Is this the worst film ever made? This along with "film socialisme" make my blood boil with rage. Can't fucking stand the French
>>70349011
>Can't fucking stand the French
fist of all pleb, the director is austrian
and cache is one of his best movies.
you must be a dumb burger, or some east euro shit state.
>>70349283
If cache is one of his best movies i can't imagine how talentless this guy is
Cache is just a gimmick. By far his worst film.
Watch The Seventh Continent or The White Ribbon next.
>>70350872
>Haneke talentless
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! mate, it's okay to dislike his films due to having differing sensibilities, but calling him talentless is kin to calling Kubrick or Scorsese talentless. it says more about you than Haneke.
>>70350962
He's a second-rate filmmaker. A dull message-man.
>>70350914
Seventh Continent is great, especially if you watch it without any previous knowledge of the story.
Pianist is also pretty disturbing and beautifully shot.
Funny Games is the one to watch if you are more into conventional thrills.
>>70350914
>The White Ribbon
You mean that film that blames the rise of fascism on middle class European protestantism? LOL
Haneke is a straight up anti-European cuck.
>>70351045
>facepalm
It doesnt even matter what I think of heneke at this point cause your buzzword usage is simply cringeworthy.
>>70350962
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>>70351124
>LOL
Calm down, Joker.
>>70351124
I think its more along the lines of:
If you make very detailed and harsh rules dont be surprised when people find ways to break them in secret and resent you and all you stand for.
I dont think we need to go back to German protestantism to be able to at least partially agree with such a sentiment.
>>70349011
I'm with you OP. None of the characters were acting logically. Why was his wife getting increasing hostile with her husband about the cassette tape that both of them couldn't explain? She seemed suspicious almost immediately. And the white ribbon was an exercise of misery for the sake of misery
>>70351124
>missing the point of The White Ribbon this much
>>70351324
That's the only point of The White Ribbon. Everyone who talks about it mentions the connection to the rise of fascism. It's Haneke's moronic attempt at psychoanalyzing the Holocaust.
>>70351215
Yeah, see, if you spank your kids they'll grow into monsters, right? Well, we're just starting to see the rise of a generation where most kids weren't spanked, and it's not looking so hot either. So what's the explanation Haneke has to offer for that? I'm sure he'll find a way to still impugn the middle class for it.
>>70351468
No, not right.
Spanking does not necessarily mean very harsh rules, its just a harsher punishment.
One could claim the this sort of exaggeration, as you are guilty of in your post, is exactly the problem while the solution is not absence of rules and punishment but rather some middle road that is particular, after we have intelligently weighed all the different parameters instead of making sweeping generalizations idealizations and exaggerations.
>>70351468
It's perfectly fine to spank your children now and then, but if you overdo it, if you "discipline" them too much, for the most miniscule incidents, your going too fuck them up, especially if this happens at a very early age.Your going to turn them into close-minded fucks that are ripe for being taken advantage by a dictator regime, any dictator regime.
That's the point of The White Ribbon you missed retard
The point which you missed because you cant form an independent thought to save your life
>>70351257
how is being suspicious of someone filming you acting illogically? she was having an affair and her feelings of guilt and paranoia were in full swing; hence, her hostility.
also, your assessment of White Ribbon is quite underwhelming. it's a fantastic film i would suggest you return to in a few years.
>>70350962
>muh white man is responsible for the inferiority and ineptitude of races that it conquered a hundred years ago
nah, he's a white guilt commie fuck that represents the intellectual dishonesty of most shitty "artistic" french films
meme problems
>>70351104
>Funny Games
>conventional
No.
Seventh Continent isn't based on any 'story'. There's no records of the story it is based on anywhere other than in the film.
>>70349011
i just cannot understand this: how can someone being upset from watching a movie. I mean, it's just that, a movie
>Haneke
>french
>>70351215
this
Pretentious hipster bullshit
>>70349011
>I didn't get it, that means it's bad.
Remove yourself from the gene pool.
>>70353149
what?
>>70353194
>I get a film's message, therefore it's good
Haneke films are about as hard to get as herpes anyways.
>>70349011
Why is it that americans on this board simply can't into Haneke?
>>70353494
Because we're not masochists who enjoy watching a cuck lecture us about how western civilization is deplorable.
>>70353494
Not enough explosions and quips
>>70352784
>intellectual dishonesty of most shitty "artistic" french films
care to explain this? simply because you disagree with his politics does not make Haneke a bad filmmaker.
>>70353149
You don't really know what either of those words mean, do you
>>70353548
Funny Games is nothing but Haneke blaming the audience for the movie he chose to make. That's on the moral level of a fucking toddler.
>>70353149
>I didn't understand it so I'm going to call it pretentious
>>70353594
>Funny Games is nothing but Haneke blaming the audience for the movie he chose to make.
no,mate. it's challenging the viewer to confront his/her compulsions to watch such movies in the package of such a movie. yes, not his most subtle film, but it's quite well-directed, shot, and acted. it's okay to disagree with the message without completely lambasting the entirety of the film or Haneke's catalog. conflicting thougths and opinions are a sign of intelligence, mate. absolutes and generalizations are kind of not.
>>70350962
This. I wasn't the biggest fan of Caché, but it was clear Haneke is a master of his craft
>>70353794
>no,mate. it's challenging the viewer to confront his/her compulsions to watch such movies in the package of such a movie.
And yet Haneke accepts no responsibility for any of it. He has characters literally pointing the fingers at the audience, saying they're doing things for them that the audience hates to see happen, and meanwhile Haneke claims that if you sit through his movie 'you needed to see it'. I don't know about you, but when I watch horror I empathize with the victims, not the monsters or the murderers, so the accusation fell flat with me.
But that's the root of what's so awful about Haneke: He makes films that exist to indict things. He'll indict his audience, he'll indict western civilization, he'll indict violent movies (other than his own), he'll indict white people in Europe everywhere (other than himself). We live in an age of masochism, where anyone who can invent a plausible explanation for how you or your country must really be despicable or culpable in horrible things is exalted. This is the only reason Haneke is exalted.
>>70353494
because no one with any intelligence takes critical theory or Continental philosophy seriously, Haneke is a pseudo intellectual.
>>70353972
This film made be stop watching shit like Saw and other retarded sadistic films.
Based Haneke made me see the light.
>>70351831
How does one reconcile his message with the reality of Great Britain? You know that Protestant countries that also had harsh discipline as part of its child rearing culture in the early 20th century, yet no Fascist regime gained power there. Haneke's message is banal, but worse it does not even stand up to the most basic scrutiny.
Ah, the French
>>70354146
It seems to me like you just substituted one kind of torture porn with another and are pretending you're now enlightened.
>>70353972
criticism is not indictment, mate. while i find some of his messages to be pedantic, they do not stop me from enjoying the films. what do you mean by accepting responsibility? he's a filmmaker who posits stimulating questions in his art. i think you're equivocating here.matter of fact, i read a whole lot of equivocation and generalizations in your response. in my point of view, the only responsibility an artist has is to produce a compelling piece of work. he succeeds in this.
anyways, i'm out of here. work calls. nice debating with you.
>>70351045
>dull message-man
Must be summer
>keep the messages out of my movies, entertain me
>>70354330
>criticism is not indictment
in the case of a hack like Haneke it is, granted it is impotent because only a cuck would take him seriously
>>70354370
I have no problem with messages, but they have to backed up by some form of argument (narrative in this case) and map-able to empirically reality. Haneke's is unable to do either of these things, anyone takes in his 'messages' is likely retarded.
>>70354370
>I'd like my kino in essay form thank you sir, entertainment is a falsity of the pre-pubescent brain
>>70353541
and yet you fags are into blacked cuck porn, bravo.
>>70353541
From the way you're writing, you probably throw "sjw" around on this site a lot. Well, you sound exactly like the type of people that don't want any "mansplaining" or criticisms of their dear values. Learn to deal with criticisms or stay a man-child forever
>>70353541
ah, so you'd rather watch propaganda films that tell you everything's okay in western civilization instead of nuanced films with substance that challenge your view of modern society? gotcha.
>>70349011
8/10 bait i thought this was pretty poor but then u called haneke french and that was pretty good
>>70354956
>Haneke
>nuanced
>substance
>challenging
>>70354953
I am dealing with criticism by criticizing it.
>>70354953
Unlike you cucks who just rollover and accept criticism, some of us have standards when it comes to criticism. We require measured arguments, carefully weighed evidence, and solid logic for criticism to be persuasive. Haneke is a complete failure when it comes to being persuasive to anyone capable of critical thought.
>>70355052
Instead of simply reposting words, why not contain a little blurb under each line of green text explaining how Haneke doesn't fit each bill. Bare in mind that "challenging" has at least two definitions.
>>70353972
I think you're paying too much attention to the ideology behind his movies, anon. I like Haneke because he delivers the kind of hateful, violent catharsis few filmmakers are able to achieve (Trier being a good example), but I don't really pay much attention to the subtexts and I also don't think they are a big part of what makes his movies exceptional.
>All they do is fight and bicker at eachother throughout the whole movies while her brain slowly degenerates
>He even fuckingkills herto shut her up
But yeah it's about LOVE right? The scenes of him reminiscing being juxtaposed against their miserable present lives just gave the impression that she was a giant burden on him. Not once did it feel like he was still in love with her.
>>70351468
The White Ribbon is basically about the breakdown of the German order of life before WW1 starts. Mysterious person or persons basically ruining the Baron's order where he and his family run the town. The film hints that the children were the ones doing all of this. Its open ended but its a display of the falling ruling class at turn of the century.
>>70355401
>missing the point this hard
there's no way your iq is higher than 90
>>70355491
Explain it to me then mr. Einstein
>>70355440
Yes, I've already seen it, you don't have to remind me of the plot. The point is that those kids would grow up to be Nazis, and were created by their community of abusive, sadistic authority figures in the form of middle class protestants.
Why does Haneke trigger /tv/ so hard? I basically never see posts about him except for worst director threads and butthurt threads like this one.
>>70355630
Not the guy you're arguing with, but do you happen to have autism? Serious question.
>>70355689
this isn't /tv/, people in general are very triggered by haneke. i know a few dudes who go to film school, they all seem to hate him. I also showed funny games and amour to some friends that are into movies, they also had strong feelings for him. his movies are very controversial
I went to film school and i can confirm its pretty bad
>>70355299
>nuance
Haneke has no nuance in his morality, he lives in a black and white world. The result of this black and white morality is why his films are so absurd.
>substance
Substance requires the film maker to be able to carry the themes and messages of the film via narrative, characters, and language. Every Haneke film is filled with moronic and ridiculous plots, idiotic caricatures, and banal dialogue.
>challenging
Haneke's pathologizing of benign and normal behavior is not challenging, only annoying and patronizing. Real challenge is more than provocative, it is truthful on an empiric level.
>>70355783
Yeah, but he's extremely respected by both other filmmakers and critics. On /tv/ it seems like he's either completely ignored, or it's a rare hate thread.
>>70355401
As someone who has witnessed a similar situation to the one in this film unfold in real life, it was pretty realistic. It's less a film about 'love' and more about obligation.
>>70355804
I went to film school and i can confirm its pretty good
>>70355804
>>70355909
I went to film and can confirm that its ok
>>70355895
Haneke is a shock jock with the sensibilities of an art house auteur. His films are super divisive by nature.
>>70355630
Well, middle class protestants were the main voters for NSDAP.
>>70355895
Filmmakers and critics are almost exclusively wealthy white liberals, the target audience for anti-western cuckoldry of the kind Haneke peddles.
>>70353541
When will the meme shitposters leave? Can you formulate a sentence without having to resort tired buzzwords?
>>70355895
of course he's respected, the guy is one of the few that won cannes two times. that doesn't mean people like his movies. check metacritic, I think only amour - imo, his most accessible movie - has received universal acclaim
>>70356020
buzzword is a buzzword
>>70355954
In the United States? In Canada? In Great Britain?
It's kind of amazing how myopic and retarded people will become to justify Haneke's pathetic arguments.
>>70354171
Its a matter of degree you perfect imbecile.
>>70356132
>a matter of degree in a Haceke film
>>70356121
And calling someone or something a cuck is surely an intelligent thought provoking thing to do say and do
>>70356123
In Germany. Read something about Sonderweg, even the Germans think (or thought) they were special.
I never knew Haneke was so controversial....
>>70356251
It's an insult, don't pretend to be retarded
Why does it bother you? Is it hitting too close to home?
>>70356123
Pretty sure the film is a hypothesis on what contributed to the rise of fascism in Germany, but it is not saying "this is the SOLE reason."
Your rebuttal saying "Protestants are everywhere, why didnt they have fascist leaders too?" is pretty retarded. Obviously the popularity of Hitler was because of tons of different factors.
>>70356303
>>70356622
It's not a very good explanation if it existed in plenty of other nations and nothing like the Holocaust came of it, is it? Would you buy this cartoonish portrayal of adult sadism towards children if it were English or American?
It's interesting how easy it is to get recognition as a deep think when you set out to impugn western society. The more openly you loathe it, the 'braver' you're considered.
seems tome a lot of posters here disregard Haneke simply because they disagree with his dialectic or his politics instead of focusing on the films themselves. reaching the conclusion that they dislike the filmmaker's message they work backwards to justify their position grasping at straws. however, their opinion is their opinion and should be regarded before discarded.
however, positing that there are no nuanced portrayals in his films, that they lack substance, and do not challenge the general film audiences is not a position come to by reason but more by snobbery.
>>70356323
It just shits up the board to say cuck over and over again instead of having you know an actual discussion.
>>70356793
Not the other guy(s), but the movie is not as much about explaining the rise of Hitler as it is about how evil can arise in general. It uses this setting because it works.
>>70356884
>It just shits up the board to say [insert applicable swear word here] over and over again instead of having you know an actual discussion.
>>70356793
What kind of movies do you like?
>>70356793
mate, you've widened the goal posts several times, have equivocated like a motherfucker, and continue to criticize aspects of Haneke that are of no consequence to his filmmaking. yeah, i'm done regarding your posts as anything but the continued ramblings of a person who refuses to consider or tolerate anyone else's opinion.
>>70356861
seems tome a lot of posters here regard Haneke simply because they agree with his dialectic or his politics instead of focusing on the films themselves. reaching the conclusion that they like the filmmaker's message they work backwards to justify their position grasping at straws. however, their opinion is their opinion and should be regarded before discarded.
however, positing that there are nuanced portrayals in his films, that they have substance, and challenge the general film audiences is not a position come to by reason but more by snobbery.
>>70357039
I like films that look at history without presuming to be above it, without coming from a place of moral snobbery on par with a fire and brimstone Baptist sermon.
cache was good. also
>they didn't notice the black guy in the end
>>70356941
Yeah and that guys disagreeing with the idea that it's how evil arises, because that same environment existed in other places and no fascist dictatorship came of it
>>70357127
What are you talking about? I'm tolerating your opinion by virtue of the fact that I'm here responding to it. I'm not keeping you from saying anything, I just think you're wrong, and am responding as such.
>>70357191
how intellectually inferior or contrarian do you have to be to fail to acknowledge that similar variables in different places/environments do not produce the same effect? mate, you're reaching or stubbornly refuse to consider someone else may have a sound argument.
also, as mentioned before, i like his films because they tackle issues of substance with nuances performances, even if i disagree with some of his conclusions. so you're little trick here >>70357135 (if it was you who did it) is a bit dry.
>>70357390
You could indict any aspect of German society going far enough back if you really wanted to. That doesn't make it convincing in the slightest, and Haneke most certainly has motives for choosing the target that he did.
And if you think his portrayal of that village full of cruel sadists is 'nuanced', well then... I don't think you and I share any similar notions of how filmmaking works at all.
>>70357390
I'm not him or the other person you quoted, but if the hypothesis is there's a correlation between strict upbringings and fascists yet in the majority of other cases that did not occur, your hypothesis was wrong. Especially since fascism has taken root in wildly different cultures usually with only desperation as their common factor.
>>70357574
Not the entire village consisted of cruel sadists. Haneke also doesn't imply that this is what everybody was like. It just tells a very specific story in a very specific setting as a metaphor for the general role evil plays in human societies.
>>70357741
Have you seen the movie?
>>70357741
>if the hypothesis is there's a correlation between strict upbringings and fascists
That's not what the film is about.
>France still watches movies from Godard
>They still give him accolades and praise
The French and self serving pedantic hipsters.
>>70358247
The funny thing is that barely anyone in France even watches Godard's shit or Cannes bait.
>>70356861
A film is inherently worthless if it tries to convey a didactic message which is so often the case in films of haneke's ilk. It is even more worthless when the message it conveys is a bad one that dismisses Western values and white cultures especially when his films serve as vectors for conveying his cancerous libcuck agenda
>>70359141
no, mate. a film is not inherently worthless if it contains a moral or a message. if that were the case, every Kubrick, Scorsese, and Malick movie would be worthless.
this is my final post and i'll leave with this. simply because a work of art does not conform to your politics or world view, it does not diminish the quality of the work. it's a rather myopic criticism to hold art, or films, in that regard.
anyways, cheers.
>>70360253
Man, all those messages in 2001. I could feel Kubrick's moral judgement pouring out of every frame, am I right?
>>70349011
I liked the White Ribbon
but it genuinely feels like the media/critics that promote european films to the front do through a lens of "how does it a)disgusting b)self-hating c)defyies burgeois values"
it can be the most Adam Sandler tier comedy but if it's about a french racist whose daughters marry a black guy, a muslim and a jew then you'll hear about it
>the village of this thread
>>70351124
>protestantism
>european
well meme'd
>>70354171
Yeah, it feels like it has no emotions of its own a lot of the time, like it's written with the thought "how is this matching the views of The Authoritarian Personality" or whatever flaky post 68 leftism diluted into mainstream (while still keeping weirdly dehumanizing things that's worse than any fascist work). It's the sort of stupid little european shit that makes you appreciate american schlock that isnt dickless
Though I think white ribbon does that less to some extent. It has some nice bits of its own, the cute relationship between the blondie and the nerd, the sister making up the dream so she can find a loophole to confess etc. It isn't that rigid (though out of nowhere you have the EVIL MOLESTING PATRIARCH WITH HIS HYPOCRITICAL DISCIPLINE blabalbla)
>>70353541
then go watch Left behind with Nicolas Cage. It's a great film for you
