Post your opinions on the 80s and 90s Godzilla films. Are they the best of the series? Or were they simply lazy cash-ins? What went wrong? What went right? Explain.
The poster art was GOAT.
>>70286384
you start pls op
I got a torrent and downloaded a few cool sounding titles already but haven't checked any yet, have only seen the american ones
Godzilla vs Biollante is basically the perfect Godzilla movie. It has Godzilla being a huge threat to Japan, a cool fucking monster to fight, badass military weapons and schemes to stop Godzilla, an environmental message, psychic shit, and a kickass soundtrack with Ifukube themes.
>>70286384
They were okay.
Creatively they peaked with their first 2, the moment they made them year by year they had to compromise a lot of things, making godzilla 100 meters didn't help. The only one I can say I really disliked was Mothra 1992, that was pretty bad
Overall my least favorite of the 3 series, but alright
>>70286418
Needs 1985
>>70286508
So stoked that this is finally coming to blu ray this year.
>tfw Godzilla 1985 Blu-Ray announced
>>70286527
RoG is. 1985 is forever locked in legal limbo sadly so based Burr scenes and Dr. Pepper will never see release.
85 was the best by far. They're all great though
>>70286640
Yeah, well that's ok with me.
>>70286484
Interesting you say that. Godzilla vs. Biollante is beloved now, though it under-performed back when it was first released. IMO, it's one of the most ambitious films in the franchise. And it's like Toho lost all ambition over the next several films. You can literally see the decline in effects and general effort as the films went on. Plus, it's not hard to find things done better in the Showa films (ex: Mothra). Gamera films of the same period, made with far less money, are better in almost every way.
>>70286384
Honestly, they are all my least favorite.
Most of them are paced poorly and the kaiju fights are nothing but beam spam with no melee combat.
I got these ready to watch in chronological order:
Terror of Mechagodzilla 1977, Biollante 1990, vs Mechagodzilla 2 1993
vs Megaguirus 2000, Giant Monsters All-Out Attack 2001, Tokyo SOS 2003, Final Wars 2004
any thoughts on what to watch first, what to expect?
>>70286907
forgot vs mechagodzilla 1974
>>70286907
You should probably stick in godzilla vs Mechagodzilla 1974 and godzilla x Mechagodzilla considering 2 of those movies are direct sequels to these
Overall not bad. You can find most on KissAsian
>>70286907
Megaguirus is the worst out of all of those, but you'll have to judge for yourself.
>>70286907
All good imo, like >>70286931
>>70286949 said, you're basically missing 2 key ones. Imo Mechagodzilla 2 is the weakest of the bunch
>>70286949
>>70287014
>>70286984
right forgot to mention 1974 mechagodzilla one, and getting x mechagodzilla, tnx lads
>>70286702
SFX director literally became an alcoholic after Biollante which affected quality. Also movies were pumped out to sell toys. Execs didn't care about the quality of the films as long as toys could be made.
>>70286418
My personal favorite since its the series i grew up with. Godzilla vs Biolante/King Ghidora/Destroyah are fucking goat
Space Godzilla was awful
>>70286384
Best: 1984 and Biollante
Underrated (at least in comparison to the others): Mechagodzilla and SpaceG
Worst: Mothra 1992
And fuck the Mothra trilogy
>>70286384
Heisei era is the best era, especially if you count the comics and Godzilla was very popular until G98
1 - Godzilla vs King Ghidorah
2- Godzilla vs Destroyah
3 - Return of Godzilla
4 - Godzilla vs Spacegodzilla
5 - Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla 2
6 - Godzilla vs Biollante
7 - Godzilla vs Mothra
GvsSG is a guilty pleasure and Godzilla vs Biollante was boring to me, I mean there's a lot of good scenes and all, but the final fight was anti climatic as fuck, still the best Godzilla design ever
>>70286384
Too immobile compared to Showa. Just two monsters shooting beams at each other on opposite sides of the screen gets monotonous.
>>70286907
Start with GMK or GFW
then the movie from the Heisei series, Biollante first, then Terror of MG
You can skip Megaguirus and Tokyo SOS, they're not that great
>>70286907
>what to expect?
The two first Mechagodzilla ones: 70s cheese with better effects than what was usual for the time. First's focused on action, the other tries its hand at personal drama and darker themes, but it feels odd because, well, it was the 70s. Also, lots and lots and lots of explosions. Fake nipples.
Biollante: what the others said. Highly popular (some say a bit overrated) film, carries some of the faults of the entire Heisei series, like overwrought plots, underwritten and acted characters, pacing issues. Pretty neat effects for their time.
Mechagodzilla II: doesn't try to be deep, can be fun. Probably the least memorable Mechagodzilla, though.
Megaguirus: forgettable, a mishmash of ideas done better elsewhere. Can be fun if you're in the mindset, but it's so goofy at parts that I read the director got rid of the effects supervisor for his next films.
Giant Monsters All-Out Attack: another one of the more popular films, and as usual some think it's overrated. Ambitious, deep, nice effects, but it doesn't reach its full potential and the monster personalities (legit evil Godzilla, good guy Ghidorah) bug some fans.
G X MG and Tokyo SOS: I remember liking the first, but it feels like half a movie because it was planned as a trilogy. Tokyo SOS starts out interestingly but drops the ball less than halfway in and gives up on any semblance of thematic meaning, devolving into a mostly forgettable fight scene. Godzilla is also just kinda there, not much focus on him, doesn't even feel like a character, more like some random animal that pops up and Japan wants to get rid of it. Nice effects at least.
Final Wars: full-on craziness mixed together from various American blockbusters, with kaiju smeared all over them. You either love or loathe it, gotta see it to believe it.
What is your opinion on Tohokingdom ?
Heard they were autists, but no details
>>70286474
This
>>70288445
Worst kaiju fandom area desu
Everyone arguing about how they think their opinion is the best and the worst parts of the fandom in general.
Took one day on there to realize
>>70286418
Godzilla vs Mothra poster is amazing.
>>70288445
Shit mods. I'm pretty sure many of the knowledged older fans have been banned. Tamura and Space Hunter know a bit about the different releases of the films. Chris M is pretty cool though.
>>70288488
Isn't that every fandom?
>>70288747
Yeah, it is. But I'm generally pointing out that that is the main gathering of the worst of the worst
It's like capeshit threads on here, or, almost
>>70288719
There was a guy who worked on Godzilla the series and wrote articles for scifijapan I think, don't know if he's still posting there
>>70286384
I get why fans like them, but most of the films don't do it for me. They're updated and more serious compared to the late-60s, 70s stuff, but still come short. Casts are too big, characters underdeveloped, pacing feels off. Effects, themes and acting are all over the place. Too much ripping off of popular American movies of the time. The entire series feels like it's almost "there", but all the shortcomings pile up, and it ends up being a frustrating letdown. Omori a semi-hack.
G vs MG II is actually my favorite of the era because it tried to be more fun instead of tackling some deep issue in an overwritten manner.
>>70288436
> Fake nipples
Will Anno give us real fanservice?
>>70288840
>Omori a semi-hack.
I semi can see this point
Biollante was just so great for me, but the other movies he wrote seemed to decline steeply. Mothra you really see this because they claim humans did all this but it was the asteroid
>>70288840
Godzilla vs King Ghidorah is heavily inspired by Terminator 2, but it's still the best Heisei
>>70288445
>Heard they were autists, but no details
Then go post this on /m/ because they are obsessed with the site. Or just look up any of their Toho Kingdom hateboner threads in some archive, they go on for several hundred posts.
Anyway, in short, they are aggressively autistic, tend to have a "don't you dare like what I don't like" attitude, and the entire forum just has this uneasy atmosphere. Also, they apparently like to track down users they don't like on other sites and keep bugging them.
>>70288961
4u
Even if I love this scene
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nYT3TdYYHkU
>>70289031
Fucking retards
>>70289054
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYzc3aMI-y4
Love this scene, there's some theory that the guy basically suicide by Godzilla, because he's the one responsible for it, sort of honor kind of thing
>>70288936
Mothra was shit for a lot of reasons. It wasn't even meant to be a Godzilla movie, they just threw him into what was essentially a pre-written script. And all that forced environmentalism and spontaneous philosophizing about the crimes of real-estate development are just fucking embarrassing.
Battra's pretty cool, they should have another go at him.
>>70288391
>>70288436
tnx doodz
>>70289262
I think this movie was supposed to be Mothra vs Bagan
Shame Bagan never fought Godzilla in the Heisei series
What about a continuation of this line of films? Pick up with the adventures of the now adult Godzilla Junior. I always thought it would be cool to see an abandoned Tokyo. Something similar to the setting of Coppelion. Pic related.
Problems with this I see are:
- Picking up an old timeline. Then again, belated sequels are popular now.
- How to make Godzilla an actual threat and tell interesting stories in a universe where MechaGodzilla, Moguera, and Super X-III exist.
>>70289262
>Mothra gets the worst Heisei movies, even her trilogy
>somehow gets God tier monsters like Battra, death Ghidorah, and deghara
>they'll never be used again
will we ever get bagan?
>>70289535
>why didn't you save me, /tv/?
>>70289501
>>70289262
Battra is so badass. I loved him when I was a little kid
damn I really need to rewatch all the old Godzilla movies
Are they up on netflix or anything?
>>70289501
How dare you forget Grand King Ghidorah, aka the best Ghidorah ?
But seriously, Toho made Mothra movies because she's a popular monster among women.
That's also why we get less and less new monsters, because the only movies that were box office hits (or at least, didn't bomb) were the one with popular monsters like Ghidorah
I was happy to have new monsters in G2014, but the MUTO design is really lazy
>>70289574
this guy has truly the potential to be Godzilla arch nemesis
But it wouldn't be the first time they picked an unused concept for a movie, even if he appears in a comic I would be happy
>>70289575
KissAsian.com
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>>70289574
>h-help me /tv/
>>70289666
>please...
>>70289577
> Best Ghidorah
> Doesn't mention original Ghidorah
What?
>>70289766
I had that as a toy
>>70289851
Come on, most of the time he was mind controlled by aliens, like he was their bitch or something
GKG is the fucking reason the dinosaurs went extinct
>>70289851
>original Ghidorah
>not the rainbow-winged Ghidorah from before they painted him gold.
Unrelated, but I spat out a broken tooth piece while reading this thread. Was hoping it'd last longer or break in a more convenient spot. I blame Toho Kingdom.
>>70288445
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>>70290346
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>>70289430
Don't dream anon, Heisei is buried forever
Maybe with comics or video game, but I think there's plenty of new stuff to look forward to, Heisei ending was perfect on it's own
>>70290119
He had that iconic voice like a bell and the most energy compared to other incarnations. And he destroyed all life on Mars/Venus. How can other Ghidorahs compete?
>>70290639
Not getting gang raped by all Godzilla, Anguirus, Gorosaurus and Minya
>>70290639
Never said I didn't like it, but GKG is the best design, period
>>70286418
Always wanted to get these on High QUality Print.
Any ideas where to find them?
>>70290728
Look on ebay, maybe some asia import sites
Or find high res pictures and print them
>>70290654
At least it took multiple monsters to bring him down. Heisei Ghidorahs got beat by both a Godzilla and Mothra fighting on their own. Twice in one movie for the first one. How the mighty have fallen.
>>70290876
>in his first movie it takes 3 monsters to beat him
>by GMK he loses with Mothra
Just
>>70290876
It's more entertaining to have Godzilla and KG in 1vs1
>>70290906
> More entertaining to have Godzilla and KG 1vs1
> Pic related is literally the best fight in the franchise.
Lol, how?
>>70291248
Best fight in the franchise was King Kong vs Godzilla
>>70291248
>Pic related is literally the best fight in the franchise.
That's not Godzilla vs. Titanosaurs and Mechagodzilla.
>>70291248
That's a good fight, but it's no this
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HnDE7bL90Mk
Or this
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=thPymMTVatI
>>70291650
Man I would love to see Titanosaurus again
>>70291752
He has joined Biollante, Battra, Varan, and the other forgotten monsters. May they rest in peace.
>>70291858
Biollante is like SpaceG, very specific origin that is hard to do except if they change everything
Varan is an unknown monster, and they wanted to use it in GMK
Battra can still appears in Mothra material
>>70292150
Well, yeah. I'm sure they're being used somewhere. Some more than others.Had movies in mind when I mentioned being forgotten monsters.
>>70286418
Good lord these are beautiful. Pieces of art.
Will Rodan ever come back? I remember him more in the original than the godzilla movies
>>70293524
That argument and the whole "Man that doctor is crazy with thinking there's a dinosaur underwater!" are the two worst parts of the old MechaGodzilla movies.
>>70293441
Maybe because he looked the best in his debut film? He looked goofy in the early Godzilla films and then either stiff or overdone in the more recent ones.
>>70286418
Jesus they never fail to get my erect
>>70286384
Eh, I think they're probably the most consistent but the Showa period has the Original and it has that campy goofiness that I love.
>>70293953
>>70293980
>>70294006
>>70294036
>>70294074
>>70294115
Will Anno save the kaiju genre? Rumors are Toho wasn't satisfied with the first cut (specifically with the human stuff) and did reshoots. Anno gave us Eva and Gunbuster. Meanwhile, Toho allowed G98 and Final Wars. I'm kind of worried about their meddling. If they hadn't screwed up, Anno wouldn't be writing and directing their film.
>>70286384
Most of them can be summed up with "Good Concept, Bad Execution," really. Others, however, are outright terrible like Spacegodzilla, Spacegodzilla, & Spacegodzilla.
Another common criticism directed towards the Heisei Era would be that it's fights consisted of Godzilla either bumping into his opponents or spamming lights. I still think that style was better than what happened in Early Showa movies, where Godzilla would throw rocks at his opponents as his primary method of combat.
>>70293524
>>70293613
But that ain't right though
They dressed it up as godzilla to make it seem like nothing was up. Their plan was to make it seem like Godzilla did it all so that the humans woudknt wise up to aliens
>>70294197
>Their plan was to make it seem like Godzilla did it all so that the humans woudknt wise up to aliens
This was my interpretation of Mechagodzilla's disguise, as well.
>>70286384
>God tier:
1984 and Biollante
>Underrated/overhated tier:
Mechagodzilla and Spacegodzilla
>Decent tier:
King Ghidorah
>A bit overrated tier:
Destroyah
>oh shit nigga what are you doing tier:
Mothra
>>70294162
>Rumors are Toho wasn't satisfied with the first cut (specifically with the human stuff) and did reshoots.
I'm gonna need some sauce on this. I know /tv/ will beleive anything with the headline "leaks" but I need something more meaty
>>70294154
Pleasant dreams, Godzilla.
Thanks anon, this was comfy as fuck
>>70294154
Sleep tight Godziller
>>70294410
From Scifi-Japan/Monster Zero forums. Normally I wouldn't believe it, but Toho's long period of silence makes this seem plausible. Then again, Anno is involved. He seems to like trolling.
>>70294535
I take it as just ordinary stuff. Japanese studios don't work the same way as American studios. Plus this is a new godzilla, as in launching a new series possibly, I imagine they want as much secrecy as possible
>>70294162
Anno's only good when he's depressed. I liked Nadia and Gunbuster, but Eva and especially EoE blew them out of the water. Now he's rich, married and barring the fact that he will never fuck Ikuhara, he's pretty happy. And happy Anno made the Rebuilds.
I am hoping his Godzilla is good but I'm holding my breath
>>70293524
How about the fact that Godzilla was playing the hero the past few years so that would seem quite out of the ordinary.
>>70294604
Are the rebuilds really that bad? True, they aren't as great as the original series. But they're solid films. The first is an exact copy of the original six episodes. The second is a loose remake of the next several episodes and pretty exciting. But the third was a sort of a misfire.
>>70295773
The first is alright, the second is more or less decent, the third is the biggest piece of shit ever attached to that franchise that isn't Anima.
>>70296195
Everyone has their misfire. And even that misfire made a great deal of money. So, hopefully Resurgence will revitalize the franchise. Maybe we'll get an anime or something. Godzilla has been dead since 2004 (excluding the recent boost by G14) and I'll be glad to have him back.
>>70290441
nice pasta m8
Reminder they did nothing wrong.
>>70298936
Except fail to defeat Godzilla and died. Pretty significant failure there, anon. Also, being parasitic. That'll definitely piss someone off.
