ever need surgery or anything it's expected to somehow pay thousands of euros somewhere if you don't want to die on the operating table, but if you're not connected enough you don't even know who to pay and how
>>70560032
>or does Eastern Europe provide a better standard of living as a whole?
>>70563935
There's no way that this ever happened, unless the American was doing something exceptionally obnoxious or was stealing something else. That's not the whole story.
>>70564041
>For example "free healthcare" means that 1) you pay for it monthly out of your salary, 2) you have to wait for a year for a simple test/xray/whatever if you don't pay privately, 3) if you ever need surgery or anything it's expected to somehow pay thousands of euros somewhere if you don't want to die on the operating table, but if you're not connected enough you don't even know who to pay and how
It also means there is no way your ever lose this healthcare. If you can't afford it, the state will pay so no clinic will ever refuse you without breaking the law.
>>70564151
Who told you that? It's easy as fuck to lose it, you don't get it automatically no matter what. You have to pay monthly regardless if you're unemployed or employed or whatever, and if you ever forget to register a change of your status you're fucked. Unemployed people for example have to pay thousands of euros to others to employ them on a bullshit job occasionally so that they don't lose healthcare.
>>70563845
Oh, I'm not questioning that America has some weird stuff.
I was just giving an example of how things are not all sunshine and rainbows in the east.That being said, it was far, far better than American media made/makes it out to be.
>>70564019
>Language barrier
a) The guy clearly paid for it.
b) The American got a lawyer who explained this.
c) I could also have brought up how it is literally against the law to be homeless, or any number of other fun facts. You can look the recent history up. A lot of interesting stuff's going on.
>>70564087
As far as I'm informed, the only "questionable" thing he did, was say "fuck it" hired a lawyer to take care of it for him and went back to America.
>>70563212
>Not on my watch Hasan.
Herzegowina are Serbs, he's fine.
>>70564041
>if you ever need surgery or anything it's expected to somehow pay thousands of euros somewhere if you don't want to die on the operating table, but if you're not connected enough you don't even know who to pay and how
Not really, the quality of the surgeries is not the issue. A lot of the times, the surgeons are the same, they work in both public and private sectors.
The major issue is the waiting lists.
>>70564215
>>70564087
Actually you were right, I apologize.
I misremembered it, in actually it was the cost of the investigation that was ~$500, not the fine itself, he was let go on a warning, but it still cost him that much to get it over with.
>>70564262
>Serbs
>>70564041
>1) you pay for it monthly out of your salary, 2) you have to wait for a year for a simple test/xray/whatever if you don't pay privately, 3) if you ever need surgery or anything it's expected to somehow pay thousands of euros somewhere if you don't want to die on the operating table, but if you're not connected enough you don't even know who to pay and how
Now this is a good definition of pulling things out of your ass, nice job anon.
Norway
>shit ton of paid vacation as a worker
Normally 25 days and then there are some national holidays too.
>relaxed work environment
No
>no standardized testing in public schools
We usually have to write our answers and not just check boxes, yes.
>free healthcare
Sure, a lot of long waiting lists though.
>they serve real food instead of the prison grade food we get here in public schools.
No. You have to bring your own food until high school. In high school you get the option to buy food at a cafeteria in the school.
>little to no private education
There are some.
>no tuition in higher education
True. You still need loans to live off of though unless you got money.
>Taxes are itemized on pay stubs indicating percentages.
No.
>>70563559
Well that's government job:^)
>>70564214
I am German. In Germany you can't lose healthcare. It's literally illegal.
>>70564402
Well, good for you, I don't see how Germany is Eastern Europe except by demographics though.
>>70564402
It's illegal in Portugal, Italy and Greece too.
>>70564393
Just three words Steven: American prison population.
>>70564432
Oh, are we talking about Eastern Europe? Eh I like you guys but some countries (Slovakia and Bulgaria) are still pretty much shit. Like Eastern Germany looked like in 1988 or something.
Millionaire Socialist.
>>70564461
In the amerilard's defense, their prison sector is somewhat privatized.
>>70564493
>>Oh, are we talking about Eastern Europe?
Read the thread retard.
>>70564498
But not their justice system.
>>70564514
Fuck you nigger. The general question was if Eastern Europe is a good place to live. No one else connected health-care to Eastern Europe but you.
>>70564514
I did >>70562349
>>70564514
>triggered Bulgarian detected
Bojko please.
>>70564540
Might as well be, They have public elected judges in some jurisdictions, who the fuck knows who pays for those campaigns.
>>70564597
I am just saying. It is still the government who sends them to prison. So Americans going on about their freedom-loving government are pretty schizophrenic since the freedom they mean is almost exclusively economic.
>>70560032
>"michael! aren't you part of the 1%?"
>ignored
>>70560032
Is it really funny though?
>>70564755
It's okay but the execution is bland.
>>70560032
>>shit ton of paid vacation as a worker
True. Although compared to America's zero.
>>relaxed work environment
Relaxed attitude towards raising your wage too
>>no standardized testing in public schools
Depends on country
>>free healthcare
Of dubious quality
>>they serve real food instead of the prison grade food we get here in public schools
Not true
>>little to no private education
Untrue
>>no tuition in higher education
Depends on the country, level of education and how long you are studying
>>Taxes are itemized on pay stubs indicating percentages
True
>"free" healthcare
This concept only exists in leftard delusions
In reality it's the job centre that pays for your healthcare if you are registered as unemployed
>>70564891
>>they serve real food instead of the prison grade food we get here in public schools
>Not true
Depends on the country or even the county.
>>70564970
Yeah, well or the employer, or the state, or the commune etc.
>>70561755
I went to a public school growing up in southern europe and it was horrible and full of gypsies and slavs, what the fuck gave you that idea
>>70564645
>So Americans going on about their freedom-loving government are pretty schizophrenic since the freedom they mean is almost exclusively economic.
>since the freedom they mean is almost exclusively economic.
You're a dumb socialist.
>1st amendment
>2nd amendment
>4th amendment
All unique American political policies, which form the basis of a free society. If you consider Americans unfree, the runner-up is Nazi Germany.
Also,
>low taxes
>minimal government intrusion into the daily lives of people
>>70560032
People had an incentive to keep a functional socialist state in an ethnically homogeneous society.
But now that the European countries are getting full of third worlders leeching to welfare everything is collapsing. The whole system is too expensive and it attracts scum from all over the world.
Soon Europe will adopt the American system.
Enjoy the last vestiges of socialism while it lasts.
>>70566586
>Soon Europe will adopt the American system.
Don't count on it. The age of enlightenment was forgotten here long ago. European leaders would rather level their cities and populace with artillery than throw feudalist tendencies out the window.
We will never again have free speech, a right to keep and bear arms or many of the other basic liberties most Americans (save for the residents of NY, CA, VA, D.C., IL, MA, HW and a few other states) take for granted.
>>70566810
I'm sure he only meant the bullshit from the American system, not the good things. And the bullshit is already getting adopted and has been since quite a while back.
>>70560032
Why do you think everyone from Europe fucking hates Murrica. Its a wasteland filled with hillbillies convinced they lived in the greatest country on earth.
>Please tell me this shit isn't true from a working class/student perspective.
>THIS IS MY LIFE
>Living is Europe is living in a Utopia
>>70560565
I, too, believe we should repent for the sins of others.
>>70561610
I live in a western country where 50% of people are nonwhite and almost everything Faggot Columbine bowling asshat stated applies
>>70560565
Just like how everyone in America should feel ashamed for slavery? O:-)
>>70561704
Watch the movie
>>70562264
It has more to do with history not repeating itself.
German learned from persecuting minors.
Murrica is still persecuting minors. You see the problem FAGGOT
>>70560515
Hey idk if you are still lurking but how long does it take for the 3 weeks vacation to kick in? Is it available immediately/within the first 6 months or is it something like a year for you to "put in your time and earn it"
>>70560699
What is with some of you guys and sociology? does it sound too much like socialism or something?
Although most of the people who were involved in WW2 are dead, they definitely were alive long enough to teach their kids fucked up ideologies. So many ideas and perspectives can still be shaped after the fact in so many ways.
Until it's barely historically visible, WW2 still needs to be addressed in order to make later generations of past mistakes.
I hear there's a few other countries with this learning difficulty.
>>70566243
Those are all hypothetical. In practice they aren't applied.
>>70564805
Nah execution was great
>>70566810
>>70566586
Why do murricans think europe is nothing but white people? Are they that stupid. Where I live non whites outnumber white people and country is doing fucking terrifically
>>70560565
>>70560565
This DESU
>>70560032
so... where to invade next? legit question for the united staters. i think south america is due, don't you think? reclaim your back yard. haha.
>>70560032
Why is this annoying Jew so fucking smug
>>70567241
history always repeats itself
>>70567399
Europe used to be almost exclusively white people.
And the majority of the population is still white.
You probably leave in part of the city full of non whites, but the country survives because the white majority works, pays taxes and keeps it on its feet.
When the non whites will inevitably become majority countrywide, the place is pretty much fucked, like the countries they came from.
Norfag here, Europe is generally like that. It's no secret that Americans are getting screwed.
That said, you could kick all of our asses with your hands tied.
>>70567402
Eastern Europe here, people literally riot every week against government meddling, so no
>>70567506
Michael Moore is pretty anti-Israel, wants to boycott it
Also he's Irish, not Jewish
>>70567318
There's a difference between teaching people that something is wrong, and telling them they should feel bad because someone they are loosely related to was involved with it.
Why should Joe Hillbill, a postman in Alabama feel bad because he lives in a country that not only introduced the concept of nuking civilian populations, but then went on to make it a fun pop culture trope?
Why should Herman Scheissmeister, a man who's running a little family inn/hotel in the northern Alps that was founded by his Great, Great Grandfather, feel bad about being a citizen of a country that is viewed as a real life James Bond villain?
Sure, Herman should be told that Uncle Albert was kind of a little shit, going out of his way to sell out the neighbours who had 1/16th Jewish blood in them, and Joe should know that his dad's cousin Jimmy was being an insensitive prick when he decided that playing "Atom Bomb Baby" with his garage band was a good idea at a party held by Japanese-Americans as a reunion from the concentration camps they were all in during WW2.
That doesn't mean Joe or Herman should be made to feel personally responsible for what they didn't do, else you end up with a bunch of people who feel prosecuted by oppressive people who are much better off than them, and think that rallying behind a guy who's going to make everyone else pay for what they did, like it's a great idea.
>as usual, the french offered little resistance
HOW WILL FRANCE EVER RECOVER?!
>>70560032
>>70560032
>>70568373
>>70561610
>Youth unemployment
>Youth
That's a funny way say Muslims. Nobody will ever hire a Mohammed no matter how hard the government tries to hide backgrounds of job applicants.
The reason why it works in Europe because European countries are monolithic countries. They identify as Germans, Brits, French and etc. The people have a common trust between its government and others. It's easy to build a foundation and socialism when you are all the same tribe.
The America is a melting pot of Anglo Saxons with mix of Italians, Irish, Polaks and Jews. Everyone have different backgrounds and nobody wants to give up their heritage. It would have been impossible to build a foundation to please everyone. They had to ensure that nobody gets special treatment.
That's why USA should avoid free health care and social welfare like the plague it is. It will not work unless the population is at least 99% same ethnicity. Having a wide ethnic background from Europe doesn't count as same ethnicity like crying liberals portray every European ethnicity as whites.
Latvia her (that small blip right of Russia). I stack shelves in a supermarket.
>shit ton of paid vacation as a worker
Four weeks a year. There's all sorts of holidays though.
>relaxed work environment
Unless you're in a cushy government job, nope.
>no standardized testing in public schools
Where the fuck did he get that form? All of Baltic countries have them.
>free healthcare
While the govt pays for most things, you still have to shell out the dough sometimes. Besides, patients who bribe their doctors get preferential treatment. Not to mention the service quality is often shit.
>they serve real food instead of the prison grade food we get here in public schools.
It's real food, yeah, but nothing special. Our produce is home-grown, so that counts for something, I guess.
>little to no private education
There is some, usually for rich kids.
>no tuition in higher education
Certain studies are funded by the govt, but there's a limit.
>>70568645
The fact is they will hire mohammeds.
THey already pay shit money for jobs, a mohammed will accept even less money, as he's accustomed to live like he did in his homecountry
>>70568537
>X is such a better country than the USA. USA is a pile of shit!
>Refuse to move to X
What do liberals mean by this?
>>70569235
Then why is the youth unemployment is so high with Muslims then?
I think you are mistaking mohammeds with Indians and Asians.
>>70560032
Germany here so not sure how much of this can be projected eastwards, but this is what you can do with some solid social democracy:
>shit ton of paid vacation as a worker
Usually its four weeks per year plus catholic and protestant holidays plus whatever you accumulate in overtime.
>relaxed work environment
Depends on your job obviously, but there is no real "Im the boss and you are nothing" mentality here.
>no standardized testing in public schools
Although there are some schools which offer non standardized tests (I dont think they are good but yt least theres a choice), most schools have them. I dont see how standardized tests could be bad though.
>they serve real food instead of the prison grade food we get here in public schools.
We had a cantina in highschool where you could buy food for around 3-4 Euro, which was pretty damn good and definitely real food. However most of us prefered Kebab for the same price and equally nutritous.
>little to no private education
You can pay for everything from elementary school to university but it wont necessarily give you any advantages other than maybe in economics where you could get better contacts and networking in a private uni.
>no tuition in higher education
Damn right. I pay 70 Euro per semester as a "solidarity payment" that should mostly cover material used and the likes. All actual tuition fees are completely being payed for by the state, since a few years ago. Before that at least here in bavaria it was still 500 per semester.
>Taxes are itemized on pay stubs indicating percentages.
Not quite sure what you mean, but if you earn more you pay more obviously. The more you earn the higher the percentage of what you earn is, too. Its also pretty transparent where the money goes to if thats what you mean.
>>70560032
I think you mean western europe
>paid vacation
yes, at least 30 days (august is a dead month anyway)
>relaxed
in comparison with USA? yes
>no standard
depends on the country: they do it here but they don't matter for the student, just for the school
>food
my school went from 8 to 13, never had school food. But yes, those that have are usually better than murrica
>private school
only if you are really bad and need it to pass grade
>taxes
depends on the country
>>70560032
If Michael Moore can make a film, I can make a film.
>>70561704
public school are mostly good: after all only a little aprt of europe have black/poor ghettos in the city
>>70560168
how did america become known as the land of opportunity again
really good marketing?
>>70564041
american really makes me laugh
>For example "free healthcare" means that 1) you pay for it monthly out of your salary, 2) you have to wait for a year for a simple test/xray/whatever if you don't pay privately, 3) if you ever need surgery or anything it's expected to somehow pay thousands of euros somewhere if you don't want to die on the operating table, but if you're not connected enough you don't even know who to pay and how
1- no, you just pay normal taxes
2- if it's something urgent they will do it as soon as you need. Privates are not expansive because of this
3- of course no , public hospital are really fucking good
>>70560565
>what did you do during ww2?
>i wasn't born back then sir
>it's funny how many germans make that claim these days...
I messed up that quote, but the message remains the same.
>>70568118
>nobody in the France segment talked even one word of english
as expected from Frogs
>>70570367
>if it's something urgent they will do it as soon as you need
Tell it to my mom who died of cancer because she had to wait for almost a year for tests and then another year for first surgery.
>>70570808
I can't, she's dead.
Michael Moore always makes the same movie
>waah the US is this way and other countries are different!!!!
I'm more amazed that someone actually funds him to show that kids in Europe get free lunch in school and there are workers rights. Who could've known?
I don't even work. I just make money off of rental properties. It's pretty good desu.
>travel to 95% White nations
>wow look at everything and how good it is
>go back to your 40% shitskin diversity cockfest of a country
>we should all learn from them xDD
Moore is a fucking dumb-ass who won't accept the truth when it's staring him right in the face. Like criticizing Congress for being bloated, slow and corrupt and simultaneously praising it for being the most diverse in history.
poland here
>partly true, but still less than western europe
>not true really
>completely false, your final test in HS decides where you can go to college
>true, but public healthcare comes with long waits and worse standards usually (but still very decent for a poorfag)
>kinda, private schools are for fags. Private colleges are for retards
>if you are good, you get on the free course, if you are bad, you might still get on a paid course
>no idea what internized taxes are
>>70572845
I hear Poland has cheap housing and some of the best women. Also, the ratio is like 5 to 1.
>>70560565
Ezekial 18:20
>>70570207
no, they really aren't. you're a gullible fool if you think otherwise
USA schools are best in the world
Moore is beyond retarded
>huuurrr authoritarianism is great, nothing should be privatized and the state should dictate all life
I want Michael Moore to suffocate.
>>70563559
No, instead, you have a shitty orwellian superstate called the EU.
>>70567399
Because you're a liar, and the only places in Europe where non-whites outnumber are shitholes by every measure possible. And if you think your country is doing great despite the existence of muslim enclaves like those found in the UK, then you are lying.
>>70560032
>tl;dr is Michael Moore full of shit, or does Eastern Europe provide a better standard of living as a whole?
Italy, France, Finland, Slovenia, Germany, Portugal, Norway, Tunisia, and Iceland
Eastern Europe? Typical uneducated americlap.
>>70560565
>all these butthurt replies
I thought we were supposed to feel eternally proud for things people related to me only by skintone did centuries ago. Shouldn't it work both ways?
>>70574237
Germany did nothing wrong.
