During a heated battle with Ultron, Hawkeye quips about his seeming inadequacy compared to the other Avengers.
“We’re fighting an army of robots — and I have a bow and arrow,” he says. “None of this makes sense.”
“That line is in there because, at some point, someone has to say it — because if you don’t, the audience doesn’t know that you know,” Whedon says of the “Age of Ultron” zinger. “When the audience knows that the characters feel the same way they’d feel about it, it connects them. It’s actually a very important throwaway line.”
http://nypost.com/2015/04/25/the-top-5-geek-out-moments-in-avengers-age-of-ultron/
>>70432357
He's a mysoginist who raped a female character
>>70432357
Because rubbing the stupidity of what you're seeing right in your face is the mark of genius. Not the ultimate confession of shitty filmmaking.
who cares about fucking capeshit
Buffy and Angel are still good shows
You can get the same effect with a facial expression from a good actor. Or you can always assume the viewer is an idiot.
I was just [trying to] watch this flick yesterday. There was another line in the first few minutes like this, when hawkeye is getting repaired: Black widow quips something like "the illusion of needing you is what keeps the team together."
I think I turned it off right then actually, threw me out of it. I don't think the world needs a cinematic universe that can't even take itself seriously. If you can't make hawkeye work then write him out. There is an endless stock of marvel avengers timelines to use in these films, and they've already proven themselves comfy with changing everything they fucking want.
Ultron was an ass villain, and that civil war film was so disgustingly inferior to the narrative of the comics I cringed my way through. Whole thing was supposed to start with the bombing of a school.
Whatever, I'll stop the neckbeard rage. Capeshit is great if you turn your brain off.
>>70432357
Being vaguely self-aware doesn't make you a genius.
Hawkeye would never mock himself in that way. Hawkeye as a character was always defined by having a massive chip on his shoulder from people doubting his abilities compared to the other Avengers, and was always fervently yearning to show them up and prove his skill level with his bow put him at the same level as the other Avengers. He would always come through with a tremendous dramatically places trick shot that would be a decisive moment, turning the tide of the battle.
>>70432898
>BW making fun of Hawkeye
Hypocrite
>>70432357
Numales can't grow thick beards
>>70432357
did you mean hacker?
>>70432492
>who cares about fucking capeshit
>Buffy and Angel are still good shows
mate...
>>70432357
>a very important throwaway line
operative word being throwaway
I want to see Apatow and Whedon fight to the death bare handed in an arena where if they refuse to fight, they will both be drowned to death in boiling oil
That's the only conceivable entertainment I see these two people producing.
>>70432432
You know that's not true and I don't see why you've posted it.
>>70432456
It's called a lampshade and it's an essential tool of dramatic writing.
>>70432492
Everything Whedon has ever done was good, including and especially Dollhouse.
>>70432526
This isn't a French New Wave film it's a tentpole and whatever you think there's nothing wrong with increased accessibility. Not everyone in an audience will be staring at the actors' faces every second, some will be checking phones or talking to each other. A line of dialogue drives everything home.
>>70432898
Nothing wrong with a popcorn film, elitist.
>>70432946
Being a third-generation writer gives you a leg up on being a complete and total master of the craft, though.
>>70432952
MCU Hawkeye would, and given the comparative audience he's the one who matters. Deal with it.
>>70433089
I want to see you take a bath, lose 50 stone and go outside.
I'm provoking a bunch of losers even though I'm vastly superior to all of them in every aspect. None of this makes sense.
>>70433816
>>I'm provoking a bunch of losers even though I'm vastly superior to all of them in every aspect. None of this makes sense
who, exactly, are you talking to in this sentence?
>>70432357
Or you could have good writing so you don't need all the "look, we pointed it out, we know this is stupid, that makes it okay for some reason" shit.
>>70433816
>It's called a lampshade and it's an essential tool of dramatic writing.
Any Troper Tales you want to share, lad?
>>70432357
>>70432432
>>70432492
Actually he's a feminist.
Buffy is a literal feminist in action, killing all those evil men called "vampires" in the plot. He's even admitted it.
>>70433816
Thanks, Joss.
>>70433976
>that oxford comma
nice touch anon
>>70434370
I have become increasingly interested in examining Joss Whedon’s work from a feminist perspective since I had a conversation with another lesbian feminist sister at the International Feminist Summit about whether Joss was a feminist. I am really quite shocked by how readily Joss is accepted as a feminist, and that his works are widely considered to be feminist. I decided to start re-watching Buffy: The Vampire Slayer and also to watch Firefly and the movie Serenity.
I have to say that now that I have subjected myself to the horror that is Firefly, I really am beyond worried about how much men hate us, given that this was written by a man who calls himself a feminist.
I find much of Joss Whedon’s work to be heavily influenced by pornography, and pornographic humour. While I would argue that there are some aspects of Buffy: The Vampire Slayer that are feminist and progressive, there is much that isn’t and I find it highly problematic that there are many very woman-hating messages contained within a show that purports itself as feminism. But Firefly takes misogyny to a new level of terrifying. I am really, really worried that women can call the man who made this show a feminist.
>>70432357
>I forget to mention everyone is my bitch
>>70434370
>Buffy is a literal feminist in action
and yet she spends about as much time worrying about pretty boys and being a moron who needs a cis white male to tell her what to do and hold her hand
silly rabbit dont you know everything is misogyny, especially the stuff made by 'feminists'
>>70432432
>>70434370
>Actually he's a feminist.
>Buffy is a literal feminist in action, killing all those evil men called "vampires" in the plot. He's even admitted it.
He likes to call himself a feminist but in reality he's just a femdom fetishist.
>Joss 'The Boss' puts /tv/ in their place once again
holy shit we just got owned
>>70434565
this will never get old
>>70434565
>#putdownthebow
lmao
you can force a trend
>>70432357
what do you expect from the guy that kills a character and then 2 seconds later throws all that drama and emotion out the window
>Make it dark, make it grim, make it tough, but then, for the love of God, tell a joke.
>>70434492
You should watch "Sucker Punch".
>>70434583
>He likes to call himself a feminist but in reality he's just a femdom fetishist.
this tbqh
Showing "girl power" doesn't really mean much when the "girl" has literal superpowers.
Ah, Joss Whedon... sensitive Joss Whedon.
That's what we should call him now: Sensitive Joss Whedon. Maybe even use an acronym.
>>70432357
LOOK AT THE TOP OF HIS HEAD
>>70434770
>>70434492
>8 sentences
>10 times the word "feminist"
Kill yourself.
>>70434492
>>70434561
If it wasn't clear I'll make some points for you
>buffy is stronger than any man
>everyone relies on her as the hero
>men are literal monsters with fangs who want to kill innocent girls
>buffy's attraction to angel, symbolizing how she struggles between personal desires and the fight for a greater good (killing men/vampires)
It really can't get more feminist than this.
I'm the one who should b triggered, but I don't care, I just find it kinda funny with how obvious it is. Always prefered Angel anyway.
>>70433816
>bunch of losers
>name one
>>70434858
yes he made it as a feminist show but like i said its still misogynistic, just like black widow and doll house and firefly(with its rape threat against the engineer)
even if some feminists call him a 'good ally' or whatever there have always been a number of feminists that call him out for his problematic 'empowering' shows, which is delicious because try as hard as he can he still gets called a sexist pig by the people he's trying to please
>>70435033
As I pointed out above, Whedon has a femdom fetish. And it shines through in all his work. A stick thin kung-fu princess that can dominate men physically but is emotionally damaged and vulnerable and always ends up needing to be saved by a a man describes so many of his supposedly strong female characters.
>>70435033
>>70434492
>>70434370
why did he get fired? i miss him
>>70434370
>be a feminist
>have the iconic male character of the show attempt to rape the lead female of the show
>play it off as 'we cool" a couple of episodes later
>>70434565
The butthurt, the sweet beautiful butthurt.
>>70432357
He also killed Quicksilver "for good" because he was bitter that Marvel brought Coulson back for TV.
He's a fucking manchild who cannot direct or write for shit. Marvel saw their mistake bringing him back. Avengers 1 made money because of hype.
>>70434978
Make one comment and suddenly the jerk offs appear in droves.
>>70435812
What a fucking massive nigger he is.
>>70435646 >>70434710 >>70434631 >>70434619 >>70434583 >>70434565 >>70434489 http://www.etonline.com/news/163350_chris_evans_and_jeremy_renner_call_black_widow_a_slut_and_anger_marvel_fans_then_apologize/ > When the interviewer asks about Natasha (Black Widow) being with Bruce Banner instead of Renner or Evans' characters, Renner responds, "She's a slut." >"I was going to say something along that line," Chris Evans laughs loudly at Renner's remarks and echoes, "She's a complete whore."
>>70435814
>Make one comment
inb4 >>>70434819
>>70434492
>since I had a conversation with another lesbian feminist sister
If you're really a lesbian you should just quit feminism and noone will have a problem with you any more. Noone cares about lesbians, because you don't want men to do your work for you.
The issue with feminists is they want to keep the holy position of the traditional wife, without actually having the virtues she was praised for.
The world doesn't work like that. You get what you deserve, because you earn it, not because you feel entitled to it. Feminism is no better than white supremacy, thinking your skin color somehow entitles you to a higher position in society. Being a female does not automatically entitle you to anything. You need to earn it.
>>70435033
>he made it as a feminist show but like i said its still misogynistic
Luckily that word doesn't translate into my native language...
>>70435646
>>be a feminist
>>have the iconic male character of the show attempt to rape the lead female of the show
>>play it off as 'we cool" a couple of episodes later
But that is exactly how the feminist victimization works. Wanting freedom from the rapist but not daring to actually go and get it from a fear of taking responsibility for themselves.
It's so much easier to let the rapist pay for you, especially if you're lazy.
>>70432898
>can't even finish 20 minutes of ultron
>still sees civil war
I don't understand you retards
>>70432357
What kind of name is "joss"? Why would his parents hate him that much? I have never heard that in my entire life except for that fat faggot.
>is your shield magic
>it defies the laws of physics
>hurr durr
GENIUS
>>70434492
Why don't you mention that you copied this from a black feminist on live journal. This was written like 10 years ago.
Post the part where they say Joss rapes his wife.
>>70436666
Damn. I got quads. Heres the lj entry.
http://users.livejournal.com/_allecto_/34718.html
These sjws are fucked in the head.
>>70436091
>Noone
>>70435767
Why are the royal family laughing at 9/11
>>70436631
>that thing does not obey the laws of physics at all
that isn't even a quip it's an observation, probably a fourth wall one.
also Spider-Man is supposed to "quip" he's a superhero kid who can be this new person in a suit.
>>70433816
>Not everyone in an audience will be staring at the actors' faces every second, some will be checking phones or talking to each other. A line of dialogue drives everything home.
And there we have a summation of what is wrong with cinema these days ... the fucking retarded audience's low test standards.
We shouldn't be rewarding shit writing and pandering. When has that ever brought about the best results?
>>70434565
Did something happen in the movie that precipated this? I haven't seen it
>>70436666
>Why don't you mention that you copied this from a black feminist on live journal
because that ruins the post
>>70438001
A beautiful national pastime
>>70438001
>>70442158
Wonderful, national pastime
>>70440855
For what i understand, in the movie Black Widow needs to be rescued, its discovered that it really makes her suffer that she can´t have babies, and some people in the cast call her a slut because she has sleep with 3 or 4 of the male avengers.
>>70432898
>Whole thing was supposed to start with the bombing of a school.
So, a conflict only starts if it's about children blowing up?
>>70432357
IT'S STUPID BUT WE KNOW IT'S STUPID
GENIUS
>>70442781
Kek
>>70442781
>>70440855
No, it was Renner jokingly feigning envy and bitterness that Black Widow chose Hulk over Hawkeye in the movies. When asked about it he acted upset and called her a slut; Evans, obviously getting the joke as he's not an autist laughed too and called her a whore.
Jokingly feigning bitter jealousy on his character's behalf. Only an actual idiot would get offended by it.
>>70432357
Joss whedon was a mistake, a complete abortion and the only good thing he has done was start the Cinematic Universe trend.
The Avengers is an overrated blockbluster with no tension or drama at all, if this was another time it would get a 6/10 and it's sequel a 4/10.
He ruined Marvel, he set the quippy tone that it's killing those movies, you can thank him for making all of them safe and formulaic clusterfucks, he doesn't care about continuity, he doesn't respect what happened in the other movies.
He thinks a character is only good when you make him a clown. ¿Why? because he is extremely inefficient at making dramatic scenes and because he doesn't give a shit about the characters and what they represent.
You can give The Avengers to any other filmmaker and they can do a better job than this so-called feminist.
Fuck you, Whedon, fuck you.
>>70432898
>first half of this post
sensible, has a point, thought provoking
>civil war was so inferior to the narrative of the comics
>having THIS shit of taste
stop it
