what was the point behind the car crash scene?
>>70435928
seemed like they were just trying to make sure something bad happened to the badguy
>>70435928
Chigurh is getting kind of old and now he realizes there truly is No Country for Old Men
>>70435928
To see little boys take their clothes off
>>70435928
it's in the fucking tagline you faggot jesus christ.
>>70435928
that evil has the will to persist through disaster
Chigurh was memeing the whole movie about chaos, determinism, etc and then he got memed on himself
>>70435928
He seemed so infallible and organized to the point of compulsion.
Then some shit nobody could control comes about and fucks his shit up.
Also, his interactions with the kids show he's evil only to those he's assigned to kill. It elaborates on how much of a psychopath he was.
Non-story based: It was a memorable shocking twist.
Are you stupid? Did you miss the entire point if the film?
>>70436076
only good answer itt
>>70436087
this
>>70436115
there was a point?
>>70436115
>the entire point if the film
That there is no country for old men?
The joker got joked on.
>>70436076
this
chigurh is like oh i'm a fatalistic deterministic badass ooooh i'm so fucking cool and then the actual randomness of the universe fucks him in the face
>>70436087
>Also, his interactions with the kids show he's evil only to those he's assigned to kill. It elaborates on how much of a psychopath he was.
He was evil and a psychopath. He gave money for the shirt because of his supposed "rules", yet didn't hesitate to betray the man who hired him by going after the money himself.
>>70436087
this. Chigurh believes that he is in full control, as long as he adheres to a set of rules (hence the coin toss). The camera clearly shows us that he is checking the traffic lights before driving over that intersection - and still he has an accident.
>>70435928
I know everyones all HURRR LIFE IS CHAOTIC DURRR BRAVO COENS but i watched it again recently and i thought this prettty cool
so when he kills the wife at the end she refuses to call the coin, cause chigurh says it's up to the coin. "it's just you, it always has been" or something she says. so he kills her and makes him break his entire justification system. So although he gets away, he's been psychologically crippled by it, hence the car crash
pretty cool right? anyway that's just my opinion
>>70435928
To show his mortality. Even if he is a force within the movie, a mostly unstoppable force who leaves death in his wake, he still bleeds and can be surprised
>>70436076
Correct
>mfw plebs itt miss the entire point of his character
>>70435928
Even though he saw himself as a force of nature imparting judgement even he isn't impervious to fate.
Did he get away with the money?
>>70436154
Read some Yeats
>>70436375
He died from internal hemorrhaging.
>>70436375
I don't think so, the mexicans took it from llewellyn iirc
>>70436087
.
>Also, his interactions with the kids show he's evil only to those he's assigned to kill.
Why did he shoot the bird on the bridge then?
>>70436087
he only couldn't avoid the car crash because he wasn't focused after he killed the girl even though she refused to call the coin. its autism to the nth degree.
>>70435928
>"This country's hard on people, you can't stop what's coming, it ain't all waiting on you. This is no country for old men."
Are you fucking serious.
>>70436409
You're all over the place. I don't know what you're talking about
A reminder to all of us to obey the traffic signals and always drive defensively.
I like how he insists on that kid taking his money almost forcefully.
>>70436484
it's the rules
>>70436087
Well he was hardly in a position to do any harm to the kids. In that moment he was desperate. That's why he treated them like that. Chigurh is pretty clearly evil otherwise
>>70435928
This scene is a conventional, but certainly not wholly gratifying comeuppance for this permutation of the Coens' Unstoppable Evil trope. This (the car crash) is by far the most grievous injury that Anton sustains in the film, but as far as the movie informs us, Anton is literally still walking, still standing, and still slipping detection when last we see him. The other anons' points about the film's title and tagline are a bit of a meme by now, but they are also well-taken. None of the three principals is a spring chicken.
The motionless body of the other motorist, whom we are to assume is dead (but which we do not see in detail, and therefore have an ambiguity) can be construed as Anton's final victim, whether he actually died or not. Anton's trail of death therefore amounts to anywhere from 11 to 16 bodies (or thereabouts, I'd have to re-count, it's been a while). The /scale/ of the killing is therefore a repetition of the original standoff scene, which itself consists of about a dozen bodies and a dog. In the world of this hard country, violence begets itself very radidly and predictably, repeating itself in rhyme.
Even the body of the final motorist is part of a rhythmic device within Anton's block of killings themselves. The spaces that we repeatedly inhabit over the course of the film are motel rooms, streets, various types of offices, and cars. Recall that Anton dispatches four or five men in or near their vehicles. He even "kills" a /vehicle/ itself as a diversion at one point. All this death, so close to cars themselves, even mirrors the number of vehicles from the original standoff site.
jesus fucking christ guys
>>70435977
your a fucking moron dude
You got a bone stickin our of yer arm.
>>70436076
His entire character was based around chaos, and it can happen to anyone at anytime. I thought Cohen brother pussed out, because Chigurh should have died in the car crash. That would have been way more powerful getting that message across.
>>70436582
suh dude
What happens in the book?
The scene with TLJ and that old guy is top fucking notch tbqhwy lads
>>70436610
sorry, not impressed by your shitty movie
>>70436668
Yeah captain America was way more awesome tight?
>>70435928
he was meant to be an agent of fate
if you fail the coin toss you die. llewelyns wife refused the coin toss but he killed her regardless. He cheated fate so fate punished him with the car crash
Why did this peanut wrapper shot work so god damn well?
Is it because of the absence of any soundtrack so the sound of it unwrapping adds to the tension in the scene?
I love little details like this which I can't decipher why I like them so much
>>70436147
That would be a yes, then.
>>70436668
ok well how about you go eat a boat you dickcheese
>>70436692
No man, No Country for old men was like, so deep man, like chigurhh was like chaos and had rules and stuff and then like, stuff happened and it was like pottery
>>70436668
>>70436692
both of you are on the same level of stupid with posts like that
>There are people itt right now who think Llewellyn is the main character
>>70436087
>assigned to kill
he played by his own rules
>>70436087
More to the point he's not mindlessly evil, nor does he kill if not necessary
>>70436742
>mfw you actually unironically watch capeshit
>>70436828
Yes he does. Like three times during the movie. There's also TLJs entire monologue at the beginning where he talks about senseless, motiveless evil (referring to chigurh)
>>70435928
It was an inversion of expectation.There were survivors.
>>70436828
>More to the point he's not mindlessly evil, nor does he kill if not necessary
not mindlessly evil and not necessary by his twisted standards. killing the people he carjacked probably wasnt necessary, or carla jean
>>70436742
I love when plebs don't like a certain movie that is considered as great from every aspect by all the credible people, so they feel the need to post how all of the people in the thread that enjoyed the movie are just pretending that they liked it to feel like they are "patrician", and so the pleb justifies his insecurity where he didn't "get" or enjoy a movie so ofcourse everyone else is pretending and he is the real truth revelear
Top kek my dear friend
>>70436922
I think you mean subversion
>>70436296
This
and as others have said, to show that even the agents of chaos can also fall victim to it
He's losing his touch, hence the title.
>>70436791
i do. he was the most interesting one anyway. it's infuriating how they wrote his death
>>70436076
>>70435928
to show that he's not some invincible agent of fate like he likes to think of himself as
>>70436942
This exact thing happened in another thread earlier with 2001. Some twat claimed people only like because they're "supposed to". /tv/ is full of fucking plebs
>>70436942
You don't even need to "get" it to enjoy it.
>>70435928
To show that he was basically invincible and even in an extreme situation he could find a way out, an escape.
And also that he was not immune to everyday life, stupid shit happened to him too.
He believes he is a tool of fate, which is sealed and unstoppable.
The wife at the end refuses to play his game, even though it would give her a chance to live. She forces him to choose to kill her of his own accord and not chock it up to fate.
The car accident could be seen in two ways: fate snapping back on him for directly choosing to kill the wife, or a final confirmation that he is a man in a random universe and the system he's used to justify his murders is starting to fall apart. Chigurh is either beginning to realize the wife is right and it's all him, or the car accident is only going to re-cement his belief in fate. It's open-ended.
It amazes me how many people have the point of this story fly completely over their heads. Half the people that like it don't even get it.
>>70437071
enlighten us
>>70436942
you're the ones bitching when someone doesn't repeat the same thing said over and over and over again. no one is saying you're pretending. no one cares if you like it. you all are making a lot of stuff up, though
>>70437093
Google it. I'm not about to write a God damn essay
>>70437057
>He believes he his a tool of fate. his game
He didn't give a coin toss to all the mexican gangsters, or the cop or the guy in the car (or others)
So it does seem he adheres to some kind of morality or rule system other than a coin toss
>>70437137
you said enough, poser, give me the excerpt
>>70437137
>omg its 2deep4u fggtz
>google it like I did
wew lawd
at least some people try and come up with their own conclusions
>>70437161
He wasn't exactly in a position to give the whole coin toss spiel in those situations
>>70437190
The Sheriff is the main character. There's your first hint
>the boy takes his shirt off
>>70437161
he only coin tosses for 1v1s
>>70437161
That falls more under his "fate has put these people in the path of a natural disaster; me *adjusts fedora*" thing.
He had to seek out the wife, who had done nothing, and choose to kill her. The coinflip was his way of chocking those questionable kills up to fate.
What could Llewellyn have done?
>transfer money to new package
>find and dispose of transponder
>???
>>70436424
He missed. It's a reference to cold hand luke. Read a whole article on the scene! Could try find it if you are interested?
>>70437296
>>70437333
>only for 1v1
>the wife had done nothing
okay like I said, how about the guy he stole the car from? He was innocent and it was a 1v1 on an empty road
>>70437397
>give bag to police
>go home
>>70437451
That was 2v1 because cars are treated as entities.
>>70437451
Again, that falls under the force of nature mindset.
He sought out the wife and went way out of his way. He couldn't chock that up to fate without the coinflip. It stretched his beliefs too far.
>>70436969
Nice. Thanks anon.
>>70437453
>throwing away all that money
fucking moralfags
>>70437448
You mean chilly hand luke?
>>70437599
>throwing away all that money
he would've lived, and so would his waifu. That's one better than being dead (and not even getting the money anyway)
>>70437448
link
>>70437693
You could keep the money and live.
>>70435928
karma is what happened, do good things good things will happen to you. do bad things bad things happen to you.
My name is Earl.
>>70436619
Hm, I think him dying wouldn't have been better.
>>70435928
To show that even he can experience pain.
>>70435928
I have to disagree with people here, I think the scene, more specifically him not dying, shows that nothing can ever really harm sheer chaos and chance.
>>70436930
he did promise Llewellyn that he would kill her
>>70436521
I've just reviewed my DVD, so now I can develop my "car" observation a bit further.
The original Mexican Standoff location consists of something like 9-11 dead bodies, one dead dog, and exactly FIVE vehicles.
Anton not only kills /about as many/ (easily arguably a few more) people, together with the dog that Llewellyn puts down which again mirrors the above scene, but moreover, Anton trashes/kills the drivers of /about as many/ cars. Let's brainstorm:
-Anton kills a deputy, and abandons the deputy's car in favor of a white sedan.
-Anton kills the white sedan's motorist, and later torches that vehicle once he kills The Two Suits and gets their Brown Crossover-Thing.
-in the interim, Anton shoots the driver that Llewellyn accosts (and continues shooting at Llewellyn), banging up that pickup quite a bit.
-later, Anton explodes a Blue Sedan for a diversion.
-much later, Anton breaks down in the Brown Crossover-Thing and swaps for the Chicken Coop Pickup.
-Somehow, Anton ditches for another Sedan. This is what he's driving when the Station Wagon (and its motorist) collide with him.
so I come up with 8 cars that Anton is involved in trashing, somehow. of which the final two are a sort of afterthought, or coda. The point being not a hard count, but that a bunch of vehicles are destroyed over the course of the film, which mirrors the site of the original standoff.
>>70437908
Give this guy some internets. He gets it.
>>70437898
and that's why they died.
You found a truffle-bag of money, and 7 slain mexican corpses around it.
They have fine quality guns.
You have been camping 20 km from your home when you stumble upon this find, what do you do?
>>70438392
He didn't think to look for transponder.
He was dumb enough to go back and try and give mexican water.
>>70438400
take the money out of the bag, leave a few notes in, then burn the bag, and leave a few half burnt notes lying around it. then walk home but lightly so i dont leave heavy prints. this will be sure to confuse them
>>70438400
Nowadays, go back home, get a bag and giant magnet
Then take money into my bag after magneting it
Back then, take home bag, take money out of bag and put on floor, find transponder and destroy it
Simple after watching the movie
>>70438699
heavy prints? wow, are you a polar bear on melting ice, the footsteps dont matter, what matters in throwing away the shoes after
>>70437333
He kills Llewellyn's wife because he made a promise to him over the phone that if he brought him the money he'd spare his family and only kill him. Llewellyn turned down his offer and Chigurgh went to make good on his promise.
He offers her the coin flip because, "It's the best I can do." Meaning the best chance he can give her is to put her life in the hands of fate. She rejects this notion and says, "There's no coin. There's just you."
Chigurgh wants to see himself as an agent of fate, a natural force like death. But, Carla Jean turns that around on him and points out that he's only trying to relieve himself of the responsibility of his actions. Sure, he's hired to get the money and track Llewellyn, but he's also the one making the decision to pull the trigger each time.
This is a really obvious message in the movie.
>>70438777
or you could steal one of the dead mexicans' shoes and walk backwards
>>70438400
Go home.
Whole point of the movie was it wasn't worth it.
>>70439077
*sensible chuckle*
>>70436619
No, because that would have been final and conclusive, which the whole idea of "chaos" never is. It's meant to show that Chigurh will get what's coming to him one day, and that even a philosophy of regarding no system of laws or philosophies (e.g. running through the red light) won't protect you for long.
Woody Harrelson didn't call the coin flip either tho so shouldn't something have happened to him there too?
>>70435928
It was in the book.
>>70435928
critical stop
catastrophic error
>>70436375
He died of memes
>>70440554
e.g
http://www.history.com/topics/challenger-disaster/videos/engineering-disasters---challenger
>>70436472
Looks like a Polish lunchlady in a summer dress
>>70435928
He's the man with all the answers. He believes in balancing control and fate. His ideas of controlling fate are challenged when he confronts Llewellyn's wife Carla Jeanand after killing her he experiences and walks away from a car crash.
He believed himself as some superior, unstoppable force of death, and he would kill in a "humane" manner as if he was a rancher and he was in control of eliminating supposedly inferior targets he equated with cattle.
The car crash breaks that belief and brings him back to the level of (or below the level of) the men he thought himself better than. When he bought the shirt off of the kid it was a direct comparison to when Llewellyn was injured after the hotel confrontation and headed to Mexico.
>>70435928
Shit happens.
