Why are DC movies so bad?
>>70390630
ebin
They're competing with Heavy Weights.
because they're trying to reproduce TDK, with none of the factors that made TDK successful
>>70390630
Snyder is only good when he has solid source material
See: Watchmen
>>70390699
>watchmen in either format
>good
I can't stop laughing
stick to videogames and music, /v/
Because the people that make DC movies don't care about making good movies.
They just tell people to make movies, throw some money at it, and they know retards will stlil go out to see them and the movie will make hundreds of millions of dollars. Look at BvS. It's shit. Retards saw it anyway. And it's made 100s of millions of bucks.
Same principle behind Michael Bay movies.
>>70390630
Man of Steel, Batman v Superman, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight and Watchmen are better than anything in the MCU, honestly.
>>70390630
Nolan's Batman movies are what brought capeshit to the level of quality movies. They where and continue to be the best capeshit movies out there.
>>70390726
>Literally describing MCU films.
>>70390630
anyone posted this on snyders or dc twitter and got a response?
>Marvel nu-males hate Snyder
I'm not surprised. After all, their idols are Peyton Reed and Joss Whedon.
Seeing an alpha male like Zack Snyder causes them to remember how they were bullied by an alpha male and uncomfortable and lash out the only way they know how - impotently typing out hateful words on a Japanese jpeg board. Some, like Ant-Man director Peyton Reed when shown a statement from a capeflick rumor monger saying "DC directors can physically beat up Marvel directors," choose to withdraw into safe spaces instead. It's little wonder why /tv/ connects with Marvel more.
Snyder directs in sweatpants and Under Armour wristbands.
If that's not badass I don't know what is. Nerds can't stand that an alpha auteur is in control of their products, and he's elevating them to heights their puny brains can't comprehend. They can't stand that someone who appears on the outside as a manchild with a comic book fetish, is pushing the medium further than they thought possible.
Snyder, Affleck, and Cavill get the bitches and gays all juicy. They are just ripe with raw sexual energy. This offends the virginal fanboi. MoS and BvS deal with emotional issues and belief systems in a mature way. This doubly offends the fanboi, who is stuck in perpetual adolescence. They can't process or register mature emotions. And people hate what they don't understand.
>>70390731
Nothing you've listed is good you embryo
>>70390774
No.
MCU films are good.
If you don't think they are, well then you're probably one of the retards I'm talking about.
>>70390630
because you tip your fedora at night
>>70390792
It's time for bed Snyder, please turn off your laptop
>>70390787
Why are you pro-bullying?
>>70390805
>>70390805
>muh Disney
>muh quips
>muh infantile sentimentality and simple plots with zero substance
>"good"
>2 months
>still mad
Marvelettes will remain mad for the rest of their lives
>>70390792
those roid monkeys should be stunt men instead
>>70390630
why do marvel zealots defend films they have no stake in and whose productions they have nothing to do with, to the point that they author immature cartoons whose purpose is to gloat and posture over an imaginary achievement or victory?
>>70390795
>Marvel fanboy
>calls someone else an embryo
If you're over the age of 17 you have no excuse for enjoying Civil War. You are being spoon-fed shite whilst being told it's Belgian chocolate as you sit there with a shit-eating grin on your blackhead covered face.
>>70390899
27%
Why are Marveldrones proud of their infantile taste?
>>70390805
How old are you?
>>70390630
if you think their movies are bad have a look at their TV shows. Arrow is legendary.
>>70390792
>nu-males hate Snyder
They fucking love him you wannabe/pol/, /v/edditor
>>70390630
Good question OP, why are they bad? I haven't seen any evidence for that claim
>>70390630
Mostly the problem is the DCU is a panicked attempt to do what marvel did with dozens of movies in 3 movies. It will always feel rushed and incomplete, because it always will be as long as they're trying to jump start the entire universe over the course of 3 movies.
WB is afraid that they won't be able to compete with disney owning star wars and marvel, so they have to make a DCU, but the execs are insisting on timelines over the course of a few years, instead of over a decade.
>>70390699
Watchmen was a good comic and a terrible movie.
ITT
>>70390805
You actually believe this don't you... I'm so sorry anon
>>70390950
>>70390941
They struggle in the self awareness department.
>>70390907
>muh food analogies
Why do you expect some grand art piece from capeshit? Marvel is just the capeshit that delivers
>>70390941
I hardly know shit about comic books or capeshit movies, but I remember the Death of Superman comics in the 90s. Then they had Superboy, Cyborg Superman, That Steel Superman.
Is this next for the movies because I thought that was kinda cool.
DANCE OFF BRO
>>70390907
>They don't like my shitty batman hogwash, they must be marvel fans!!!
In fact i'd say the average marvel fan and the average batman fanboy share a lot of common thought. You plebeian retards are adorable. The best part is, people who like batman , actually think they have taste.
>>70390792
This, Marvel fanboys (and fangirls) are testosterone deficient children, this is why there is so much MCU gay art, why MCU heroes are all emotional faggots with snarky quips.
>>70391026
Here is the actual guide for authentic /tv/ posters
This was made after several years of capeshit studies on /tv/ unlike the other one
>>70390959
they're fucking sad and shit
people go to see movies to have fun and forget about life not to think
its about escapism
marvel don't take themselves seriously so their movies are a good time
dc try too hard and people want to see superheroes laugh and have fun not mope around and be all serious and shit
thats why marvel will always win dc are too sad and lonely
>>70390934
sounds about right
>being a 73%er
>>70391030
>plebeian
Insecure.
>>70391069
>be billionaire or literal god
>all the resources to solve all problems
>nah i'll just mope
brilliant
>>70390805
amazing
>>70391066
>Adam Sandler
>Kino
>>70391095
Is that the best you can do now that you've been curb stomped?
The Marvel Studios fandom is full of generic cunts who try to seem quirky and unique by identifying heavily with a slightly offbeat fandom such as the Marvel Cinematic Universe "But wait, that's actually incredibly mainstream and not offbeat at all!" you say. And you're right. But actual offbeat things don't give as much 'nerd' cred, and these things have more creative value than reality TV so people on Tumblr can make posts such as "Why are all girls nowadays such idiots who watch Jersey Shore? I'm very unique because I like nerdy intelligent stuff like Iron Man 3, and I like quirky men like Tom Hiddleston and Mark Ruffalo teehee, look at this repeating gif of 0.5 seconds of Loki doing a thing with his face and a theory about how all the Marvel movies are connected and Thanos is going to collect all the Infinity Gems except in the movies none of them are really "gems" at all and here is some fanart of all the Avengers gender swapped and with less sexist costumes and they all have the exact same fucking face with that bulbous red nose also did you know that I am a girl who likes superheroes I know it's hard to believe but it is true I AM AN AVENGERS look at this gif of Tony Stark raising his eyebrow, anyway The Avengers is sexist because Black Widow's costume is too tight and unrealistic for a special agent so here is a redesign of her in figure hiding combat fatigues because I am progressive. Does anyone else think that Hulk and Iron Man would make a good couple? TEE HEE I LOVE GAYS BECAUSE I AM SO TOTALLY NOT HOMOPHOBIC EVEN THOUGH I TREAT GAYS AS AN AMUSING NOVELTY Rocket Racoon for president!"
>>70391069
>people go to see movies to have fun and forget about life not to think
i wish i was underage like you
Crazy how in a handful of years DC can go from being dominant with the Dark Knight, widely acclaimed and the
most commercially successful, to panicking trying to force a universe
>>70390630
The Dark Knight is considered maybe the best superhero movie by a lot of people
>>70390630
Simply put, you have a low cinematic IQ, or some sort of Stockholm Syndrome, from overexposure to bland, safe, PC and soulless mass-produced blockbusters, which has conditioned you into accepting the absolute lowest common denominator standards in filmmaking, writing and cinematography as somehow acceptable, when you should in fact feel nothing but contempt or disgust for any Kevin Feige-conceived product.
Even strictly in the field of capeshit entertainment, where the bar has always been pretty low, since they're primarly a children media, the level of genuine quality and creative abilities (which comes from studios giving freedom to an auteur with a strong personality and vision towards the material) has kept dropping since the 90's.
When Raimi's Darkman/Spider-Man, Del Toro's Blade 2/Hellboy, Burton's Batman 2 or Bird's The Incredibles offered innovative and playful set pieces, meaningful and relevant themes, each with a very distinct, appropriate tone and truly cinematic aesthetics (simply compare the lighting or editing to today's equivalents), none of these qualities are to be found in Avengers or any of the previous MCU entries. This is why Edgar Wright got fired from Ant-Man. This is why Feige keeps hiring visionless point-and-shoot directors who come from TV or comedy, colorblind cinematographers and art/set design teams who seem to be in love with grey, sterile hangars for some unexplainable reason. Action scenes are now being conceived by CGI teams months before the movie begins shooting and all follow the exact same formula.
Even as a child, I couldn't imagine being dazzled or amused by those turds, as they're utterly devoid of any charm, colors, magic or imagination.
>>70391151
>PTA
>not kino
>>70390792
You REALLY didn't think the crossfit scene was cringe?
>>70391151
>guide for authentic /tv/ posters
>This was made after several years of capeshit studies on /tv/ unlike the other one
>>70391162
Insecure.
Marvel
>popular attractive actors with decent chemistry with one another, people enjoy seeing them interact out of costume as much as they like to see them in combat in costume
>cameos from heroes/Stan Lee
>continuous plot line over the span of several movies, personal investment in the characters
DC
>no one buys/wanted Affleck as Batman, many complain his character in the film doesn't act like Batman
>Cavill's Superman has the charisma of a wooden log
>one film to set up the "big" one
Marveldrones in shambles.
To sum it up:
Character-centric story is used to disguise plot holes by constantly promoting pleasure center of brain. The films are made by comic book lovers whose first major focus is to deliver comic book goodness. When you say in "Spiderman scenes were cool" then you are being impacted by what was just said.
This Spiderman is the "best Spiderman ever" because it was intentionally created to be that. The Sony movies intentionally did their own things with the character. Marvel Studios got Spiderman "right" not because by chance or luck or skill, they did it on purpose very meticulously. Sony "got it wrong" on purpose to fit their story. But Marvel didnt just got him right, not caring rather his appearance made any sense in the greater plot.
The scene of Peter and Tony in the apartment is a microcasm of the Phase 1 filmmaking philosophy that narrowed in crafting wonderful filled out characters that audiences could love. Same with Black Panther. Meanwhile the rest of the characters operate on 'assumed empathy' not just for the characters, but for Marvel Studios themselves. This is the reason why the actual nitty gritty of the plot to Civil War is such an afterthought. The plot is doing no service to the characters and isnt meant to. Because of this, youll see that neither Captaim America or Iron Man actually have a character arc in the movie. They are stable a static because Marvel doesnt want to mess with your assumption of them. Meanwhile Spiderman and Black Panther are new so they actually received development.
Bottom line: if you dont love the characters and pulpy action and humor, youll see past them to the shoestring story.
>>70391230
>which has conditioned you into accepting the absolute lowest common denominator standards in filmmaking, writing and cinematography as somehow acceptable
Could you show us some examples of things that excel at these?
Make sure you use youyube videos(scenes not reviewers you agree with), webms, detailed explanation
A posting of one of those trash sophomoric "cinegrid" is an automatic label of low cinema IQ
thanks mate
>>70390630
>>70391230
Stop being a pretentious douche
Unlike Marvel, who repackages the same generic macguffin-plot into a new movie every year while stopping only to change the actors and dialogue to keep up with the newest tumblr obsessions and reddit memes, DC's films are actually attempting to be visually and tonally distinct in an effort to elevate the superhero genre from mediocre blockbuster garbage to artistic tales weaving themes of morality and sacrifice into monumental and dynamic epics on screen while also questioning the very essence of what society deems a 'hero'. The difference is honestly night and day; during a Marvel movie the viewer is more likely to gobble down popcorn while during a DC film the viewer will likely take out a pen and paper and start taking notes.
>>70391323
Is that the best you can do now that you've been curb stomped?
>MCU
>movies you can actually have a good time watching, fun with pleasant characters and cool visuals
>Snyder Capeshit
>bland, pseudo-intellectual garbage that mixes pandering to the capshit masses and pandering to the self-indulgent philosophy majors that couldn't understand subtley if it bit them in the ass
MCU isn't great, but I'd gladly take it over Snyder's big-budget hack bullshit.
>all this DCuck pastas
you should apply to work with WB, maybe their movies will finally git gud
Marveltard mass suicide when?
http://www.hypable.com/how-to-write-every-marvel-movie-ever/
>>70390792
>anti numale
>supports david ayer and zack snyder
yikes city
you don't even understand the memes you want to be part of
>>70391436
mfw all the pastas are accurate
DC likes to please fans with their comics, and trigger them with their films. The opposite of Marvel.
>>70390731
Of those only Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are good movies. The others have nice ideas but they fail as actual movies.
Friendly reminder that dumbed down masses historically represent the majority of the world population.
But by all means, continue with your Marvel circlejerk to make you feel better about yourselves, if only for a little while. You can't hide from the fact that your mediocre and conformist lifestyles are drenched in banality and lack of ambition, and that you're celebrating the success of a faceless corporation as your own.
One more thing; why do Marveldrones fear what they don't understand?
Encountering the unknown reminds them of the ultimate unknown: death.
If a person is unsatisfied with their lives and feels inadequate they reject it out of fear of having to face their own mortality one day and realizing that they wasted their lives.
So instead of facing their inner demons they choose to cower in the warm and soothing but provisional embrace of escapism and ignorance, which is what Marvel flicks represents to them.
Have fun in your thread though.
>Captain America
>not even able to have a stand alone trilogy
>Batman
>1000 of stand alone movies
>>70391475
three of those films have a female getting raped in them.
>>70390630
Dark Knight trilogy is still best
>using Nolan when talking about MCU vs DCEU
DESPERATION
>>70391535
yeah but hes still supporting zacky boy and ayer whilst being anti numale
it makes no sense
>>70391627
especially the ayer part**
>>70391527
Marvel redefined the franchise model (something DC is trying to copy), they can do whatever they want with their characters
“Art is intrinsically meaningless,” says Ben Affleck. The primary theme of BvS' analysis of Sontagist camp is a mythopoetical totality. The characteristic theme of the works of Snyder is the common ground between society and language. But the premise of dialectic superheroism holds that the establishment is capable of social comment. The subject is interpolated into a social realism that includes narrativity as a whole.
“Society is unattainable,” says Kal-El. It could be said that Luthor uses the term ‘neomaterial desituationism’ to denote not sublimation, but presublimation. If social realism holds, the works of Snyder are an example
of purposeful superhero movies, also known as "capekino."
In a sense, Marveldrones promote the use of postdeconstructive objectivism to attack capekino. The subject is contextualised into a neomaterial desituationism that includes reality as a reality.
But dialectic superheroism suggests that culture serves to entrench outmoded, elitist perceptions of capeshit. Terrio uses the term ‘neomaterial desituationism’ to denote a self-supporting totality.
>>70391563
to be fair, TDKR was closer to "stunningly flawed."
>>70391475
>female empowerment is bad
aww baby mad girls dont want to see his ugly fatbody?
>>70391712
>retarded MCUck troll trying to falseflag attack true kino.
>>70391710
sure, it must still feel so sad for the actor of fans of the character to know that this franchise will never be as big as the Batman franchise kek
>>70391767
Why is it good?
>>70391809
Sure thing sweetie
>>70391767
hey are you the person i'm replying to here >>70391475
>>70391881
>Oscars: 0
>>70390630
WB. It's always been WB, and don't let anyone tell you different. I'm still not sure how Nolan films came out so good, when other than his contributions, it has been an unbroken stream of shit. there's no reason a Green Lantern movie had to be bad. Jonah Hex has had some pretty good comics. But in WB's inept hands, they were completely fumbled.
So don't any of you go telling yourselves that it's all Snyder, and that "Based Ayer" is somehow going to save us. WB has kept Snyder around despite his constant misfires. Ayer can't save DC movies from a structure that does that.
>>70391910
>/pol/ cross posting aussie pleb
actually nevermind
don't even bother replying you pretend /tv/ poster
>>70391917
>nu-DC impact on film and pop culture: poor
>>70391976
>implying
>>70391712
The main theme of Snyder's "Batman v Superman" on spiritual dematerialism is not eschatological, but a phenomenological ontology. Thus he implies that we have to choose between predialectic construction and deconstructivist neodialectic theory, essentially Heideggerian as seen in the concept of Dasein. The subject is interpolated then into a cinematic dematerialism that includes spirituality as a whole. But if the Kierkegaardian worldview holds, we have to choose between the cultural paradigm of expression and atomism. In Snyder's own "Man of Steel" he has a character say that "the world's too big”. Inherent in this is how the function of Lebenswelt (cinematically translated by Snyder as "world of life") operates in all his films, chiefly in "Sucker Punch" and "300". We see a phenomenological approach to the world showing a cinematic logic that presupposes a structural constraint in rootedness, another intentionality central to his filmography and philosophy. Because "metaphysical comfort" is not an object of temporality per se, but rather an aspect of automatic condition, as suggested by Cavell. Hermeneutic interpretations are also apparent in his post-"Watchmen" movies; in fact the interchangeable subjectivities are but another representation of Husserl's and Wittgenstein's "form of life". As his academic hero Heidegger succintly noted, "freedom is the ‘abyss’ of Dasein, its groundless or absent ground". This is essentially the thesis operating in Snyder's films.
>>70391230
>which has conditioned you into accepting the absolute lowest common denominator standards in filmmaking, writing and cinematography as somehow acceptable, when you should in fact feel nothing but contempt or disgust for any Kevin Feige-conceived product.
And yet DC films fall consistently below that. This pasta is going bad, throw it out.
>>70390630
>it's 2deep4him
>>70392020
Pepe is a Marvelbro, stop disrespecting him
>marvel vs DC still exists
>not enjoying both
You must be 12 if you have this mentality. Besides most of you faggots don't even read comics.
>responding seriously to this epic bait
>>70392086
out of Evans pictures i see, what a terrible fanboy you are
>>70392131
fuck off back to /sp/ child porn spammer
>>70392086
you can keep him
>>70392175
I post whatever I want
Stay Mad
>>70392219
>posting a muh paid critics pic instead of the Pepe one you thought it was
dumb fredposter
>>70392242
>gets told that his favorite characters franchise is shit and spergs out because of it
>tells others not to get mad
Reminder
>marvelfags argue just to piss off DCucks
>DCucks argue just to piss of Marvelfags
Literally none of you like these movies enough to really argue about which one is better right?
![14552993820996[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/M5hVF9f.jpg "14552993820996[1].jpg")
*tips fedora while stepping out of the shadows*
The pitiful peons at Marvel have underestimated the power of DC one time too many. The "Marvel Cinematic Universe". Huh. A shoddily shot, messily put together series of soulless and artless wastes of celluloid designed to appeal to the base intellects of moronic manchildren still dreaming of becoming powerful as they waste their lives away masterbating to images of Black Widow.
Only a fool and a weakling of mind could gain satisfaction from watching poorly animated CGI trade weightless and impactless punches while trading quips a severely mentally retarded Thai ladyboy would find beneath him/her.
DC understand cinéma. They understand kino. DC know how to build shade and light in a performance, how to engage the minds of true enlightened souls. DC have redefined not just superhero films, but the entire film industry itself.
Mentally challenged Marvel fanboys can only begin to grasp the tectonic shift in filmmaking that has been unleashed. Critics and reviewers fail to recognize a movie far ahead of its time once again, crying on their blogs about lack of snark and quipping - failing to recognize a literal masterpiece as it unfolds before them.
The public have responded. The entire filmmaking industry has been shaken to its core. DC have changed the game utterly - a new landscape is carved, a beauty is born, a God walks among men.
*teleports away*
>>70390699
Watching Watchmen with my fundamentalist christian parents was a huge fucking mistake.
>>70390699
That's not being good, his own scenes were awful (the Cohen sex scene, muh epic fights, the hamfisted Strangelove me-too scenes).
Someone cared enough about this company war meme that they made a fucking graphic for it. You dumb memers finally did it. How do you feel?
>>70393010
>This damage control
>>70390756
BB and TDK are top tier, TDKR is dumpster tier
>>70391006
Kek. No true aspergers wouldn't like BvS.
>>70390699
he even managed to turn that into style over substance and the style was still shit.
>>70390630
Why are Marvel movies so forgettable?
Because Marvel movies already panders to the lowest common denominator's sense of fun so well that if they want to make something good but different, they have to be more ambitious. Thus, they are more likely to make mistakes, and with someone like Snyder at the helm it's no wonder there's a lot of dumb decisions.
Most people can do a damn good barbecue, but put another guy of equal talent in a fine cuisine kitchen and he'll most likely drop the ball many times. Doesn't mean that barbecue is the ultimate form of cuisine.
>>70394102
Fuck, did I subconciously try to bring back Frankposting with that last line?
Nevermind
>>70394022
Becasue most of them follow a pattern, a formula, that despite it works, makes them bland and predictable.
The only movies that are better, are those where directors had a bit more of freedom to make and picture their own vision (IM1 - Favreau, GotG - Gunn, Avengers 1 -Whedon, Antman - Reed and Cap 2 -Russos), however after the first succes, Marvel usually finds a way to take back the helm and control the production of the following movies, that's why IM2, Avengers 2 and CW used the same formula and seem like a "worse quality" than their prequels, because Marvel executives stick their hands on them instead of letting directors do what they want.
I didn't like BvS, but still better than critics claimed, and I still respect Snyder standing up and defending his work, but at the same time BvS is exactly the disaster that Marvel wanted to avoid, a movie so self-centered and so engulfed in its own director's vision, that won't let other movies stick to them, that won't let all movies stick together and have a constant, a immersive "cinematic universe" experience.
>>70394322
I'd much rather live in a world were the DCEU is letting the people making their movies have freedom, even if it means turds.If you watch the interviews for Suicide Squad and why some actors took the role you'll find it has it's own direction and message apart from Snyder, which is why it looks so different. I like it for that reason though
>>70390792
>Jon Favreau
>nu-male
I don't think you know what that word means
>DC movies
>bad
>>70390699
What's impressive about the Watchmen movie is that Snyder managed to turn a story about the ridiculousness of archetypical superheroes into an archetypical superhero movie.
He literally made the film the comic was ridiculing. That's not just obliviousness of the source material, it's an egregious and wanton inversion of a clever and unique theme.
