Why do people act like all the Starks are finished? Surely Ned had some cousins or distant relatives to continue on the Stark name.
>>70554471
Neds brother is still alive apparently
>>70554471
Jon Snow if legitimized, Bran is the de-facto heir right now, and is still alive, Rickon after him, Sansa and Arya if they go matrilineal, dornish style (the Mormonts do so), the Karstarks are direct relatives of the Starks, Benjen is Alive-ish...
Plus, in the books Robb's wife is alive and has a son, if I remember correctly.
Why do people act like D&D aren't just ripping off the Wheel of Time now? Did you see the last episode?
>>70555408
In fact, I don't know how the Karstark family has become the Bolton's lapdogs instead of pressing a claim on Winterfell. They could have the support of the houses that are still with the Starks.
>>70554471
I feel like this is bait
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/House_Stark#Family_Tree
>>70554500
"alive"
>>70555432
What did they rip off?
>>70554471
It is mentioned that a certain Skagos rebellion against Starks took place decades ago ASOIAF events, which resulted in large number of Stark deaths.
Ned's father was probably one of the few survivors, but then he had 3 sons and a daughter so the Stark line was secured again, until events of the books begun.
I'm not sure if Rickard Stark lost a bunch of brothers and uncles versus the Skagosi, or if it was the generation before that lost most of the living Stark males.
>>70555432
What? Martin begun writing ASOIAF 6 years after WOT came out.
Jordan's Daes Dae'mar (Game of Houses) more or less gave birth to Game of Thrones.
D&D are not the ones borrowing from Robert Jordan, it is Martin. They both appreciated each others writings.
>>70555533
Probably because the Boltons have the support of the crown while the North has too few fighting men left.
>>70555533
Because there has been zero succesful bottom-to-up claims in the history of Seven Kingdoms?
The only way to become a Warden is to have the Iron Throne appoint you.
>>70557354
Cringeworthy dialogue and shitty characters
>>70557989
Rand bending reality to light a pipe is better than Kelly C delivering a motivational speech to a horde of Dothraki.
>>70554471
the Karstarks(cousins) are working with the boltons
Same with the Baratheons. Why are the Lannisters the only ones who have cousins?
>>70559133
because the father of Tywin had a bunch of kids who lived long enough to have their own kids?
furthermore, the Lannister line is split between Lannisters of Casterly Rock and those of Lannisport.
some houses grow (Frey with 100 offspring at age over 90) and some families decline in size (House Arryn, House Baratheon). Like in real life, some last names vanish and others become more numerous.
sometimes old dynasties die out, and sometimes new cadet branches spread out and sometimes new dynasties are born out of conquest (Tully, Baratheon, Tyrell) or otherwise raised to nobility (Bronn of Blackwater, greatgrandpa Clegane who was a kennel-master)
in books Tyrells are big dynasty and Loras is like 3rd son of Mace, but in show he is represented as only son and heir.
in books Lannisters have even more cousins, aunts, uncles and distant relatives.
>>70557856
>>70557937
But the crown is weak, and Robert Baratheon did exactly just that. He conquered the crown and pressed a Targaryen claim of his grandmother, to be crowned King...
>Ser Davos of House Seaworth
is anyone in it besides him?
>>70562170
He had kids. They died at the Blackwater, although I think he still has some spares left in the books.
Only one of his kids are dead. It just seems a lot worse than it is for them.
>>70555533
witnessed
When a ruler dies without any heirs, how far removed can a person be from a ruler's lineage before they decide it's too far for them to have a legitimate claim?
For Instance: King James inherited from Queen Elizabeth because Elizabeth's grandfather, Henry VII, was James' great-grandfather and the rest of Henry VII's line had gone extinct. Would he still have inherited if Henry VII were his great-great-grandfather or even his great-great-great grandfather?
>>70560176
Robert's ancestery wasnt the reason he was crowned king, he just used it to help the plebs accept him faster.
He won the crown by the right of conquest
>>70555408
Nope she thought she was taking fertility potions but her mom lied and it was moon tea apparently
>>70555408
>the Mormonts do so
No they don't. Jeor ruled it first, but when he joined the Nigth's Watch, Jorah, his son, became lord. When Jorah was exiled, his aunt Maege, the sister of Jeor, became the new ruler. Maege died in the Red Wedding along with her oldest daughter Dacey, and because she has only daughters, the oldest surviving daughter is now ruling Bear island. If Maege had a living son, he would be the new lord even if he had older sisters.
>>70563115
>Maege died in the Red Wedding
In the show continuity maybe. She's definitely alive in the novel series but hasn't been heard from since Robb sent her off on some assignment I can't remember shit about.
>>70563166
You're right, I forgot all about that.
>>70562502
>When a ruler dies without any heirs, how far removed can a person be from a ruler's lineage before they decide it's too far for them to have a legitimate claim?
Depends on the opinions and ambitions of the lower lords. In real terms succession isn't determined by laws or the decrees of the (former) King. For example upon the death of Edward the Confessor his rightful heir was his distant cousin Edgar the Ætheling, but the throne ended the king ended up being his brother-in-law, and the most powerful of the Saxon lords, Harold Godwinson.
Another is the origins of the 100 Years War when the lords of France, disturbed at the thought of being ruled over by the late king's closest male relative, the King of England, they decided instead to put into power a fairly distant (and French) cousin as King.
>>70558113
Best series.
>>70557526
IIRC about 4 generations back there were a bunch of Stark men who died childless.
>>70555533
Kinslaying by stupid Robb Stark. He should have let him live. Glad the Starks dead, muh honor fuck em'. Long live the Lannistrians
